After coming off a Super Bowl win, this has to go down as the worse draft class in my fandom (I’m 36 years). Was this the draft that started the decline of Jerry Reese.
The dude stunk! He only had one good game in his career and fumbled all the time. I hated that pick so much.
Another thing that I and others have to remember is that Wilson had his one and only career game against literally the worst defense of all time. Wasn't it Spags Saints?
set a record for most all purpose yards in a game versus the Saints in 2012?
Apparently he should have been a finished product his rookie year. I really don’t understand the hate. That pick could have led to a more forward thinking rushing attack. Instead we had RBs running like they were stuck in mud for the next 6 years. I guess that was a better option.
504 career rushing yards....100 of which were against the worst D Â
between him not coming in hot out the gates and going to VT, it just isn’t worth my time.
I’d like to think that Wilson would/could have been the first step into having a more modern offense, we’ll never know. But if you are so sure he would have been terrible then alrighty, you win.
It's all moot though because even if he remained healthy, that was the beginning of the offensive line dark age. A guy like him would have gotten obliterated.
was not a good pick. I am not talking about injury but, he was a guy who Coughlin was not going to start because he can't block (so pass pro would always be an issue), he fumbles and was a bit of Jack of all trades master of none. He was not physical. He wasn't overly instinctive and he wasn't the most natural pass catcher. We reached for him there.
Exactly. Most importantly he was never going to be able to execute the protection schemes that would have allowed him to be a regular contributor. Great pick in round 3 or 4.
for its money. Amukamara and a pile of dogshit. 2013 wasn't very good either. you can't whiff on 3 drafts in a row, and 4 out of 5, and expect to remain competitive.
He absolutely didn’t suck. If you want to say we should have drafted a Tackle or Guard at that pick that is 100% fine. He didn’t suck as a player he played really well when he did see the field his rookie season and his second season he played 2 games behind the worst line we have had even in the string of bad lines we have recently had and got hurt and that was the end of his career.
was not a good pick. I am not talking about injury but, he was a guy who Coughlin was not going to start because he can't block (so pass pro would always be an issue), he fumbles and was a bit of Jack of all trades master of none. He was not physical. He wasn't overly instinctive and he wasn't the most natural pass catcher. We reached for him there.
Exactly. Most importantly he was never going to be able to execute the protection schemes that would have allowed him to be a regular contributor. Great pick in round 3 or 4.
Coughlin definitely had a say in that pick so the whole argument is dogshit. Along with most RBs need training on pass blocking in the NFL as rookies.
However, I wonder if his loyalty hurt the franchise. He won two Super Bowls with Snee, Diehl, McKenzie, etc.
I thought Ross was the big culprit and he gradually greatly influenced Reese over time but TC may not have been on board with replacing those linemen, particularly his son in law. One area Bill Belichick stands far about is his ability to move on from players even those he helped him achieve great success.
His time had passed but to leave Reese/Ross was to stay continued the misery.
they were picking last in 2012 when evaluating. People on here praising DG when he inherited the 2nd overall pick, and "earned" the 6th overall pick. Having said that, looks like he may have hit a HR in picking Barkley last year, and Jones this year - IF Jones does indeed pan out. Having just said that, still need competent coaching, something lacking since about 2014.
set a record for most all purpose yards in a game versus the Saints in 2012?
In 21 game she had 1 good game.. everyone remembers that.. how many remember the negatives that coaches care about Pass protection? Ball protection? Overall he had 504 yards in 21 games 42 receiving yards in 15 targets.. and in 121 touches he had 3 fumbles.. Good coaches don't play players like that..
1st round RBs are expected to produce right off the bat.. he couldn't even if he played up to his potential he wasn't worthy of a first round pick..
set a record for most all purpose yards in a game versus the Saints in 2012?
In 21 game she had 1 good game.. everyone remembers that.. how many remember the negatives that coaches care about Pass protection? Ball protection? Overall he had 504 yards in 21 games 42 receiving yards in 15 targets.. and in 121 touches he had 3 fumbles.. Good coaches don't play players like that..
1st round RBs are expected to produce right off the bat.. he couldn't even if he played up to his potential he wasn't worthy of a first round pick..
Giants had Cordy Glenn rated higher than David Wilson IIRC, but wanted a RB.
This was the bigger problem. OL was a definite need and they opted for the "shiny new toy" over a higher-rated player. Glenn would gave started at RT right away and eventually moved to LT when Beatty got hurt.
Yeah, it was a shitty draft. However, look at the entire NFL. Â
There were a lot of shitty drafts and I'm setting the bar for a good draft extremely low (2 good starters). And the list gets shorter when you remove teams for not keeping "good" players beyond their first contract.
We got unlucky with Wilson. And Randle, for all his faults, did have his moments with us and managed quality production for a #2 WR for his short-lived career.
Rounds 3 through 7 weren't good, but you don't often snag big players there.
It's a bad draft, don't get me wrong. But I'm not nauseated by it.
RE: Yeah, it was a shitty draft. However, look at the entire NFL. Â
There were a lot of shitty drafts and I'm setting the bar for a good draft extremely low (2 good starters). And the list gets shorter when you remove teams for not keeping "good" players beyond their first contract.
And really thought they had a shot at Doug Martin (who I still believe was their #1 target). When the Bucs drafted him right before, nothing against David Wilson, but always felt like he was the consolation prize.
They probably thought they were about to be able to draft Doug Martin, but then the Bucs traded up to get him one pick before the Giants.
Wilson would have been a terrific scat back. His quicks were amazing. His 4.4ypc on the league's worst Oline is not too shabby. He was electric on kick off returns.
For the posters who imagine Wilson was picked only because Reese leaked his desire for Martin, WRONG.
Right here on BBI during the 2012 first round, a trusted person emailed Eric From BBI (this site's owner) a note saying that Wilson would be the Giants pick and not Martin.
This person asked Eric not to post that fact until after the draft. Think I'm full of it? Email Eric and ask him for yourself.
was not a good pick. I am not talking about injury but, he was a guy who Coughlin was not going to start because he can't block (so pass pro would always be an issue), he fumbles and was a bit of Jack of all trades master of none. He was not physical. He wasn't overly instinctive and he wasn't the most natural pass catcher. We reached for him there.
This!
alot of people seem to think he was awesome, idk, he was an ok kick off returner and change of pace back imo
was not a good pick. I am not talking about injury but, he was a guy who Coughlin was not going to start because he can't block (so pass pro would always be an issue), he fumbles and was a bit of Jack of all trades master of none. He was not physical. He wasn't overly instinctive and he wasn't the most natural pass catcher. We reached for him there.
This!
alot of people seem to think he was awesome, idk, he was an ok kick off returner and change of pace back imo
Wilson would have been a terrific scat back. His quicks were amazing. His 4.4ypc on the league's worst Oline is not too shabby. He was electric on kick off returns.
For the posters who imagine Wilson was picked only because Reese leaked his desire for Martin, WRONG.
Right here on BBI during the 2012 first round, a trusted person emailed Eric From BBI (this site's owner) a note saying that Wilson would be the Giants pick and not Martin.
This person asked Eric not to post that fact until after the draft. Think I'm full of it? Email Eric and ask him for yourself.
Seriously folks, have a great Giant day!
I hope that trusted person is on the unemployment line with Reese and Mcadoo.
Nicks, Cruz, Snee, Bass, Trrrell Thomas, David Wilson and Tuck all going down with career ending injuries or injuries that left them s shell of their former selves. All in 1-2 year period. And other keys guys, like Osi and Diego, just got old
Nicks, Cruz, Snee, Bass, Trrrell Thomas, David Wilson and Tuck all going down with career ending injuries or injuries that left them s shell of their former selves. All in 1-2 year period. And other keys guys, like Osi and Diego, just got old
Kenny Phillips, Steve Smith, Rich Seubert, hell, even Jonathan Goff. Remember him? Took over the MLB job in 2010, looked pretty good, never played again.
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Nicks, Cruz, Snee, Bass, Trrrell Thomas, David Wilson and Tuck all going down with career ending injuries or injuries that left them s shell of their former selves. All in 1-2 year period. And other keys guys, like Osi and Diego, just got old
Nicks, Cruz, KP, and SS were bad luck. The rest, not so much. Either bad players or had major injury issues in college (hence why they were picked where they were).
Wilson was actually 2nd team All-Pro as a returner and was probably the best kickoff returner I have seen in almost 50 years of watching the Giants. His fumbling was exaggerated. Look up his stats -- he fumbled on national TV so people labeled him a fumbler. Not really.
The Giants kept Mosely and cut McCants. McCants caught on elsewhere and turned out to be a competent NFL lineman. Mosely didn't develop. The choice of which guy to keep and which guy to let go is on the coach.
Nicks, Cruz, Snee, Bass, Trrrell Thomas, David Wilson and Tuck all going down with career ending injuries or injuries that left them s shell of their former selves. All in 1-2 year period. And other keys guys, like Osi and Diego, just got old
Nicks, Cruz, KP, and SS were bad luck. The rest, not so much. Either bad players or had major injury issues in college (hence why they were picked where they were).
The fact that you lumped Tuck is just brilliant. The Giants don't win two SBs without him.
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Nicks, Cruz, Snee, Bass, Trrrell Thomas, David Wilson and Tuck all going down with career ending injuries or injuries that left them s shell of their former selves. All in 1-2 year period. And other keys guys, like Osi and Diego, just got old
Nicks, Cruz, KP, and SS were bad luck. The rest, not so much. Either bad players or had major injury issues in college (hence why they were picked where they were).
The fact that you lumped Tuck is just brilliant. The Giants don't win two SBs without him.
That’s the point. Tuck was arguably the best player on the field in 2011 playoff run and then the shoulder injury wore him down. He was never the same player afterwards.
But Giants kept trying to win one more with that group and it just wasn’t happening because of injuries and aging
I think it was a really understandable mistake. But a mistake nonetheless
RE: Number one factor that contributed to Reese’s downfall Â
That’s the point. Tuck was arguably the best player on the field in 2011 playoff run and then the shoulder injury wore him down. He was never the same player afterwards.
But Giants kept trying to win one more with that group and it just wasn’t happening because of injuries and aging
I think it was a really understandable mistake. But a mistake nonetheless
Wasn't Tuck's serious injury due to a Dallas Oline guy that leg whipped him to stop a sack or am I mixed up with another Giant?
the 2011, 2012 and 2013 draft classes were a complete disaster. Even the players that have stuck in the NFL since those drafts gave the NY Giants so little production.
Nicks, Cruz, Snee, Bass, Trrrell Thomas, David Wilson and Tuck all going down with career ending injuries or injuries that left them s shell of their former selves. All in 1-2 year period. And other keys guys, like Osi and Diego, just got old
Nicks, Cruz, KP, and SS were bad luck. The rest, not so much. Either bad players or had major injury issues in college (hence why they were picked where they were).
The fact that you lumped Tuck is just brilliant. The Giants don't win two SBs without him.
Tuck was a great player but injuries hurt his career. The point is people here lamented bad injury luck for years, but Reese consistently targeted guys in the draft who fell due to injury.
Some of it was bad luck, some of it wasn’t. When you’re going after injured players as value picks, it’s going to catch up to you at some point.
Why do I get the feeling in 2025 fans will still be blaming Reese's drafts for the state of the team.
This is Gettleman's defense through and through with basically all high asset or high resource players. He also chose to move the best offensive player on the team to bolster the defense.
The Giants are not digging out of anything Reese did.
My digging comment was about how those drafting failures Â
resulted in making other poor decisions over the years out of desperate need, which then beget more problems throughout the roster as areas did not get proper attention/resources/depth etc.
Its not hard to see how bad decisions can amplify a deteriorating situation...
And, in my opinion, those ridiculous draft classes of 2011-2013 Â
Another thing that I and others have to remember is that Wilson had his one and only career game against literally the worst defense of all time. Wasn't it Spags Saints?
Apparently he should have been a finished product his rookie year. I really don’t understand the hate. That pick could have led to a more forward thinking rushing attack. Instead we had RBs running like they were stuck in mud for the next 6 years. I guess that was a better option.
I’d like to think that Wilson would/could have been the first step into having a more modern offense, we’ll never know. But if you are so sure he would have been terrible then alrighty, you win.
Exactly. Most importantly he was never going to be able to execute the protection schemes that would have allowed him to be a regular contributor. Great pick in round 3 or 4.
He absolutely didn’t suck. If you want to say we should have drafted a Tackle or Guard at that pick that is 100% fine. He didn’t suck as a player he played really well when he did see the field his rookie season and his second season he played 2 games behind the worst line we have had even in the string of bad lines we have recently had and got hurt and that was the end of his career.
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was not a good pick. I am not talking about injury but, he was a guy who Coughlin was not going to start because he can't block (so pass pro would always be an issue), he fumbles and was a bit of Jack of all trades master of none. He was not physical. He wasn't overly instinctive and he wasn't the most natural pass catcher. We reached for him there.
Exactly. Most importantly he was never going to be able to execute the protection schemes that would have allowed him to be a regular contributor. Great pick in round 3 or 4.
Coughlin definitely had a say in that pick so the whole argument is dogshit. Along with most RBs need training on pass blocking in the NFL as rookies.
I thought Ross was the big culprit and he gradually greatly influenced Reese over time but TC may not have been on board with replacing those linemen, particularly his son in law. One area Bill Belichick stands far about is his ability to move on from players even those he helped him achieve great success.
His time had passed but to leave Reese/Ross was to stay continued the misery.
In 21 game she had 1 good game.. everyone remembers that.. how many remember the negatives that coaches care about Pass protection? Ball protection? Overall he had 504 yards in 21 games 42 receiving yards in 15 targets.. and in 121 touches he had 3 fumbles.. Good coaches don't play players like that..
1st round RBs are expected to produce right off the bat.. he couldn't even if he played up to his potential he wasn't worthy of a first round pick..
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set a record for most all purpose yards in a game versus the Saints in 2012?
In 21 game she had 1 good game.. everyone remembers that.. how many remember the negatives that coaches care about Pass protection? Ball protection? Overall he had 504 yards in 21 games 42 receiving yards in 15 targets.. and in 121 touches he had 3 fumbles.. Good coaches don't play players like that..
1st round RBs are expected to produce right off the bat.. he couldn't even if he played up to his potential he wasn't worthy of a first round pick..
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This was the bigger problem. OL was a definite need and they opted for the "shiny new toy" over a higher-rated player. Glenn would gave started at RT right away and eventually moved to LT when Beatty got hurt.
Rounds 3 through 7 weren't good, but you don't often snag big players there.
It's a bad draft, don't get me wrong. But I'm not nauseated by it.
Also adjust for picking 32nd overall.
They probably thought they were about to be able to draft Doug Martin, but then the Bucs traded up to get him one pick before the Giants.
Terrible pick then terrible pick now.
but on the bright side, Wilson could do 25 consecutive back flips. That could have been some good half time entertainment.
For the posters who imagine Wilson was picked only because Reese leaked his desire for Martin, WRONG.
Right here on BBI during the 2012 first round, a trusted person emailed Eric From BBI (this site's owner) a note saying that Wilson would be the Giants pick and not Martin.
This person asked Eric not to post that fact until after the draft. Think I'm full of it? Email Eric and ask him for yourself.
Seriously folks, have a great Giant day!
This!
alot of people seem to think he was awesome, idk, he was an ok kick off returner and change of pace back imo
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was not a good pick. I am not talking about injury but, he was a guy who Coughlin was not going to start because he can't block (so pass pro would always be an issue), he fumbles and was a bit of Jack of all trades master of none. He was not physical. He wasn't overly instinctive and he wasn't the most natural pass catcher. We reached for him there.
This!
alot of people seem to think he was awesome, idk, he was an ok kick off returner and change of pace back imo
Just "an OK" kick off returner???
Uhh, no.
Yeah, and he was also going to be an Olympic Triple Jumper. In his dreams, maybe.
For the posters who imagine Wilson was picked only because Reese leaked his desire for Martin, WRONG.
Right here on BBI during the 2012 first round, a trusted person emailed Eric From BBI (this site's owner) a note saying that Wilson would be the Giants pick and not Martin.
This person asked Eric not to post that fact until after the draft. Think I'm full of it? Email Eric and ask him for yourself.
Seriously folks, have a great Giant day!
I hope that trusted person is on the unemployment line with Reese and Mcadoo.
I hope that trusted person is on the unemployment line with Reese and Mcadoo.
WTH? Tipping off Eric is a patriotic thing to do. Coach, you are a weird BBI poster.
Nicks, Cruz, Snee, Bass, Trrrell Thomas, David Wilson and Tuck all going down with career ending injuries or injuries that left them s shell of their former selves. All in 1-2 year period. And other keys guys, like Osi and Diego, just got old
Having Eli and Coughlin probably contributed to that decision. After 2011 miracle, another super bowl seemed possible even if you were a 9 win team
Nicks, Cruz, Snee, Bass, Trrrell Thomas, David Wilson and Tuck all going down with career ending injuries or injuries that left them s shell of their former selves. All in 1-2 year period. And other keys guys, like Osi and Diego, just got old
Kenny Phillips, Steve Smith, Rich Seubert, hell, even Jonathan Goff. Remember him? Took over the MLB job in 2010, looked pretty good, never played again.
Nicks, Cruz, Snee, Bass, Trrrell Thomas, David Wilson and Tuck all going down with career ending injuries or injuries that left them s shell of their former selves. All in 1-2 year period. And other keys guys, like Osi and Diego, just got old
Nicks, Cruz, KP, and SS were bad luck. The rest, not so much. Either bad players or had major injury issues in college (hence why they were picked where they were).
The Giants kept Mosely and cut McCants. McCants caught on elsewhere and turned out to be a competent NFL lineman. Mosely didn't develop. The choice of which guy to keep and which guy to let go is on the coach.
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Nicks, Cruz, Snee, Bass, Trrrell Thomas, David Wilson and Tuck all going down with career ending injuries or injuries that left them s shell of their former selves. All in 1-2 year period. And other keys guys, like Osi and Diego, just got old
Nicks, Cruz, KP, and SS were bad luck. The rest, not so much. Either bad players or had major injury issues in college (hence why they were picked where they were).
The fact that you lumped Tuck is just brilliant. The Giants don't win two SBs without him.
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Injuries
Nicks, Cruz, Snee, Bass, Trrrell Thomas, David Wilson and Tuck all going down with career ending injuries or injuries that left them s shell of their former selves. All in 1-2 year period. And other keys guys, like Osi and Diego, just got old
Nicks, Cruz, KP, and SS were bad luck. The rest, not so much. Either bad players or had major injury issues in college (hence why they were picked where they were).
The fact that you lumped Tuck is just brilliant. The Giants don't win two SBs without him.
That’s the point. Tuck was arguably the best player on the field in 2011 playoff run and then the shoulder injury wore him down. He was never the same player afterwards.
But Giants kept trying to win one more with that group and it just wasn’t happening because of injuries and aging
I think it was a really understandable mistake. But a mistake nonetheless
That’s the point. Tuck was arguably the best player on the field in 2011 playoff run and then the shoulder injury wore him down. He was never the same player afterwards.
But Giants kept trying to win one more with that group and it just wasn’t happening because of injuries and aging
I think it was a really understandable mistake. But a mistake nonetheless
Wasn't Tuck's serious injury due to a Dallas Oline guy that leg whipped him to stop a sack or am I mixed up with another Giant?
the only difference is that Eli Manning has morphed from Phil Simms into Dave Brown
I still think we are digging out of that mess...
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Injuries
Nicks, Cruz, Snee, Bass, Trrrell Thomas, David Wilson and Tuck all going down with career ending injuries or injuries that left them s shell of their former selves. All in 1-2 year period. And other keys guys, like Osi and Diego, just got old
Nicks, Cruz, KP, and SS were bad luck. The rest, not so much. Either bad players or had major injury issues in college (hence why they were picked where they were).
The fact that you lumped Tuck is just brilliant. The Giants don't win two SBs without him.
Tuck was a great player but injuries hurt his career. The point is people here lamented bad injury luck for years, but Reese consistently targeted guys in the draft who fell due to injury.
Some of it was bad luck, some of it wasn’t. When you’re going after injured players as value picks, it’s going to catch up to you at some point.
This is Gettleman's defense through and through with basically all high asset or high resource players. He also chose to move the best offensive player on the team to bolster the defense.
The Giants are not digging out of anything Reese did.
Its not hard to see how bad decisions can amplify a deteriorating situation...