McCoy has far more upside and I think it's only a matter of time before he's the #1 in KC. He had almost 30 more yards than Williams last week despite half the touches. And that's with, what, 2 weeks of practice with KC?
Yes, take this deal and don't think twice about it
He starts him when Shady takes over or he keeps him as a handcuff if Williams takes over. What if Shady takes over and he doesn't have him? Then he has no KC RB to play. It will work itself out.
He was on the field for all the raiders offensive snaps and received 30% of the targets. He will lead the Raiders in targets this year. This years Kittle, imo
I dont think you have to acquire Shady as a Williams owner
Hooper is a big drop off he had 71 rec and 660 yds last year and had a very good week last week. Both TEs are good.I like Shady and feel his role will grow. I think he will get 1st and 2nd down and williams will end up being used as a rec RB.
Need some opinions on a WR/TE Flex for a .5ppr league
In comment 14573930 Giants Fan in Steelers Land said:
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Shady was on the field for 33% of KC's snaps and Williams 66%. Worst case I see a 50/50 split. Waller to Hooper is a massive downgrade
I think the handcuff makes sense. Also don't agree about Waller to Hooper being a massive downgrade. Hooper had 9 targets week 1 (caught all 9), he's continuing the trend starting late last year of being more involved in the passing game. Hooper plays in a better offense than Waller as well. And Hooper is not a lumberer. He's athletic enough and a redzone target for Ryan. Do you trust Matt Ryan or Derek Carr?
Waller, btw, had a nice debut of 7 for 8 rec/targets, and 70 yards. Hooper was still slightly better. Other than Waller running faster than Hooper, how do you justify saying that Hooper is a massive downgrade from Waller? Hooper was the #7 overall TE in fantasy in standard last year. #6 in PPR. Darren Waller has played 15 games in 3 plus seasons, never having more than 10 catches in a SEASON. He played 4 games last year and had 6 catches for 75 yards and no scores. So in what way is Hooper a massive downgrade from Waller?
RE: RE: I dont think you have to acquire Shady as a Williams owner
In comment 14573930 Giants Fan in Steelers Land said:
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Shady was on the field for 33% of KC's snaps and Williams 66%. Worst case I see a 50/50 split. Waller to Hooper is a massive downgrade
I think the handcuff makes sense. Also don't agree about Waller to Hooper being a massive downgrade. Hooper had 9 targets week 1 (caught all 9), he's continuing the trend starting late last year of being more involved in the passing game. Hooper plays in a better offense than Waller as well. And Hooper is not a lumberer. He's athletic enough and a redzone target for Ryan. Do you trust Matt Ryan or Derek Carr?
Waller, btw, had a nice debut of 7 for 8 rec/targets, and 70 yards. Hooper was still slightly better. Other than Waller running faster than Hooper, how do you justify saying that Hooper is a massive downgrade from Waller? Hooper was the #7 overall TE in fantasy in standard last year. #6 in PPR. Darren Waller has played 15 games in 3 plus seasons, never having more than 10 catches in a SEASON. He played 4 games last year and had 6 catches for 75 yards and no scores. So in what way is Hooper a massive downgrade from Waller?
I can also acquire Vance McDonald from a QB needy team for my backup (Josh Allen).
Would getting Vance seal the deal to move Waller? I think it does.
Motleytwo.....i have the same dillema with engram and hockenson
Engram and Hockenson have two tough matchups coming up this week. I can't imagine benching either though. You don't draft a guy 8 not to use him. He looks a step faster than his 40, which is probably why people didn't touch him. He played the Cards last week so who knows what he'll put up going forward.
That is pure projection. He hasn't even stayed healthy for a season yet. Most games he's ever played in a season is 8. But you're saying that it's all going to change this year.
If he matches what Hooper did last year that would be a career year for him.
I think since we're talking about a backup TE, just go with Hooper, who's fine even as a low-end TE1.
The insurance for Damien Williams in that offense is more important.
Also drop Corey Davis....I was a big fan of his coming out of school.
That is pure projection. He hasn't even stayed healthy for a season yet. Most games he's ever played in a season is 8. But you're saying that it's all going to change this year.
If he matches what Hooper did last year that would be a career year for him.
I think since we're talking about a backup TE, just go with Hooper, who's fine even as a low-end TE1.
The insurance for Damien Williams in that offense is more important.
His issues have not been injury (AFAIK) since his rookie year. It's been drugs/suspension.
not saying it's less risky but it's different.
RE: Need some opinions on a WR/TE Flex for a .5ppr league
Christian Kirk @ Baltimore (That's a long trip. Had 12 targets last week, but he & Webster only connected on 4 of them.)
Corey Davis vs. Indy (He put up a goose egg last week. Had him last year too. I don't know what the deal is with this guy.)
Kenny Stills vs. Jacksonville (New acquisition for Houston and was pretty quiet last week, but managed a TD late)
Phillip Dorsett @ Miami (Big numbers last week, but a lot has changed in New England since then & I already have Edelman going)
T.J. Hockenson vs. Chargers (Great debut last week. Got Engram going in the regular TE spot. #'s 1 & 2 for TE scoring in my league)
Do I stick with Hockenson?
Good for you having the Engram, Hockenson duo.
I think you have to have Kirk in the lineup. Don't worry about the low # of catches. That's going to work itself out, they will get on the same page. Remember this was Murray's first game and he really didn't turn it on until the 4th quarter. That Ravens team, while a tough matchup, that's going to be a points bonanza. I want every Raven and Cardinal in my lineup. I want the over, I want these guys in my DFS, I love this fantasy matchup.
Kirk is a guy you want to have on your team. He's going to be the most targeted guy in that offense, they are going to have a lot of offensive plays, AND he's a big play receiver. In fact, I'd look to trade for him if I didn't have him, right now before his value skyrockets.
Hockenson I would consider starting over Engram this week. I believe Hockenson is going to be a no-brainer start pretty soon, and I LOVE Engram this year. But the Bills held Jets' TEs to 3 catches for 10 yards and no scores. And I know Engram > Ryan Griffin (by a lot), but the Bills also allowed the 2nd fewest passing yards in the NFL last week as well, meaning I think the only start-able Giant this week is Saquon Barkley, unless you don't have a viable alternative to Engram, which YOU DO.
So I'd play both Hockenson and Kirk and bench Engram this week.
And Dorsett's situation is too volatile with the AB situation and the other mouths to feed in that offense, and Stills is a homerun or nothing guy. So I think the decision in this case is pretty clear, and good luck.
That is pure projection. He hasn't even stayed healthy for a season yet. Most games he's ever played in a season is 8. But you're saying that it's all going to change this year.
If he matches what Hooper did last year that would be a career year for him.
I think since we're talking about a backup TE, just go with Hooper, who's fine even as a low-end TE1.
The insurance for Damien Williams in that offense is more important.
His issues have not been injury (AFAIK) since his rookie year. It's been drugs/suspension.
not saying it's less risky but it's different.
OK cool, I didn't research his issues but still 15 games in 3 plus seasons ain't good.
RE: RE: Need some opinions on a WR/TE Flex for a .5ppr league
Christian Kirk @ Baltimore (That's a long trip. Had 12 targets last week, but he & Webster only connected on 4 of them.)
Corey Davis vs. Indy (He put up a goose egg last week. Had him last year too. I don't know what the deal is with this guy.)
Kenny Stills vs. Jacksonville (New acquisition for Houston and was pretty quiet last week, but managed a TD late)
Phillip Dorsett @ Miami (Big numbers last week, but a lot has changed in New England since then & I already have Edelman going)
T.J. Hockenson vs. Chargers (Great debut last week. Got Engram going in the regular TE spot. #'s 1 & 2 for TE scoring in my league)
Do I stick with Hockenson?
Good for you having the Engram, Hockenson duo.
I think you have to have Kirk in the lineup. Don't worry about the low # of catches. That's going to work itself out, they will get on the same page. Remember this was Murray's first game and he really didn't turn it on until the 4th quarter. That Ravens team, while a tough matchup, that's going to be a points bonanza. I want every Raven and Cardinal in my lineup. I want the over, I want these guys in my DFS, I love this fantasy matchup.
Kirk is a guy you want to have on your team. He's going to be the most targeted guy in that offense, they are going to have a lot of offensive plays, AND he's a big play receiver. In fact, I'd look to trade for him if I didn't have him, right now before his value skyrockets.
Hockenson I would consider starting over Engram this week. I believe Hockenson is going to be a no-brainer start pretty soon, and I LOVE Engram this year. But the Bills held Jets' TEs to 3 catches for 10 yards and no scores. And I know Engram > Ryan Griffin (by a lot), but the Bills also allowed the 2nd fewest passing yards in the NFL last week as well, meaning I think the only start-able Giant this week is Saquon Barkley, unless you don't have a viable alternative to Engram, which YOU DO.
So I'd play both Hockenson and Kirk and bench Engram this week.
And Dorsett's situation is too volatile with the AB situation and the other mouths to feed in that offense, and Stills is a homerun or nothing guy. So I think the decision in this case is pretty clear, and good luck.
Lot's of good points! thanks!
RE: RE: RE: Need some opinions on a WR/TE Flex for a .5ppr league
Christian Kirk @ Baltimore (That's a long trip. Had 12 targets last week, but he & Webster only connected on 4 of them.)
Corey Davis vs. Indy (He put up a goose egg last week. Had him last year too. I don't know what the deal is with this guy.)
Kenny Stills vs. Jacksonville (New acquisition for Houston and was pretty quiet last week, but managed a TD late)
Phillip Dorsett @ Miami (Big numbers last week, but a lot has changed in New England since then & I already have Edelman going)
T.J. Hockenson vs. Chargers (Great debut last week. Got Engram going in the regular TE spot. #'s 1 & 2 for TE scoring in my league)
Do I stick with Hockenson?
Good for you having the Engram, Hockenson duo.
I think you have to have Kirk in the lineup. Don't worry about the low # of catches. That's going to work itself out, they will get on the same page. Remember this was Murray's first game and he really didn't turn it on until the 4th quarter. That Ravens team, while a tough matchup, that's going to be a points bonanza. I want every Raven and Cardinal in my lineup. I want the over, I want these guys in my DFS, I love this fantasy matchup.
Kirk is a guy you want to have on your team. He's going to be the most targeted guy in that offense, they are going to have a lot of offensive plays, AND he's a big play receiver. In fact, I'd look to trade for him if I didn't have him, right now before his value skyrockets.
Hockenson I would consider starting over Engram this week. I believe Hockenson is going to be a no-brainer start pretty soon, and I LOVE Engram this year. But the Bills held Jets' TEs to 3 catches for 10 yards and no scores. And I know Engram > Ryan Griffin (by a lot), but the Bills also allowed the 2nd fewest passing yards in the NFL last week as well, meaning I think the only start-able Giant this week is Saquon Barkley, unless you don't have a viable alternative to Engram, which YOU DO.
So I'd play both Hockenson and Kirk and bench Engram this week.
And Dorsett's situation is too volatile with the AB situation and the other mouths to feed in that offense, and Stills is a homerun or nothing guy. So I think the decision in this case is pretty clear, and good luck.
Lot's of good points! thanks!
Yup, you bet. And I'm putting my money where my mouth is...just offered MVS for Kirk. The Kirk owner is a huge Packers' fan so wish me luck.
The Chargers have been pretty damn good against Tight Ends too
and effectively shut down Ebron and Doyle. I think I like Engram more in his matchup mostly because he is our only passing threat right now. He is going to get volume. Going forward I think those two are going to be make more starts TE/Flex for my fantasy team than not, just think it is an unfortunate matchup week for both of them.
RE: The Chargers have been pretty damn good against Tight Ends too
and effectively shut down Ebron and Doyle. I think I like Engram more in his matchup mostly because he is our only passing threat right now. He is going to get volume. Going forward I think those two are going to be make more starts TE/Flex for my fantasy team than not, just think it is an unfortunate matchup week for both of them.
I don't know if you saw it in the other thread someone bring up Tre'Davious White. I would be shocked if Engram doesn't have White all over him. "He's our only passing threat right now." And you don't think that Buffalo doesn't know this? Buffalo has a really good defense.
As for the Chargers, yes they have a good defense. But Hockenson has the look of an ELITE player. Like the next Gronk. They are going to get him the ball AND the Chargers need to respect Golladay and Jones and even Amendola who had a big game last week.
I hope I'm wrong, but I'm benching Engram this week.
Right, but Engram is going to have like 15 targets this week.
And the Chargers just shut down a talented pair of tight ends and can't stop the run. Hockenson has higher upside on TD's, but Engram has a floor of like 10 points. I don't think this is the week for Hockenson. Kerryon Johnson is the Lions player you want this week.
Allstar Even if he only catches half his targets this week that
And the Chargers just shut down a talented pair of tight ends and can't stop the run. Hockenson has higher upside on TD's, but Engram has a floor of like 10 points. I don't think this is the week for Hockenson. Kerryon Johnson is the Lions player you want this week.
Kerryon you say? Good because I have him too.
RE: Right, but Engram is going to have like 15 targets this week.
And the Chargers just shut down a talented pair of tight ends and can't stop the run. Hockenson has higher upside on TD's, but Engram has a floor of like 10 points. I don't think this is the week for Hockenson. Kerryon Johnson is the Lions player you want this week.
I think the comparison of Ebron and Doyle to Hockenson is unfair to Hockenson. I also think the QB situation of Matthew Stafford vs Jacoby Brissett is highly tilted in Stafford's favor. I think Engram's floor is actually lower than 7 catches this week, I think the Bills are going to look to take him away. On all this points I think Hockenson is the better play. You have to understand that Hockenson, coming into the NFL, was maybe the most highly thought of TE prospect in NFL history. More than Jeremy Shockey, and the only one I can even say is in the conversation in terms of a prospect would be Vernon Davis. This dude can play, and Stafford is going to go to him. I'm pretty sure we are just going to agree to disagree here, so all that's left is to see who's right on Monday!
I'm not advocating him for a fantasy play, but the guy I think would be a sneaky play is Russell Shepard (for DFS). I'm going to stick him in on of my lineups at least. He played well out of the slot with the first team while Shepard was out with the thumb injury, and Eli has trust in him. He also is a pretty good route runner, and I believe he'll be the beneficiary of the attention being paid by the Buffalo defense to Engram and Barkley.
The Bills have lots of good cornerbacks, I wouldn't be surprised
to see a ton of man to try to neutralize Barkley and them letting Engram do his damage. That gameplan of course goes completely out the window if the Bills go up Two TDs.
Hockenson is a fantastic player no doubt and I have a tough decision between him, Chris Thompson, Hardman, and Westbrook for my flex in .5 PPR. I was 5th on the wire and couldn't believe my waiver wire pickup went through for him. I guess its justice because if my bench was one deeper I would have stashed him.
I prolly can't get him, but he was dropped in my league. I knew nothing about him tbf. I did notice since last yr - lots of targets, shitty catch%. Which is what happened again. Still that's high volume in a pass O. And he has a TON of upside
I think early season, Fitz gets the nod. Surer handed, even 13tgts 8rec imo was low catch%. Coming in I thought this O would work nicely as would an improvising QB given his smarts
I like CKirk but should I get him and for who? I'd rather upgrade 4th RB if not add a 6th, not likely to drop one. I'm lowest on Landry early season (tho expect an OBJ injury). But even so would swapping him for Kirk make sense? I get his upside over Fitz, then again is his upside so much better than DK (who's likely to be a huge RZ target w/ tons of speed tho a run heavy O) or Hardman given TH's injury? And for me the big question is Kirk's hands & consistency. ATM those 3 seem like similar bets
I'd love to have Kirk's tgts but don't see the fit. At most, Landry for Kirk? More upside, similar volume if not more, worse hands. But who do I play TY, Kirk, Fitz, DK for 1 or 2 spots? And would that make too many uncertain quantities? Think Ima sit but would love thoughts...
RE: RE: Right, but Engram is going to have like 15 targets this week.
And the Chargers just shut down a talented pair of tight ends and can't stop the run. Hockenson has higher upside on TD's, but Engram has a floor of like 10 points. I don't think this is the week for Hockenson. Kerryon Johnson is the Lions player you want this week.
I think the comparison of Ebron and Doyle to Hockenson is unfair to Hockenson. I also think the QB situation of Matthew Stafford vs Jacoby Brissett is highly tilted in Stafford's favor. I think Engram's floor is actually lower than 7 catches this week, I think the Bills are going to look to take him away. On all this points I think Hockenson is the better play. You have to understand that Hockenson, coming into the NFL, was maybe the most highly thought of TE prospect in NFL history. More than Jeremy Shockey, and the only one I can even say is in the conversation in terms of a prospect would be Vernon Davis. This dude can play, and Stafford is going to go to him. I'm pretty sure we are just going to agree to disagree here, so all that's left is to see who's right on Monday!
I'm not advocating him for a fantasy play, but the guy I think would be a sneaky play is Russell Shepard (for DFS). I'm going to stick him in on of my lineups at least. He played well out of the slot with the first team while Shepard was out with the thumb injury, and Eli has trust in him. He also is a pretty good route runner, and I believe he'll be the beneficiary of the attention being paid by the Buffalo defense to Engram and Barkley.
Hockenson's a great prospect, but Kellen Winslow Jr was arguably ahead of all the guys you mentioned! He was largely a bust, but as a prospect he was right there.
RE: RE: RE: Right, but Engram is going to have like 15 targets this week.
And the Chargers just shut down a talented pair of tight ends and can't stop the run. Hockenson has higher upside on TD's, but Engram has a floor of like 10 points. I don't think this is the week for Hockenson. Kerryon Johnson is the Lions player you want this week.
I think the comparison of Ebron and Doyle to Hockenson is unfair to Hockenson. I also think the QB situation of Matthew Stafford vs Jacoby Brissett is highly tilted in Stafford's favor. I think Engram's floor is actually lower than 7 catches this week, I think the Bills are going to look to take him away. On all this points I think Hockenson is the better play. You have to understand that Hockenson, coming into the NFL, was maybe the most highly thought of TE prospect in NFL history. More than Jeremy Shockey, and the only one I can even say is in the conversation in terms of a prospect would be Vernon Davis. This dude can play, and Stafford is going to go to him. I'm pretty sure we are just going to agree to disagree here, so all that's left is to see who's right on Monday!
I'm not advocating him for a fantasy play, but the guy I think would be a sneaky play is Russell Shepard (for DFS). I'm going to stick him in on of my lineups at least. He played well out of the slot with the first team while Shepard was out with the thumb injury, and Eli has trust in him. He also is a pretty good route runner, and I believe he'll be the beneficiary of the attention being paid by the Buffalo defense to Engram and Barkley.
Hockenson's a great prospect, but Kellen Winslow Jr was arguably ahead of all the guys you mentioned! He was largely a bust, but as a prospect he was right there.
That's fair, and there's some subjectivity to it, and Winslow was taken 6th overall and Hockenson was taken 8th, and I'm aware of the potential for recency bias, but still believe that from a "grade" perspective, Winslow is a little behind the other two. Hockenson more of a complete, overall, dominant force in blocking and receiving, and Davis just a total athletic freak of nature. Winslow ran a 4.62 40 and was strong, but Davis ran a sub-4.4 with a 42" vert. I know, I know, combine and all. Davis also drafted 6th overall.
I remember both of their drafts and although Winslow was a hyped prospect, he was more on the level of Shockey. The hype around both T.J. and Davis was through the roof. On Hockenson, Daniel Jeremiah said Hockenson was the best blocking TE he "has ever seen." And I respect Jeremiah. Add in the fact that he moves like he does (4.70 40, 7.02 3-cone, and 4.18 short shuttle), shows he has exceptional athletic capability as a 'move' TE.
But it's fair to bring up Winslow. In any case, Hockenson certainly is among the very top, elite TEs of any draft class.
I prolly can't get him, but he was dropped in my league. I knew nothing about him tbf. I did notice since last yr - lots of targets, shitty catch%. Which is what happened again. Still that's high volume in a pass O. And he has a TON of upside
I think early season, Fitz gets the nod. Surer handed, even 13tgts 8rec imo was low catch%. Coming in I thought this O would work nicely as would an improvising QB given his smarts
I like CKirk but should I get him and for who? I'd rather upgrade 4th RB if not add a 6th, not likely to drop one. I'm lowest on Landry early season (tho expect an OBJ injury). But even so would swapping him for Kirk make sense? I get his upside over Fitz, then again is his upside so much better than DK (who's likely to be a huge RZ target w/ tons of speed tho a run heavy O) or Hardman given TH's injury? And for me the big question is Kirk's hands & consistency. ATM those 3 seem like similar bets
I'd love to have Kirk's tgts but don't see the fit. At most, Landry for Kirk? More upside, similar volume if not more, worse hands. But who do I play TY, Kirk, Fitz, DK for 1 or 2 spots? And would that make too many uncertain quantities? Think Ima sit but would love thoughts...
Does the Tyreek Hill owner also own Kirk? I would try to move Hardman for him. I think that only works if it's the Hill owner.
You could also move Latavius Murray if the Kamara owner has Kirk. I know, these are shots in the dark. Yes, you would need to back fill a RB at some point, but I think you could do that with a Rex Burkhead if he's available.
Thanks ASJ. Right now Kirk is on waivers til tomorrow
dropped for CThompson. Hill's owner grabbed AJ Brown (TN) so he's out. Also my WW claim for Hardman seems to have been the only one
At 8 on WW im down the line to pick him up. Still I would need to like him over my WRs (Fitz might be a wash tho more value now IMO, again maybe Landry, but similar upside to DK & Hardman atm, more vol aside). But would you just drop Landry?
Team at WW 1 picked up Ginn, w/ Diggs, Lockett & Shep at WR, so he might grab CK. Otherwise my thought was trade FOR TColeman on his bench for Landry (maybe Fitz?), put him on IR while out for as long as necessary (even after healthy). Then I have space for Kirk (Mostert if not?)
Then again seems like a whole lot of moves for not a whole lot of addition or clarity of who to play, and some risk to drop lose JL (tho atm my roster can take it)...maybe more upside & an extra RB tho
If so 8 would still do it. I have McCoy starting flex this week his FA,he is up.
This is a great deal for you.
He starts him when Shady takes over or he keeps him as a handcuff if Williams takes over. What if Shady takes over and he doesn't have him? Then he has no KC RB to play. It will work itself out.
Christian Kirk @ Baltimore (That's a long trip. Had 12 targets last week, but he & Webster only connected on 4 of them.)
Corey Davis vs. Indy (He put up a goose egg last week. Had him last year too. I don't know what the deal is with this guy.)
Kenny Stills vs. Jacksonville (New acquisition for Houston and was pretty quiet last week, but managed a TD late)
Phillip Dorsett @ Miami (Big numbers last week, but a lot has changed in New England since then & I already have Edelman going)
T.J. Hockenson vs. Chargers (Great debut last week. Got Engram going in the regular TE spot. #'s 1 & 2 for TE scoring in my league)
Do I stick with Hockenson?
I think the handcuff makes sense. Also don't agree about Waller to Hooper being a massive downgrade. Hooper had 9 targets week 1 (caught all 9), he's continuing the trend starting late last year of being more involved in the passing game. Hooper plays in a better offense than Waller as well. And Hooper is not a lumberer. He's athletic enough and a redzone target for Ryan. Do you trust Matt Ryan or Derek Carr?
Waller, btw, had a nice debut of 7 for 8 rec/targets, and 70 yards. Hooper was still slightly better. Other than Waller running faster than Hooper, how do you justify saying that Hooper is a massive downgrade from Waller? Hooper was the #7 overall TE in fantasy in standard last year. #6 in PPR. Darren Waller has played 15 games in 3 plus seasons, never having more than 10 catches in a SEASON. He played 4 games last year and had 6 catches for 75 yards and no scores. So in what way is Hooper a massive downgrade from Waller?
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Shady was on the field for 33% of KC's snaps and Williams 66%. Worst case I see a 50/50 split. Waller to Hooper is a massive downgrade
I think the handcuff makes sense. Also don't agree about Waller to Hooper being a massive downgrade. Hooper had 9 targets week 1 (caught all 9), he's continuing the trend starting late last year of being more involved in the passing game. Hooper plays in a better offense than Waller as well. And Hooper is not a lumberer. He's athletic enough and a redzone target for Ryan. Do you trust Matt Ryan or Derek Carr?
Waller, btw, had a nice debut of 7 for 8 rec/targets, and 70 yards. Hooper was still slightly better. Other than Waller running faster than Hooper, how do you justify saying that Hooper is a massive downgrade from Waller? Hooper was the #7 overall TE in fantasy in standard last year. #6 in PPR. Darren Waller has played 15 games in 3 plus seasons, never having more than 10 catches in a SEASON. He played 4 games last year and had 6 catches for 75 yards and no scores. So in what way is Hooper a massive downgrade from Waller?
I can also acquire Vance McDonald from a QB needy team for my backup (Josh Allen).
Would getting Vance seal the deal to move Waller? I think it does.
If he matches what Hooper did last year that would be a career year for him.
I think since we're talking about a backup TE, just go with Hooper, who's fine even as a low-end TE1.
The insurance for Damien Williams in that offense is more important.
If he matches what Hooper did last year that would be a career year for him.
I think since we're talking about a backup TE, just go with Hooper, who's fine even as a low-end TE1.
The insurance for Damien Williams in that offense is more important.
His issues have not been injury (AFAIK) since his rookie year. It's been drugs/suspension.
not saying it's less risky but it's different.
Christian Kirk @ Baltimore (That's a long trip. Had 12 targets last week, but he & Webster only connected on 4 of them.)
Corey Davis vs. Indy (He put up a goose egg last week. Had him last year too. I don't know what the deal is with this guy.)
Kenny Stills vs. Jacksonville (New acquisition for Houston and was pretty quiet last week, but managed a TD late)
Phillip Dorsett @ Miami (Big numbers last week, but a lot has changed in New England since then & I already have Edelman going)
T.J. Hockenson vs. Chargers (Great debut last week. Got Engram going in the regular TE spot. #'s 1 & 2 for TE scoring in my league)
Do I stick with Hockenson?
Good for you having the Engram, Hockenson duo.
I think you have to have Kirk in the lineup. Don't worry about the low # of catches. That's going to work itself out, they will get on the same page. Remember this was Murray's first game and he really didn't turn it on until the 4th quarter. That Ravens team, while a tough matchup, that's going to be a points bonanza. I want every Raven and Cardinal in my lineup. I want the over, I want these guys in my DFS, I love this fantasy matchup.
Kirk is a guy you want to have on your team. He's going to be the most targeted guy in that offense, they are going to have a lot of offensive plays, AND he's a big play receiver. In fact, I'd look to trade for him if I didn't have him, right now before his value skyrockets.
Hockenson I would consider starting over Engram this week. I believe Hockenson is going to be a no-brainer start pretty soon, and I LOVE Engram this year. But the Bills held Jets' TEs to 3 catches for 10 yards and no scores. And I know Engram > Ryan Griffin (by a lot), but the Bills also allowed the 2nd fewest passing yards in the NFL last week as well, meaning I think the only start-able Giant this week is Saquon Barkley, unless you don't have a viable alternative to Engram, which YOU DO.
So I'd play both Hockenson and Kirk and bench Engram this week.
And Dorsett's situation is too volatile with the AB situation and the other mouths to feed in that offense, and Stills is a homerun or nothing guy. So I think the decision in this case is pretty clear, and good luck.
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That is pure projection. He hasn't even stayed healthy for a season yet. Most games he's ever played in a season is 8. But you're saying that it's all going to change this year.
If he matches what Hooper did last year that would be a career year for him.
I think since we're talking about a backup TE, just go with Hooper, who's fine even as a low-end TE1.
The insurance for Damien Williams in that offense is more important.
His issues have not been injury (AFAIK) since his rookie year. It's been drugs/suspension.
not saying it's less risky but it's different.
OK cool, I didn't research his issues but still 15 games in 3 plus seasons ain't good.
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Need to pick one:
Christian Kirk @ Baltimore (That's a long trip. Had 12 targets last week, but he & Webster only connected on 4 of them.)
Corey Davis vs. Indy (He put up a goose egg last week. Had him last year too. I don't know what the deal is with this guy.)
Kenny Stills vs. Jacksonville (New acquisition for Houston and was pretty quiet last week, but managed a TD late)
Phillip Dorsett @ Miami (Big numbers last week, but a lot has changed in New England since then & I already have Edelman going)
T.J. Hockenson vs. Chargers (Great debut last week. Got Engram going in the regular TE spot. #'s 1 & 2 for TE scoring in my league)
Do I stick with Hockenson?
Good for you having the Engram, Hockenson duo.
I think you have to have Kirk in the lineup. Don't worry about the low # of catches. That's going to work itself out, they will get on the same page. Remember this was Murray's first game and he really didn't turn it on until the 4th quarter. That Ravens team, while a tough matchup, that's going to be a points bonanza. I want every Raven and Cardinal in my lineup. I want the over, I want these guys in my DFS, I love this fantasy matchup.
Kirk is a guy you want to have on your team. He's going to be the most targeted guy in that offense, they are going to have a lot of offensive plays, AND he's a big play receiver. In fact, I'd look to trade for him if I didn't have him, right now before his value skyrockets.
Hockenson I would consider starting over Engram this week. I believe Hockenson is going to be a no-brainer start pretty soon, and I LOVE Engram this year. But the Bills held Jets' TEs to 3 catches for 10 yards and no scores. And I know Engram > Ryan Griffin (by a lot), but the Bills also allowed the 2nd fewest passing yards in the NFL last week as well, meaning I think the only start-able Giant this week is Saquon Barkley, unless you don't have a viable alternative to Engram, which YOU DO.
So I'd play both Hockenson and Kirk and bench Engram this week.
And Dorsett's situation is too volatile with the AB situation and the other mouths to feed in that offense, and Stills is a homerun or nothing guy. So I think the decision in this case is pretty clear, and good luck.
Lot's of good points! thanks!
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Need to pick one:
Christian Kirk @ Baltimore (That's a long trip. Had 12 targets last week, but he & Webster only connected on 4 of them.)
Corey Davis vs. Indy (He put up a goose egg last week. Had him last year too. I don't know what the deal is with this guy.)
Kenny Stills vs. Jacksonville (New acquisition for Houston and was pretty quiet last week, but managed a TD late)
Phillip Dorsett @ Miami (Big numbers last week, but a lot has changed in New England since then & I already have Edelman going)
T.J. Hockenson vs. Chargers (Great debut last week. Got Engram going in the regular TE spot. #'s 1 & 2 for TE scoring in my league)
Do I stick with Hockenson?
Good for you having the Engram, Hockenson duo.
I think you have to have Kirk in the lineup. Don't worry about the low # of catches. That's going to work itself out, they will get on the same page. Remember this was Murray's first game and he really didn't turn it on until the 4th quarter. That Ravens team, while a tough matchup, that's going to be a points bonanza. I want every Raven and Cardinal in my lineup. I want the over, I want these guys in my DFS, I love this fantasy matchup.
Kirk is a guy you want to have on your team. He's going to be the most targeted guy in that offense, they are going to have a lot of offensive plays, AND he's a big play receiver. In fact, I'd look to trade for him if I didn't have him, right now before his value skyrockets.
Hockenson I would consider starting over Engram this week. I believe Hockenson is going to be a no-brainer start pretty soon, and I LOVE Engram this year. But the Bills held Jets' TEs to 3 catches for 10 yards and no scores. And I know Engram > Ryan Griffin (by a lot), but the Bills also allowed the 2nd fewest passing yards in the NFL last week as well, meaning I think the only start-able Giant this week is Saquon Barkley, unless you don't have a viable alternative to Engram, which YOU DO.
So I'd play both Hockenson and Kirk and bench Engram this week.
And Dorsett's situation is too volatile with the AB situation and the other mouths to feed in that offense, and Stills is a homerun or nothing guy. So I think the decision in this case is pretty clear, and good luck.
Lot's of good points! thanks!
Yup, you bet. And I'm putting my money where my mouth is...just offered MVS for Kirk. The Kirk owner is a huge Packers' fan so wish me luck.
I don't know if you saw it in the other thread someone bring up Tre'Davious White. I would be shocked if Engram doesn't have White all over him. "He's our only passing threat right now." And you don't think that Buffalo doesn't know this? Buffalo has a really good defense.
As for the Chargers, yes they have a good defense. But Hockenson has the look of an ELITE player. Like the next Gronk. They are going to get him the ball AND the Chargers need to respect Golladay and Jones and even Amendola who had a big game last week.
I hope I'm wrong, but I'm benching Engram this week.
Kerryon you say? Good because I have him too.
I think the comparison of Ebron and Doyle to Hockenson is unfair to Hockenson. I also think the QB situation of Matthew Stafford vs Jacoby Brissett is highly tilted in Stafford's favor. I think Engram's floor is actually lower than 7 catches this week, I think the Bills are going to look to take him away. On all this points I think Hockenson is the better play. You have to understand that Hockenson, coming into the NFL, was maybe the most highly thought of TE prospect in NFL history. More than Jeremy Shockey, and the only one I can even say is in the conversation in terms of a prospect would be Vernon Davis. This dude can play, and Stafford is going to go to him. I'm pretty sure we are just going to agree to disagree here, so all that's left is to see who's right on Monday!
I'm not advocating him for a fantasy play, but the guy I think would be a sneaky play is Russell Shepard (for DFS). I'm going to stick him in on of my lineups at least. He played well out of the slot with the first team while Shepard was out with the thumb injury, and Eli has trust in him. He also is a pretty good route runner, and I believe he'll be the beneficiary of the attention being paid by the Buffalo defense to Engram and Barkley.
Hockenson is a fantastic player no doubt and I have a tough decision between him, Chris Thompson, Hardman, and Westbrook for my flex in .5 PPR. I was 5th on the wire and couldn't believe my waiver wire pickup went through for him. I guess its justice because if my bench was one deeper I would have stashed him.
My team:
RBs: Cook, DFreeman, AJones, LMurray, JSamuels
WRs: JJSS, TY, Jarvis, Fitz, DK, Hardman
I think early season, Fitz gets the nod. Surer handed, even 13tgts 8rec imo was low catch%. Coming in I thought this O would work nicely as would an improvising QB given his smarts
I like CKirk but should I get him and for who? I'd rather upgrade 4th RB if not add a 6th, not likely to drop one. I'm lowest on Landry early season (tho expect an OBJ injury). But even so would swapping him for Kirk make sense? I get his upside over Fitz, then again is his upside so much better than DK (who's likely to be a huge RZ target w/ tons of speed tho a run heavy O) or Hardman given TH's injury? And for me the big question is Kirk's hands & consistency. ATM those 3 seem like similar bets
I'd love to have Kirk's tgts but don't see the fit. At most, Landry for Kirk? More upside, similar volume if not more, worse hands. But who do I play TY, Kirk, Fitz, DK for 1 or 2 spots? And would that make too many uncertain quantities? Think Ima sit but would love thoughts...
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And the Chargers just shut down a talented pair of tight ends and can't stop the run. Hockenson has higher upside on TD's, but Engram has a floor of like 10 points. I don't think this is the week for Hockenson. Kerryon Johnson is the Lions player you want this week.
I think the comparison of Ebron and Doyle to Hockenson is unfair to Hockenson. I also think the QB situation of Matthew Stafford vs Jacoby Brissett is highly tilted in Stafford's favor. I think Engram's floor is actually lower than 7 catches this week, I think the Bills are going to look to take him away. On all this points I think Hockenson is the better play. You have to understand that Hockenson, coming into the NFL, was maybe the most highly thought of TE prospect in NFL history. More than Jeremy Shockey, and the only one I can even say is in the conversation in terms of a prospect would be Vernon Davis. This dude can play, and Stafford is going to go to him. I'm pretty sure we are just going to agree to disagree here, so all that's left is to see who's right on Monday!
I'm not advocating him for a fantasy play, but the guy I think would be a sneaky play is Russell Shepard (for DFS). I'm going to stick him in on of my lineups at least. He played well out of the slot with the first team while Shepard was out with the thumb injury, and Eli has trust in him. He also is a pretty good route runner, and I believe he'll be the beneficiary of the attention being paid by the Buffalo defense to Engram and Barkley.
Hockenson's a great prospect, but Kellen Winslow Jr was arguably ahead of all the guys you mentioned! He was largely a bust, but as a prospect he was right there.
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And the Chargers just shut down a talented pair of tight ends and can't stop the run. Hockenson has higher upside on TD's, but Engram has a floor of like 10 points. I don't think this is the week for Hockenson. Kerryon Johnson is the Lions player you want this week.
I think the comparison of Ebron and Doyle to Hockenson is unfair to Hockenson. I also think the QB situation of Matthew Stafford vs Jacoby Brissett is highly tilted in Stafford's favor. I think Engram's floor is actually lower than 7 catches this week, I think the Bills are going to look to take him away. On all this points I think Hockenson is the better play. You have to understand that Hockenson, coming into the NFL, was maybe the most highly thought of TE prospect in NFL history. More than Jeremy Shockey, and the only one I can even say is in the conversation in terms of a prospect would be Vernon Davis. This dude can play, and Stafford is going to go to him. I'm pretty sure we are just going to agree to disagree here, so all that's left is to see who's right on Monday!
I'm not advocating him for a fantasy play, but the guy I think would be a sneaky play is Russell Shepard (for DFS). I'm going to stick him in on of my lineups at least. He played well out of the slot with the first team while Shepard was out with the thumb injury, and Eli has trust in him. He also is a pretty good route runner, and I believe he'll be the beneficiary of the attention being paid by the Buffalo defense to Engram and Barkley.
Hockenson's a great prospect, but Kellen Winslow Jr was arguably ahead of all the guys you mentioned! He was largely a bust, but as a prospect he was right there.
That's fair, and there's some subjectivity to it, and Winslow was taken 6th overall and Hockenson was taken 8th, and I'm aware of the potential for recency bias, but still believe that from a "grade" perspective, Winslow is a little behind the other two. Hockenson more of a complete, overall, dominant force in blocking and receiving, and Davis just a total athletic freak of nature. Winslow ran a 4.62 40 and was strong, but Davis ran a sub-4.4 with a 42" vert. I know, I know, combine and all. Davis also drafted 6th overall.
I remember both of their drafts and although Winslow was a hyped prospect, he was more on the level of Shockey. The hype around both T.J. and Davis was through the roof. On Hockenson, Daniel Jeremiah said Hockenson was the best blocking TE he "has ever seen." And I respect Jeremiah. Add in the fact that he moves like he does (4.70 40, 7.02 3-cone, and 4.18 short shuttle), shows he has exceptional athletic capability as a 'move' TE.
But it's fair to bring up Winslow. In any case, Hockenson certainly is among the very top, elite TEs of any draft class.
My team:
RBs: Cook, DFreeman, AJones, LMurray, JSamuels
WRs: JJSS, TY, Jarvis, Fitz, DK, Hardman
I think early season, Fitz gets the nod. Surer handed, even 13tgts 8rec imo was low catch%. Coming in I thought this O would work nicely as would an improvising QB given his smarts
I like CKirk but should I get him and for who? I'd rather upgrade 4th RB if not add a 6th, not likely to drop one. I'm lowest on Landry early season (tho expect an OBJ injury). But even so would swapping him for Kirk make sense? I get his upside over Fitz, then again is his upside so much better than DK (who's likely to be a huge RZ target w/ tons of speed tho a run heavy O) or Hardman given TH's injury? And for me the big question is Kirk's hands & consistency. ATM those 3 seem like similar bets
I'd love to have Kirk's tgts but don't see the fit. At most, Landry for Kirk? More upside, similar volume if not more, worse hands. But who do I play TY, Kirk, Fitz, DK for 1 or 2 spots? And would that make too many uncertain quantities? Think Ima sit but would love thoughts...
Does the Tyreek Hill owner also own Kirk? I would try to move Hardman for him. I think that only works if it's the Hill owner.
You could also move Latavius Murray if the Kamara owner has Kirk. I know, these are shots in the dark. Yes, you would need to back fill a RB at some point, but I think you could do that with a Rex Burkhead if he's available.
At 8 on WW im down the line to pick him up. Still I would need to like him over my WRs (Fitz might be a wash tho more value now IMO, again maybe Landry, but similar upside to DK & Hardman atm, more vol aside). But would you just drop Landry?
Team at WW 1 picked up Ginn, w/ Diggs, Lockett & Shep at WR, so he might grab CK. Otherwise my thought was trade FOR TColeman on his bench for Landry (maybe Fitz?), put him on IR while out for as long as necessary (even after healthy). Then I have space for Kirk (Mostert if not?)
Then again seems like a whole lot of moves for not a whole lot of addition or clarity of who to play, and some risk to drop lose JL (tho atm my roster can take it)...maybe more upside & an extra RB tho
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JL & RWilson for DS & KMurray
Is it likely to be made? This would swap out an additional & similar WR on my roster for a decent RB & high upside QB both for my bench
Fwiw, he has Cam & said he liked JL this yr. Not a HUGE issue but he might play JL vs NYJ on MNF if we did now