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ron mexico : 9/12/2019 7:42 pm
Gotta take Car -7 here, right?

Winston hasn’t won a road game in two years, I don’t think he breaks that streak tonight.
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RE: RE: RE: Talented corp of receivers for the Bucs...  
AndyMilligan : 9/12/2019 11:55 pm : link
In comment 14573564 bw in dc said:
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I think this team could be good come December.


problem is they have no QB, that's kinda important.



I wouldn't count Winston out yet. Not my cup of tea but there are some plus tools there...

I am kind of done with him. He seems to have too many problems including he does not seem coach-able.
I think Arians didn't challenge because that would have given them a f  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/12/2019 11:56 pm : link
Free time stoppage.
Okay...he stuck his hand in the face mask...  
bw in dc : 9/12/2019 11:57 pm : link
It's not like he grabbed it and yanked.
Arians Saying what we are all thinking  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/12/2019 11:58 pm : link
what the fucknis going on
RE: I think Arians didn't challenge because that would have given them a f  
ChaChing : 9/12/2019 11:58 pm : link
In comment 14573570 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Free time stoppage.

Is that right? Wasn't it just b4 the 2 min? They showed Arians pull the red flag but refs said something to him and it got pocketed. They said b/c it was inside 2 min, but i'm not sure if that was right
I feel like I'm watching the final...  
bw in dc : 9/12/2019 11:59 pm : link
minute on an NBA game.

"How to Kill a Once Great Product"

-- by the NFL Rules Committee
this  
AndyMilligan : 9/12/2019 11:59 pm : link
seems like too many review stoppages.
Refs are winning the game  
ChaChing : 9/13/2019 12:01 am : link
right now
I feel like I should have watched...  
bw in dc : 9/13/2019 12:01 am : link
the other dumpster fire instead - the Democratic Debate. ;)
RE: RE: I think Arians didn't challenge because that would have given them a f  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/13/2019 12:01 am : link
In comment 14573573 ChaChing said:
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Free time stoppage.


Is that right? Wasn't it just b4 the 2 min? They showed Arians pull the red flag but refs said something to him and it got pocketed. They said b/c it was inside 2 min, but i'm not sure if that was right


Yeh it was before but i don't think the clock starts regardless.


Jesus cam
Cam or Olson...  
bw in dc : 9/13/2019 12:03 am : link
here?
Wow  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/13/2019 12:05 am : link
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Wow this should be exciting but is incredibly boring  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/13/2019 12:05 am : link
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That was a great...  
bw in dc : 9/13/2019 12:05 am : link
f-ckin play by the D.
Wow, what a play  
jcn56 : 9/13/2019 12:06 am : link
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RE: That was a great...  
AndyMilligan : 9/13/2019 12:07 am : link
In comment 14573586 bw in dc said:
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f-ckin play by the D.

indeed...
One of the dumbest play calls  
bradshaw44 : 9/13/2019 12:07 am : link
I’ve ever see. Cam can’t lean forward?!
The NFL is lost...  
bw in dc : 9/13/2019 12:07 am : link
...
great D play  
ChaChing : 9/13/2019 12:07 am : link
but a crazy shit on the goaline when Cam leaning fwd, or just giving it to CMC moving fwd vs sideways is likely better & easier

still looks like he's short as they said
This game is a clusterfuck  
Jim in Forest Hills : 9/13/2019 12:07 am : link
Of bad coaching, bad officiating and bad replay.
What a pathetic play call.  
Mr. Bungle : 9/13/2019 12:07 am : link
Maybe Norv Turner can move onto his 11th team...
I loved the direct snap, but why not just let McCaffrey choose a hole  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/13/2019 12:07 am : link
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I feel...  
bw in dc : 9/13/2019 12:08 am : link
a Rifleman like fumble by Winston... ;)
Everyone saying just go forward....the Bucs were living in the Panther  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/13/2019 12:08 am : link
backfield tonight.
The Cam watch is on...  
bw in dc : 9/13/2019 12:10 am : link
He's a shell of his former self...
They no longer have trust in Cam to  
rnargi : 9/13/2019 12:10 am : link
get 18 inches. Incredible.
RE: The Cam watch is on...  
AndyMilligan : 9/13/2019 12:11 am : link
In comment 14573600 bw in dc said:
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He's a shell of his former self...

he gets a whole season to figure it out.. but maybe..
Good news for Panthers, cams contract is up next year  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/13/2019 12:11 am : link
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They drafted Will Grier for a reason,  
Mr. Bungle : 9/13/2019 12:13 am : link
apparently.
RE: Everyone saying just go forward....the Bucs were living in the Panther  
ChaChing : 9/13/2019 12:15 am : link
In comment 14573598 Zeke's Alibi said:
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backfield tonight.

It wasn't an easy call, but if that's the case running sideways is the worst idea IMO

I'm w/ you on the direct snap and let him choose, but that's STILL go fwd more than directly sideways

It's a bit hindsight no doubt but IMO it's like going deep on 3rd & 2. You can, it might work, yet most times an underneath play for 2yds is more often the right call (as often as teams don't)
It happens, but still someone should tell Steve Smith  
ChaChing : 9/13/2019 12:17 am : link
"trickeration" is not a word

Like stratgery. Or symbology
Cam is completely cooked  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/13/2019 12:17 am : link
You gotta love all the preseason hype how he's a top 5 QB because he's healthy now. He has bad accuracy and zero touch.

He's been average at best since the SB year.

He should switch to RB.
I watched the debate  
Sneakers O'toole : 9/13/2019 12:23 am : link
and then switched over to the game after it was done. Somehow the game was more boring.

Great product there NFL. Love what you're doing to the sport.
Completely disagree  
jvm52106 : 9/13/2019 12:23 am : link
with the notion you dont go forward etc.. Cam is 6'4" and 240 ish. All he has to do is get to the line and quick snap a dive down or dive over. Its half a yard..

That trick play 100% relies on frint side defender to give up responsibility and chase the motion man. If he doesnt the play is fucked..

Yes, Newton is done. He made some throws but was complete dogshit on so many others..

Olsen is amazing after all these years and injuries..
ChaChing....that play would have made more sense if they needed  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/13/2019 12:29 am : link
the TD, he gets the corner he is going to score. He'd get second guessed to death tomorrow but the story is going to be Cam. Wouldn't be surprised to see another early QB retirement soon.
RE: It happens, but still someone should tell Steve Smith  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/13/2019 12:30 am : link
In comment 14573608 ChaChing said:
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"trickeration" is not a word

Like stratgery. Or symbology


Trickeration is definitely part of the vernacular now. Expect it to be in Merriam Websters soon.
I'll fight anyone  
Sneakers O'toole : 9/13/2019 12:32 am : link
that says strategery is not a word.
Who’s a better QB right now?  
bw in dc : 9/13/2019 12:35 am : link
Cam or Eli?
RE: Who’s a better QB right now?  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/13/2019 12:40 am : link
In comment 14573617 bw in dc said:
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Cam or Eli?


Honestly thought the same thing watching the game.
Cam didn’t look like a D-1A QB  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/13/2019 12:43 am : link
Let alone an NFL QB.
RE: RE: Who’s a better QB right now?  
bw in dc : 9/13/2019 12:48 am : link
In comment 14573620 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Honestly thought the same thing watching the game.


Eli can’t move and Cam can’t throw...

Take the thrower.
How do you only throw the ball twice  
montanagiant : 9/13/2019 1:44 am : link
To McCaffrey?

RE: The Cam watch is on...  
allstarjim : 9/13/2019 2:03 am : link
In comment 14573600 bw in dc said:
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He's a shell of his former self...


If you saw his postgame presser outfit, you might say "She's a hell of his former self."
RE: RE: The Cam watch is on...  
Les in TO : 9/13/2019 5:54 am : link
In comment 14573636 allstarjim said:
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He's a shell of his former self...



If you saw his postgame presser outfit, you might say "She's a hell of his former self."
he looked like a mashup of my great grandmother stepping off the boat from Poland in the early 1900s crossed with a sad Vegas lounge singer
His should/arm is freaking shot!!!  
nzyme : 9/13/2019 7:29 am : link
Last night was the first time in probably a year since I've actually watched Cam Newton play. It was a stark difference from the player I watched since then.

I'm not sure what the injury was to his should but it's not the same and I think he's done. If Carolina is in the top 10 this year I wouldn't be surprised, luck willing, if they traded into the top 3 for a QB.
RE: RE: Everyone saying just go forward....the Bucs were living in the Panther  
RickInCharlotte : 9/13/2019 7:38 am : link
In comment 14573607 ChaChing said:
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backfield tonight.


It wasn't an easy call, but if that's the case running sideways is the worst idea IMO

I'm w/ you on the direct snap and let him choose, but that's STILL go fwd more than directly sideways

It's a bit hindsight no doubt but IMO it's like going deep on 3rd & 2. You can, it might work, yet most times an underneath play for 2yds is more often the right call (as often as teams don't)


TB's defensive game plan is exactly how teams will attack the Giants. Stuff the middle, blitz, blitz, blitz and stay in man to man coverage. Let the TE beat you. The Giants don't have a vertical threat which is even more challenging. CAR kept CMC in the backfield to pick up the blitz and it effectively took him out of the game. I expect BUF to do the same and TB to replicate the strategy next week. An immobile Cam Newton sure looks like Eli, although Eli is more accurate and has a better O-Line. Can Shurmur game plan better than Norv Turner?
Charlie Weiss on Sirius  
jvm52106 : 9/13/2019 8:17 am : link
just now saod " I don't care what they say or anyone says, Newton isnt healthy, he isnt right. Some of those throws look like he just pushing the ball out there. He isnt right and it doesnt take a brain surgeon to see that"!
RE: Charlie Weiss on Sirius  
GmanND : 9/13/2019 9:14 am : link
In comment 14573725 jvm52106 said:
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just now saod " I don't care what they say or anyone says, Newton isnt healthy, he isnt right. Some of those throws look like he just pushing the ball out there. He isnt right and it doesnt take a brain shoulder surgeon to see that"!
If we loses  
nygnyy274 : 9/13/2019 3:39 pm : link
Sunday we could start 0-3 again. The Bucs have a good defense
RE: RE: The Cam watch is on...  
bw in dc : 9/13/2019 4:36 pm : link
In comment 14573636 allstarjim said:
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He's a shell of his former self...



If you saw his postgame presser outfit, you might say "She's a hell of his former self."



It was quite the contrast at last night's press conference with Cam looking like Boy George but acting very serious and disappointed in his play. How can anyone take him seriously as the leader?
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