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NFT: Dodgers at Mets Game 1. THOR. Fat lady shutting her trap!

ZGiants98 : 9/13/2019 3:09 pm
1.) Rosario SS
2.) J.D. Davis LF
3.) McNeil 3B
4.) Ramos C
5.) Canó 2B
6.) Frazier 1B
7.) Conforto RF
8.) Lagares CF
9.) Syndergaard P

Lineup is in and Alonso is out today. Nimmo out second day in a row. Huge series! Let’s win this series. LFGM!!
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Ramos specifically has trouble with low balls - so yes  
Eric on Li : 9/14/2019 10:00 am : link
he could be part of the issue for Diaz slider too, but that's kind of like nitpicking the color of the drapes when the house is on fire. Diaz issues go way beyond that.
getting sick of hearing how Thor needs to "shut up & play"  
Rory : 9/14/2019 10:02 am : link
or "grow up", he didn't announce his desire to have Nido catch him publicly to create a stir.

He did it internally and confided to his manager to enhance his teams chances to win and some Mets insider douche slipped it out to the media and now here we are.

It was mentioned last night the reasoning for all of this is Ramos having difficulties catching Thor's slider which noticeably was not in use last night.

that said LGFM tonight. Degrominate the Dodgers
Diaz ERA by catcher  
Jim in Fairfax : 9/14/2019 11:17 am : link
Ramos: 6.48
Nido: 3.27
Rivera: 0.00 (only one game)
Team ERA by catcher  
Jim in Fairfax : 9/14/2019 11:28 am : link
Ramos: 4.50
Nido: 3.66
Rivera: 2.08 (only 26 innings)

Also pitchers are giving up a HR every 9 innings with Ramos vs. every 7 innings with Nido. Which makes sense if Ramos can’t handle low pitches well.
Ramos is a problem  
spike : 9/14/2019 11:30 am : link
The Mets have a PR problem. Who the f is their PR guy?
It’s a real shame the Wilpons  
Metnut : 9/14/2019 11:45 am : link
weren’t willing to spend enough for us to sign Grandal. He’s a good defender and hitter. If the Brewers beat us out for a wild card, Grandal is the difference
The Mets are their own worst enemy.  
PhiPsi125 : 9/14/2019 1:34 pm : link
I understand that not every pitcher can have a personal catcher. But the analytics don’t lie. It’s a problem. Plus it was known that he was a poor defensive catcher. Why neutralize your strength (starting pitching) which a poor defensive catcher?

So what is the reason that you forced Ramos on Noah when it was clearly an issue? Don’t tell me it’s for his offense. Sitting both Alonso and Ramos blows that excuse out of the water. IMO, this was a personal, petty decision which of course blew up in their faces...like everything else. Noah’s private conversation being leaked to the media just confirms it for me.

The idea is to put your players and team in a position to succeed. The Mets do the opposite. Always have. The Dodgers are the best team in baseball, have the division locked up and still have their “A” lineup out their versus the Mets. While we are choosing to rest players LOL.

This team is a joke.
Some pitchers just work better with certain catchers  
Vanzetti : 9/14/2019 1:53 pm : link
I think it is more psychological than related to pitch framing. It is about the pitchers confidence


And pitchers having favorite catchers goes way back. Carlton only pitched to Tim McCarver and when he went to the Phillies, he made them trade for McCarver

Phi Psi makes a good point  
Vanzetti : 9/14/2019 1:56 pm : link
Who leaked this? I doubt it was the agent or Thor. So sounds like the Mets trying to make Thor look bad. Either that or they just have leaks, which falls on the GM
TY for the ERA splits. Yeah that's a good point too -  
ChaChing : 9/14/2019 2:27 pm : link
what was actually said. If you read at least the ESPN article, Thor was NOT trashing Ramos but citing the results - the overall performance. Honestly at this point for a pro team to ignore it (or worse, refuse it after giving JDG a personal catcher on his way to a CY Young...), both a shitty look & a dumb strategy. Aside from the leaks but well

I get that everyone needs to work on this. But not mid playoff race. Other thing is you short leash Nido if you do start him - once you're down enough, be ready to PH him early (backup catcher issue notwithstanding)

It's like finding a bat that works best for you & bumps your BA, but in arrogant view of "i am / should be a great hitter" you use the other bat - in your biggest stretch of games no less

Mgmt is far from just Xs & Os but reading players & situations. There's a whole slew of mgrs who don't get this even at the top. Like poker, you HAVE to know the numbers like it or not (Xs & Os). But if you can't read situations & people and apply it with those stats in game, it's nothing but luck in terms of getting better & winning consistently...
RE: Ramos is a problem  
pjcas18 : 9/14/2019 2:29 pm : link
In comment 14574902 spike said:
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The Mets have a PR problem. Who the f is their PR guy?


Jay Horowitz? Is it still him?
the Mets have made many of Jeff Wilpon's non-BFF's look bad over  
Eric on Li : 9/14/2019 3:26 pm : link
the years - Beltran, Turner, Murphy, on and on. Meanwhile the guys he's been close with like Reyes/Omar get lifetime contracts and roles no other team would give them.

Who pushed for the Cano deal? Jeff. Who pushed to hire Callaway and then backed him in June? Jeff. Who doesn't ever talk to the media when things are down? Jeff. Who has gotten criticized most frequently by executives in high level ownership discussions from Doubleday to Einhorn? Jeff.

Syndergaard is outspoken, there have been rumors he's rubbed "some in the org" the wrong way, he's been in trade discussions for more than a year, and now this year things have leaked out to make him look bad. I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I am inclined to agree with Psi that this is the mets shooting themselves in the foot to spite Syndergaard bc he doesn't toe the party line and if I was taking a guess as to where the shots were fired from it would be the owner's box.
I will own up to my BIG words from yesterday  
5BowlsSoon : 9/14/2019 3:42 pm : link
I’m still in shock Kershaw outpitched Thor. I’m not offering any excuses...we got punched in the face. They were better, we stunk.

Moving on.....I still see us winning the series.
Good points about starting Nido  
Vanzetti : 9/14/2019 3:44 pm : link
He is only likely to get two ABs. If he gets more, it likely means Thor is dominating .

Nido hits lefties ok. And with expended rosters, you can use Ramos stratgicallynas a pinch hitter and then leave him in the game. That way Ramos is guaranteed to hit in a crucial situation and Thor gets his preferred catcher
RE: I will own up to my BIG words from yesterday  
Vanzetti : 9/14/2019 3:50 pm : link
In comment 14575083 5BowlsSoon said:
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I’m still in shock Kershaw outpitched Thor. I’m not offering any excuses...we got punched in the face. They were better, we stunk.

Moving on.....I still see us winning the series.


Im giving Thor a pass. Hard to focus when your team created controversy by leaking info about you and made it seem like you are bad teammate

RE: RE: I will own up to my BIG words from yesterday  
5BowlsSoon : 9/14/2019 4:52 pm : link
In comment 14575085 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 14575083 5BowlsSoon said:


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I’m still in shock Kershaw outpitched Thor. I’m not offering any excuses...we got punched in the face. They were better, we stunk.

Moving on.....I still see us winning the series.



Im giving Thor a pass. Hard to focus when your team created controversy by leaking info about you and made it seem like you are bad teammate


He left a hanging curveball high on a rookie with two strikes. Just a bad pitch....no excuses!
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