| Highlighted on Thursday's list are eight first-time candidates: pass rusher John Abraham, linebacker Lance Briggs, returner/receiver Josh Cribbs, running back Maurice Jones-Drew, safety Troy Polamalu, defensive end Justin Smith, wide receiver Reggie Wayne and linebacker Patrick Willis. |
Maybe I just haven't paid attention the past few years, but how does a player like Josh Cribs get HOF consideration? Don't get me wrong, fantastic return specialist, but really? Is the NFL turning into the MLB where they just put a shit ton of names on the ballot? I mean, Shockey is listed as being on the ballot for TE's.
In addition, nothing against Patrick Willis and he was certainly on a HOF career path based on production, but when he retired early, I just didn't view him as a HOFer.
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Who are the DBs you see making it? I don't see any locks outside of Polamalu from this group:
Eric Allen, Steve Atwater, Ronde Barber, LeRoy Butler, Nick Collins, Merton Hanks, Rodney Harrison, Albert Lewis, John Lynch, Terry McDaniel, Tim McDonald, Troy Polamalu, Bob Sanders, Troy Vincent, Darren Woodson
Agree re: strong OL though.
I didn't look at a guy like John Abraham, who was a great defensive lineman, as a guy who is a HOFer.
I always thought the NFL was the best HOF for all of sports and they only let in the absolute best of the best. Maybe just my opinion, but this is turning in to baseball as far as candidates.
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Over 1000 receptions and over 14,000 yards
in regards to the "highlighted" ones mentioned above
Steve Atwater, Ronde Barber, LeRoy Butler, Rodney Harrison, Troy Polamalu, Bob Sanders, Troy Vincent and Darren Woodson.
Heck, you probably could for Hanks and McDonald too.
Your right, looking at his career stats, 1K+ Catches and over 14K career receiving yards is pretty damn good.
I don't know about that. I'd have him as the 3rd WR (at best) on that list behind Bruce and Holt.
Cribbs jumped out at me in a negative way, as in really?? Maybe I just don't know enough about his numbers.
Cribbs jumped out at me in a negative way, as in really?? Maybe I just don't know enough about his numbers.
Same. Troy & Reggie
Cribbs jumped out at me in a negative way, as in really?? Maybe I just don't know enough about his numbers.
Exactly. Take Dante Hall for example who some considered one of if not the best return specialists in the NFL, he had 12 touchdown returns. Not even on the ballot, but Cribbs is?
Steve Atwater, Ronde Barber, LeRoy Butler, Rodney Harrison, Troy Polamalu, Bob Sanders, Troy Vincent and Darren Woodson.
Heck, you probably could for Hanks and McDonald too.
Atwater - agree
I think Tiki has a better case than Ronde. He had a 5 year run (2002-2006) which is up there with the best, but he's hurt by retiring at his peak and the lack of TDs.
Harrison - too dirty for me to vote in! :p
Sanders - way to short a career. He only played 50 games total. He had Polamalu talent though if he ever stayed healthy.
Woodson/Butler - Ok. I think they're borderline but could see the arguments.
Vincent - very good CB, I wouldn't put him in the HOF level though. Way behind the Bailey/Revis/Deion level.
Polamulu is a lock. Reggie Wayne was a really good player with great stats, but to me he just wasn't a hall of famer...
That's because last year's 1st year eligible class included: Ronde, Steve Hutchinson, Ray Lewis, Urlacher, Randy Moss, and Richard Seymour!
Alexander and Jones-Drew should both be (well) behind Tiki.
Polamulu is a lock. Reggie Wayne was a really good player with great stats, but to me he just wasn't a hall of famer...
When I saw Cribbs I thought the same thing!
Troy P is (or should be a lock).
Steve Atwater, Ronde Barber, LeRoy Butler, Rodney Harrison, Troy Polamalu, Bob Sanders, Troy Vincent and Darren Woodson.
Heck, you probably could for Hanks and McDonald too.
You could make a case for Albert Lewis too. He was a Pro Bowler a number of times as a corner on some great KC secondaries and he had a freakish skill of blocking punts and kicks. I think he blocked like 12 punts in his career.
Where's Phil?
Yea, he should be in. Probably gets dinged for playing with Manning/Harrison (and Wayne).
Cribbs...that's just pathetic considering some of the guys who are still waiting.
Polamalu and Wayne should be in, although Wayne was probably never the best receiver in the league in any of his years.
Yea, he should be in. Probably gets dinged for playing with Manning/Harrison (and Wayne).
He had a couple of decent years with the Cards, but looking at his year by year stats, when he played a full season, he was averaging over 1,500 yards rushing a year. That is pretty damn good.
Reggie Wayne was a very good player but HOFer? I don't know if I can say that if Isaac Bruce is still waiting. There's a lot of very good WRs who will be coming up moving forward.
Patrick Willis is a HOFer in my eyes. If Luke Kuechly retired tomorrow, he'd be a HOFer imo. Willis was just as good as Kuechly imo, maybe even better since he was stronger against the run. Longevity matters and maybe it forces Willis to wait some, but he definitely belongs imo.
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Yea, he should be in. Probably gets dinged for playing with Manning/Harrison (and Wayne).
He had a couple of decent years with the Cards, but looking at his year by year stats, when he played a full season, he was averaging over 1,500 yards rushing a year. That is pretty damn good.
And when James retired in 2009, he was 11th on the all time rushing list (now sits 13th).
Being the suspicious type I am, makes me suspect he was a roider, but who knows.
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Where's Phil?
The list is modern era nominees. I think Phil is in the Senior group as he is just outside of the 25 year window.
A guy who made one Pro Bowl is not getting into the HOF, plain and simple.
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Where's Phil?
The list is modern era nominees. I think Phil is in the Senior group as he is just outside of the 25 year window.
Okay. Must be at right at the cutoff because Hostetler is on the list. Wouldn't it be funny if Hoss got in and Phil didn't?