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| Ian Rapoport @RapSheet · 4m #Redskins RB Derrius Guice had surgery to trim a torn meniscus this morning, sources say. He is in Pensacola meeting with Dr. James Andrews, who performed the procedure. Guice is out indefinitely, as the team considers its roster options. |
I'm going to say that won't be the viewpoint many take towards Guice:)
Meniscus injuries are all over the map for severity. If it is a burr they could trim it and have him back next week. If it is a full blown tear and repair, 8 weeks might be optimistic. (About 15 years ago, my meniscus was nearly completely torn in two; I was on crutches for 7 weeks afterward; I expect care has improved since then.)
Thompson is probably the guy to own in that backfield going forward, especially in PPR.
I believe it's the other one, IIRC.
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a bad break for the kid but meniscus is totally and completely recoverable. They are saying 8 weeks. I am surprised as that seems a little long, but when he is back the meniscus will be almost as good as new.
Meniscus injuries are all over the map for severity. If it is a burr they could trim it and have him back next week. If it is a full blown tear and repair, 8 weeks might be optimistic. (About 15 years ago, my meniscus was nearly completely torn in two; I was on crutches for 7 weeks afterward; I expect care has improved since then.)
Depends on severity and also the fact that Andrews like to do his "microfracture" technique (which is bogus) so it takes longer.
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Josh Allen - Ronald Jones II
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Chubb/Quenton Nelson - Lamar Jackson
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in the "all RB's are fungible" debate.
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Josh Allen - Ronald Jones II
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Chubb/Quenton Nelson - Lamar Jackson
Chubb and Lamar Jackson is looking pretty freaking good right about now..
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pick up Peterson
Thompson is probably the guy to own in that backfield going forward, especially in PPR.
I actually drafted him late in a 12 team ppr. Hope you are right
Baltimore traded in front of us to take Lamar. Pretty whacky.
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In comment 14572813 Bill L said:
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in the "all RB's are fungible" debate.
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Josh Allen - Ronald Jones II
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Chubb/Quenton Nelson - Lamar Jackson
Chubb and Lamar Jackson is looking pretty freaking good right about now..
I'm good with Barkley and Jones. Barkley is better than Chubb and Jackson isn't going to face Miami every week.
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in the "all RB's are fungible" debate.
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Josh Allen - Ronald Jones II
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Chubb/Quenton Nelson - Lamar Jackson
Chubb and Lamar Jackson is looking pretty freaking good right about now..
I'm good with Barkley and Jones. Barkley is better than Chubb and Jackson isn't going to face Miami every week.
Chubb is very good. Yes, he's not the athlete Barkley is.. but Chubb does have what it takes to be a top-5 RB for 6/7 years. Yea I dont know about Lamar as well. But let's be clear, he and Daniel Jones are the same age, exactly. Lamar is leagues ahead of Jones right now. He is an amazingly gifted QB who has had NFL success. Seriously, this moment, it's no contest.
There is not a team in the NFL right now that wouldn't trade Barkley and Jones to receive Chubb and Lamar right now. Saying September 2019 is not really an answer. It is a flip dismissal. Admitting that doesn't make you disloyal to the Giants. Nor does it mean you are being disloyal to Barkley. Nor does it mean that you can't feel differently. Right now Barkley is better than Chubb, but Chubb likely has a great future too. And Lamar is on the map, he is performing and he is electric, and he is the same age as Jones. And right now, Jones is basically nothing much. I am hopeful he will be pretty good, but he flat out lacks the athleticism Lamar has.
It's funny while you're waiting for the link to load: you're 98% sure it's Sept 2019, but there's still that .001% chance it's 2006.
you're not impressed by a 22 year old QB that led his team in the playoffs last year and just threw 5TDs in an NFL game? You're pretty tough. Of course BB is going to eat him up. What do you think BB would do to Jones? Right now, it's not close Chubb+Lamar > than Barkley+Jones. Jones right now is a guy that a lot of people didn't like, got overdrafted by the Giants and had an encouraging preseason playing in a very narrow and managed context. Lamar is a starting NFL QB. Period.
I agree he won't ever be CMC, heck CMC won't be CMC much longer. And I am worried, same with Barkley. Chubb can get much better though. He has serious athleticism and has potential to be a top-6 back, He has great burst and speed for a man as big and powerful as he is. He can be a poor man's Zeke imo. That's a great player. And we really don't know enough about Jones yet. But for Jones to start matching Lamaer he needs to be starting in the next 5 weeks. Otherwise this is a total no-brainer.
Because McCaffery hasn't gotten many touches tonight? He hasn't taken a lot of pounding and he rarely takes direct, hard hits.
Because McCaffery hasn't gotten many touches tonight? He hasn't taken a lot of pounding and he rarely takes direct, hard hits.
CMC workload has been ridiculous. He's a little guy. I hope I am wrong.. love the player.
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with his performance. We know he can throw to the middle of the field already. How many throws were there to the sidelines in that game, not any that I can recall. Wake me up when he is able to throw outside the hashes. Do the Pat's plays the Ravens this year? Billy B will eat him up.
you're not impressed by a 22 year old QB that led his team in the playoffs last year and just threw 5TDs in an NFL game? You're pretty tough. Of course BB is going to eat him up. What do you think BB would do to Jones? Right now, it's not close Chubb+Lamar > than Barkley+Jones. Jones right now is a guy that a lot of people didn't like, got overdrafted by the Giants and had an encouraging preseason playing in a very narrow and managed context. Lamar is a starting NFL QB. Period.
That's just your opinion. Wake me up when Lamar Jackson wins some playoff games against a good defense.
What happened in that playoff game vs the Chargers? Under 50% passing, an INT, and 3 fumbles is what happened.
If the Giants traded Barkley and Jones for Lamar and Chubb it would be panned around the league, the Giants would be a laughingstock. There is a HOF-quality player in that deal, only one, and his name is Barkley.
And Jones has more of a chance of being a complete QB than Jackson. And I'm not going to sit here and tell you that I know Jones is a franchise QB. But I do know that Jackson is yet to show he's an accurate passer using the entire field.
He'll produce because you have to respect his speed and that's going to allow him to move the ball. But when his legs go, and they will go, can he win as a passer? From what I've seen the jury is still out. The Miami game was a great game but those Raven receivers were just running free in the middle of the field.
Can he beat a real defense throwing the ball? He hasn't answered that question yet.
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pick up Peterson
Thompson is probably the guy to own in that backfield going forward, especially in PPR.
I actually drafted him late in a 12 team ppr. Hope you are right
Thompson is great when healthy but he’s made of glass. In my opinion Peterson is the guy to own on that team. He’s not going to go wild, but I’d expect a floor of about 8 with an upside of 15-20.
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with his performance. We know he can throw to the middle of the field already. How many throws were there to the sidelines in that game, not any that I can recall. Wake me up when he is able to throw outside the hashes. Do the Pat's plays the Ravens this year? Billy B will eat him up.
you're not impressed by a 22 year old QB that led his team in the playoffs last year and just threw 5TDs in an NFL game? You're pretty tough. Of course BB is going to eat him up. What do you think BB would do to Jones? Right now, it's not close Chubb+Lamar > than Barkley+Jones. Jones right now is a guy that a lot of people didn't like, got overdrafted by the Giants and had an encouraging preseason playing in a very narrow and managed context. Lamar is a starting NFL QB. Period.
That's just your opinion. Wake me up when Lamar Jackson wins some playoff games against a good defense.
What happened in that playoff game vs the Chargers? Under 50% passing, an INT, and 3 fumbles is what happened.
If the Giants traded Barkley and Jones for Lamar and Chubb it would be panned around the league, the Giants would be a laughingstock. There is a HOF-quality player in that deal, only one, and his name is Barkley.
And Jones has more of a chance of being a complete QB than Jackson. And I'm not going to sit here and tell you that I know Jones is a franchise QB. But I do know that Jackson is yet to show he's an accurate passer using the entire field.
He'll produce because you have to respect his speed and that's going to allow him to move the ball. But when his legs go, and they will go, can he win as a passer? From what I've seen the jury is still out. The Miami game was a great game but those Raven receivers were just running free in the middle of the field.
Can he beat a real defense throwing the ball? He hasn't answered that question yet.
The caveats you cite about Lamar are fair. Although he did show excellent ball placement downfield and he looked good in the pocket in this game. But I do not think you are correct about how teams around the league would view that trade. There is plenty of excitement about Lamar in a league that is increasingly looking to these wide open, electric athletes, who run and have giant arms - Mahomes, Watson, Lamar, Kyler. Ignoring the trend isn't going to make it go away. Lamar might be the prototypical passer in this new era.
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with his performance. We know he can throw to the middle of the field already. How many throws were there to the sidelines in that game, not any that I can recall. Wake me up when he is able to throw outside the hashes. Do the Pat's plays the Ravens this year? Billy B will eat him up.
you're not impressed by a 22 year old QB that led his team in the playoffs last year and just threw 5TDs in an NFL game? You're pretty tough. Of course BB is going to eat him up. What do you think BB would do to Jones? Right now, it's not close Chubb+Lamar > than Barkley+Jones. Jones right now is a guy that a lot of people didn't like, got overdrafted by the Giants and had an encouraging preseason playing in a very narrow and managed context. Lamar is a starting NFL QB. Period.
That's just your opinion. Wake me up when Lamar Jackson wins some playoff games against a good defense.
What happened in that playoff game vs the Chargers? Under 50% passing, an INT, and 3 fumbles is what happened.
If the Giants traded Barkley and Jones for Lamar and Chubb it would be panned around the league, the Giants would be a laughingstock. There is a HOF-quality player in that deal, only one, and his name is Barkley.
And Jones has more of a chance of being a complete QB than Jackson. And I'm not going to sit here and tell you that I know Jones is a franchise QB. But I do know that Jackson is yet to show he's an accurate passer using the entire field.
He'll produce because you have to respect his speed and that's going to allow him to move the ball. But when his legs go, and they will go, can he win as a passer? From what I've seen the jury is still out. The Miami game was a great game but those Raven receivers were just running free in the middle of the field.
Can he beat a real defense throwing the ball? He hasn't answered that question yet.
The caveats you cite about Lamar are fair. Although he did show excellent ball placement downfield and he looked good in the pocket in this game. But I do not think you are correct about how teams around the league would view that trade. There is plenty of excitement about Lamar in a league that is increasingly looking to these wide open, electric athletes, who run and have giant arms - Mahomes, Watson, Lamar, Kyler. Ignoring the trend isn't going to make it go away. Lamar might be the prototypical passer in this new era.
Nobody questions the arm talent of Mahomes and Kyler. There were some questions about Watson but he's mostly answered them. The key to all of those guys is they can devastate a team passing the football using the whole field, and you still have to respect their running ability. And while Jones isn't the athlete that any of those guys are, he is a threat to run as well.
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with his performance. We know he can throw to the middle of the field already. How many throws were there to the sidelines in that game, not any that I can recall. Wake me up when he is able to throw outside the hashes. Do the Pat's plays the Ravens this year? Billy B will eat him up.
you're not impressed by a 22 year old QB that led his team in the playoffs last year and just threw 5TDs in an NFL game? You're pretty tough. Of course BB is going to eat him up. What do you think BB would do to Jones? Right now, it's not close Chubb+Lamar > than Barkley+Jones. Jones right now is a guy that a lot of people didn't like, got overdrafted by the Giants and had an encouraging preseason playing in a very narrow and managed context. Lamar is a starting NFL QB. Period.
That's just your opinion. Wake me up when Lamar Jackson wins some playoff games against a good defense.
What happened in that playoff game vs the Chargers? Under 50% passing, an INT, and 3 fumbles is what happened.
If the Giants traded Barkley and Jones for Lamar and Chubb it would be panned around the league, the Giants would be a laughingstock. There is a HOF-quality player in that deal, only one, and his name is Barkley.
And Jones has more of a chance of being a complete QB than Jackson. And I'm not going to sit here and tell you that I know Jones is a franchise QB. But I do know that Jackson is yet to show he's an accurate passer using the entire field.
He'll produce because you have to respect his speed and that's going to allow him to move the ball. But when his legs go, and they will go, can he win as a passer? From what I've seen the jury is still out. The Miami game was a great game but those Raven receivers were just running free in the middle of the field.
Can he beat a real defense throwing the ball? He hasn't answered that question yet.
The caveats you cite about Lamar are fair. Although he did show excellent ball placement downfield and he looked good in the pocket in this game. But I do not think you are correct about how teams around the league would view that trade. There is plenty of excitement about Lamar in a league that is increasingly looking to these wide open, electric athletes, who run and have giant arms - Mahomes, Watson, Lamar, Kyler. Ignoring the trend isn't going to make it go away. Lamar might be the prototypical passer in this new era.
Nobody questions the arm talent of Mahomes and Kyler. There were some questions about Watson but he's mostly answered them. The key to all of those guys is they can devastate a team passing the football using the whole field, and you still have to respect their running ability. And while Jones isn't the athlete that any of those guys are, he is a threat to run as well.
Nobody questioned Watson's arm talent after he arrived in the NFL. He has been electric since his rookie year. Jones does not have anywhere near the arm talent of Mahomes, Watson and probably Kyler. And I think Lamar does flash electric arm strength, much better than Jones, the question is can he develop his accuracy and consistency.
Jones has more arm talent than Lamar. From an arm strength perspective, at the combine Lamar had a velo of 49 mph both left and right. Jones was 53 mph and 54 mph respectively. I've been dubious of Jones's arm strength but there is no way I think Lamar has a stronger arm at this point.
And Jones has far better accuracy and touch than Lamar.
I'm basing that off of the college tape.
It may be that Lamar has improved after one year, but I don't think there is enough evidence to support that yet.
That's just your opinion. Wake me up when Lamar Jackson wins some playoff games against a good defense.
Now go back and take a look at how long it took Eli Manning to accomplish this.
Spoiler: About 3-4 years.
Jones has more arm talent than Lamar. From an arm strength perspective, at the combine Lamar had a velo of 49 mph both left and right. Jones was 53 mph and 54 mph respectively. I've been dubious of Jones's arm strength but there is no way I think Lamar has a stronger arm at this point.
And Jones has far better accuracy and touch than Lamar.
I'm basing that off of the college tape.
It may be that Lamar has improved after one year, but I don't think there is enough evidence to support that yet.
nobody think Jones has plus arm talent. He has shown some nice ball placement in preseason. Lamar has had accuracy issues but he has electric zip on the ball. It is funny you are saying Jones has better arm talent than Lamar. Just comical.
i dpn't care how jacked he is.. he is the smallest of all the top backs..