A lot of people seemed surprised with the outcome in Dallas. I have said all along this is a 5-6 win team. If the wheels fall off Sunday what’s the fallout?
Obviously, the chatter regarding Jones will only intensify?
Will DG and Shurmur start to get heat yet again, for seeing this as a “retool, not rebuild season”?
Will this coaching staffs seats start to get warm ?
But they’re not going to lose.
Daniel Jones gets the start in Tampa, Bethea and possibly Ogletree are blamed, shamed and benched - we'll start seeing a LOT more of Connelly, Love and Ballentine.
Daniel Jones gets the start in Tampa, Bethea and possibly Ogletree are blamed, shamed and benched - we'll start seeing a LOT more of Connelly, Love and Ballentine.
Next season will be time to win some fucking games.
Til then, enjoy watching a few Barkley highlights each game. :)
I didn't expect the offense to be as stymied by the combination of the Dallas defense (not all that surprising) AND the lame playcalling / poor use of Barkley etc. I think we probably left 10 to 14 points on the table, which might have led to a closer game (still likely a loss).
This defense is going to need time to gel
There'll be no blowout this Sunday, its going to be a 20-17 game either way. Hopefully the Giants can figure out how to win this one because an 0-2 start for the third year in a row will be miserable
This defense is going to need time to gel
There'll be no blowout this Sunday, its going to be a 20-17 game either way. Hopefully the Giants can figure out how to win this one because an 0-2 start for the third year in a row will be miserable
No I'm not surprised Dallas put up 30+. I am surprised by 5 straight. Alarmed.
We were HEALTHY.
This.
We can discuss being blown out if we get blown out. I don't think we're going to get blown out. It's the Bills... not the Patriots.
That said, I can see the Giants losing but not in a blow out. They need to be 2-2 after four games or Metlife is going to get ugly.
And, the Giants had opportunities to get back in the game in the first half that were squandered by poor playcalling and lack of use of Barkley.
Yes, the heat would be turned up on blowing it up if the game is non-competitive and they don't improve. I think they stay the course going into Tampa regardless.
If Tampa crushes them, the case could be made that DJ starts against the Redskins the following week.
The other thing to keep in mind is that Eli's record as a starter is 116-115. He is in danger of being a sub .500 starter for his career. I doubt that is on the minds in any decision but I thought it was interesting.
BBI has posted this same thing for 6 years. Give me a break
And more than likely if we lose it is because the defense stinks which means playing anyone including Jones at QB will mean nothing. I as a fan will be miserable because we lost but some of you will be happy because Jones played.
But to start these posts after 1 game is ridiculous.
Unfortunately, 3/4 of the NFL are better than the Giants right now... talent-wise.
The Bills are in the bottom 1/4 of the league w/ the Giants.
Unfortunately, the Giants will win this game, which will only assure one thing - the Bills will pick ahead of the Giants come April.
Unfortunately, 3/4 of the NFL are better than the Giants right now... talent-wise.
The Bills are in the bottom 1/4 of the league w/ the Giants.
Unfortunately, the Giants will win this game, which will only assure one thing - the Bills will pick ahead of the Giants come April.
It's "unfortunate" for the Giants to win a game in week 2?
Maybe just don't bother if you're already rooting against your own team.
And more than likely if we lose it is because the defense stinks which means playing anyone including Jones at QB will mean nothing. I as a fan will be miserable because we lost but some of you will be happy because Jones played.
But to start these posts after 1 game is ridiculous.
I struggle with this a lot.
I'm a Giants fan - I want them to win...but the realist (pessimist?) in me can't get past the fact that this franchise has been a consistent loser for quite some time now.
Does this make me a bad fan?
It's difficult for me to support some of the decisions the NYG are making right now.
Most of us said that this is a below .500 team. Most should also have known that it will take time for the young players to develop and for the team to gel.
This is gonna take time. And l can’t imagine that Jones starts until the season is in the dumps. That’s likely around midseason.
I didn't expect the offense to be as stymied by the combination of the Dallas defense (not all that surprising) AND the lame playcalling / poor use of Barkley etc. I think we probably left 10 to 14 points on the table, which might have led to a closer game (still likely a loss).
Dallas could have easily put up 50. I’d be surprised if we hold buf to u set 28
If we are rebuilding, why aren't we finding out if Jones is the QB of the future? If we are 'trying to win,' why trade every tradeable asset, leaving very little experience on the team?
The sooner it becomes apparent they are not really 'trying to win' the better.
If we are rebuilding, why aren't we finding out if Jones is the QB of the future? If we are 'trying to win,' why trade every tradeable asset, leaving very little experience on the team?
The sooner it becomes apparent they are not really 'trying to win' the better.
How much more can they possibly "get on with the rebuild" ?
We're very clearly in the middle of one. People wanted this all torn down and rebuilt. That's what's going on here. It takes more than one season to do it.
They didn't draft DB's with a "coverage sack" fantasy in mind. They drafted them to cover. It didn't work out so well in Week 1... but Corey Ballentine barely played and Baker also did not start.
Antonio Hamilton was awful. There was a portion of the game where Prescott was quite literally just checking who he had in coverage and was attacking him specifically pass after pass and he couldn't stop anything. He should not be starting or even playing... but I guess they didn't feel the younger guys were quite ready for a full complement of snaps quite yet.
I expect a lot more Baker and Ballentine this week and a lot less Antonio Hamilton. He's not one of the guys we just drafted to improve the secondary and was one of the biggest culprits in the mess that went on back there last weekend.
Regardless, if you expected the secondary to look like a well-oiled machine right away, that was never going to happen.
Obviously they need to be a lot better than what they were last week. It's a work in progress back there and we're going to have to deal with some growing pains.
Half of Giants universe wanted Corey Webster gone before the light came on for him and he became a very good CB.
I certainly would hope we can compete against the likes of BUF, TB, WSH (twice), MIA, NYJ, DET & ARI. I expect to see progress as the season moves along.
4-12 would be a massive disappointment to me.
Also, if this team gets blown out by Buffalo, then we're probably at the same level as the Dolphins. Though the only hope is that the young players improve over the course of the year.
I certainly would hope we can compete against the likes of BUF, TB, WSH (twice), MIA, NYJ, DET & ARI. I expect to see progress as the season moves along.
4-12 would be a massive disappointment to me.
As a Giants fan 4-12 would be disappointing, but I think this team could easily be a 3-4 win team and still actually be moving in the right direction. Sometimes you have to eat years like that as part of the rebuilding process, especially when your roster was as rotten as ours has been.
There's ZERO doubt that this defense is currently worse than if it had Vernon, Snacks, Collins. Question is when if ever will Golden, Dexter, and Peppers bridge or exceed that gap.
Twist on the same question, is whether the net moves to improve the offense (O line, less OBJ, plus Tate) will yield more game points than what's lost on Defense.
Did the OL help the QB? Yes. Did the OL help the RB? Yes.
Do we have enough power on O to truly attack a defense? Yes and No. Can we overpower a defense? No. Can we strategically and methodically attack a defense? Yes.
As I see it now we have really bad to avg OCs/DCs and HC and since the brass replaced piss poor /w subpar there is where the most blame lies at this point ...
Another lose where we are not competitive would begin the circling of the wagon and calling for Eli's head which may not be warranted, however getting Jones seasoned would be ideal. Especially if Shurmur and Co could manage a game better with a QB that can rollout more effectively. But I ask this one question how is it that simply adding 1 type of play going to fix his inability to place together coherent game plans that take advatange of what is happening in the game in real-time?
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and no pass rusher selected doomed this season. The fantasy that drafting DB's will produce 'coverage' sacks is a fantasy. On Sunday we sent 5 and six guys and did not get close to Prescott. NOBODY can beat the guy in front of him. I don't think a blowout loss will change anything on Sunday. DG is hoping his 2019 picks will improve the team in 2020. This season we are a 4-5 win team.
They didn't draft DB's with a "coverage sack" fantasy in mind. They drafted them to cover. It didn't work out so well in Week 1... but Corey Ballentine barely played and Baker also did not start.
Antonio Hamilton was awful. There was a portion of the game where Prescott was quite literally just checking who he had in coverage and was attacking him specifically pass after pass and he couldn't stop anything. He should not be starting or even playing... but I guess they didn't feel the younger guys were quite ready for a full complement of snaps quite yet.
I expect a lot more Baker and Ballentine this week and a lot less Antonio Hamilton. He's not one of the guys we just drafted to improve the secondary and was one of the biggest culprits in the mess that went on back there last weekend.
Regardless, if you expected the secondary to look like a well-oiled machine right away, that was never going to happen.
Obviously they need to be a lot better than what they were last week. It's a work in progress back there and we're going to have to deal with some growing pains.
Half of Giants universe wanted Corey Webster gone before the light came on for him and he became a very good CB.
I agree secondary will need time. To be clear the coverage sack fantasy was not a DG fantasy it was a BBI fantasy.
This isn’t 2013.
I just want to escape football. I think I get why some fans quit. It’s too fucking painful anymore. I wish I was just a causal fan and didn’t live and die with toilet stained team.
This isn’t 2013.
I just want to escape football. I think I get why some fans quit. It’s too fucking painful anymore. I wish I was just a causal fan and didn’t live and die with toilet stained team.
It doesn't need to be painful. Perspective helps...
- Is this the worst Giant defense ever?
- Pick the game Daniel Jones likely starts
- Is Pat Shurmur on the hot seat?
- Playcalling Needs to change
- Do the Giants actually practice?
And of course buried within several of these will be the ever-popular topic of how bad referee calls only negatively affected the Giants...
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I would never root against the Giants winning, but maybe losing stops this "we are trying to win while rebuilding" crap.
If we are rebuilding, why aren't we finding out if Jones is the QB of the future? If we are 'trying to win,' why trade every tradeable asset, leaving very little experience on the team?
The sooner it becomes apparent they are not really 'trying to win' the better.
How much more can they possibly "get on with the rebuild" ?
We're very clearly in the middle of one. People wanted this all torn down and rebuilt. That's what's going on here. It takes more than one season to do it.
Then why are we playing Eli? Why is he even on the team, taking up cap space we could use for depth? If we are rebuilding, then why aren't we finding out exactly what we have in the rookie at the most important position?
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BBI has posted this same thing for 6 years. Give me a break
How the fuck would you know? You just joined, Chief.
I just don't know who Eli is going to throw to this week? Our top 3 wideouts are out. He can be completely on and have miserable stats . . .
Shurmur better run the hell out of Saquon this week.
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I would never root against the Giants winning, but maybe losing stops this "we are trying to win while rebuilding" crap.
If we are rebuilding, why aren't we finding out if Jones is the QB of the future? If we are 'trying to win,' why trade every tradeable asset, leaving very little experience on the team?
The sooner it becomes apparent they are not really 'trying to win' the better.
How much more can they possibly "get on with the rebuild" ?
We're very clearly in the middle of one. People wanted this all torn down and rebuilt. That's what's going on here. It takes more than one season to do it.
Then why are we playing Eli? Why is he even on the team, taking up cap space we could use for depth? If we are rebuilding, then why aren't we finding out exactly what we have in the rookie at the most important position?
He's going to play and he'll get plenty of playing time this year. Relax.
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By now?
This isn’t 2013.
I just want to escape football. I think I get why some fans quit. It’s too fucking painful anymore. I wish I was just a causal fan and didn’t live and die with toilet stained team.
It doesn't need to be painful. Perspective helps...
I know... I’m trying to shorten my memory shit I preach this all the time. What happened from 2013-2017 doesn’t matter anymore. New regime. New players. New directive bla bla...
It’s just that these blowout divisional losses are wearing me out.
I’ll never forget that moment in 2008 when I was walking out of the stadium after another one of the giants awesome performances. Even in the 80s, I never felt like that before. Defending champs and just killing everyone. I figured it was just our time. Then reality check. Then we rebounded in 2011 and win it again. I never thought we’d be this bad for this long. Never thought we’d eclipse the mid 90s in terms of suck.
Worse, I never imagined we’d have to come to grips with another wilderness that mirrors 1964-1981. Were over halfway there....
The Giants will win Sunday.
That said, I can see the Giants losing but not in a blow out. They need to be 2-2 after four games or Metlife is going to get ugly.
I just had a terrible feeling that tonight I saw the best Giant game that I will see this season.
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was that the Giants didnt score more points.
This defense is going to need time to gel
There'll be no blowout this Sunday, its going to be a 20-17 game either way. Hopefully the Giants can figure out how to win this one because an 0-2 start for the third year in a row will be miserable
You weren't surprised by 5 consecutive TD's?
No I'm not surprised Dallas put up 30+. I am surprised by 5 straight. Alarmed.
We were HEALTHY.
I would not have predicted 5 straight TDs, but once they scored two in the fashion they did, it was evident they could only be stopped by a mistake.
As if now it just looks like no one on the D is as good as anyone may have thought they were. Not Hill, not Carter, not Baker, Peppers, or Tomlinson. Not McIntosh. No one!
The Giants will win Sunday.
I think a lot are underestimating Buffalo, when saying we're going to win tomorrow. They have a very good defense and we're lacking in weapons. Also, our defense could be what the doctor ordered for Allen. I definitely expect it to be difficult
And I'm fairly sure our safeties and corners were read the riot act in practice/film this week so imagine they will be focused on their coverage responsibilities.
I could see a game where our defense plays better but is still not getting off the field...
Yankees were professonials with Jeter.
Yankees were professonials with Jeter.
Oh please. No. The yanks just weren’t terrible when jeter was on his way out and better yet, the yanks had won 5 titles the prior 15 years. And again, they weren’t terrible. That tends to help.
Oh I forgot, Eli IS the reason why the giants have sucked these last 5-6 seasons. Hence, the giants fucked things up by employing the guy directly responsible. Never mind that if the giants cut Eli they’d still be paying him big money this season.
Easily the best or top 3 OL. Elliot one of the best weapons in the game. Their D is loaded. Buffalo is now their level. Wtf
He don't like that chair!
Easily the best or top 3 OL. Elliot one of the best weapons in the game. Their D is loaded. Buffalo is now their level. Wtf
Maybe this is superstitious, but careful: calling pessimism "stupid" around here tends to backfire spectacularly.