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Dolphins give Minkah Fitzpatrick permission to seek trade

Big Rick in FL : 9/12/2019 11:36 pm
According to Chris Mortensen. Depending on the price tag he's a guy the Giants should be interested in. Only 22 years old. He's got 3 years left on his deal plus his 5th year option. Can play Safety & slob CB.
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RE: If you are Fitzpatrick  
arcarsenal : 9/13/2019 9:31 am : link
In comment 14573817 pjcas18 said:
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and you have free reign to see a trade anywhere in the league.

What makes you think he's going to want to go from the worst team in the league to the 2nd or 3rd worst (or 8th or 9th, whatever you think) team in the league?

He's going to do to the Patriots, or the Saints, or the Chiefs or Eagles.

He's not going to push for a trade to the Giants.

the only thing even remotely appealing would be he's from NJ and that only goes so far with the young guys.


Who says he has free reign or controls where he goes?

Beckham was in the league a lot longer than Fitzpatrick has been, had just signed a 2nd deal, and still had zero control over where we sent him.

If they want to trade him, they'll simply take the best offer. He has no say in where he goes.
I didn't read the article  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2019 9:34 am : link
I only read the headline of this post, but when it says to me "Dolphins give Minkah Fitzpatrick permission to seek a trade" that would indicate to me his agent is reaching out to teams he is interested in playing for and gauging interest and I assume the Dolphins provided the agent loose parameters of what a trade would take.

So then in my mind the agent finds a desirable match, brings it back to the Dolphins and then they work it out.

Different from Beckham in that the Giants shopped him, and dealt him squarely on their terms, they did not to my knowledge give Odell permission to seek a trade.

Am I assuming too much from the headline?
RE: If you are Fitzpatrick  
Rudy5757 : 9/13/2019 9:36 am : link
In comment 14573817 pjcas18 said:
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and you have free reign to see a trade anywhere in the league.

What makes you think he's going to want to go from the worst team in the league to the 2nd or 3rd worst (or 8th or 9th, whatever you think) team in the league?

He's going to do to the Patriots, or the Saints, or the Chiefs or Eagles.

He's not going to push for a trade to the Giants.

the only thing even remotely appealing would be he's from NJ and that only goes so far with the young guys.


He can push for whatever team he wants but Miami still makes the decision. Unfortunately with our needs at pass rusher, it doesnt make sense for us to invest a 1st in a CB/Safety when we just invested a bunch in those spots this past draft. We need a pass rusher in the worst way and hopefully our CBs will develop as we had hoped. With Beal hopefully cross your fingers on him, baker, Ballentine and Love we should be OK and keep filling in the rest.
Heís from NJ, of course the Giants will be interested.  
RDJR : 9/13/2019 9:37 am : link
Which, IMO is a good thing. Donít ever give up on talent, especially at 22 years old.
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arcarsenal : 9/13/2019 9:37 am : link
I mean, yeah - I'm sure they will allow his agent to reach out to a few teams that he'd prefer to play for and gauge interest.

But ultimately, if he's available, they're just going to take the best offer. They don't owe Minkah anything - he's a 2nd year player. He might point them in a few different directions, but that's about all the leverage he'd have here.
RE: RE: He's equating Minkah and Mom  
Diver_Down : 9/13/2019 9:44 am : link
In comment 14573819 Big Rick in FL said:
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to Eli Apple and Mom.



That's a huge reach


Really? I don't think DG is eager to have his mom critique the team when it doesn't suit her son's interest.
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RE: RE: He's equating Minkah and Mom  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/13/2019 9:45 am : link
In comment 14573819 Big Rick in FL said:
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to Eli Apple and Mom.



That's a huge reach

Of course it is. It's also total hypocrisy considering one of the players Diver is a huge advocate of has had a parent very present throughout his career. If we were going to avoid all helicopter parents, we'd have needed a new QB a long time ago.
RE: RE: RE: He's equating Minkah and Mom  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/13/2019 9:46 am : link
In comment 14573843 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 14573819 Big Rick in FL said:


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In comment 14573813 JonC said:


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to Eli Apple and Mom.



That's a huge reach



Really? I don't think DG is eager to have his mom critique the team when it doesn't suit her son's interest. Mommy Management - ( New Window )

Really? DG has a problem with parents commenting about the team?

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RE: RE: RE: He's equating Minkah and Mom  
Diver_Down : 9/13/2019 9:47 am : link
In comment 14573847 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 14573819 Big Rick in FL said:


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In comment 14573813 JonC said:


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to Eli Apple and Mom.



That's a huge reach


Of course it is. It's also total hypocrisy considering one of the players Diver is a huge advocate of has had a parent very present throughout his career. If we were going to avoid all helicopter parents, we'd have needed a new QB a long time ago.


I'm not sure Archie is considered on the same level as Annie and Melissa. Does Archie take to twitter to take subtle jabs at the Giants?
GD -  
Diver_Down : 9/13/2019 9:51 am : link
[I'm cutting out the mountain of quotes]

In the article, the only "critique" of the giants is:
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But if he comes back, the Giants have got to win.
Shocking and controversial.

Whereas you have Melissa sounding off on twitter that her son isn't being used right.
RE: RE: RE: RE: He's equating Minkah and Mom  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/13/2019 9:55 am : link
In comment 14573851 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 14573847 Gatorade Dunk said:


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In comment 14573819 Big Rick in FL said:


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In comment 14573813 JonC said:


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to Eli Apple and Mom.



That's a huge reach


Of course it is. It's also total hypocrisy considering one of the players Diver is a huge advocate of has had a parent very present throughout his career. If we were going to avoid all helicopter parents, we'd have needed a new QB a long time ago.



I'm not sure Archie is considered on the same level as Annie and Melissa. Does Archie take to twitter to take subtle jabs at the Giants?

Oh, is Twitter the part that makes it bad? I'm sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you just had a problem with parents of players talking about what management should or should not do or attempting to dictate their offseason strategy through the media.

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But if he comes back, the Giants have got to win. They canít go through another season like this.


RE: GD -  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/13/2019 9:57 am : link
In comment 14573861 Diver_Down said:
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[I'm cutting out the mountain of quotes]

In the article, the only "critique" of the giants is:

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But if he comes back, the Giants have got to win.

Shocking and controversial.

Whereas you have Melissa sounding off on twitter that her son isn't being used right.

Haha I think the fact that we both dredged up the same quote is reason enough for me to let it go - I was just busting your balls anyway because I think the Minkah comparison to Apple is a bit unfair, but I'm not as familiar. It sounds like quite a few posters who are more familiar with the Dolphins agree with Fitzpatrick's mom.
DG Needs To Make A Call  
Rong5611 : 9/13/2019 10:01 am : link
This would help. Its not like Peppers has looked all that great. We could use another guy.

Get him if you can...
RE: RE: GD -  
Big Rick in FL : 9/13/2019 10:10 am : link
In comment 14573869 Gatorade Dunk said:
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[I'm cutting out the mountain of quotes]

In the article, the only "critique" of the giants is:

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But if he comes back, the Giants have got to win.

Shocking and controversial.

Whereas you have Melissa sounding off on twitter that her son isn't being used right.


Haha I think the fact that we both dredged up the same quote is reason enough for me to let it go - I was just busting your balls anyway because I think the Minkah comparison to Apple is a bit unfair, but I'm not as familiar. It sounds like quite a few posters who are more familiar with the Dolphins agree with Fitzpatrick's mom.


His Mom is 1000% right. They haven't had a clue how to use him. The franchise is a mess.
RE: Minkah  
lionbull : 9/13/2019 10:14 am : link
In comment 14573793 Gmen88 said:
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is a great talent who has not been properly developed or utilized by a horrible organization. To think a 3rd is gonna get it done for the 11th overall pick from last year is laughable.


I would give a 2nd, Love and Beal...I think Miami takes it!!!
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: He's equating Minkah and Mom  
giants#1 : 9/13/2019 10:15 am : link
In comment 14573865 Gatorade Dunk said:
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I'm not sure Archie is considered on the same level as Annie and Melissa. Does Archie take to twitter to take subtle jabs at the Giants?


Oh, is Twitter the part that makes it bad? I'm sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you just had a problem with parents of players talking about what management should or should not do or attempting to dictate their offseason strategy through the media.



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But if he comes back, the Giants have got to win. They canít go through another season like this.




Apples to oranges. Aside from sharing the same first name, there's not much alike between the 2. While you can get on Archie for working to keep Eli out of SD, he was pretty much a non-factor the rest of Eli's career. At this point EM is quite distinguished and anything Archie says is just background noise.

That's not quite the same as a young, unproven player's family/friends stirring the pot.
It's been written that he's not happy with the way he's been used.  
Ira : 9/13/2019 10:18 am : link
He wants to stay as a slot corner instead of being used in a variety of positions.
RE: We shouldn't be trading for  
TMS : 9/13/2019 11:27 am : link
In comment 14573668 ZogZerg said:
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as he could be long gone come next year.
. This is a good point and sure it is being considered by DG and Abrams.
There is no way they take less than a first. He is in his second year  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/13/2019 11:53 am : link
after being picked 11th and they'll need to eat the signing bonus. We had people talking about third round picks for him.
RE: RE: RE: GD -  
BigBlueinChicago : 9/13/2019 12:19 pm : link
In comment 14573882 Big Rick in FL said:
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His Mom is 1000% right. They haven't had a clue how to use him. The franchise is a mess.


And some of the good franchises find the poor ones who have players who you know have been underutilized by other teams that you know can provide a contribution on yours.

Miami is in that place right now. Unfortunately, I don't feel the Giants front office thinking is progressive enough to take advantage.
RE: I didn't read the article  
giants#1 : 9/13/2019 12:25 pm : link
In comment 14573827 pjcas18 said:
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I only read the headline of this post, but when it says to me "Dolphins give Minkah Fitzpatrick permission to seek a trade" that would indicate to me his agent is reaching out to teams he is interested in playing for and gauging interest and I assume the Dolphins provided the agent loose parameters of what a trade would take.

So then in my mind the agent finds a desirable match, brings it back to the Dolphins and then they work it out.

Different from Beckham in that the Giants shopped him, and dealt him squarely on their terms, they did not to my knowledge give Odell permission to seek a trade.

Am I assuming too much from the headline?


Depends who leaked the story to the beats. If it's the Dolphins front office, then that's basically an open invitation for all GMs to contact him with their best offer.
Think that if DG and his team think he is an answer here.  
TMS : 9/13/2019 12:30 pm : link
Abrams can get it done. we have a lot of flexibility $$$ wise coming up, if we think we have ELI's replacement on board in Jones. We want to win now. They will all be looking for jobs if that does not happen.
I would definitely ask what it would take  
Festina Lente : 9/13/2019 12:50 pm : link
Kid is talented. Maybe needs to settle down in one position amd simplify his game.
Austin Gayle at PFF said that Fitzpatrick  
Section331 : 9/13/2019 2:41 pm : link
is one of the best slot corners they have ever scored, in both NFL and NCAA. Given how much the Giants have invested in the corner positions, I donít think itís a great idea to give up the draft capital needed to get him.

And a guy that good at slot corner, you donít play at safety.
Steelers rumored  
V.I.G. : 9/13/2019 2:49 pm : link
This author proposed:
From Pittsburgh to Miami: 2020 second-round pick and fourth-round pick
From Miami to Pittsburgh: Minkah Fitzpatrick and a 2020 third-round pick

I don't think that gets it done.

But I'd give our 2nd straight up.
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Our 2020 2nd, 6th and 7th  
MotownGIANTS : 9/13/2019 3:03 pm : link
for him is a fair deal move him to FS
If you can get him for a second  
illmatic : 9/13/2019 3:11 pm : link
I think the Giants would have do it. He fits the timeline with his age/contract and it's a crapshoot that they'll find anyone as good as him with their second round pick. I think the Dolphins would have to be pretty interested too if the Giants offer that considering there's a good chance the Giants don't make the playoffs this year. If it's between teams like the Seahawks, Steelers and Giants... you have to take the Giants pick. This team needs more DB talent in the worst way.
Steelers rumor is pretty funny  
ghost718 : 9/13/2019 3:12 pm : link
That's exactly what they gave up for Jerome Bettis

What a coinkydink
RE: If you can get him for a second  
V.I.G. : 9/13/2019 3:15 pm : link
In comment 14574365 illmatic said:
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I think the Giants would have do it. He fits the timeline with his age/contract and it's a crapshoot that they'll find anyone as good as him with their second round pick. I think the Dolphins would have to be pretty interested too if the Giants offer that considering there's a good chance the Giants don't make the playoffs this year. If it's between teams like the Seahawks, Steelers and Giants... you have to take the Giants pick. This team needs more DB talent in the worst way.

Do it
RE: RE: If you can get him for a second  
TommyWiseau : 9/13/2019 3:54 pm : link
In comment 14574372 V.I.G. said:
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In comment 14574365 illmatic said:


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I think the Giants would have do it. He fits the timeline with his age/contract and it's a crapshoot that they'll find anyone as good as him with their second round pick. I think the Dolphins would have to be pretty interested too if the Giants offer that considering there's a good chance the Giants don't make the playoffs this year. If it's between teams like the Seahawks, Steelers and Giants... you have to take the Giants pick. This team needs more DB talent in the worst way.


Do it


For a second round pick I would do it. Him, Baker, Love, Beal and Peppers could make for one damn good secondary
Doesn't hurt to inquire  
bradshaw44 : 9/13/2019 4:07 pm : link
My God, this team has needed a decent FS for a decade. Just make a call. Please. And if Minkah isn't interested so be it.
RE: Minkah  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/13/2019 4:10 pm : link
In comment 14573793 Gmen88 said:
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is a great talent who has not been properly developed or utilized by a horrible organization. To think a 3rd is gonna get it done for the 11th overall pick from last year is laughable.

Just give Miami exactly what they gave up for Rosen since went #10.
RE: Doesn't hurt to inquire  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2019 4:15 pm : link
In comment 14574425 bradshaw44 said:
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My God, this team has needed a decent FS for a decade. Just make a call. Please. And if Minkah isn't interested so be it.


I read he prefers to play slot corner, not safety.
Cowboys are talking to the Dolphins  
Des51 : 9/13/2019 4:38 pm : link
Per PFT Steven Jones stated that the Cowboys have contacted the Dolphins, the assumption is that it's about Fitzpatrick.
RE: RE: Doesn't hurt to inquire  
bradshaw44 : 9/13/2019 4:53 pm : link
In comment 14574431 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14574425 bradshaw44 said:


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My God, this team has needed a decent FS for a decade. Just make a call. Please. And if Minkah isn't interested so be it.



I read he prefers to play slot corner, not safety.


Is that verified?
Looks like Dallas...  
bw in dc : 9/13/2019 6:25 pm : link
is kicking the tires on MFitz.
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RE: Looks like Dallas...  
Diver_Down : 9/13/2019 7:09 pm : link
In comment 14574526 bw in dc said:
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is kicking the tires on MFitz. Boys - ( New Window )


So the idea is that Dallas will unload their trash (Taco) and offer a mid to second round pick for Minkah. Most are pegging Dallas to win the Division, but at a minimum making the playoffs so their ceiling in draft collateral is a late 2nd rounder.
Makes sense for Dallas  
fanatic II : 9/13/2019 9:36 pm : link
Anthony Brown(the slot CB) is going to be an UFA next year.

Dallas also has a lot of talent and depth on the DL. Charlton was a healthy inactive week one causing speculation that Dallas was looking to trade him last week.

Lastly, both players have the same agent.
Did i read this right  
Danny Dimes : 9/13/2019 9:41 pm : link
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According to Chris Mortensen. Depending on the price tag he's a guy the Giants should be interested in. Only 22 years old. He's got 3 years left on his deal plus his 5th year option. Can play Safety & slob CB.


Giants are better off letting me start. Even if i have to play safety
RE: Did i read this right  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/13/2019 10:22 pm : link
In comment 14574636 Danny Dimes said:
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According to Chris Mortensen. Depending on the price tag he's a guy the Giants should be interested in. Only 22 years old. He's got 3 years left on his deal plus his 5th year option. Can play Safety & slob CB.



Giants are better off letting me start. Even if i have to play safety

No, probably not.
Those bastard Cowboys ....  
short lease : 9/14/2019 9:14 am : link
trying to swoop down and take him right out from underneath us just when he was about to sign.

Think Man - why would you want to play in Dallas? Jerry just paid Elliot, Prescott is coming up and then Cooper .... You are going to end up making minimum wage down there.
It would be great to have a free safety with his size, athleticism and  
Ira : 9/14/2019 9:21 am : link
cover skills. He's certainly worth a 2nd and our 2nd is much more attractive than Dallas's.
RE: Those bastard Cowboys ....  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/14/2019 9:51 am : link
In comment 14574795 short lease said:
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trying to swoop down and take him right out from underneath us just when he was about to sign.

Think Man - why would you want to play in Dallas? Jerry just paid Elliot, Prescott is coming up and then Cooper .... You are going to end up making minimum wage down there.


Because he is going to make what he is going to make on his rookie contract. Might as well play on a winning team that puts you in a position to succeed, possibly win a ring, and get paid by someone else.
It pains me that the Cowboys have actually started run themselves  
BlueHurricane : 9/14/2019 9:58 am : link
as a competent organization instead of the Glory Hole seeking franchise they were for years.
RE: Makes sense for Dallas  
BigBlueShock : 9/14/2019 10:25 am : link
In comment 14574632 fanatic II said:
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Anthony Brown(the slot CB) is going to be an UFA next year.

Dallas also has a lot of talent and depth on the DL. Charlton was a healthy inactive week one causing speculation that Dallas was looking to trade him last week.

Lastly, both players have the same agent.

Why the hell would Miami want Charlton?
RE: Those bastard Cowboys ....  
Chocco : 9/14/2019 4:31 pm : link
In comment 14574795 short lease said:
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trying to swoop down and take him right out from underneath us just when he was about to sign.

Think Man - why would you want to play in Dallas? Jerry just paid Elliot, Prescott is coming up and then Cooper .... You are going to end up making minimum wage down there.

Plus the Giants can give them something that Dallas can't. Antonio Hamilton. Think about it, if your Miami and you are really trying to tank to get the best pick getting Hamilton for your secondary will all but sure it up
NFL should be embarrassed.  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/14/2019 4:37 pm : link
Ross allowing them to trade Tunsil was bad enough. Fitzpatrick had a solid first year. What a shit show. And honestly if I was whomever they draft at QB next year Iíd pull an Elway or Eli. They OL is NCAA level.
RE: NFL should be embarrassed.  
bw in dc : 9/14/2019 4:42 pm : link
In comment 14575115 LauderdaleMatty said:
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Ross allowing them to trade Tunsil was bad enough. Fitzpatrick had a solid first year. What a shit show. And honestly if I was whomever they draft at QB next year Iíd pull an Elway or Eli. They OL is NCAA level.


Why? It's not like Miami is this great sports town/city...

Wrecking ball is out and they are rebuilding.
RE: RE: NFL should be embarrassed.  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/14/2019 4:59 pm : link
In comment 14575120 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14575115 LauderdaleMatty said:


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Ross allowing them to trade Tunsil was bad enough. Fitzpatrick had a solid first year. What a shit show. And honestly if I was whomever they draft at QB next year Iíd pull an Elway or Eli. They OL is NCAA level.



Why? It's not like Miami is this great sports town/city...

Wrecking ball is out and they are rebuilding.


Of the 3 premier non QB positions you have LT, CB a d DE.

If they dump Fitzpatrick there 2 of the 3 who are top 10 picks who by all accounts are under contract and solid. Rebuilding you donít trade away young cost controlled starter level players.

Also yes Miami isnít a rest sports town. Wtf does that done my post? Keep being one of the worst posters here though. Youíre really good at it
My point is...  
bw in dc : 9/14/2019 5:05 pm : link
who is the poor product impacting at this point? It's a crime scene and Grier has decided to accumulate as many assets as he can.

Johnson did something similar in Dallas in '89 with the Walker trade.
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