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What’s the fallout in the event of a blow out Sunday ?

Ned In Atlanta : 9/13/2019 9:27 am
A lot of people seemed surprised with the outcome in Dallas. I have said all along this is a 5-6 win team. If the wheels fall off Sunday what’s the fallout?

Obviously, the chatter regarding Jones will only intensify?

Will DG and Shurmur start to get heat yet again, for seeing this as a “retool, not rebuild season”?

Will this coaching staffs seats start to get warm ?
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The line has already dropped...  
Chris in Philly : 9/13/2019 10:42 am : link
a point. Giants are winning.
How far have we fallen?  
Marty866b : 9/13/2019 10:53 am : link
Worried about getting blown out by a mediocre, at best, Buffalo team playing in our home opener.Is it even possible that we are getting worse?
I  
AcidTest : 9/13/2019 10:54 am : link
think if we get blown out, the Giants may start Jones in game four against the Redskins. I don't think they want his first start to be on the road.
Hidding behing Threads  
Bruner4329 : 9/13/2019 10:58 am : link
I really believe some people really hope we lose and get blown out just so Jones can play otherwise why does the same recurring type thread come up twice a day every day. Anyone who feels that way is not a Giants fan and is a Troll. Listen I root for the team no matter who is playing. I want to win and if at some point the losing continues at that point changes will be made.

And more than likely if we lose it is because the defense stinks which means playing anyone including Jones at QB will mean nothing. I as a fan will be miserable because we lost but some of you will be happy because Jones played.

But to start these posts after 1 game is ridiculous.
The Giants lost on Sunday  
Dnew15 : 9/13/2019 10:59 am : link
to the Cowboys b/c they are superior team - talent-wise for sure. Perhaps coaching-wise as well.

Unfortunately, 3/4 of the NFL are better than the Giants right now... talent-wise.

The Bills are in the bottom 1/4 of the league w/ the Giants.
Unfortunately, the Giants will win this game, which will only assure one thing - the Bills will pick ahead of the Giants come April.
RE: The Giants lost on Sunday  
arcarsenal : 9/13/2019 11:02 am : link
In comment 14573954 Dnew15 said:
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to the Cowboys b/c they are superior team - talent-wise for sure. Perhaps coaching-wise as well.

Unfortunately, 3/4 of the NFL are better than the Giants right now... talent-wise.

The Bills are in the bottom 1/4 of the league w/ the Giants.
Unfortunately, the Giants will win this game, which will only assure one thing - the Bills will pick ahead of the Giants come April.


It's "unfortunate" for the Giants to win a game in week 2?

Maybe just don't bother if you're already rooting against your own team.
RE: Hidding behing Threads  
Dnew15 : 9/13/2019 11:05 am : link
In comment 14573951 Bruner4329 said:
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I really believe some people really hope we lose and get blown out just so Jones can play otherwise why does the same recurring type thread come up twice a day every day. Anyone who feels that way is not a Giants fan and is a Troll. Listen I root for the team no matter who is playing. I want to win and if at some point the losing continues at that point changes will be made.

And more than likely if we lose it is because the defense stinks which means playing anyone including Jones at QB will mean nothing. I as a fan will be miserable because we lost but some of you will be happy because Jones played.

But to start these posts after 1 game is ridiculous.


I struggle with this a lot.
I'm a Giants fan - I want them to win...but the realist (pessimist?) in me can't get past the fact that this franchise has been a consistent loser for quite some time now.

Does this make me a bad fan?

It's difficult for me to support some of the decisions the NYG are making right now.
Shurmur  
Les in TO : 9/13/2019 11:07 am : link
Will feel the hot seat but no major in season changes.
There will be no fallout aside from fans and the media creating  
yatqb : 9/13/2019 11:15 am : link
a crisis where there isn’t one.

Most of us said that this is a below .500 team. Most should also have known that it will take time for the young players to develop and for the team to gel.

This is gonna take time. And l can’t imagine that Jones starts until the season is in the dumps. That’s likely around midseason.
RE: RE: A lot of people seemed surprised with the outcome in Dallas.  
ron mexico : 9/13/2019 11:25 am : link
In comment 14573841 Trainmaster said:
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I fully expected Dallas to put up 30+ on the Giants defense, given all the personnel changes and relatively high number of players with a limited number of NFL snaps.

I didn't expect the offense to be as stymied by the combination of the Dallas defense (not all that surprising) AND the lame playcalling / poor use of Barkley etc. I think we probably left 10 to 14 points on the table, which might have led to a closer game (still likely a loss).


Dallas could have easily put up 50. I’d be surprised if we hold buf to u set 28

The sooner we get on with the rebuild, the better.  
mikeinbloomfield : 9/13/2019 11:31 am : link
I would never root against the Giants winning, but maybe losing stops this "we are trying to win while rebuilding" crap.

If we are rebuilding, why aren't we finding out if Jones is the QB of the future? If we are 'trying to win,' why trade every tradeable asset, leaving very little experience on the team?


The sooner it becomes apparent they are not really 'trying to win' the better.
Three first round picks  
averagejoe : 9/13/2019 11:35 am : link
and no pass rusher selected doomed this season. The fantasy that drafting DB's will produce 'coverage' sacks is a fantasy. On Sunday we sent 5 and six guys and did not get close to Prescott. NOBODY can beat the guy in front of him. I don't think a blowout loss will change anything on Sunday. DG is hoping his 2019 picks will improve the team in 2020. This season we are a 4-5 win team.
RE: The sooner we get on with the rebuild, the better.  
arcarsenal : 9/13/2019 11:37 am : link
In comment 14573992 mikeinbloomfield said:
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I would never root against the Giants winning, but maybe losing stops this "we are trying to win while rebuilding" crap.

If we are rebuilding, why aren't we finding out if Jones is the QB of the future? If we are 'trying to win,' why trade every tradeable asset, leaving very little experience on the team?


The sooner it becomes apparent they are not really 'trying to win' the better.


How much more can they possibly "get on with the rebuild" ?

We're very clearly in the middle of one. People wanted this all torn down and rebuilt. That's what's going on here. It takes more than one season to do it.
Probably this.  
St. Jimmy : 9/13/2019 11:39 am : link
Geezus  
Bill L : 9/13/2019 11:40 am : link
You guys all suck.
RE: Three first round picks  
arcarsenal : 9/13/2019 11:42 am : link
In comment 14573995 averagejoe said:
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and no pass rusher selected doomed this season. The fantasy that drafting DB's will produce 'coverage' sacks is a fantasy. On Sunday we sent 5 and six guys and did not get close to Prescott. NOBODY can beat the guy in front of him. I don't think a blowout loss will change anything on Sunday. DG is hoping his 2019 picks will improve the team in 2020. This season we are a 4-5 win team.


They didn't draft DB's with a "coverage sack" fantasy in mind. They drafted them to cover. It didn't work out so well in Week 1... but Corey Ballentine barely played and Baker also did not start.

Antonio Hamilton was awful. There was a portion of the game where Prescott was quite literally just checking who he had in coverage and was attacking him specifically pass after pass and he couldn't stop anything. He should not be starting or even playing... but I guess they didn't feel the younger guys were quite ready for a full complement of snaps quite yet.

I expect a lot more Baker and Ballentine this week and a lot less Antonio Hamilton. He's not one of the guys we just drafted to improve the secondary and was one of the biggest culprits in the mess that went on back there last weekend.

Regardless, if you expected the secondary to look like a well-oiled machine right away, that was never going to happen.

Obviously they need to be a lot better than what they were last week. It's a work in progress back there and we're going to have to deal with some growing pains.

Half of Giants universe wanted Corey Webster gone before the light came on for him and he became a very good CB.
I don’t buy this is a 4-5 win team..  
Sean : 9/13/2019 11:50 am : link
I know the pessimists are out thumping their chest after week 1, but this defense was going to have growing pains. We opened the season in Dallas against a SB contender. None of us expected to compete with Dallas/Philly.

I certainly would hope we can compete against the likes of BUF, TB, WSH (twice), MIA, NYJ, DET & ARI. I expect to see progress as the season moves along.

4-12 would be a massive disappointment to me.
RE: Probably this.  
GiantsUA : 9/13/2019 11:58 am : link
Office chairs should be afraid, very afraid!
We aren't changing any coaches this early in the season ...  
FStubbs : 9/13/2019 12:03 pm : link
... but if the Giants get blown out by Buffalo, I think Bettcher is on notice.

Also, if this team gets blown out by Buffalo, then we're probably at the same level as the Dolphins. Though the only hope is that the young players improve over the course of the year.
RE: I don’t buy this is a 4-5 win team..  
FStubbs : 9/13/2019 12:04 pm : link
In comment 14574015 Sean said:
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I know the pessimists are out thumping their chest after week 1, but this defense was going to have growing pains. We opened the season in Dallas against a SB contender. None of us expected to compete with Dallas/Philly.

I certainly would hope we can compete against the likes of BUF, TB, WSH (twice), MIA, NYJ, DET & ARI. I expect to see progress as the season moves along.

4-12 would be a massive disappointment to me.


As a Giants fan 4-12 would be disappointing, but I think this team could easily be a 3-4 win team and still actually be moving in the right direction. Sometimes you have to eat years like that as part of the rebuilding process, especially when your roster was as rotten as ours has been.
RE: How far have we fallen?  
V.I.G. : 9/13/2019 12:10 pm : link
In comment 14573941 Marty866b said:
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Worried about getting blown out by a mediocre, at best, Buffalo team playing in our home opener.Is it even possible that we are getting worse?

There's ZERO doubt that this defense is currently worse than if it had Vernon, Snacks, Collins. Question is when if ever will Golden, Dexter, and Peppers bridge or exceed that gap.

Twist on the same question, is whether the net moves to improve the offense (O line, less OBJ, plus Tate) will yield more game points than what's lost on Defense.
i THINK  
GMAN56 : 9/13/2019 12:39 pm : link
it all depends on how Eli does. If Eli stinks it up, then possibly we see DJ start but the D has to step up their game too. We have to do what the Jets couldnt do.
Did Eli  
MotownGIANTS : 9/13/2019 1:00 pm : link
cause us to lose last week? No. Did he do enough to get a win? No? Did the OC and HC help him? No. Did the Defense cause the lose? Hecks yeah!!!

Did the OL help the QB? Yes. Did the OL help the RB? Yes.


Do we have enough power on O to truly attack a defense? Yes and No. Can we overpower a defense? No. Can we strategically and methodically attack a defense? Yes.

As I see it now we have really bad to avg OCs/DCs and HC and since the brass replaced piss poor /w subpar there is where the most blame lies at this point ...


Another lose where we are not competitive would begin the circling of the wagon and calling for Eli's head which may not be warranted, however getting Jones seasoned would be ideal. Especially if Shurmur and Co could manage a game better with a QB that can rollout more effectively. But I ask this one question how is it that simply adding 1 type of play going to fix his inability to place together coherent game plans that take advatange of what is happening in the game in real-time?
What happens if the world explodes tomorrow?  
Britt in VA : 9/13/2019 1:06 pm : link
?
This  
Percy : 9/13/2019 1:15 pm : link
Giant fans stop watching.
RE: RE: Three first round picks  
averagejoe : 9/13/2019 2:09 pm : link
In comment 14574009 arcarsenal said:
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and no pass rusher selected doomed this season. The fantasy that drafting DB's will produce 'coverage' sacks is a fantasy. On Sunday we sent 5 and six guys and did not get close to Prescott. NOBODY can beat the guy in front of him. I don't think a blowout loss will change anything on Sunday. DG is hoping his 2019 picks will improve the team in 2020. This season we are a 4-5 win team.



They didn't draft DB's with a "coverage sack" fantasy in mind. They drafted them to cover. It didn't work out so well in Week 1... but Corey Ballentine barely played and Baker also did not start.

Antonio Hamilton was awful. There was a portion of the game where Prescott was quite literally just checking who he had in coverage and was attacking him specifically pass after pass and he couldn't stop anything. He should not be starting or even playing... but I guess they didn't feel the younger guys were quite ready for a full complement of snaps quite yet.

I expect a lot more Baker and Ballentine this week and a lot less Antonio Hamilton. He's not one of the guys we just drafted to improve the secondary and was one of the biggest culprits in the mess that went on back there last weekend.

Regardless, if you expected the secondary to look like a well-oiled machine right away, that was never going to happen.

Obviously they need to be a lot better than what they were last week. It's a work in progress back there and we're going to have to deal with some growing pains.

Half of Giants universe wanted Corey Webster gone before the light came on for him and he became a very good CB.

I agree secondary will need time. To be clear the coverage sack fantasy was not a DG fantasy it was a BBI fantasy.
You’re not familiar with the giants season blowing up this soon  
djm : 9/13/2019 2:19 pm : link
By now?

This isn’t 2013.

I just want to escape football. I think I get why some fans quit. It’s too fucking painful anymore. I wish I was just a causal fan and didn’t live and die with toilet stained team.
None  
arniefez : 9/13/2019 2:28 pm : link
Absolutely zero. We're not even half way through the second lost weekend of my Giants fandom. The First one lasted 16 years from 1965-1981. This one can't be longer can it? This is year 7.
RE: You’re not familiar with the giants season blowing up this soon  
arcarsenal : 9/13/2019 2:31 pm : link
In comment 14574294 djm said:
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By now?

This isn’t 2013.

I just want to escape football. I think I get why some fans quit. It’s too fucking painful anymore. I wish I was just a causal fan and didn’t live and die with toilet stained team.


It doesn't need to be painful. Perspective helps...
Hopefully the Giants win as they sure could use some positive vibes.  
Jimmy Googs : 9/13/2019 3:01 pm : link
If they lose then expect the BBI threads will cover these likely themes:

- Is this the worst Giant defense ever?
- Pick the game Daniel Jones likely starts
- Is Pat Shurmur on the hot seat?
- Playcalling Needs to change
- Do the Giants actually practice?

And of course buried within several of these will be the ever-popular topic of how bad referee calls only negatively affected the Giants...
RE: RE: The sooner we get on with the rebuild, the better.  
mikeinbloomfield : 9/13/2019 3:40 pm : link
In comment 14574001 arcarsenal said:
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I would never root against the Giants winning, but maybe losing stops this "we are trying to win while rebuilding" crap.

If we are rebuilding, why aren't we finding out if Jones is the QB of the future? If we are 'trying to win,' why trade every tradeable asset, leaving very little experience on the team?


The sooner it becomes apparent they are not really 'trying to win' the better.



How much more can they possibly "get on with the rebuild" ?

We're very clearly in the middle of one. People wanted this all torn down and rebuilt. That's what's going on here. It takes more than one season to do it.



Then why are we playing Eli? Why is he even on the team, taking up cap space we could use for depth? If we are rebuilding, then why aren't we finding out exactly what we have in the rookie at the most important position?
Because we aren’t in any particular hurry  
Jimmy Googs : 9/13/2019 3:44 pm : link
...
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/13/2019 4:16 pm : link
the latest dupe created to shit on Eli has spoken!!

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Junior22 : 10:18 am : link : reply
In comment 14573855 Toth029 said:



BBI has posted this same thing for 6 years. Give me a break


How the fuck would you know? You just joined, Chief.
RE: i THINK  
Andrew in Austin : 9/13/2019 4:37 pm : link
In comment 14574097 GMAN56 said:
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it all depends on how Eli does. If Eli stinks it up, then possibly we see DJ start but the D has to step up their game too. We have to do what the Jets couldnt do.


I just don't know who Eli is going to throw to this week? Our top 3 wideouts are out. He can be completely on and have miserable stats . . .

Shurmur better run the hell out of Saquon this week.
RE: RE: RE: The sooner we get on with the rebuild, the better.  
arcarsenal : 9/13/2019 5:14 pm : link
In comment 14574401 mikeinbloomfield said:
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In comment 14574001 arcarsenal said:


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In comment 14573992 mikeinbloomfield said:


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I would never root against the Giants winning, but maybe losing stops this "we are trying to win while rebuilding" crap.

If we are rebuilding, why aren't we finding out if Jones is the QB of the future? If we are 'trying to win,' why trade every tradeable asset, leaving very little experience on the team?


The sooner it becomes apparent they are not really 'trying to win' the better.



How much more can they possibly "get on with the rebuild" ?

We're very clearly in the middle of one. People wanted this all torn down and rebuilt. That's what's going on here. It takes more than one season to do it.




Then why are we playing Eli? Why is he even on the team, taking up cap space we could use for depth? If we are rebuilding, then why aren't we finding out exactly what we have in the rookie at the most important position?


He's going to play and he'll get plenty of playing time this year. Relax.
RE: RE: You’re not familiar with the giants season blowing up this soon  
djm : 9/13/2019 7:45 pm : link
In comment 14574319 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 14574294 djm said:


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By now?

This isn’t 2013.

I just want to escape football. I think I get why some fans quit. It’s too fucking painful anymore. I wish I was just a causal fan and didn’t live and die with toilet stained team.



It doesn't need to be painful. Perspective helps...


I know... I’m trying to shorten my memory shit I preach this all the time. What happened from 2013-2017 doesn’t matter anymore. New regime. New players. New directive bla bla...

It’s just that these blowout divisional losses are wearing me out.

I’ll never forget that moment in 2008 when I was walking out of the stadium after another one of the giants awesome performances. Even in the 80s, I never felt like that before. Defending champs and just killing everyone. I figured it was just our time. Then reality check. Then we rebounded in 2011 and win it again. I never thought we’d be this bad for this long. Never thought we’d eclipse the mid 90s in terms of suck.

Worse, I never imagined we’d have to come to grips with another wilderness that mirrors 1964-1981. Were over halfway there....
If the Giants get blown out Sunday  
justafan : 9/13/2019 7:57 pm : link
then I predict a 2 or 3 win season. One of those wins being Washington, we seem to always get at least one against them. The other one or two being Miami and Arizona. That my friends, is dismal.

The Giants will win Sunday.
To the OP s embedded pt.  
joeinpa : 9/13/2019 9:35 pm : link
The Giants have been retooling rather than rebuilding for the past 7 years, all based on Eli s previous success in the play offs
Why is this even a thread  
Danny Dimes : 9/13/2019 9:47 pm : link
Bills suck, im sure Grandpa Eli can handle them. Its still better letting me start so I can start practicing and seeing if anything wrong with my dimes I throw. Even though I know there is absolutely nothing wrong with my throws.
I'll start rooting for loses  
Steve in ATL : 9/13/2019 9:53 pm : link
if they lose this weekend.
RE: Buffalo shouldn't be blowing out anyone.  
Hammer : 9/13/2019 11:09 pm : link
In comment 14573881 Brown Recluse said:
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If that were to happen, we'd seriously need to consider James Bettcher on the hot seat. He's supposed to be a good coach...and he's brought over all these guys from Arizona over the past couple years that "know his system," so these miscommunication issues shouldn't continue to be so prevalent.

That said, I can see the Giants losing but not in a blow out. They need to be 2-2 after four games or Metlife is going to get ugly.


I just had a terrible feeling that tonight I saw the best Giant game that I will see this season.
Bettcher  
LeftHook : 9/13/2019 11:55 pm : link
After watching his D completely shit the bed, and then review the Dallas game tape. Blown coverages, receivers wide open, miss tackles etc etc... Film room every day boys. Oh and zero pressure. Plenty of blame all around.
RE: RE: The only thing that surprised me in Dallas  
santacruzom : 9/14/2019 2:15 am : link
In comment 14573867 x meadowlander said:
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was that the Giants didnt score more points.

This defense is going to need time to gel


There'll be no blowout this Sunday, its going to be a 20-17 game either way. Hopefully the Giants can figure out how to win this one because an 0-2 start for the third year in a row will be miserable

You weren't surprised by 5 consecutive TD's?

No I'm not surprised Dallas put up 30+. I am surprised by 5 straight. Alarmed.

We were HEALTHY.


I would not have predicted 5 straight TDs, but once they scored two in the fashion they did, it was evident they could only be stopped by a mistake.

As if now it just looks like no one on the D is as good as anyone may have thought they were. Not Hill, not Carter, not Baker, Peppers, or Tomlinson. Not McIntosh. No one!
RE: If the Giants get blown out Sunday  
Nine-Tails : 9/14/2019 9:32 am : link
In comment 14574568 justafan said:
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then I predict a 2 or 3 win season. One of those wins being Washington, we seem to always get at least one against them. The other one or two being Miami and Arizona. That my friends, is dismal.

The Giants will win Sunday.


I think a lot are underestimating Buffalo, when saying we're going to win tomorrow. They have a very good defense and we're lacking in weapons. Also, our defense could be what the doctor ordered for Allen. I definitely expect it to be difficult
While I am not a big fan of QB Allen's game his tendencies  
Jimmy Googs : 9/14/2019 10:29 am : link
to want to take off running is a problem for a team that lacks anything good at linebacker to track him down and tackle him.

And I'm fairly sure our safeties and corners were read the riot act in practice/film this week so imagine they will be focused on their coverage responsibilities.

I could see a game where our defense plays better but is still not getting off the field...
I think we are heading for a Knicks like tailspin  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/14/2019 10:36 am : link
they didnt handle the transition from their NY sports icon Ewing well, and the Giants already shit the bed with ELi.

Yankees were professonials with Jeter.
RE: I think we are heading for a Knicks like tailspin  
djm : 9/14/2019 2:53 pm : link
In comment 14574848 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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they didnt handle the transition from their NY sports icon Ewing well, and the Giants already shit the bed with ELi.

Yankees were professonials with Jeter.


Oh please. No. The yanks just weren’t terrible when jeter was on his way out and better yet, the yanks had won 5 titles the prior 15 years. And again, they weren’t terrible. That tends to help.

Oh I forgot, Eli IS the reason why the giants have sucked these last 5-6 seasons. Hence, the giants fucked things up by employing the guy directly responsible. Never mind that if the giants cut Eli they’d still be paying him big money this season.
Soooo much stupid  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/14/2019 4:48 pm : link
A blow out? Buffalo is not a great team. And as much as we all hate Dallas only a 6 year old wouldn’t admit they have about as deep and well rounded a team in the NFL.

Easily the best or top 3 OL. Elliot one of the best weapons in the game. Their D is loaded. Buffalo is now their level. Wtf
RE: Probably this.  
micky : 9/14/2019 5:10 pm : link
In comment 14574004 St. Jimmy said:
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He don't like that chair!
RE: Soooo much stupid  
santacruzom : 9/14/2019 7:27 pm : link
In comment 14575124 LauderdaleMatty said:
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A blow out? Buffalo is not a great team. And as much as we all hate Dallas only a 6 year old wouldn’t admit they have about as deep and well rounded a team in the NFL.

Easily the best or top 3 OL. Elliot one of the best weapons in the game. Their D is loaded. Buffalo is now their level. Wtf


Maybe this is superstitious, but careful: calling pessimism "stupid" around here tends to backfire spectacularly.
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