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How often does Engram line up at WR, if at all?

Mike in Long Beach : 9/14/2019 10:05 am
Just wondering if, being down our top two WRs, if it’s better to just forgo Engram at TE for a game, use him almost exclusively in the passing game, and let Ellison take the lion’s share of snaps at TE to support Barkley.

Crazy? Obvious? You tell me.
The amount of attention this gets is mind-boggling to me.  
robbieballs2003 : 9/14/2019 10:12 am : link
There is not set label. He will move around but he is a TE. There are formations where they both play TE at the same time. There will be formations where Engram is lined up as a receiver and Ellison or whoever as a TE. There are formations where only Engram is on the field and will line up at either spot. It is part of the game.
RE: The amount of attention this gets is mind-boggling to me.  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/14/2019 10:15 am : link
In comment 14574824 robbieballs2003 said:
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There is not set label. He will move around but he is a TE. There are formations where they both play TE at the same time. There will be formations where Engram is lined up as a receiver and Ellison or whoever as a TE. There are formations where only Engram is on the field and will line up at either spot. It is part of the game.


See the bold. Should that be the primary method of attack? We don’t have anyone else who can consistently catch the football and create mismatches in the secondary at the moment.
I think we see it a ton honestly to see if we can draw Edmunds out  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/14/2019 10:16 am : link
to the perimeter.
He said his blocking improved this year  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/14/2019 10:21 am : link
Did anyone notice last game? Likely hard to tell with Shoemur calling Eli rollouts on 4th and 1 and resting Saquon for a Rhett Ellison in the flats for a wco ELi 70% completion lead passing attack.
RE: He said his blocking improved this year  
Jay on the Island : 9/14/2019 10:23 am : link
In comment 14574835 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Did anyone notice last game? Likely hard to tell with Shoemur calling Eli rollouts on 4th and 1 and resting Saquon for a Rhett Ellison in the flats for a wco ELi 70% completion lead passing attack.

He had a great block on Barkley's big run on the first drive.
I would rather keep Engram inline at TE rather than split out wide  
Jay on the Island : 9/14/2019 10:30 am : link
He is more likely to be lined up versus a LB or S at TE.
We should go with heavier sets  
SLIM_ : 9/14/2019 11:41 am : link
We probably should run a base 2 TE set for about 30%. With the injuries at wide receiver, we should increase that and additionally ave more sets with 2 TE/1FB or 3 TE's.

It's been discussed about Engram at WR and he isn't a great mismatch there but when you get bigger players against him on the outside, that is the biggest match up issue. We need to get into these sets more.

Example of one I'd like to see. 2 tight and fullback. Bills may counter with a larger package. Shift out into a formation with both Barkley and Engram on the outside which should be a mismatch. However, you are in a 1-1 set. You can give it to Penny who is lined up as the running back. You can also go max protect with Penny and Ellison and look for the mismatch. Another play you can run here is a jet sweep (handoff or just play action) with Barkley as he goes in motion. If an actual play, you have Engram on the play side blocking someone probably smaller in space.

Not sure how you define a TE or a WR in today's game  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 9/14/2019 12:22 pm : link
Lil Bill largely destroyed that designation in terms of play design a decade ago. WRs in a bunch set. Are they WRs or TEs? Is a slot receiver a WR or a split out TE in terms of play design?

I doubt you would define Engram as a WR unless you have three traditional TEs on the field at the same time - even though his route might be more of a WR route. The fact is he sometimes splits out wide and sometimes plays in close. It seems like it is all labels and not play design. It is about creating and exploiting mismatches.
You can’t just play another position  
Vanzetti : 9/14/2019 2:05 pm : link
He doesn’t know the route trees or how corners play WR

I mean you can try it as a wrinkle to give the D another look but that is about it

More likely they run more two TE sets

"A day late and a dollar short" ...  
Manny in CA : 9/14/2019 2:17 pm : link

That seems to be the theme, these days.

Hopefully, things will improve, soon.
I think Engram had a ton of targets in game 1  
Jimmy Googs : 9/14/2019 2:44 pm : link
so not sure why it so important where he lines up as long as that continues...
Run more two TE  
AcesUp : 9/14/2019 2:50 pm : link
and have him run more routes/snap. I've been saying it since we took Barkley but I'd love it if this team transitioned to a 2 TE base. They need a better two way threat at TE to keep the defenses guessing and a true field stretcher on the perimeter but this offense can be lethal with a good OL and Barkley/Engram as movable chess pieces out of 2TE sets.
RE: You can’t just play another position  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/14/2019 2:53 pm : link
In comment 14575000 Vanzetti said:
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He doesn’t know the route trees or how corners play WR

I mean you can try it as a wrinkle to give the D another look but that is about it

More likely they run more two TE sets


He played wr his rookie year when the injuries hit and split time there in college.
One of the things everyone misses most about Engram  
Danny Dimes : 9/15/2019 12:09 am : link
Theres a lot actually, like his skilled blocking. But what I find most impressive is how he fakes his blocks before running out, he fools even the best LBs in the league
RE: One of the things everyone misses most about Engram  
Danny Dimes : 9/15/2019 12:11 am : link
In comment 14575408 Danny Dimes said:
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Theres a lot actually, like his skilled blocking. But what I find most impressive is how he fakes his blocks before running out, he fools even the best LBs in the league


Even though he doesn't even have to trick them, they cant catch up to his speed
Not sure I would refer to Engram as a skilled blocker yet.  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2019 7:33 am : link
He is better than he showed in year 1 but that would be expected with time.

I do think critical to this offense that he continues to improve his blocking and Ellison's route running/pass catching. Playing a dynamic 2-TE set is absolutely what they need with a crappy WR core.



Engram creates the mismatch when he is at TE  
EricJ : 9/15/2019 7:54 am : link
and lined up against a LB.

Even if Tate and S Shepard were playing, Engram and Barkley are our  
Ira : 9/15/2019 8:07 am : link
best receiving options.
RE: Engram creates the mismatch when he is at TE  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/15/2019 10:08 am : link
In comment 14575459 EricJ said:
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and lined up against a LB.


Not this week. Bills have Edmunds.
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