If college players got paid for their worth to their college, I don’t think any college athlete in the last 15 years would’ve received more money than Tebow.
But it’s definitely easy for him to say this considering his family background and how much success he has had post-college financially.
He is a guy whose opinion I still value on this topic but it doesn’t sway me one way or another.
I am not sure there is a clear cut answer to solving. Most potential solutions will probably brings many shortcomings.
The easiest thing might be for the NFL and soon XFL to allow high school students to enter directly to the pros. Obviously, the downside is that many won't make it and then they don't have a education to fall back on.
I just think you open up so many negative things allow student athletes to market themselves will lead to even more corruption.
is the compensation. The players signed up for this. If they want to pay them, then drop the scholarships and offer them up to other kids. Can't have it both ways.
is the compensation. The players signed up for this. If they want to pay them, then drop the scholarships and offer them up to other kids. Can't have it both ways.
is the compensation. The players signed up for this. If they want to pay them, then drop the scholarships and offer them up to other kids. Can't have it both ways.
Room and board is part of their payment for making millions for schools?
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Tebow is a solid citizen, you don't have to like him or his skills...but he is more of a humanitarian than most NFL/MLB players.
I love Tebow. Met him probably 500 times since his first college game. Extremely nice person. Also don't take away from current NFL players to try to backup Tebow. There are 100s of players who do great things in the community and for various charities that you never hear about.
He's deeply religious and, in the 21st century, is actually saving himself for marriage. How is anybody surprised that he is supporting tradition and a deeply rooted organization?
He's not a bad guy by any stretch, quite the opposite by all accounts. This is how's he's wired.
the people whose show it is asked him and many people still care what he thinks, since as he pointed out in the interview (which you likely didn't watch) while at Florida, his jersey sales were #3 in the sports world after LeBron and Kobe, so someone - the NCAA or Florida or both - made a shitload of money off his name and he didn't see a dime of it directly.
So, like I said I disagree with him, but he is kind of an authority on this topic and his opinion is valuable or at least interesting to many is one who was likely more exploited by the situation than most.
is the compensation. The players signed up for this. If they want to pay them, then drop the scholarships and offer them up to other kids. Can't have it both ways.
Generally, I would agree that the value of college education has been diminished in these discussions. However, when I'm watching ESPN and they're promoting the next Duke game with pictures and highlights of Zion Williamson (as an example), it's obvious they're using his likeness to promote their business and make money without compensating the player. That's simply unfair.
the people whose show it is asked him and many people still care what he thinks, since as he pointed out in the interview (which you likely didn't watch) while at Florida, his jersey sales were #3 in the sports world after LeBron and Kobe, so someone - the NCAA or Florida or both - made a shitload of money off his name and he didn't see a dime of it directly.
So, like I said I disagree with him, but he is kind of an authority on this topic and his opinion is valuable or at least interesting to many is one who was likely more exploited by the situation than most.
I disagree with him too, but I know for a fact that plenty of his college teammates made money off their name :)
than when I found out water is wet. I'm sure the minor league professional football labor pool couldn't think of a guy who is a better fit to speak for their demographic than Tim Tebow.
These kids are already highly compensated, and not just the tuition, room, and board.
Paying college FB players will ruin the sport.
What is the other high-level compensation to which you are referring?
Tons of free gear
State of the art study facilities
State of the art Workout Facilities
Free Tutors
Special Food
And the ability to showcase their talent for the NFL so they can make millions.
These kids are already highly compensated, and not just the tuition, room, and board.
Paying college FB players will ruin the sport.
What is the other high-level compensation to which you are referring?
Tons of free gear
State of the art study facilities
State of the art Workout Facilities
Free Tutors
Special Food
And the ability to showcase their talent for the NFL so they can make millions.
"fuck Tebow" responses (which are absolutely brilliant by the way), did you even hear his side? I did. He made a thoughtful and compelling argument. "Fuck Tim Tebow" is why our country is the way it is right now. It's sad, ignorant and disrespectful.
These kids are already highly compensated, and not just the tuition, room, and board.
Paying college FB players will ruin the sport.
What is the other high-level compensation to which you are referring?
Tons of free gear
State of the art study facilities
State of the art Workout Facilities
Free Tutors
Special Food
And the ability to showcase their talent for the NFL so they can make millions.
Two percent of college players make it to the NFL. Only the superstars of those 2% ever make millions.
I'm sure some of that other 98% would appreciate making money off their own likeness.
These kids are already highly compensated, and not just the tuition, room, and board.
Paying college FB players will ruin the sport.
What is the other high-level compensation to which you are referring?
Tons of free gear
State of the art study facilities
State of the art Workout Facilities
Free Tutors
Special Food
And the ability to showcase their talent for the NFL so they can make millions.
A lot of these high profile recruits coming from the inner city riding around campus in Land Rovers and BMW's but they're not getting paid, nothing to see here!
"fuck Tebow" responses (which are absolutely brilliant by the way), did you even hear his side? I did. He made a thoughtful and compelling argument. "Fuck Tim Tebow" is why our country is the way it is right now. It's sad, ignorant and disrespectful.
People say Fuck Tim Tebow because he says things like "I didn't want to get paid" Yeh no shit Tim you came from a privileged background and were a sure thing to make the NFL. The guy is completely disingenuous like many others that proselytize.
These kids are already highly compensated, and not just the tuition, room, and board.
Paying college FB players will ruin the sport.
What is the other high-level compensation to which you are referring?
Tons of free gear
State of the art study facilities
State of the art Workout Facilities
Free Tutors
Special Food
And the ability to showcase their talent for the NFL so they can make millions.
A lot of these high profile recruits coming from the inner city riding around campus in Land Rovers and BMW's but they're not getting paid, nothing to see here!
A lot of them ride around on vespa like scooters actually.
These kids are already highly compensated, and not just the tuition, room, and board.
Paying college FB players will ruin the sport.
What is the other high-level compensation to which you are referring?
Tons of free gear
State of the art study facilities
State of the art Workout Facilities
Free Tutors
Special Food
And the ability to showcase their talent for the NFL so they can make millions.
A lot of these high profile recruits coming from the inner city riding around campus in Land Rovers and BMW's but they're not getting paid, nothing to see here!
A lot of them ride around on vespa like scooters actually.
These kids are already highly compensated, and not just the tuition, room, and board.
Paying college FB players will ruin the sport.
What is the other high-level compensation to which you are referring?
Tons of free gear
State of the art study facilities
State of the art Workout Facilities
Free Tutors
Special Food
And the ability to showcase their talent for the NFL so they can make millions.
A lot of these high profile recruits coming from the inner city riding around campus in Land Rovers and BMW's but they're not getting paid, nothing to see here!
A lot of them ride around on vespa like scooters actually.
"fuck Tebow" responses (which are absolutely brilliant by the way), did you even hear his side? I did. He made a thoughtful and compelling argument. "Fuck Tim Tebow" is why our country is the way it is right now. It's sad, ignorant and disrespectful.
People say Fuck Tim Tebow because he says things like "I didn't want to get paid" Yeh no shit Tim you came from a privileged background and were a sure thing to make the NFL. The guy is completely disingenuous like many others that proselytize.
How is he disingenuous or a hypocrite for having his own opinion? I think the NCAA is wrong when it comes to athletes making money on their celebrity, but I do not think the school should be involved in playing players. But Tebow is right about the reason that people love college football is the at least perception that it's about the school and not about the money. Whether or not that's valid or you agree or disagree the potential is there that this will actually destroy the college game.
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These kids are already highly compensated, and not just the tuition, room, and board.
Paying college FB players will ruin the sport.
What is the other high-level compensation to which you are referring?
Tons of free gear
State of the art study facilities
State of the art Workout Facilities
Free Tutors
Special Food
And the ability to showcase their talent for the NFL so they can make millions.
A lot of these high profile recruits coming from the inner city riding around campus in Land Rovers and BMW's but they're not getting paid, nothing to see here!
A lot of them ride around on vespa like scooters actually.
"fuck Tebow" responses (which are absolutely brilliant by the way), did you even hear his side? I did. He made a thoughtful and compelling argument.
I don't see anything compelling or particularly thoughtful in his argument. I find it fairly nonsensical. He said that athletes being able to market their likeness would transform college sports from being about "we" and "the team" to being about "me". That doesn't really make any sense - there's no reason to think that athletes being able to sell t-shirts with their names on it would somehow erode the sense of team that these guys have. (It also seems kind of ignorant of the reality that many college athletes already have a pretty strong "me" attitude).
He further says that it would change things to players going to who has the most money. That doesn't make any sense, since we're not talking about schools paying players - any money would come from the players' selling their likeness on their own. Sure, the ability to do that is impacted by how high-profile a program is, but it's hardly a direct connection, and again, it's pretty ignorant of the reality that players flock to the most profile programs already. Allowing guys to sell those t-shirts isn't going to change the fact that the top programs load up on the top players year after year after year.
If there's a compelling argument that allowing players to profit from their likeness would destroy college athletics, Tebow hasn't made it.
People love college football because they feel a part of the team Â
as alumni or local residents. College is so much different than the NFL in this aspect. There is no town that is dedicated to an NFL team like there are colleges. Being in a college town, everything is about the college.
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These kids are already highly compensated, and not just the tuition, room, and board.
Paying college FB players will ruin the sport.
What is the other high-level compensation to which you are referring?
Tons of free gear
State of the art study facilities
State of the art Workout Facilities
Free Tutors
Special Food
And the ability to showcase their talent for the NFL so they can make millions.
A lot of these high profile recruits coming from the inner city riding around campus in Land Rovers and BMW's but they're not getting paid, nothing to see here!
A lot of them ride around on vespa like scooters actually.
I'd say 90% use scooters, public transportation or have a friend/significant other drive them around. Quite possibly much higher then that.
Of course you're right, because only the top star athletes are the ones getting the real bennies.
I was around this situation for a long time. Even the top star athletes aren't getting the money you think. Maybe a small handful. Not to mention we have no idea if their parents or family member got them a car knowing they'll be able to pay it back. I've paid guys who've turned into NBA All Stars, Pro Bowlers & champions in their respective pro sport. National Champions in football & basketball. They certainly aren't being fairly compensated. If they were they wouldn't be taking the little money I could afford to pay them.
This is more or less a problem kids have with the NFL Â
if Kids want to make money based on their football skills, then work for a football team.. NFL shouldn't be able to dictate who a football teams hires to play.. they should have a minor league.. and pay for it out of their own pocket..
Colleges is also at fault.. they are using the NFL's abusive powers to get money and abuse the kids.. but they are not the root cause
On the kids front, 96+% of the kids have no hope for NFL anyhow.. it would be stupid of them to play football for college unless they are actually using the free scholarship to get a worthwhile degree and learning something so they can get a good job after college.. Reality is most of these kids just want the popularity in college and money.. they couldn't care less about actually going to a school where they may learn something and get an actual degree.. if they did then actually would still be fine..
Engineers, medical students, math and science majors don't struggle to maintain a middle class family.. which is something you can't even say about most NFL players after they retire..
get more from the schools with out getting paid. They should be able to ask for more compensation allowing things like not just their tution but tution for any of their current or future dependents, lifetime or extended medical coverage and some type of insurance against lost wadges due to injury.
I think the schools should be required to invest a percentage of revenue into a fund to support these type of programs to provide for these kids and their future familes. Its the least they could do since they do.
Football, outside of the Major programs. You start paying and how do you determine who gets paid what? Does the third string QB at Clemson getting paid the same as Trevor Lawrence, does DeVito at Syracuse get paid the same as Lawrence? You open up a huge can of worms. Guys that can play at the pro level will get paid, those that can't should be happy with the experience and a free education worth hundreds of thousands of dollars when you factor in student loan debt that they don't have, among other privledges.
Football, outside of the Major programs. You start paying and how do you determine who gets paid what? Does the third string QB at Clemson getting paid the same as Trevor Lawrence, does DeVito at Syracuse get paid the same as Lawrence? You open up a huge can of worms. Guys that can play at the pro level will get paid, those that can't should be happy with the experience and a free education worth hundreds of thousands of dollars when you factor in student loan debt that they don't have, among other privledges.
Football, outside of the Major programs. You start paying and how do you determine who gets paid what? Does the third string QB at Clemson getting paid the same as Trevor Lawrence, does DeVito at Syracuse get paid the same as Lawrence? You open up a huge can of worms. Guys that can play at the pro level will get paid, those that can't should be happy with the experience and a free education worth hundreds of thousands of dollars when you factor in student loan debt that they don't have, among other privledges.
You shouldn't expect anyone to think this far ahead.
yep.. who cares what TT has to say on this issue.
but also, these kids are getting used to make money for their school.
If college players got paid for their worth to their college, I don’t think any college athlete in the last 15 years would’ve received more money than Tebow.
But it’s definitely easy for him to say this considering his family background and how much success he has had post-college financially.
He is a guy whose opinion I still value on this topic but it doesn’t sway me one way or another.
The easiest thing might be for the NFL and soon XFL to allow high school students to enter directly to the pros. Obviously, the downside is that many won't make it and then they don't have a education to fall back on.
I just think you open up so many negative things allow student athletes to market themselves will lead to even more corruption.
Yes, you can have it both ways.
Room and board is part of their payment for making millions for schools?
"Priviledge" is code for your politics.
Tebow is a solid citizen, you don't have to like him or his skills...but he is more of a humanitarian than most NFL/MLB players.
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Guy is such a fucking hypocrite.
"Priviledge" is code for your politics.
Tebow is a solid citizen, you don't have to like him or his skills...but he is more of a humanitarian than most NFL/MLB players.
I love Tebow. Met him probably 500 times since his first college game. Extremely nice person. Also don't take away from current NFL players to try to backup Tebow. There are 100s of players who do great things in the community and for various charities that you never hear about.
He's not a bad guy by any stretch, quite the opposite by all accounts. This is how's he's wired.
Paying college FB players will ruin the sport.
the people whose show it is asked him and many people still care what he thinks, since as he pointed out in the interview (which you likely didn't watch) while at Florida, his jersey sales were #3 in the sports world after LeBron and Kobe, so someone - the NCAA or Florida or both - made a shitload of money off his name and he didn't see a dime of it directly.
So, like I said I disagree with him, but he is kind of an authority on this topic and his opinion is valuable or at least interesting to many is one who was likely more exploited by the situation than most.
Paying college FB players will ruin the sport.
Highly compensated by their Universities? Not a chance.
Paying college FB players will ruin the sport.
What is the other high-level compensation to which you are referring?
Generally, I would agree that the value of college education has been diminished in these discussions. However, when I'm watching ESPN and they're promoting the next Duke game with pictures and highlights of Zion Williamson (as an example), it's obvious they're using his likeness to promote their business and make money without compensating the player. That's simply unfair.
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And who still cares what he thinks?
the people whose show it is asked him and many people still care what he thinks, since as he pointed out in the interview (which you likely didn't watch) while at Florida, his jersey sales were #3 in the sports world after LeBron and Kobe, so someone - the NCAA or Florida or both - made a shitload of money off his name and he didn't see a dime of it directly.
So, like I said I disagree with him, but he is kind of an authority on this topic and his opinion is valuable or at least interesting to many is one who was likely more exploited by the situation than most.
I disagree with him too, but I know for a fact that plenty of his college teammates made money off their name :)
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These kids are already highly compensated, and not just the tuition, room, and board.
Paying college FB players will ruin the sport.
What is the other high-level compensation to which you are referring?
Tons of free gear
State of the art study facilities
State of the art Workout Facilities
Free Tutors
Special Food
And the ability to showcase their talent for the NFL so they can make millions.
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These kids are already highly compensated, and not just the tuition, room, and board.
Paying college FB players will ruin the sport.
What is the other high-level compensation to which you are referring?
Tons of free gear
State of the art study facilities
State of the art Workout Facilities
Free Tutors
Special Food
And the ability to showcase their talent for the NFL so they can make millions.
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These kids are already highly compensated, and not just the tuition, room, and board.
Paying college FB players will ruin the sport.
What is the other high-level compensation to which you are referring?
Tons of free gear
State of the art study facilities
State of the art Workout Facilities
Free Tutors
Special Food
And the ability to showcase their talent for the NFL so they can make millions.
Two percent of college players make it to the NFL. Only the superstars of those 2% ever make millions.
I'm sure some of that other 98% would appreciate making money off their own likeness.
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These kids are already highly compensated, and not just the tuition, room, and board.
Paying college FB players will ruin the sport.
What is the other high-level compensation to which you are referring?
Tons of free gear
State of the art study facilities
State of the art Workout Facilities
Free Tutors
Special Food
And the ability to showcase their talent for the NFL so they can make millions.
A lot of these high profile recruits coming from the inner city riding around campus in Land Rovers and BMW's but they're not getting paid, nothing to see here!
People say Fuck Tim Tebow because he says things like "I didn't want to get paid" Yeh no shit Tim you came from a privileged background and were a sure thing to make the NFL. The guy is completely disingenuous like many others that proselytize.
Trash.
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These kids are already highly compensated, and not just the tuition, room, and board.
Paying college FB players will ruin the sport.
What is the other high-level compensation to which you are referring?
Tons of free gear
State of the art study facilities
State of the art Workout Facilities
Free Tutors
Special Food
And the ability to showcase their talent for the NFL so they can make millions.
A lot of these high profile recruits coming from the inner city riding around campus in Land Rovers and BMW's but they're not getting paid, nothing to see here!
A lot of them ride around on vespa like scooters actually.
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These kids are already highly compensated, and not just the tuition, room, and board.
Paying college FB players will ruin the sport.
What is the other high-level compensation to which you are referring?
Tons of free gear
State of the art study facilities
State of the art Workout Facilities
Free Tutors
Special Food
And the ability to showcase their talent for the NFL so they can make millions.
A lot of these high profile recruits coming from the inner city riding around campus in Land Rovers and BMW's but they're not getting paid, nothing to see here!
A lot of them ride around on vespa like scooters actually.
And a lot of them don't.
https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threads/alabama-football-players-and-their-cars.248139/
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These kids are already highly compensated, and not just the tuition, room, and board.
Paying college FB players will ruin the sport.
What is the other high-level compensation to which you are referring?
Tons of free gear
State of the art study facilities
State of the art Workout Facilities
Free Tutors
Special Food
And the ability to showcase their talent for the NFL so they can make millions.
A lot of these high profile recruits coming from the inner city riding around campus in Land Rovers and BMW's but they're not getting paid, nothing to see here!
A lot of them ride around on vespa like scooters actually.
And a lot of them don't.
https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threads/alabama-football-players-and-their-cars.248139/
I'd say 90% use scooters, public transportation or have a friend/significant other drive them around. Quite possibly much higher then that.
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"fuck Tebow" responses (which are absolutely brilliant by the way), did you even hear his side? I did. He made a thoughtful and compelling argument. "Fuck Tim Tebow" is why our country is the way it is right now. It's sad, ignorant and disrespectful.
People say Fuck Tim Tebow because he says things like "I didn't want to get paid" Yeh no shit Tim you came from a privileged background and were a sure thing to make the NFL. The guy is completely disingenuous like many others that proselytize.
How is he disingenuous or a hypocrite for having his own opinion? I think the NCAA is wrong when it comes to athletes making money on their celebrity, but I do not think the school should be involved in playing players. But Tebow is right about the reason that people love college football is the at least perception that it's about the school and not about the money. Whether or not that's valid or you agree or disagree the potential is there that this will actually destroy the college game.
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These kids are already highly compensated, and not just the tuition, room, and board.
Paying college FB players will ruin the sport.
What is the other high-level compensation to which you are referring?
Tons of free gear
State of the art study facilities
State of the art Workout Facilities
Free Tutors
Special Food
And the ability to showcase their talent for the NFL so they can make millions.
A lot of these high profile recruits coming from the inner city riding around campus in Land Rovers and BMW's but they're not getting paid, nothing to see here!
A lot of them ride around on vespa like scooters actually.
And a lot of them don't.
https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threads/alabama-football-players-and-their-cars.248139/
I'd say 90% use scooters, public transportation or have a friend/significant other drive them around. Quite possibly much higher then that.
Of course you're right, because only the top star athletes are the ones getting the real bennies.
I don't see anything compelling or particularly thoughtful in his argument. I find it fairly nonsensical. He said that athletes being able to market their likeness would transform college sports from being about "we" and "the team" to being about "me". That doesn't really make any sense - there's no reason to think that athletes being able to sell t-shirts with their names on it would somehow erode the sense of team that these guys have. (It also seems kind of ignorant of the reality that many college athletes already have a pretty strong "me" attitude).
He further says that it would change things to players going to who has the most money. That doesn't make any sense, since we're not talking about schools paying players - any money would come from the players' selling their likeness on their own. Sure, the ability to do that is impacted by how high-profile a program is, but it's hardly a direct connection, and again, it's pretty ignorant of the reality that players flock to the most profile programs already. Allowing guys to sell those t-shirts isn't going to change the fact that the top programs load up on the top players year after year after year.
If there's a compelling argument that allowing players to profit from their likeness would destroy college athletics, Tebow hasn't made it.
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These kids are already highly compensated, and not just the tuition, room, and board.
Paying college FB players will ruin the sport.
What is the other high-level compensation to which you are referring?
Tons of free gear
State of the art study facilities
State of the art Workout Facilities
Free Tutors
Special Food
And the ability to showcase their talent for the NFL so they can make millions.
A lot of these high profile recruits coming from the inner city riding around campus in Land Rovers and BMW's but they're not getting paid, nothing to see here!
A lot of them ride around on vespa like scooters actually.
And a lot of them don't.
https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threads/alabama-football-players-and-their-cars.248139/
I'd say 90% use scooters, public transportation or have a friend/significant other drive them around. Quite possibly much higher then that.
Of course you're right, because only the top star athletes are the ones getting the real bennies.
I was around this situation for a long time. Even the top star athletes aren't getting the money you think. Maybe a small handful. Not to mention we have no idea if their parents or family member got them a car knowing they'll be able to pay it back. I've paid guys who've turned into NBA All Stars, Pro Bowlers & champions in their respective pro sport. National Champions in football & basketball. They certainly aren't being fairly compensated. If they were they wouldn't be taking the little money I could afford to pay them.
Colleges is also at fault.. they are using the NFL's abusive powers to get money and abuse the kids.. but they are not the root cause
On the kids front, 96+% of the kids have no hope for NFL anyhow.. it would be stupid of them to play football for college unless they are actually using the free scholarship to get a worthwhile degree and learning something so they can get a good job after college.. Reality is most of these kids just want the popularity in college and money.. they couldn't care less about actually going to a school where they may learn something and get an actual degree.. if they did then actually would still be fine..
Engineers, medical students, math and science majors don't struggle to maintain a middle class family.. which is something you can't even say about most NFL players after they retire..
I think the schools should be required to invest a percentage of revenue into a fund to support these type of programs to provide for these kids and their future familes. Its the least they could do since they do.
Teammates and 20% to the school
Because athletic programs as a whole do not make money for the school. They cost money
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You shouldn't expect anyone to think this far ahead.