According to Chris Mortensen. Depending on the price tag he's a guy the Giants should be interested in. Only 22 years old. He's got 3 years left on his deal plus his 5th year option. Can play Safety & slob CB.
Even if you want to point to the draft picks, jackrabbit will be gone fairly soon and there are always injuries in the secondary. It makes too much sense so it probably won’t happen.
The Giants have been in bad need of a FS. Wasting their time on antoine bethea was a joke. Giants need to pull the trigger. They need more overall quality.
We're a year away from being a real team. Most likely two years really.
MF has 3+1 left on his deal.
Trading a future second or third for him just doesn't make sense given those circumstances.
And I was big on MF draft time. I wanted him. And he's still a good player. But, managing a FO isn't as simple as going after every good player that becomes available, especially in the middle of a rebuild.
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He’s been a huge disappointment and they are semi admitting their mistake drafting him so high. If he was what they thought they wouldn’t trade away a 22 year old cost controlled safety who you just drafted.
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Among the 34 defensive players with 200 or more coverage snaps in the slot last season, he ranked first in completion percentage allowed (51.3%), first in passer rating allowed (53.4) and tied for ninth in coverage grade (76.7).
He’d be a big upgrade there. Depends on the price.
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You do what it takes to get him. 3rd round is a steal. He is a superstar talent on D. You know, where we lack game changers currently. Knowing the Giants, they wouldn't want to offend the guys starting now.. Because I mean, 13-13 on pass attempts over 10 yards is stellar.
I hope for his sake, he gets the hell out of there ASAP. The Dolphins are just horribly lost and have to be the worst-run franchise in the NFL right now.
They give up assets for Rosen... now they want to dump one of the few bright young players they have. I have no idea what they're doing there.
Fitzpatrick can play. I would almost guarantee they're misusing him and surrounding him with complete garbage. If they send him to a team that is being run by adults, I would feel very confident about him being an impact player. I don't think NYG are that team... we aren't in a position to make a trade like that.
But, god... the Dolphins are an utter fucking disaster.
if they're looking for a 1st you tell them to take a walk. A 2nd and a swap of 3rds on the other hand might not be the worst way to go. He's cost controlled for at least 4 more years.
though I'd be surprised if DG made the move, both in terms of draft picks in trade, and the cost of MF's second contract.
They need to get out of the mode of worrying about second contracts and into the mode of acquiring talent.
If Fitzpatrick commands some ungodly sum of money, it means you made the right move. Best case scenario you gladly pay him with the cap money saved from shipping everyone out, worst case scenario someone else does and you get a comp pick to offset the cost of renting him for 4 years.
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with too much baggage. We already shipped out Eli and Annie. We aren't going to be looking to add Minkah and Melissa.
But Miami should consider nothing less than a 1st or a high 2nd. They have to eat the $13.5M signing bonus. The trading team will get a talented player for $1.2M this year, $2M next, and $2.7M the next. The 5th year option is possible as he was picked #11 and the calculation is beneficial to the team as opposed to a top 10 pick.
is a great talent who has not been properly developed or utilized by a horrible organization. To think a 3rd is gonna get it done for the 11th overall pick from last year is laughable.
Minkah Fitzpatrick would be a great fit for this team and his potential is worth making a move for. A former first round selection and a a New Jersey native, we should seriously be weighing up a possible trade as he would ultimately fill a positional need for us. I would be fine using our second round pick and potentially one of our third's to be able to make a deal happen.
with too much baggage. We already shipped out Eli and Annie. We aren't going to be looking to add Minkah and Melissa.
But Miami should consider nothing less than a 1st or a high 2nd. They have to eat the $13.5M signing bonus. The trading team will get a talented player for $1.2M this year, $2M next, and $2.7M the next. The 5th year option is possible as he was picked #11 and the calculation is beneficial to the team as opposed to a top 10 pick.
and you have free reign to see a trade anywhere in the league.
What makes you think he's going to want to go from the worst team in the league to the 2nd or 3rd worst (or 8th or 9th, whatever you think) team in the league?
He's going to do to the Patriots, or the Saints, or the Chiefs or Eagles.
He's not going to push for a trade to the Giants.
the only thing even remotely appealing would be he's from NJ and that only goes so far with the young guys.
and you have free reign to see a trade anywhere in the league.
What makes you think he's going to want to go from the worst team in the league to the 2nd or 3rd worst (or 8th or 9th, whatever you think) team in the league?
He's going to do to the Patriots, or the Saints, or the Chiefs or Eagles.
He's not going to push for a trade to the Giants.
the only thing even remotely appealing would be he's from NJ and that only goes so far with the young guys.
Why do you think he has free reign? He's got 4 years left on his deal. If the Giants offer a 2nd and the Pats offer a 2nd the Fins aren't going to accept the Pats offer.
and you have free reign to see a trade anywhere in the league.
What makes you think he's going to want to go from the worst team in the league to the 2nd or 3rd worst (or 8th or 9th, whatever you think) team in the league?
He's going to do to the Patriots, or the Saints, or the Chiefs or Eagles.
He's not going to push for a trade to the Giants.
the only thing even remotely appealing would be he's from NJ and that only goes so far with the young guys.
Who says he has free reign or controls where he goes?
Beckham was in the league a lot longer than Fitzpatrick has been, had just signed a 2nd deal, and still had zero control over where we sent him.
If they want to trade him, they'll simply take the best offer. He has no say in where he goes.
I only read the headline of this post, but when it says to me "Dolphins give Minkah Fitzpatrick permission to seek a trade" that would indicate to me his agent is reaching out to teams he is interested in playing for and gauging interest and I assume the Dolphins provided the agent loose parameters of what a trade would take.
So then in my mind the agent finds a desirable match, brings it back to the Dolphins and then they work it out.
Different from Beckham in that the Giants shopped him, and dealt him squarely on their terms, they did not to my knowledge give Odell permission to seek a trade.
Yes, please!
I still think love is the next Giants FS but maybe he can play corner alongside ballentine and Baker.
Idk that you can say that about a 4th round pick at this juncture
MF has 3+1 left on his deal.
Trading a future second or third for him just doesn't make sense given those circumstances.
And I was big on MF draft time. I wanted him. And he's still a good player. But, managing a FO isn't as simple as going after every good player that becomes available, especially in the middle of a rebuild.
But then again, he is still only 22 and 3 years under rookie contract....
Love the player. Interesting.....I hope DG at least investigate opportunity.
no, no it's not
"Lol"
Among the 34 defensive players with 200 or more coverage snaps in the slot last season, he ranked first in completion percentage allowed (51.3%), first in passer rating allowed (53.4) and tied for ninth in coverage grade (76.7).
He’d be a big upgrade there. Depends on the price.
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plus for him.
no, no it's not
"Lol"
Agree. But I wouldn’t give more than a 3.
Being on his rookie deal, he is good value cap wise.
Clearly we need more talent in our secondary, Fitzpatrick could be either a good deep FS or slot CB (if Love is the future FS).
It would be interesting to know how highly Gettleman and our scouts rated Fitzpatrick last year.
I would send either a 2nd round pick or our 3rd and 5th round picks for him.
Maybe throw in a player like Beal.
Maybe they're misusing him but he hasn't had that type of game as a pro yet.
They give up assets for Rosen... now they want to dump one of the few bright young players they have. I have no idea what they're doing there.
Fitzpatrick can play. I would almost guarantee they're misusing him and surrounding him with complete garbage. If they send him to a team that is being run by adults, I would feel very confident about him being an impact player. I don't think NYG are that team... we aren't in a position to make a trade like that.
But, god... the Dolphins are an utter fucking disaster.
Dak DID make a lot of tight window throws in week 1. Just because he also hit some guys running free does not take away from that.
Seriously? He had a couple nice throws, but few if any were tight windows.
They need to get out of the mode of worrying about second contracts and into the mode of acquiring talent.
If Fitzpatrick commands some ungodly sum of money, it means you made the right move. Best case scenario you gladly pay him with the cap money saved from shipping everyone out, worst case scenario someone else does and you get a comp pick to offset the cost of renting him for 4 years.
But Miami should consider nothing less than a 1st or a high 2nd. They have to eat the $13.5M signing bonus. The trading team will get a talented player for $1.2M this year, $2M next, and $2.7M the next. The 5th year option is possible as he was picked #11 and the calculation is beneficial to the team as opposed to a top 10 pick.
He is now on the Redskins in Wikipedia-land.
But Miami should consider nothing less than a 1st or a high 2nd. They have to eat the $13.5M signing bonus. The trading team will get a talented player for $1.2M this year, $2M next, and $2.7M the next. The 5th year option is possible as he was picked #11 and the calculation is beneficial to the team as opposed to a top 10 pick.
What baggage?
What makes you think he's going to want to go from the worst team in the league to the 2nd or 3rd worst (or 8th or 9th, whatever you think) team in the league?
He's going to do to the Patriots, or the Saints, or the Chiefs or Eagles.
He's not going to push for a trade to the Giants.
the only thing even remotely appealing would be he's from NJ and that only goes so far with the young guys.
That's a huge reach
What makes you think he's going to want to go from the worst team in the league to the 2nd or 3rd worst (or 8th or 9th, whatever you think) team in the league?
He's going to do to the Patriots, or the Saints, or the Chiefs or Eagles.
He's not going to push for a trade to the Giants.
the only thing even remotely appealing would be he's from NJ and that only goes so far with the young guys.
Why do you think he has free reign? He's got 4 years left on his deal. If the Giants offer a 2nd and the Pats offer a 2nd the Fins aren't going to accept the Pats offer.
What makes you think he's going to want to go from the worst team in the league to the 2nd or 3rd worst (or 8th or 9th, whatever you think) team in the league?
He's going to do to the Patriots, or the Saints, or the Chiefs or Eagles.
He's not going to push for a trade to the Giants.
the only thing even remotely appealing would be he's from NJ and that only goes so far with the young guys.
Who says he has free reign or controls where he goes?
Beckham was in the league a lot longer than Fitzpatrick has been, had just signed a 2nd deal, and still had zero control over where we sent him.
If they want to trade him, they'll simply take the best offer. He has no say in where he goes.
So then in my mind the agent finds a desirable match, brings it back to the Dolphins and then they work it out.
Different from Beckham in that the Giants shopped him, and dealt him squarely on their terms, they did not to my knowledge give Odell permission to seek a trade.
Am I assuming too much from the headline?