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NFT: Dodgers at Mets Game 1. THOR. Fat lady shutting her trap!

ZGiants98 : 9/13/2019 3:09 pm
1.) Rosario SS
2.) J.D. Davis LF
3.) McNeil 3B
4.) Ramos C
5.) Canó 2B
6.) Frazier 1B
7.) Conforto RF
8.) Lagares CF
9.) Syndergaard P

Lineup is in and Alonso is out today. Nimmo out second day in a row. Huge series! Let’s win this series. LFGM!!
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Alonso swing at the first nine pitches he saw yesterday  
Vanzetti : 9/13/2019 3:14 pm : link
A lot of them were way out of the strike zone,

I wouldn’t sit him but I can see why
He is sitting
Alonso  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2019 3:16 pm : link
wasn't happy with his at-bats so he shaved his mustache during the game. not off completely I don't think but did something he was superstitious about.
Not real happy about the  
ZGiants98 : 9/13/2019 3:22 pm : link
Thor/Ramos thing. I’d have given him what he wanted. We’ll See!
Luis Avilan  
Vanzetti : 9/13/2019 3:58 pm : link
Faced 46 LH batters. Has given up 3 hits

If you want to beat Dodgers, you need to shut down their bi LH bats: Bellinger, Muncy, Joc and Seager
'Fat lady shutting her trap!'  
Torrag : 9/13/2019 4:02 pm : link
too soon /jinx
RE: 'Fat lady shutting her trap!'  
Metnut : 9/13/2019 4:20 pm : link
In comment 14574421 Torrag said:
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too soon /jinx


Yea, let's see how things look after this weekend.
Alonzo Not In Starting Lineup  
Samiam : 9/13/2019 4:26 pm : link
Per Francesa. Said Calloway said he needs a day off
Cubs down 4-0 in the first  
speedywheels : 9/13/2019 4:26 pm : link
Man, they have just imploded (only after sweeping Mets, haha)....
Never Mind  
Samiam : 9/13/2019 4:27 pm : link
My reading comprehension not too good
Fat lady singing means it’s all but over  
ZGiants98 : 9/13/2019 4:39 pm : link
It is no longer “over” so she can sit down for a while. Not to say she won’t be singing again but we are right back in the thick of it.
RE: Cubs down 4-0 in the first  
Metnut : 9/13/2019 4:44 pm : link
In comment 14574443 speedywheels said:
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Man, they have just imploded (only after sweeping Mets, haha)....


5 runs in bottom of the first for the cubs lol. Mets are going to have to finish like 13-4 to take this.

One step at a time. Win tonight and have a chance to take the series with DeGrom tomorrow night.
RE: RE: Cubs down 4-0 in the first  
speedywheels : 9/13/2019 4:47 pm : link
In comment 14574466 Metnut said:
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In comment 14574443 speedywheels said:


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Man, they have just imploded (only after sweeping Mets, haha)....



5 runs in bottom of the first for the cubs lol. Mets are going to have to finish like 13-4 to take this.

One step at a time. Win tonight and have a chance to take the series with DeGrom tomorrow night.


Haha, yep. Wind is blowing straight out at Wrigley today, so it may be one of the 15-12 type games...

But yeah - they need to take care of business first, then see who else wins/loses...
Dodgers lineup is filthy  
ZGiants98 : 9/13/2019 5:57 pm : link
Dodgers Lineup

Joc Pederson – RF
Max Muncy – 1B
Matt Beaty – 3B
Cody Bellinger – CF
Corey Seager – SS
A.J. Pollock – LF
Gavin Lux – 2B
Will Smith – C
Clayton Kershaw – LHP
And that’s with no  
ZGiants98 : 9/13/2019 5:58 pm : link
Justin Turner
The Nats remaining schedule is absolutely brutal  
ZGiants98 : 9/13/2019 6:19 pm : link
I know its unlikely, but it wouldn't shock me to see them lose a few and make things interesting for the other spot as well.
Nice first inning Ramos.... I mean Noah...  
ZGiants98 : 9/13/2019 7:19 pm : link
;) I kid.
YESS!!!  
ZGiants98 : 9/13/2019 7:23 pm : link
JD DAVIS BABY!!
That was fucking smoked!  
ZGiants98 : 9/13/2019 7:24 pm : link
!
Mets really do have a nice group of building block players  
djm : 9/13/2019 7:29 pm : link
Good for you guys. Hang in there!
Nice job Mickey  
Vanzetti : 9/13/2019 8:21 pm : link
You stupid fuck
You can see Syndergaard  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2019 8:21 pm : link
struggling with his command, especially the 2nd time through the lineup, should have Nido catching.

now 4 run inning so far
Yea its ramos fault  
KDubbs : 9/13/2019 8:22 pm : link
This guy sucks. Cut your hair and stop thinking youre a comic book character loser
Thor was uncomfortable all night  
Vanzetti : 9/13/2019 8:23 pm : link
Had poor command

Maybe it was just psychological. But who cares. It’s s goddam pennant race

I
So it is the Catcher’s fault  
Mike in NY : 9/13/2019 8:24 pm : link
That starter has no command?
I don't care whose fault  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2019 8:26 pm : link
it is, the guy said he's more comfortable with a different catcher, if I'm the manager I give him the other catcher.
RE: I don't care whose fault  
ZGiants98 : 9/13/2019 8:46 pm : link
In comment 14574588 pjcas18 said:
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it is, the guy said he's more comfortable with a different catcher, if I'm the manager I give him the other catcher.


+1. I have to agree.
And I'd left Syndergaard in  
ZGiants98 : 9/13/2019 8:48 pm : link
to go 6 after a successful 5th inning. Of course Mickey will take him out at 102 pitches. Ugh..
I don't know why people talk like it's black & white when theres  
ChaChing : 9/13/2019 8:58 pm : link
obviously multiple factors. Sure, starts w/ the pitcher. But the catcher calling the game, pitch framing, even just the splits for Thor (at various times w/ several pitchers, in spite of success w/ other teams)...all that factors & shows it's a thing. JDG's former agent even demanded a personal catcher last year for the same reason, now in a playoff race as GM refuses it (w/ the staff no doubt)?

Pitcher should be better, catcher should work at it (as Ramos has), but at THIS point in a playoff race you do what works, period

Ramos' bat surely changes things some, but it wasn't a huge deal to help your SP, vs Kershaw, vs the best NL if not MLB team, esp given the empirical evidence
RE: I don't know why people talk like it's black & white when theres  
ZGiants98 : 9/13/2019 9:01 pm : link
In comment 14574613 ChaChing said:
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obviously multiple factors. Sure, starts w/ the pitcher. But the catcher calling the game, pitch framing, even just the splits for Thor (at various times w/ several pitchers, in spite of success w/ other teams)...all that factors & shows it's a thing. JDG's former agent even demanded a personal catcher last year for the same reason, now in a playoff race as GM refuses it (w/ the staff no doubt)?

Pitcher should be better, catcher should work at it (as Ramos has), but at THIS point in a playoff race you do what works, period

Ramos' bat surely changes things some, but it wasn't a huge deal to help your SP, vs Kershaw, vs the best NL if not MLB team, esp given the empirical evidence


Outstanding post.
They have 3 hits with Ramos in the lineup  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2019 9:01 pm : link
the data and analytics support Syndergaard, in the most important series of the year, you don't show one of your best pitchers who the boss is and stick with him the lesser catcher (for him). and Ramos has to get a day off a week at least, why not do the smart thing and make it his start.

Matt Ehalt
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Noah with Ramos tonight:

5 IP, 5 H, 4 ER, 2 BB, 1 HR, 4 K.

The two now own a 5.20 ERA together.

May be time to get him back with Nido next Wednesday in Colorado.
.  
ZGiants98 : 9/13/2019 9:22 pm : link

Andy Martino
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@martinonyc
Syndergaard is a bit more reluctant to throw slider to Ramos bc Ramos receives the high pitch better than low. Nido the opposite. Thus, better fit.

Callaway says a key to success tonight is NS has to forget about who is receiving and not change the game plan/pitch selection.
Fuck you Mickey...  
ZGiants98 : 9/13/2019 9:25 pm : link
Might have lost anyway but you dont know shit about your own players. AVILAN IS A FUCKING LOOGY. When they go to a right-handed hitter that mashes lefties..., TAKE HIM OUT.

Totally outclassed and outsmarted every single night.
The analytics show  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2019 9:26 pm : link
Avilan dominates lefties, but no bueno vs righties so:

"85% of our decisions will go against analytics" - Mickey Callaway
Avilan  
ZGiants98 : 9/13/2019 9:28 pm : link
has faced more than twice as many RHB this season than LHB.

RHB are hitting 370 against him.
LHB are hitting .077 against him

Mickey Callaway is an idiot.
I could be wrong, but to me analytics is all this relatively new  
ChaChing : 9/13/2019 9:36 pm : link
formula based numbers, probably like WAR or wRC+ etc

But RHB / LHB splits are simple stats, very close to numerical values added to the 'eye test.'

Meaning truly basic baseball decisions. Don't even have to go as far as his 85% analytics comment because if he doesn't get the simple stuff, how could he possibly understand the new age numbers, much less how to use them in game
RE: .  
Vanzetti : 9/13/2019 9:38 pm : link
In comment 14574619 ZGiants98 said:
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Andy Martino
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@martinonyc
Syndergaard is a bit more reluctant to throw slider to Ramos bc Ramos receives the high pitch better than low. Nido the opposite. Thus, better fit.

Callaway says a key to success tonight is NS has to forget about who is receiving and not change the game plan/pitch selection.


Greg Maddox didn’t pitch to Javy Lopez
Timmy to Buster Posey
AJ to Posada

And Posey is a very good defensive catcher. But some guys just don’t work well together.

Also, note Bochy and Girardi and Cox had no problem with designating a catcher to work with a particular pitcher. Think those 3 are slightly better
Managers than the Mouse. And two of them
Are ex catchers
The best thing about missing the postseason  
ZGiants98 : 9/13/2019 9:42 pm : link
If that's how it goes down, will be getting rid of Mickey.

Where's the urgency? Ive been saying this for weeks. Dodgers have their best possible lineup against Thor. Us? Resting Alonso. Nimmo is on the bench even though he has better numbers against lefties than many in the lineup.

Syndergaard pitches better with Nido but they spite him to prove a point.

7th inning in a 3 run game and he feels he can get Avilan through a righty that mashes lefties with a fully rested and full pen.

15 games left and playing the best team in baseball and we are just easy peasy lax.
You bench Alonso angst a LHP! you don’t allow Thor to have his catcher  
Vanzetti : 9/13/2019 9:42 pm : link
You better win cuz those are two controversial moves
Lowrie  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2019 9:43 pm : link
has one at bat to make his signing worth it.
Way to waste Lowrie.  
ZGiants98 : 9/13/2019 9:45 pm : link
lol
RE: The best thing about missing the postseason  
Vanzetti : 9/13/2019 10:02 pm : link
In comment 14574637 ZGiants98 said:
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If that's how it goes down, will be getting rid of Mickey.

Where's the urgency? Ive been saying this for weeks. Dodgers have their best possible lineup against Thor. Us? Resting Alonso. Nimmo is on the bench even though he has better numbers against lefties than many in the lineup.

Syndergaard pitches better with Nido but they spite him to prove a point.

7th inning in a 3 run game and he feels he can get Avilan through a righty that mashes lefties with a fully rested and full pen.

15 games left and playing the best team in baseball and we are just easy peasy lax.


Are you sure Mickey goes?

If we miss the playoffs?  
ZGiants98 : 9/13/2019 10:05 pm : link
70% sure. lol
.  
ZGiants98 : 9/13/2019 10:24 pm : link
Matt Ehalt
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@MattEhalt
Tomas Nido is catching today ....eight innings too late.
.  
ZGiants98 : 9/13/2019 11:04 pm : link
out of all the bad decisions not shit canning callaway was BVW's worst  
Eric on Li : 9/13/2019 11:37 pm : link
yes, even worse than the Cano/Kelenic/Diaz deal. The guy is a complete joke. Baseball managers aren't a prominent position but incompetence is incompetence and an incompetent leader can rarely be overcome. His presence is a massive fuck you to every sentient organism within a mile of that clubhouse.

keeping Mickey is example #1 why brodies theory of managing up won't work and a warning of future failures if he isn't willing to stand up to Jeff.
A couple of things regarding Thor/Ramos/Nido  
Chris684 : 9/14/2019 8:15 am : link
First off, one of the things that’s not been made public (as far as I know) is what exactly is the problem with Ramos specifically?

Is it pitch framing? Game calling? Blocking balls in the dirt causing him to leave more up? Maybe if a specific problem is identified, it can be resolved? I dunno.

Whatever issues deGrom had earlier in the year seem to have been worked out regardless of who is catching. Is the same not attainable for Thor? It also can’t be understated how important Ramos is in this lineup 2nd half of the season. It’s a big deal to take his bat out of the lineup in very important games.

Finally, I tend to side with credible opinions in these situations and both Darling and Keith (especially Darling) believe it is incumbent on the pitcher to work it out with the catcher. I’m not against Thor but I guess I’m just asking very specifically what is the problem? Has it been worked on? Or is he just walking upstairs to the office and trying to have the situation handled by management? deGrom seems to have figured this out, why can’t Thor?
must win games  
spike : 9/14/2019 8:33 am : link
this weekend.

I'm not completely sure about this, but after being convinced that  
Ira : 9/14/2019 8:50 am : link
Thor just needs to grow up, I noticed that Stroman's best performance as a Met happened with Nido catching. So, maybe it's not just an issue for Thor, but for the entire pitching staff.
deGrom’s splits are also  
ZGiants98 : 9/14/2019 8:57 am : link
Much better with Nido. Look it’s not rocket science. We all know Ramos is a bad defensive catcher. It should be no shock Syndergaard likes Nido more. They did show a graph last night that showed that because Ramos is such a big dude, all of Syndergaards pitches are up more. It’s a real thing.
Does Ramos's work behind the plate affect other pitcher's performance?  
Ira : 9/14/2019 9:14 am : link
I’m doing a little survey of the games Diaz has pitched a perfect inning since the All Star break – no walks and no hits. I’m going to list those innings and who the catcher was.

Sept 8 – Ramos
Aug 30 – Rivera
Aug 28 – Ramos
Aug 23 – Nido
Aug 18 – Nido (Ramos was dh)
July 21 – Ramos

Please feel free to check my work. I didn’t. If my numbers are right, Ramos caught half of those games and we know that he catches more than half of the Mets games. Coincidence? Maybe.
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