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a couple of questions regarding Barkleys play

Dinger : 9/12/2019 11:58 am
I rewatched the game (1st half Tuesday 2nd half last night). We should just be handing Barkley the ball until they stop him 2 plays in a row. Phenominal! But I thought I saw on a couple of plays he missed a blitz pickup. It seemed he waited in the backfield, missed pressure coming from another direction and ran his 'dump off' route. Was I misreading that? Also, with the play action, I felt like he was making no effort at the decoy and if he made slightly more effort you would have had more guys biting. Lastly, why is he banging his head after every time he touches the ball? He can't think he's going to score a touchdown every time he touches the ball. Take it easy on yourself my man. You are the best running back in the league hands down.
Maybe so, but...  
HoustonGiant : 9/12/2019 12:00 pm : link
the OL was lightyears better than last year (pre Jamon) and waaay better than the end of season.

QB pressure was the least of our issues.

I couldnt agree more.  
Dinger : 9/12/2019 12:03 pm : link
Eli was rushed a little on both plays but didnt get sacked. The OL actually has me excited about our offense this year.
Kudos  
gmenatlarge : 9/12/2019 12:47 pm : link
for being able to sit through that disaster again...
Well seriously I had to mute it....Buck and Aikman were horrible  
Dinger : 9/12/2019 12:58 pm : link
And I can usually handle them. But they were spouting a preconcieved narrative the whole game. Its like they wanted the Cowboys to win and declare them the Super Bowl champs all in the first half. How great Dak is, their tremendous OL, Zeke is incredible, Witten is ageless and on and on. I muted them and Fastforwarded through almost every Dallas possesion. And hey then it didn't look so bad. Seriously, I think our offense is a thousand times better than this time last year and the OL and Barkley are going to be exciting.....
I thought the run blocking was great  
USAF NYG Fan : 9/12/2019 1:03 pm : link
but I didn't think the pass blocking was all great. Just mediocre but still improved. Maybe that's just because on the opposite side of the ball, Dak was channel surfing to pick out a receiver.
I did see the fakes being very poorly executed  
Rudy5757 : 9/12/2019 1:05 pm : link
I dont know if thats on Barkley or Eli but a lot of the fake handoffs were not even close so why bother. I didnt notice the blitz pickups. Our biggest issue on O is the play caller, Shurmur tying to show how smart he is by running Eli and Penny in critical situations. Let them at least stop Barkey before you do that.
He was putting alot of pressure on himself  
JonC : 9/12/2019 1:11 pm : link
and got frustrated quickly, perhaps the first snap fumbled knocked him off center.
Yup  
Gman11 : 9/12/2019 1:14 pm : link
Just keep running Barkley 24/7. Then when the other team stops it, the narrative will be why is the offense so predictable.
RE: Yup  
Dinger : 9/12/2019 1:18 pm : link
In comment 14572756 Gman11 said:
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Just keep running Barkley 24/7. Then when the other team stops it, the narrative will be why is the offense so predictable.


I guess you may have a point. kind of like lets put Jones in and watch his mobility in action....until he fumbles the ball. Then it'll be, why did we take out Eli?
They need to use him more  
JonC : 9/12/2019 1:19 pm : link
Shumur's sense of situational football and using personnel needs improvement. Not sure if he loses track or if he's out-thinking himself or ...

That said, they're going to monitor SB's pitch count as the team as currently constructed would be wasting him if he racks up 300+ carries and 400+ touches.
RE: Yup  
WillVAB : 9/12/2019 1:25 pm : link
In comment 14572756 Gman11 said:
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Just keep running Barkley 24/7. Then when the other team stops it, the narrative will be why is the offense so predictable.


Come on man. He had 15 touches all game. He needs to be in the 25 to 30 touch range every game.
RE: I couldnt agree more.  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/12/2019 1:34 pm : link
In comment 14572668 Dinger said:
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Eli was rushed a little on both plays but didnt get sacked. The OL actually has me excited about our offense this year.

SS and CodLat were the two strongest WRs in their respective draft classes. They both benched 20 iirc. Latimer forklifted a defender on the 60 yard SB run.

Of course, Eli rollout 4th and 1 against a hated division rival in a crucial situation.
RE: RE: I couldnt agree more.  
Dinger : 9/12/2019 1:53 pm : link
In comment 14572795 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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In comment 14572668 Dinger said:


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Eli was rushed a little on both plays but didnt get sacked. The OL actually has me excited about our offense this year.


SS and CodLat were the two strongest WRs in their respective draft classes. They both benched 20 iirc. Latimer forklifted a defender on the 60 yard SB run.

Of course, Eli rollout 4th and 1 against a hated division rival in a crucial situation.


For all the crap about how bad our WRs are now that OBeckhams gone, I was impressed with Latimer and that sideline catch by Fowler was decent. Maybe they won't get their own commercials but Eli and Jones have some viable options.
Shumar made the same mistake as the Allman Brothers  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/12/2019 3:25 pm : link
You want Duane Allman shredding throughout the song, you dont want to hear Greg, Dickey, Jaimoe, Butch solo-ing, you get some real lulls. All excellent musicians, but not the otherworldly improv talent Duane was, nobody on the fucking planet is.
RE: RE: Yup  
NYG007 : 9/12/2019 5:01 pm : link
In comment 14572774 WillVAB said:
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Just keep running Barkley 24/7. Then when the other team stops it, the narrative will be why is the offense so predictable.



Come on man. He had 15 touches all game. He needs to be in the 25 to 30 touch range every game.


Which is why we lost. The Defense, of course, but Barkley stopped getting the ball = blowout with our horrible D. The only way we win is extend drives, kill clock, run/pass to Barkley. 15 touches is disgusting.
RE: Yup  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/12/2019 5:06 pm : link
In comment 14572756 Gman11 said:
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Just keep running Barkley 24/7. Then when the other team stops it, the narrative will be why is the offense so predictable.


When the other team stops it, and the Giants coaching doesn't adjust, then your point will hold water.

He's coming off a game where on his second touch of the season he ripped a 59 yard run. And then he got put in the closet for the rest of the game because this coach panicked at 21-7 and went into "shootout" mode.
RE: RE: Yup  
crick n NC : 9/12/2019 5:11 pm : link
In comment 14573153 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Just keep running Barkley 24/7. Then when the other team stops it, the narrative will be why is the offense so predictable.



When the other team stops it, and the Giants coaching doesn't adjust, then your point will hold water.

He's coming off a game where on his second touch of the season he ripped a 59 yard run. And then he got put in the closet for the rest of the game because this coach panicked at 21-7 and went into "shootout" mode.


Panicking can be corrected, isn't he a disciple of Andy Reid? A head coach who has trouble sticking with the run game.
Yeah, he's a Reid guy.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/12/2019 5:17 pm : link
All these thing are why people are justified in being skeptical that this coach is going to be the guy responsible for turning this team around.

The Giants loudly want to be a run the football team. You get that from the GM in word and in action.
You can't be so quick to throw the game plan out the window at the slightest hind of adversity. Passing is not this team's best option. Those days are over. If you're gonna draft a "generational" player at 2, and trade a top 10 impact player in the passing game for the sake of building around a running back, it's simply not acceptable to quit on running the football before halftime of Week 1. just because you're down two scores.
RE: Yeah, he's a Reid guy.  
crick n NC : 9/12/2019 5:26 pm : link
In comment 14573157 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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All these thing are why people are justified in being skeptical that this coach is going to be the guy responsible for turning this team around.

The Giants loudly want to be a run the football team. You get that from the GM in word and in action.
You can't be so quick to throw the game plan out the window at the slightest hind of adversity. Passing is not this team's best option. Those days are over. If you're gonna draft a "generational" player at 2, and trade a top 10 impact player in the passing game for the sake of building around a running back, it's simply not acceptable to quit on running the football before halftime of Week 1. just because you're down two scores.


Yep
Look, he fumbled (albeit reovered), he missed blitz pickups,  
Jimmy Googs : 9/12/2019 5:45 pm : link
he got caught from behind on the long run, didn't turn around to catch Eli's pass that him in the back.

Say it for what it is...he's overrated.
RE: Shumar made the same mistake as the Allman Brothers  
Q v2.0 : 9/12/2019 6:08 pm : link
In comment 14573014 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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You want Duane Allman shredding throughout the song, you dont want to hear Greg, Dickey, Jaimoe, Butch solo-ing, you get some real lulls. All excellent musicians, but not the otherworldly improv talent Duane was, nobody on the fucking planet is.


What just happened here?
RE: Yeah, he's a Reid guy.  
Bluesbreaker : 9/12/2019 7:05 pm : link
In comment 14573157 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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All these thing are why people are justified in being skeptical that this coach is going to be the guy responsible for turning this team around.

The Giants loudly want to be a run the football team. You get that from the GM in word and in action.
You can't be so quick to throw the game plan out the window at the slightest hind of adversity. Passing is not this team's best option. Those days are over. If you're gonna draft a "generational" player at 2, and trade a top 10 impact player in the passing game for the sake of building around a running back, it's simply not acceptable to quit on running the football before halftime of Week 1. just because you're down two scores.


Very good post I don't have confidence in him at all . As far as OBJ goes I think it was the right move have you heard anyone saying we should not have gotten rid of him ?
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