Football, outside of the Major programs. You start paying and how do you determine who gets paid what? Does the third string QB at Clemson getting paid the same as Trevor Lawrence, does DeVito at Syracuse get paid the same as Lawrence? You open up a huge can of worms. Guys that can play at the pro level will get paid, those that can't should be happy with the experience and a free education worth hundreds of thousands of dollars when you factor in student loan debt that they don't have, among other privledges.
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While this is true in regards to payments in general, the new law being proposed in California is about endorsements. So the companies paying these athletes would decide. Again, the superstars would benefit, but it still seems fair to me.
Football, outside of the Major programs. You start paying and how do you determine who gets paid what?
So you're okay with ESPN using Ian Book's face to promote the upcoming Notre Dame game? Or that Nike sells an Oregon football jersey that just happens to have Justin Herbert's number on it? If they use the likeness of the player, the player should get paid. The third string QB for Clemson probably doesn't have his likeness used in any way. It's really easy for companies and universities to avoid doing this altogether.
Do the majority of these athletes get an actual education? Â
Or is their education mainly their athletic pursuits with classes thrown in here or there?
I know it's not the case everywhere, but I've seen stories that make it seem these guys are studying football and nothing else. That would seem to negate the benefit provided by free tuition.
As for the 'how do you compensate players of different skill level and value to the program' - I feel like society might have tackled that type of problem in the past...
I don't think it's accurate to say Tebow shouldn't speak because he had a "privileged upbringing".
His parents were missionaries in places like the Philippines, until his mother became seriously ill (while pregnant with him) and they moved to the Jacksonville area when he was young. He was one of about 5 kids who were all home schooled for religious reasons.
Don't think they were wealthy by anyone's definition.
Tebow's parents were missionaries. Probably most people here have never known any missionaries. I happen to know some and not a single one of them would be considered anything close to wealthy (they didn't pursue that calling for the money).
The Tebow family raised 5 kids on a salary that no one here would brag about.
I just don't know why I keep seeing that Tebow had a "privileged background".
Those schools that can afford it will thrive while others will falter and we will end up with 40-50 schools who can compete and the rest won't be able too.
Once the players are compensated, they become employees. With employees come pay rates, labor rights, labor liabilities, etc. What if a player has a misconduct issue while being an employee? There's a litany of problems with this concept. It's not as simple as doling out $.
A ton of people here don't have their facts straight Â
Many millions of dollars do colleges, college coaches make off athletes every week. Just a thought.
Colleges actually lose money from athletics taken as a group. Bowl teams in football can make money but that is used to support other male sports like wrestling and all the women’s sports
Tebow's parents were missionaries. Probably most people here have never known any missionaries. I happen to know some and not a single one of them would be considered anything close to wealthy (they didn't pursue that calling for the money).
The Tebow family raised 5 kids on a salary that no one here would brag about.
I just don't know why I keep seeing that Tebow had a "privileged background".
Oh please they lived in a big house with a huge plot of land in Duval County. This was before he went to the NFL. You can have family money, you realize that. Every interview with him done at his parents house in college, it was nice. It is probably why he has the attitude he has. Christ Provides.
The players don't make money because in almost every state in Â
country the highest paid state employee is the football or basketball coach. Someone can fact check that, but I'm pretty sure it is true. Football and basketball fund all these other sports. That is why they are considered losing money as a whole.
Tim Tebow against student athletes being compensated? Â
I agree with his side of the issue but the reasoning that he puts forth is a bit erratic.
From my perspective, I've yet to see a plan proposed that alleviates many of the challenges associated with paying players, which more or less boils down to :
- Obfuscating "likeness" with performance
- Creating an equitable compensation system across talent, positions, schools, leagues, etc (pay for current performance, pay for recruiting profile, pay for injury, etc?)
- Subsidization for non-revenue sports, particularly every female (Title IX protected) sport
Basically, if we pay the starting QB for Bama $10mm are you going to cry when the backup DE gets his scholly taken away if he blows out a knee? Will you whine when the tennis teams are disbanded?
The current collegiate sports ecosystem is very socialist in practice and it appears that many (ironically) want to make it more capitalistic.
You disagree with his opinion. No worries. But why is he some kind of privileged asshole that has no business stating his opinion when asked about it? He isn’t out rallying troops to his cause, he expressed an opinion.
It is just ridiculous how many people can’t stand the idea of anyone disagreeing with them on a subject. They need to develop a drug to treat crippling insecurity.
My understanding is that he was homeschooled on a Jacksonville farm. Never got the impression that he was from a wealthy upbringing. I guess he was privileged by having gifted physical talents, a tremendous work ethic, and moral compass...
Football, outside of the Major programs. You start paying and how do you determine who gets paid what? Does the third string QB at Clemson getting paid the same as Trevor Lawrence, does DeVito at Syracuse get paid the same as Lawrence? You open up a huge can of worms. Guys that can play at the pro level will get paid, those that can't should be happy with the experience and a free education worth hundreds of thousands of dollars when you factor in student loan debt that they don't have, among other privledges.
Well, Clemson has no problem paying Dabo Sweeney or its AD big salaries. Alabama has no problem paying Saban and their AD huge salaries, Ohio State had no problem paying Urban and Gene Smith huge salaries. Etc. Sorry, but when I see the endowments at most of these schools, and their annual donation totals, I’m certain the school isn’t going broke.
The players are the product. And they are taking all of the risk. Their scholarships aren’t guaranteed and they expose themselves to injury. Their ability to transfer is restricted while a coach can leave freely at anytime for a different opportunity.
They don’t get many when the jersey with THEIR # sells at the bookstore or the locals Dick’s. Or when their image and name appear in video games. Or television advertising.
It’s long, long overdue to pay players. I’m sure the NCAA and the schools can figure it instead of wasting time trying to determine if a player violated NCAA rules by spreading cream cheese on his bagel...
Football, outside of the Major programs. You start paying and how do you determine who gets paid what? Does the third string QB at Clemson getting paid the same as Trevor Lawrence, does DeVito at Syracuse get paid the same as Lawrence? You open up a huge can of worms. Guys that can play at the pro level will get paid, those that can't should be happy with the experience and a free education worth hundreds of thousands of dollars when you factor in student loan debt that they don't have, among other privledges.
Well, Clemson has no problem paying Dabo Sweeney or its AD big salaries. Alabama has no problem paying Saban and their AD huge salaries, Ohio State had no problem paying Urban and Gene Smith huge salaries. Etc. Sorry, but when I see the endowments at most of these schools, and their annual donation totals, I’m certain the school isn’t going broke.
The players are the product. And they are taking all of the risk. Their scholarships aren’t guaranteed and they expose themselves to injury. Their ability to transfer is restricted while a coach can leave freely at anytime for a different opportunity.
They don’t get many when the jersey with THEIR # sells at the bookstore or the locals Dick’s. Or when their image and name appear in video games. Or television advertising.
It’s long, long overdue to pay players. I’m sure the NCAA and the schools can figure it instead of wasting time trying to determine if a player violated NCAA rules by spreading cream cheese on his bagel...
Regarding salaries of some of the coaches; take a look at the revenues brought in before say someone like Saban compared to his tenure. I am sure you will see a very significant increase. Same for some of the big profile coaches. I agree about your point with respect to coaches leaving and the players have to say that it is unjust. AD's are also judged on many other things and not just winning programs; they are responsible as well for revenues brought in as well.
The NCAA on the other hand; that is a corrupt organization imo.
If the players are allowed to market themselves or receive compensation get ready for many others trying to join the party. Former players, coaches will probably want their piece since they will feel they were responsible for laying he groundwork to these programs. Lawsuits galore.
Really there is probably no solution unless you essentially make collegiate sports pro sports. The only thing that seems possible is that high school athletes go straight to some kind of league; xfl, NFL lite etc. Then you keep college sports as is.
Where does it stop? Take someone like Jerry Jones who would probably have no issue throwing millions at kids to join Arkansas. Is this what everyone wants?
Ultimately, if they go to a compensation model then be prepared for even higher tuition costs which are already way out of line.
He told right in the video why he was asked. His jersey was one of the top selling jersey in all of sports when he played. His take is relevant...yours is not.
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RE: I don’t get all the “fuck Tim Tebow” reactions Â
You disagree with his opinion. No worries. But why is he some kind of privileged asshole that has no business stating his opinion when asked about it? He isn’t out rallying troops to his cause, he expressed an opinion.
It is just ridiculous how many people can’t stand the idea of anyone disagreeing with them on a subject. They need to develop a drug to treat crippling insecurity.
Many on this site have an insecurity issue...maybe its the NYG losing that have gotten to them.
He's entitled to his values - assuming he's sincere, and not just pandering to fans' sentimental view of what CFB is "all about". But those value judgments seem to be all he's got, and they don't amount to much of an argument if you don't already agree with him.
The mountain of television money has less to do, I think, with student-athletes "representing their school" than it does with the caliber of play (and coaching) at the highest level of college football. As for the notion that the players are already well-compensated, if that's the case, why not let the market set their comp instead of having the price fixed unilaterally by the franchise owners?
Or is their education mainly their athletic pursuits with classes thrown in here or there?
I know it's not the case everywhere, but I've seen stories that make it seem these guys are studying football and nothing else. That would seem to negate the benefit provided by free tuition.
As for the 'how do you compensate players of different skill level and value to the program' - I feel like society might have tackled that type of problem in the past...
If these athletes aren’t taking advantage of a free education that’s on them. These guys are adults. They are given an opportunity that almost no one else gets. If they want to pass up that golden opportunity to bank on themselves getting to the NFL with no backup plan for their future, so be it.
The opportunity is right there for them. It’s nobody’s fault but their own if they aren’t getting an actual education. Free.
but it’s the players fault if they aren’t using their scholarship to get a quality, and free education. And when athletes start getting paid how is that going to effect tuition? I’m guessing that will only increase more than it already has, so non-athletes have to make up the revenue loss?
This isn’t a simple issue, I see a lot of down side to paying athletes.
can be worth $200k. And they get to enter the workforce free of debt. That’s a tremendous leg up on their peers, athlete or not.
Sure, but they end up studying some shit like hotel management or communications, because of the demand that college football has on their schedule. It takes a real special person to pursue an engineering degree while playing D1 college football. And just because these schools are charging this outrageous amount doesn't mean its a good deal.
can be worth $200k. And they get to enter the workforce free of debt. That’s a tremendous leg up on their peers, athlete or not.
Sure, but they end up studying some shit like hotel management or communications, because of the demand that college football has on their schedule. It takes a real special person to pursue an engineering degree while playing D1 college football. And just because these schools are charging this outrageous amount doesn't mean its a good deal.
While their college football schedule commands a great deal of time without question, what they are being offered is very good deal. They can take advantage of many educational paths and have something to fall back on (or directly pursue) when and if football ends.
To all the people in hotel mngt or a communications field making an honest living...apologies for the above ridiculous comment.
can be worth $200k. And they get to enter the workforce free of debt. That’s a tremendous leg up on their peers, athlete or not.
UConn: You know better than to use "sticker prices" for comparison.
If we're talking about elite private schools that also compete in D1 - e.g. Stanford, Notre Dame, BC, etc. - the price most families pay is far below the published tuition, especially families of modest-to-moderate means. At Stanford, tuition is zero for families with income under $125K; under $65K, all expenses are covered too. As for state schools, the number varies widely, and in most cases is far below $200K.
What is the education "worth"? That's highly subjective; but whatever the number is, sticker price is a very murky indicator.
of course I know that. My education was a quarter of that number. I’m speaking in general terms and on the low end these guys are getting a free $100k education and walk away debt free entering the work force. But that price only goes up. Like all the shitty players on Duke that Daniel Jones got to play with. They have what should be a great education, not my fault if they choose not to take advantage of that.
in fact, I would put all of the TV money into a revenue sharing bucket for ALL NCAA football teams to share equally. Similar to the NFL and how they share the TV money. Spread it across all teams in all divisions with the caveat that each school must spend that money on football scholarships.
So yeah... Alabama gets the same money as a D3 school.
in fact, I would put all of the TV money into a revenue sharing bucket for ALL NCAA football teams to share equally. Similar to the NFL and how they share the TV money. Spread it across all teams in all divisions with the caveat that each school must spend that money on football scholarships.
So yeah... Alabama gets the same money as a D3 school.
D3 schools are not allowed athletic scholarships
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Nobody's asking you to fix that. Why is it anyone else's problem if the players want to organize to get the best deal possible? If the best deal they can get is a free education, so be it. If they wind up negotiating something different, and you don't like the results on the field, stop watching. That's your prerogative. But who are any of us to dictate how any workforce should conduct its business, beyond exercising our leverage as consumers of the end product?
The only real downside I can see - and Tebow totally ignores this from his position of privilege - is a star system where a few players get compensated lavishly while the rest get a worse deal than they currently have. I guess that's possible, but football is such a team game that I doubt the powerhouses would run the risk of gutting their depth to pay their stars.
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in fact, I would put all of the TV money into a revenue sharing bucket for ALL NCAA football teams to share equally. Similar to the NFL and how they share the TV money. Spread it across all teams in all divisions with the caveat that each school must spend that money on football scholarships.
So yeah... Alabama gets the same money as a D3 school.
D3 schools are not allowed athletic scholarships
Right... I know that. Dont you think it is unfair for the D3 athlete?
are actually 5 years. Most student-athletes are taking 12 credits. In addition, they are provided with heavy resources assisting with education; monitoring of grades by a staff, tutors, etc.
The other big thing many of them have is the opportunity to continue in the field of athletics. Many will be future coaches, teachers, sports admin, trainers etc. and being in a Division 1 program gives a incredible leg up.
Division 3 schools don't give scholarships but many receive "grants" to assist.
The post above regarding some type of sharing revenue was interesting.
Regarding salaries of some of the coaches; take a look at the revenues brought in before say someone like Saban compared to his tenure. I am sure you will see a very significant increase. Same for some of the big profile coaches. I agree about your point with respect to coaches leaving and the players have to say that it is unjust. AD's are also judged on many other things and not just winning programs; they are responsible as well for revenues brought in as well.
The NCAA on the other hand; that is a corrupt organization imo.
If the players are allowed to market themselves or receive compensation get ready for many others trying to join the party. Former players, coaches will probably want their piece since they will feel they were responsible for laying he groundwork to these programs. Lawsuits galore.
Really there is probably no solution unless you essentially make collegiate sports pro sports. The only thing that seems possible is that high school athletes go straight to some kind of league; xfl, NFL lite etc. Then you keep college sports as is.
Where does it stop? Take someone like Jerry Jones who would probably have no issue throwing millions at kids to join Arkansas. Is this what everyone wants?
Ultimately, if they go to a compensation model then be prepared for even higher tuition costs which are already way out of line.
College tuition costs are obscenely high because the government got into the business of guaranteeing student loans.
Let me be clear. Good for Saban, Sweeney, Harbaugh, et al getting paid. I'm all for that. The are taking advantage of the market.
Thus, I want the college athlete to be afforded the same opportunity. And of course it's complicated. So I wouldn't expect it to be easy to solve. And if there are winners & losers, players making more than others, too bad. Welcome to earth. Then a player can make a deal with another school. Let the free market flow...
Furthermore, too many of these athletes, especially football players, don't come from great backgrounds. Don't believe me, well, I suggest you follow the recruiting process as closely as I do. Many of these talented athletes, especially African Americans, come from families that struggle. So in a way the system is exploiting these kids. I want these kids to get compensated not only for their education but for their commitment to their sport that is a massive revenue stream for schools.
Regarding salaries of some of the coaches; take a look at the revenues brought in before say someone like Saban compared to his tenure. I am sure you will see a very significant increase. Same for some of the big profile coaches. I agree about your point with respect to coaches leaving and the players have to say that it is unjust. AD's are also judged on many other things and not just winning programs; they are responsible as well for revenues brought in as well.
The NCAA on the other hand; that is a corrupt organization imo.
If the players are allowed to market themselves or receive compensation get ready for many others trying to join the party. Former players, coaches will probably want their piece since they will feel they were responsible for laying he groundwork to these programs. Lawsuits galore.
Really there is probably no solution unless you essentially make collegiate sports pro sports. The only thing that seems possible is that high school athletes go straight to some kind of league; xfl, NFL lite etc. Then you keep college sports as is.
Where does it stop? Take someone like Jerry Jones who would probably have no issue throwing millions at kids to join Arkansas. Is this what everyone wants?
Ultimately, if they go to a compensation model then be prepared for even higher tuition costs which are already way out of line.
College tuition costs are obscenely high because the government got into the business of guaranteeing student loans.
Let me be clear. Good for Saban, Sweeney, Harbaugh, et al getting paid. I'm all for that. The are taking advantage of the market.
Thus, I want the college athlete to be afforded the same opportunity. And of course it's complicated. So I wouldn't expect it to be easy to solve. And if there are winners & losers, players making more than others, too bad. Welcome to earth. Then a player can make a deal with another school. Let the free market flow...
Furthermore, too many of these athletes, especially football players, don't come from great backgrounds. Don't believe me, well, I suggest you follow the recruiting process as closely as I do. Many of these talented athletes, especially African Americans, come from families that struggle. So in a way the system is exploiting these kids. I want these kids to get compensated not only for their education but for their commitment to their sport that is a massive revenue stream for schools.
I was involved in sports and grew up around coaches my whole young life. I am very familiar with the backgrounds of many college athletes and the recruiting process being one who was.
College costs of course are effected by what you say but let's not forget the outrageous salaries many in the administration are receiving as well. Not any different than affluent townships and what they pay in taxes to support the school systems salaries.
I have no issue with kids being paid. But is this not just a extension of pro sports?
Regardless, something is going to break. My guess is there is eventually a path for kids with the talent to go to a league and be paid. This will probably fail as many will fail without appropriate supervision and guidance that the college programs afford.
Again, the coaches being paid very high salaries; just look at revenues brought in before they came and then I think people will understand why they are paid as they are.
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Nobody's asking you to fix that. Why is it anyone else's problem if the players want to organize to get the best deal possible? If the best deal they can get is a free education, so be it. If they wind up negotiating something different, and you don't like the results on the field, stop watching. That's your prerogative. But who are any of us to dictate how any workforce should conduct its business, beyond exercising our leverage as consumers of the end product?
The only real downside I can see - and Tebow totally ignores this from his position of privilege - is a star system where a few players get compensated lavishly while the rest get a worse deal than they currently have. I guess that's possible, but football is such a team game that I doubt the powerhouses would run the risk of gutting their depth to pay their stars.
That’s the only downside you see? That’s ridiculous. There’s plenty that can go wrong. And I’ll start with what i posted earlier - when this “better deal” turns into even larger rises in education costs for non-athletes, then what?
This doesn’t just effect the athletes, it effects the entire school. That’s a big deal.
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Football, outside of the Major programs. You start paying and how do you determine who gets paid what? Does the third string QB at Clemson getting paid the same as Trevor Lawrence, does DeVito at Syracuse get paid the same as Lawrence? You open up a huge can of worms. Guys that can play at the pro level will get paid, those that can't should be happy with the experience and a free education worth hundreds of thousands of dollars when you factor in student loan debt that they don't have, among other privledges.
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While this is true in regards to payments in general, the new law being proposed in California is about endorsements. So the companies paying these athletes would decide. Again, the superstars would benefit, but it still seems fair to me.
So you're okay with ESPN using Ian Book's face to promote the upcoming Notre Dame game? Or that Nike sells an Oregon football jersey that just happens to have Justin Herbert's number on it? If they use the likeness of the player, the player should get paid. The third string QB for Clemson probably doesn't have his likeness used in any way. It's really easy for companies and universities to avoid doing this altogether.
I know it's not the case everywhere, but I've seen stories that make it seem these guys are studying football and nothing else. That would seem to negate the benefit provided by free tuition.
As for the 'how do you compensate players of different skill level and value to the program' - I feel like society might have tackled that type of problem in the past...
His parents were missionaries in places like the Philippines, until his mother became seriously ill (while pregnant with him) and they moved to the Jacksonville area when he was young. He was one of about 5 kids who were all home schooled for religious reasons.
Don't think they were wealthy by anyone's definition.
Tebow's parents were missionaries. Probably most people here have never known any missionaries. I happen to know some and not a single one of them would be considered anything close to wealthy (they didn't pursue that calling for the money).
The Tebow family raised 5 kids on a salary that no one here would brag about.
I just don't know why I keep seeing that Tebow had a "privileged background".
It's a pretty simple business model - if a company uses their likeness, have them promote their product, etc, they play that player.
Colleges actually lose money from athletics taken as a group. Bowl teams in football can make money but that is used to support other male sports like wrestling and all the women’s sports
It’s a joke, You don’t have to be Karl Marx to realize that this is wealth exploitation.
That's the world today - "If you don't agree with me, you're a horrible person" You probably even punt puppies and babies just for fun.
Tebow's parents were missionaries. Probably most people here have never known any missionaries. I happen to know some and not a single one of them would be considered anything close to wealthy (they didn't pursue that calling for the money).
The Tebow family raised 5 kids on a salary that no one here would brag about.
I just don't know why I keep seeing that Tebow had a "privileged background".
Oh please they lived in a big house with a huge plot of land in Duval County. This was before he went to the NFL. You can have family money, you realize that. Every interview with him done at his parents house in college, it was nice. It is probably why he has the attitude he has. Christ Provides.
From my perspective, I've yet to see a plan proposed that alleviates many of the challenges associated with paying players, which more or less boils down to :
- Obfuscating "likeness" with performance
- Creating an equitable compensation system across talent, positions, schools, leagues, etc (pay for current performance, pay for recruiting profile, pay for injury, etc?)
- Subsidization for non-revenue sports, particularly every female (Title IX protected) sport
Basically, if we pay the starting QB for Bama $10mm are you going to cry when the backup DE gets his scholly taken away if he blows out a knee? Will you whine when the tennis teams are disbanded?
The current collegiate sports ecosystem is very socialist in practice and it appears that many (ironically) want to make it more capitalistic.
It is just ridiculous how many people can’t stand the idea of anyone disagreeing with them on a subject. They need to develop a drug to treat crippling insecurity.
Well, Clemson has no problem paying Dabo Sweeney or its AD big salaries. Alabama has no problem paying Saban and their AD huge salaries, Ohio State had no problem paying Urban and Gene Smith huge salaries. Etc. Sorry, but when I see the endowments at most of these schools, and their annual donation totals, I’m certain the school isn’t going broke.
The players are the product. And they are taking all of the risk. Their scholarships aren’t guaranteed and they expose themselves to injury. Their ability to transfer is restricted while a coach can leave freely at anytime for a different opportunity.
They don’t get many when the jersey with THEIR # sells at the bookstore or the locals Dick’s. Or when their image and name appear in video games. Or television advertising.
It’s long, long overdue to pay players. I’m sure the NCAA and the schools can figure it instead of wasting time trying to determine if a player violated NCAA rules by spreading cream cheese on his bagel...
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Football, outside of the Major programs. You start paying and how do you determine who gets paid what? Does the third string QB at Clemson getting paid the same as Trevor Lawrence, does DeVito at Syracuse get paid the same as Lawrence? You open up a huge can of worms. Guys that can play at the pro level will get paid, those that can't should be happy with the experience and a free education worth hundreds of thousands of dollars when you factor in student loan debt that they don't have, among other privledges.
Well, Clemson has no problem paying Dabo Sweeney or its AD big salaries. Alabama has no problem paying Saban and their AD huge salaries, Ohio State had no problem paying Urban and Gene Smith huge salaries. Etc. Sorry, but when I see the endowments at most of these schools, and their annual donation totals, I’m certain the school isn’t going broke.
The players are the product. And they are taking all of the risk. Their scholarships aren’t guaranteed and they expose themselves to injury. Their ability to transfer is restricted while a coach can leave freely at anytime for a different opportunity.
They don’t get many when the jersey with THEIR # sells at the bookstore or the locals Dick’s. Or when their image and name appear in video games. Or television advertising.
It’s long, long overdue to pay players. I’m sure the NCAA and the schools can figure it instead of wasting time trying to determine if a player violated NCAA rules by spreading cream cheese on his bagel...
Regarding salaries of some of the coaches; take a look at the revenues brought in before say someone like Saban compared to his tenure. I am sure you will see a very significant increase. Same for some of the big profile coaches. I agree about your point with respect to coaches leaving and the players have to say that it is unjust. AD's are also judged on many other things and not just winning programs; they are responsible as well for revenues brought in as well.
The NCAA on the other hand; that is a corrupt organization imo.
If the players are allowed to market themselves or receive compensation get ready for many others trying to join the party. Former players, coaches will probably want their piece since they will feel they were responsible for laying he groundwork to these programs. Lawsuits galore.
Really there is probably no solution unless you essentially make collegiate sports pro sports. The only thing that seems possible is that high school athletes go straight to some kind of league; xfl, NFL lite etc. Then you keep college sports as is.
Where does it stop? Take someone like Jerry Jones who would probably have no issue throwing millions at kids to join Arkansas. Is this what everyone wants?
Ultimately, if they go to a compensation model then be prepared for even higher tuition costs which are already way out of line.
My son is a division one scholarship football player
Some day I will tell more - believe me he is 100% wrong
But he is fine to both have this opinion and take the stance.
What is wrong with some of you above with the unfounded hatred?
He told right in the video why he was asked. His jersey was one of the top selling jersey in all of sports when he played. His take is relevant...yours is not.
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It is just ridiculous how many people can’t stand the idea of anyone disagreeing with them on a subject. They need to develop a drug to treat crippling insecurity.
Many on this site have an insecurity issue...maybe its the NYG losing that have gotten to them.
The mountain of television money has less to do, I think, with student-athletes "representing their school" than it does with the caliber of play (and coaching) at the highest level of college football. As for the notion that the players are already well-compensated, if that's the case, why not let the market set their comp instead of having the price fixed unilaterally by the franchise owners?
I know it's not the case everywhere, but I've seen stories that make it seem these guys are studying football and nothing else. That would seem to negate the benefit provided by free tuition.
As for the 'how do you compensate players of different skill level and value to the program' - I feel like society might have tackled that type of problem in the past...
If these athletes aren’t taking advantage of a free education that’s on them. These guys are adults. They are given an opportunity that almost no one else gets. If they want to pass up that golden opportunity to bank on themselves getting to the NFL with no backup plan for their future, so be it.
The opportunity is right there for them. It’s nobody’s fault but their own if they aren’t getting an actual education. Free.
This isn’t a simple issue, I see a lot of down side to paying athletes.
Sure, but they end up studying some shit like hotel management or communications, because of the demand that college football has on their schedule. It takes a real special person to pursue an engineering degree while playing D1 college football. And just because these schools are charging this outrageous amount doesn't mean its a good deal.
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can be worth $200k. And they get to enter the workforce free of debt. That’s a tremendous leg up on their peers, athlete or not.
Sure, but they end up studying some shit like hotel management or communications, because of the demand that college football has on their schedule. It takes a real special person to pursue an engineering degree while playing D1 college football. And just because these schools are charging this outrageous amount doesn't mean its a good deal.
While their college football schedule commands a great deal of time without question, what they are being offered is very good deal. They can take advantage of many educational paths and have something to fall back on (or directly pursue) when and if football ends.
To all the people in hotel mngt or a communications field making an honest living...apologies for the above ridiculous comment.
This is not a very productive sentiment.
If we're talking about elite private schools that also compete in D1 - e.g. Stanford, Notre Dame, BC, etc. - the price most families pay is far below the published tuition, especially families of modest-to-moderate means. At Stanford, tuition is zero for families with income under $125K; under $65K, all expenses are covered too. As for state schools, the number varies widely, and in most cases is far below $200K.
What is the education "worth"? That's highly subjective; but whatever the number is, sticker price is a very murky indicator.
So yeah... Alabama gets the same money as a D3 school.
So yeah... Alabama gets the same money as a D3 school.
D3 schools are not allowed athletic scholarships
The only real downside I can see - and Tebow totally ignores this from his position of privilege - is a star system where a few players get compensated lavishly while the rest get a worse deal than they currently have. I guess that's possible, but football is such a team game that I doubt the powerhouses would run the risk of gutting their depth to pay their stars.
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in fact, I would put all of the TV money into a revenue sharing bucket for ALL NCAA football teams to share equally. Similar to the NFL and how they share the TV money. Spread it across all teams in all divisions with the caveat that each school must spend that money on football scholarships.
So yeah... Alabama gets the same money as a D3 school.
D3 schools are not allowed athletic scholarships
Right... I know that. Dont you think it is unfair for the D3 athlete?
This should help level the playing field a bit.
The other big thing many of them have is the opportunity to continue in the field of athletics. Many will be future coaches, teachers, sports admin, trainers etc. and being in a Division 1 program gives a incredible leg up.
Division 3 schools don't give scholarships but many receive "grants" to assist.
The post above regarding some type of sharing revenue was interesting.
Regarding salaries of some of the coaches; take a look at the revenues brought in before say someone like Saban compared to his tenure. I am sure you will see a very significant increase. Same for some of the big profile coaches. I agree about your point with respect to coaches leaving and the players have to say that it is unjust. AD's are also judged on many other things and not just winning programs; they are responsible as well for revenues brought in as well.
The NCAA on the other hand; that is a corrupt organization imo.
If the players are allowed to market themselves or receive compensation get ready for many others trying to join the party. Former players, coaches will probably want their piece since they will feel they were responsible for laying he groundwork to these programs. Lawsuits galore.
Really there is probably no solution unless you essentially make collegiate sports pro sports. The only thing that seems possible is that high school athletes go straight to some kind of league; xfl, NFL lite etc. Then you keep college sports as is.
Where does it stop? Take someone like Jerry Jones who would probably have no issue throwing millions at kids to join Arkansas. Is this what everyone wants?
Ultimately, if they go to a compensation model then be prepared for even higher tuition costs which are already way out of line.
College tuition costs are obscenely high because the government got into the business of guaranteeing student loans.
Let me be clear. Good for Saban, Sweeney, Harbaugh, et al getting paid. I'm all for that. The are taking advantage of the market.
Thus, I want the college athlete to be afforded the same opportunity. And of course it's complicated. So I wouldn't expect it to be easy to solve. And if there are winners & losers, players making more than others, too bad. Welcome to earth. Then a player can make a deal with another school. Let the free market flow...
Furthermore, too many of these athletes, especially football players, don't come from great backgrounds. Don't believe me, well, I suggest you follow the recruiting process as closely as I do. Many of these talented athletes, especially African Americans, come from families that struggle. So in a way the system is exploiting these kids. I want these kids to get compensated not only for their education but for their commitment to their sport that is a massive revenue stream for schools.
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Regarding salaries of some of the coaches; take a look at the revenues brought in before say someone like Saban compared to his tenure. I am sure you will see a very significant increase. Same for some of the big profile coaches. I agree about your point with respect to coaches leaving and the players have to say that it is unjust. AD's are also judged on many other things and not just winning programs; they are responsible as well for revenues brought in as well.
The NCAA on the other hand; that is a corrupt organization imo.
If the players are allowed to market themselves or receive compensation get ready for many others trying to join the party. Former players, coaches will probably want their piece since they will feel they were responsible for laying he groundwork to these programs. Lawsuits galore.
Really there is probably no solution unless you essentially make collegiate sports pro sports. The only thing that seems possible is that high school athletes go straight to some kind of league; xfl, NFL lite etc. Then you keep college sports as is.
Where does it stop? Take someone like Jerry Jones who would probably have no issue throwing millions at kids to join Arkansas. Is this what everyone wants?
Ultimately, if they go to a compensation model then be prepared for even higher tuition costs which are already way out of line.
College tuition costs are obscenely high because the government got into the business of guaranteeing student loans.
Let me be clear. Good for Saban, Sweeney, Harbaugh, et al getting paid. I'm all for that. The are taking advantage of the market.
Thus, I want the college athlete to be afforded the same opportunity. And of course it's complicated. So I wouldn't expect it to be easy to solve. And if there are winners & losers, players making more than others, too bad. Welcome to earth. Then a player can make a deal with another school. Let the free market flow...
Furthermore, too many of these athletes, especially football players, don't come from great backgrounds. Don't believe me, well, I suggest you follow the recruiting process as closely as I do. Many of these talented athletes, especially African Americans, come from families that struggle. So in a way the system is exploiting these kids. I want these kids to get compensated not only for their education but for their commitment to their sport that is a massive revenue stream for schools.
I was involved in sports and grew up around coaches my whole young life. I am very familiar with the backgrounds of many college athletes and the recruiting process being one who was.
College costs of course are effected by what you say but let's not forget the outrageous salaries many in the administration are receiving as well. Not any different than affluent townships and what they pay in taxes to support the school systems salaries.
I have no issue with kids being paid. But is this not just a extension of pro sports?
Regardless, something is going to break. My guess is there is eventually a path for kids with the talent to go to a league and be paid. This will probably fail as many will fail without appropriate supervision and guidance that the college programs afford.
Again, the coaches being paid very high salaries; just look at revenues brought in before they came and then I think people will understand why they are paid as they are.
The only real downside I can see - and Tebow totally ignores this from his position of privilege - is a star system where a few players get compensated lavishly while the rest get a worse deal than they currently have. I guess that's possible, but football is such a team game that I doubt the powerhouses would run the risk of gutting their depth to pay their stars.
That’s the only downside you see? That’s ridiculous. There’s plenty that can go wrong. And I’ll start with what i posted earlier - when this “better deal” turns into even larger rises in education costs for non-athletes, then what?
This doesn’t just effect the athletes, it effects the entire school. That’s a big deal.