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How many touches for Barkley this Sunday?

EJJ : 9/14/2019 10:41 am
Is this the week Shurmer realizes the best back in football needs to get the dam ball at least 30 times a game??
IMHO Feed the beast, make them stop him it will open up so much more and keep the D off the field. They need to establish a personality on Offence.
Is this the week Barkley is allowed to control the game?
After being criticized for not using Barkley enough last week  
Jay on the Island : 9/14/2019 10:44 am : link
I expect a heavy dose of him this week. At least 25 touches.
45 touches  
micky : 9/14/2019 10:47 am : link
20 receiving
If it’s less than 30 times  
The_Boss : 9/14/2019 11:13 am : link
The Shurminator should be vilified after the game.
.....  
Route 9 : 9/14/2019 11:14 am : link
7.

6 of those 7 in the first half.
RE: If it’s less than 30 times  
The_Boss : 9/14/2019 11:15 am : link
In comment 14574881 The_Boss said:
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The Shurminator should be vilified after the game.


Should we lose, that is.
Shurmur mentioned pitch count in his interview this week,  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/14/2019 11:16 am : link
those of you expecting 30 plus touches every week are going to be sorely disappointed. They know they are going to suck this year. That being said I expect 30-35 this week just because our options are extremely limited.
Shurmur treats Barkley  
WillVAB : 9/14/2019 11:23 am : link
Like the 40 year old virgin treats his action figures.

If Shurmur doesn’t want to give Barkley 25 carries that’s fine, but he needs to be featured in the passing game.

He needs at least 30 touches. Doesn’t really matter run/pass touches but he needs to be featured in the offense. Especially considering the fact Sheppard and Tate are out.
As many as it takes.  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/14/2019 11:30 am : link
I'm not too bent out of shape about the Dallas game. That was a loss no matter what Barkley did, unless they let him play both ways.

This game is about as close to a must-win as you can get in Week 2. No point saving Barkley. What would they be saving him for? You have him for what - five years? Seven? 2019 is Year two. Time to find out whether he can carry a sh!tty team to respectability, because the team figures to be sh!tty until about Year Four.
I think BUF will load the box, they have good corners  
Jim in Forest Hills : 9/14/2019 11:36 am : link
and NYG has meh talent at WR.

I think the Giants receivers and Eli will have to win this game, expect 8 in the box.

I do expect more than 15 touches this week, but with BUF loading the box I expect and rightfully so Eli to check out of runs as necessary.

25 total touches would be fantastic.
Another Consideration Regarding Number of Touches for Barkley...  
Jim in Tampa : 9/14/2019 11:48 am : link
Buffalo is far less likely than Dallas to score a ton of points early. That means the Giants can stick with the running game if it's working and not feel like they have to pass the ball to catch up.
17 game career for Barkley  
90.Cal : 9/14/2019 11:50 am : link
We are 1-9 when he has 15 or less carries.
Don’t Be Do Sure  
Samiam : 9/14/2019 12:07 pm : link
Shurmur is not an idiot. Barkley didn’t play a down in preseason and I don’t have a problem with that given all the injuries. It takes awhile to get into game shape and it’s a long season. I don’t remember Barkley fumbling last year and he fumbled the 1st time he ran the ball. (I know the 2nd run was vintage Barkley). Shurmur is not going to overuse this talent at least early in the year. With the WR injuries, I think he’ll be used more as a receiver
RE: Don’t Be Do Sure  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/14/2019 12:24 pm : link
In comment 14574925 Samiam said:
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Shurmur is not an idiot. Barkley didn’t play a down in preseason and I don’t have a problem with that given all the injuries. It takes awhile to get into game shape and it’s a long season. I don’t remember Barkley fumbling last year and he fumbled the 1st time he ran the ball. (I know the 2nd run was vintage Barkley). Shurmur is not going to overuse this talent at least early in the year. With the WR injuries, I think he’ll be used more as a receiver


CMC touched the ball 30 times week 1 after one drive in preseason. Preseason has nothing to do with game shape. The fumble was just a perfect helmet hit to the ball where somehow the defender got lower than him even though Saquon had the ball like two feet off the ground. It happens.
Shurmur has to understand that his career is on a pitch count  
JohnB : 9/14/2019 2:01 pm : link
and he is deep into the count now. He'd better connect on some of these pitches or he'll be "out".
Buffalo is going to take Barkley away  
Vanzetti : 9/14/2019 2:01 pm : link
And force Eli and the receivers to beat them and they have s good enough D to do that

Bark has the ability to break one regardless but no way are Giants just going to be able to just run Saquon on first and second down
While there were a few time that SB should have been used  
Jimmy Googs : 9/14/2019 2:55 pm : link
more in short yardage last week, the biggest obstacle in him getting more touches is converting better on 3rd down as a whole.

Giants were 2 of 11 last week on 3rd down.

Shurmur is a strange dude. I don't think he is stupid but he certainly hasn't overwhelmed anybody with his smarts...

Hopefully  
Bluesbreaker : 9/14/2019 3:14 pm : link
Shurmur has a game plan to mix it up and get the
TE's involved so Barkley can get 20 or more rushing attempts
Buffalo will not be a pushover looks like a low scoring
slug-fest . It's a game they need to win establish
something at home .
RE: 17 game career for Barkley  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/14/2019 3:16 pm : link
In comment 14574919 90.Cal said:
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We are 1-9 when he has 15 or less carries.

Congrats for stumbling onto playcalling 101!

Yes, Barkley is the Giants' best weapon and the team would be better off giving him the ball more frequently. That said, teams run the ball less when they're losing. And the Giants have been losing a lot during Barkley's career.

My point is, you may be drawing a correlation where the causation is actually reversed. The Giants are running the ball less because they're losing, not losing because they're running the ball less.
hopefully as many touches as it takes to win the game. however they  
plato : 9/14/2019 4:59 pm : link
occur, run, pass, lateral.
RE: RE: 17 game career for Barkley  
MotownGIANTS : 9/14/2019 6:55 pm : link
In comment 14575062 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 14574919 90.Cal said:


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We are 1-9 when he has 15 or less carries.


Congrats for stumbling onto playcalling 101!

Yes, Barkley is the Giants' best weapon and the team would be better off giving him the ball more frequently. That said, teams run the ball less when they're losing. And the Giants have been losing a lot during Barkley's career.

My point is, you may be drawing a correlation where the causation is actually reversed. The Giants are running the ball less because they're losing, not losing because they're running the ball less.


Barkley was in on 80% (55) of the snaps (69) and touched the rock 16 times apprx 3.44 per play he was on the field for. Now not looking at solely stats and how the game played out slowing it down and running SB more was the best tactical move ... keep your D off the field and churn it out. We started off well, Shumur (and Bettcher) needs to learn how to adjust to the game vs the gameplan. There has to be talks while prepping on what adjustments will be made especially knowing the D is suspect. Utilize that new OL and Young Generational RB to pressure off the avg WR core and D that needs sometime to regroup and make adjustments. This game did not have to get out of hand the way it did.
*take pressure off  
MotownGIANTS : 9/14/2019 6:56 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: 17 game career for Barkley  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/14/2019 7:04 pm : link
In comment 14575199 MotownGIANTS said:
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In comment 14575062 Gatorade Dunk said:


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In comment 14574919 90.Cal said:


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We are 1-9 when he has 15 or less carries.


Congrats for stumbling onto playcalling 101!

Yes, Barkley is the Giants' best weapon and the team would be better off giving him the ball more frequently. That said, teams run the ball less when they're losing. And the Giants have been losing a lot during Barkley's career.

My point is, you may be drawing a correlation where the causation is actually reversed. The Giants are running the ball less because they're losing, not losing because they're running the ball less.



Barkley was in on 80% (55) of the snaps (69) and touched the rock 16 times apprx 3.44 per play he was on the field for. Now not looking at solely stats and how the game played out slowing it down and running SB more was the best tactical move ... keep your D off the field and churn it out. We started off well, Shumur (and Bettcher) needs to learn how to adjust to the game vs the gameplan. There has to be talks while prepping on what adjustments will be made especially knowing the D is suspect. Utilize that new OL and Young Generational RB to pressure off the avg WR core and D that needs sometime to regroup and make adjustments. This game did not have to get out of hand the way it did.

The poster I was replying to specifically referenced carries. Not touches. And while that seems like a semantic argument, with a back like Barkley, it's not. He's a weapon in the passing game obviously, so merely drawing a correlation between carries and wins strikes me as having the causation backwards.

That said, I'm not disagreeing with the idea that Barkley should have touched the ball more, or that running the ball more in general would have helped wear down their defense and keep ours off the field. But whenever people quote the correlation between a certain number of carries and winning the game, it's always a red flag.

It's the same as when people used to make the same claim about NBA teams, that those who shot the most 3's had the worst record - and they never even paused to consider that those bad teams were shooting 3's because they were always losing, not losing because they were shooting 3's.
RE: Don’t Be Do Sure  
santacruzom : 9/14/2019 7:18 pm : link
In comment 14574925 Samiam said:
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Shurmur is not an idiot.


Is that "Don't be so sure. Shurmur is not an idiot" or "Don't be so sure Shurmur is not an idiot?"
Shurmur's career is not on a pitch count this season. I think  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/14/2019 7:21 pm : link
people are having trouble reconciling the fact the front office does not think this is a good team yet. If we get blown out all season sure he'll probably get fired, but we don't play the Cowboys on the road every week with a new o coordinator.
Bills pass defense is pretty good...  
trueblueinpw : 9/14/2019 7:23 pm : link
So Shurmur will probably try to throw the ball at ‘em. You know, because they won’t expect it. Fool ‘em good!

Seriously don’t understand the take it easy on Barks business. Makes zero sense from any perspective. Sadly, I don’t think Shurmur and his coaching staff are working some master plan to keep Saquon sharp for future campaigns. I think they’re just too fucking stupid to give him the ball. Hope I’m wrong.
RE: Shurmur's career is not on a pitch count this season. I think  
Diver_Down : 9/14/2019 7:58 pm : link
In comment 14575215 Zeke's Alibi said:
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people are having trouble reconciling the fact the front office does not think this is a good team yet. If we get blown out all season sure he'll probably get fired, but we don't play the Cowboys on the road every week with a new o coordinator.


If we are getting blown out every week, it won't be Shurmur that gets fired. Unless Shurmur loses the lockerroom, Shurmur's tenure is tied to Jones. If we are getting blown out all season, then Bettcher will be left holding the bag.
12 Shurmer proves a point  
Reale01 : 9/14/2019 9:08 pm : link
Barkley is primarily focused on picking up the blitz.

"They were expecting him to run and catch passes. He can help us in a variety of ways and this week we chose to utilize his skills as a protector."
P. Shurmer

What about next week?

Shurmer
It will reveal itself.
RE: 17 game career for Barkley  
Jimmy Googs : 9/14/2019 10:31 pm : link
In comment 14574919 90.Cal said:
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We are 1-9 when he has 15 or less carries.


4-3 when he has more than 15 carries...domination
Saquan has 12 yards for carry  
Danny Dimes : 9/15/2019 12:06 am : link
He slacking, I was expecting 57 ypc
23  
Spike13 : 9/15/2019 12:18 am : link
148
RE: 23  
Danny Dimes : 9/15/2019 12:19 am : link
In comment 14575411 Spike13 said:
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148


8 carries
310 yards
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