Not saying I disagree with you but how many coaches have to get fired and roster turn over to realize the only constant is Manning. It’s always everyone’s fault except for the 2 time Super Bowl winner.
Funny you should write that. Watching Shurmur’s presser gave me that feeling. He wasn’t happy by any means, but it seemed much too normal for him to answer questions this week about losing.
And what gets me is that they are likely to make the same mistake with their next HC and/or GM.
They were so confident in Shurmur! They won't allow themselves to think they made a mistake that can be repeated. Self-reflection is not a strength of this leadership.
asked Shurmur about Jones playing next week. His response: that's not a conversation right now.
Freaking cowards
Shurmur can only do what mara allows. Mara is the coward who puts eli ahead of whats best for the franchise
Yeah, it was more pointed to them all. Mara for his feelings towards Eli, Shurmur not wanting to against Mara, and I guess pride with DG for his "plan"
The press likely ramps up the pressure this week. Probably sooner than later Mara will have a talk with Eli and then they make the move. I can't imagine Mara likes seeing Eli go through this both on the field and in the press. The Tisch family could also put the pressure as well.
asked Shurmur about Jones playing next week. His response: that's not a conversation right now.
Freaking cowards
Shurmur can only do what mara allows. Mara is the coward who puts eli ahead of whats best for the franchise
Then Shurmur should walk. He was hired to coach the team and that should include who plays and doesn’t play. I agree with your post, but how can anybody be expected to coach under those circumstances, if they are indeed the circumstances.
Fire DG, fire shurmur, does it really matter when mara will be picking the next GM and HC and still have the same scouts from WW2, and chris mara still involved ? OR unwilling to move on from ELi because he doesn't want to hurt his feelings ?
IF mara owned the cowboyd, eagles, or redkins we would be laughing at his ineptitude like we do with snyder. Guess what ? All those teams including the rest of the NFL are laughing at Mara and the giants now.
Im surprised how his incompetence and how badly the franchise has gone into toilet under his watch is not the main topic by the fans or the media right now
Either those Buffalo defenders were 10 feet tall or Â
He's fine when having a whole week to design a drive against an opponent but he has no clue what to do after that when the other team makes adjustments.
One great drive a game doesn't cut it and it's the adjustments that win games. So far it looks to me like he has no idea how to adjust or how to use Saquon in the passing game.
RE: Shurmur is leaving a lot to be desired for me Â
He's fine when having a whole week to design a drive against an opponent but he has no clue what to do after that when the other team makes adjustments.
One great drive a game doesn't cut it and it's the adjustments that win games. So far it looks to me like he has no idea how to adjust or how to use Saquon in the passing game.
He's completely underutilizing Saquon. Lack of touchs and design in the passing game
Our 2 first rounders (who actually see the field) Â
but coaching is definitely an issue. Shurmur isn't the guy to lead a team anywhere. He's classic middle management, not leadership.
That's why Daniel Jones has to play right now. It's as much about evaluating Shurmer as it is getting Jones' feet wet. Changing coaches again after 2 years would look terrible, but keeping a bad coach just to watch a non-improving shitshow again in 2020 is even worse.
but coaching is definitely an issue. Shurmur isn't the guy to lead a team anywhere. He's classic middle management, not leadership.
I'll bet we would not see this stuff under Wellington if he were here. He managed to find guys to get us to postseason and beyond. So far thi owner has selected a QB coach and a OC. Each suck.
but coaching is definitely an issue. Shurmur isn't the guy to lead a team anywhere. He's classic middle management, not leadership.
I'll bet we would not see this stuff under Wellington if he were here. He managed to find guys to get us to postseason and beyond. So far thi owner has selected a QB coach and a OC. Each suck.
The fucking General Manager leaves a lot to be desired as well....
but coaching is definitely an issue. Shurmur isn't the guy to lead a team anywhere. He's classic middle management, not leadership.
I'll bet we would not see this stuff under Wellington if he were here. He managed to find guys to get us to postseason and beyond. So far thi owner has selected a QB coach and a OC. Each suck.
Some of the old-timers on here can be more informative, but Welly had the same issues throughout his time. The league intervened to help the Giants franchise become more competitive after 25 years of horrible football.
much to early to judge Baker. He absolutely looks lost in any kind of zone coverage. But many rookies struggle, especially at CB. He also missed most of camp. I do agree though that he should be benched. Ballentine should play. The only reason Baker is playing is because he was a first round pick. Love should also play more.
RE: Shurmur is leaving a lot to be desired for me Â
He's fine when having a whole week to design a drive against an opponent but he has no clue what to do after that when the other team makes adjustments.
One great drive a game doesn't cut it and it's the adjustments that win games. So far it looks to me like he has no idea how to adjust or how to use Saquon in the passing game.
Can you imagine SB playing for Andy Reid or Peyton? Let alone Little Bill.
but coaching is definitely an issue. Shurmur isn't the guy to lead a team anywhere. He's classic middle management, not leadership.
I'll bet we would not see this stuff under Wellington if he were here. He managed to find guys to get us to postseason and beyond. So far thi owner has selected a QB coach and a OC. Each suck.
The fucking General Manager leaves a lot to be desired as well....
he specializes in building "house of cards" structures. plug in a bunch of NFL has beens more so than quality FAs and put the team on the field. Incompetent drafting, development and ownership is responsible. I stopped believing him when he suggested Eli was still real. Bullshit. kissing up to owners for his job.
RE: Our 2 first rounders (who actually see the field) Â
Sure look great too. Baker looks like the CC Brown of CB's.
He's not that though. He's being used completely opposite of his strengths.
I said in another post he's not Revis but plays a similar game.Give him a guy to cover, let him get up in his face at the line, play tight man and he'll be fine. He might struggle a little this year ( not any more than he already is) while he gets experience, but play to his strengths. It'll pay off and allow him to be comfortable and do his thing.
He's played off guys and zone more this year in two games than I've seen him in the last two years at UGA
but coaching is definitely an issue. Shurmur isn't the guy to lead a team anywhere. He's classic middle management, not leadership.
I'll bet we would not see this stuff under Wellington if he were here. He managed to find guys to get us to postseason and beyond. So far thi owner has selected a QB coach and a OC. Each suck.
You really don't know the history of the Giants, do you?
reminds me of what happened with Webster. Webster was completely lost and regularly toasted until we started using him as a man corner. That's what we should do with Baker. We're not utilizing Baker's strengths, which is bad coaching, just as it was with Corey.
but coaching is definitely an issue. Shurmur isn't the guy to lead a team anywhere. He's classic middle management, not leadership.
I'll bet we would not see this stuff under Wellington if he were here. He managed to find guys to get us to postseason and beyond. So far thi owner has selected a QB coach and a OC. Each suck.
You really don't know the history of the Giants, do you?
don't know the whole history beyond my observation of 80's, 90's 2000 to present. Some big names pop up in terms of GMs, Coaches, and Superbowls. His son has really mismanaged the organization assets with his flip-flop and gutless actions post 2011. Rewind to that TC diss when he left. Tells you the coward he is.
And the only way that I can say it is that this team needs a spark. The fans were trying to get into the game and once things started to snowball, everyone knew how it was going to end. The Giants are 0-2 again. Might well be 0-3 after next week. They are going nowhere.
I'm actually ok with the defense taking their lumps in the name of learning the pro speed of the game and getting better. I'm not ok with the offense laboring around after a good opening drive.
For the millionth time "it's not Eli's fault" doesn't mean anything to me anymore. This is bigger than Eli. Is Eli Manning the reason the Giants are losing games? Not really. But is Eli Manning helping them win? No, he's not. And at age 38 with your future Franchise QB on the bench (or who you hope is your future franchise QB), it's time to make the move.
This team is lifeless. The fans have bypassed frustrated and gone straight to bored/resigned. Losing has set in and become the norm. Enough is enough. Get Jones in the game and let him learn on the fly and get a head start on 2020 where you are actually building to something. I know the Giants have been using kid gloves on Eli, but it's time to move on. The only way to revitalize this team...really revitalize it, is with a new QB.
And the only way that I can say it is that this team needs a spark. The fans were trying to get into the game and once things started to snowball, everyone knew how it was going to end. The Giants are 0-2 again. Might well be 0-3 after next week. They are going nowhere.
I'm actually ok with the defense taking their lumps in the name of learning the pro speed of the game and getting better. I'm not ok with the offense laboring around after a good opening drive.
For the millionth time "it's not Eli's fault" doesn't mean anything to me anymore. This is bigger than Eli. Is Eli Manning the reason the Giants are losing games? Not really. But is Eli Manning helping them win? No, he's not. And at age 38 with your future Franchise QB on the bench (or who you hope is your future franchise QB), it's time to make the move.
This team is lifeless. The fans have bypassed frustrated and gone straight to bored/resigned. Losing has set in and become the norm. Enough is enough. Get Jones in the game and let him learn on the fly and get a head start on 2020 where you are actually building to something. I know the Giants have been using kid gloves on Eli, but it's time to move on. The only way to revitalize this team...really revitalize it, is with a new QB.
When our big 31 year old FA acquisition coming off PED suspension joins an 0-4 team...I can't believe DG thought we could "win and rebuild at the same time". Drafting guys like Lawrence and Baker only shows how adamant he was looking for immediate contributors.
much to early to judge Baker. He absolutely looks lost in any kind of zone coverage. But many rookies struggle, especially at CB. He also missed most of camp. I do agree though that he should be benched. Ballentine should play. The only reason Baker is playing is because he was a first round pick. Love should also play more.
agree 100%
I don't think its anything more than saying to Eli Â
And the only way that I can say it is that this team needs a spark. The fans were trying to get into the game and once things started to snowball, everyone knew how it was going to end. The Giants are 0-2 again. Might well be 0-3 after next week. They are going nowhere.
I'm actually ok with the defense taking their lumps in the name of learning the pro speed of the game and getting better. I'm not ok with the offense laboring around after a good opening drive.
For the millionth time "it's not Eli's fault" doesn't mean anything to me anymore. This is bigger than Eli. Is Eli Manning the reason the Giants are losing games? Not really. But is Eli Manning helping them win? No, he's not. And at age 38 with your future Franchise QB on the bench (or who you hope is your future franchise QB), it's time to make the move.
This team is lifeless. The fans have bypassed frustrated and gone straight to bored/resigned. Losing has set in and become the norm. Enough is enough. Get Jones in the game and let him learn on the fly and get a head start on 2020 where you are actually building to something. I know the Giants have been using kid gloves on Eli, but it's time to move on. The only way to revitalize this team...really revitalize it, is with a new QB.
The way the fans feel about the Giants is like the five stages of grief, with the last stage being acceptance.
reminds me of what happened with Webster. Webster was completely lost and regularly toasted until we started using him as a man corner. That's what we should do with Baker. We're not utilizing Baker's strengths, which is bad coaching, just as it was with Corey.
100% agree.
No idea why they would scout him, like what they see enough use a 1sr rd pick on him and then use him in a completely different way than what he does best.
Same way I have no idea why they don't use Saquon right in the passing game. Only explanation for me is bad coaching.
Jones isn't about this year, it's about next year. Jones isn't going to take us to the playoffs this year. But playing him now means he might be ready to really lead the team next September. That way we don't waste another year of Barkley's rookie contract.
reminds me of what happened with Webster. Webster was completely lost and regularly toasted until we started using him as a man corner. That's what we should do with Baker. We're not utilizing Baker's strengths, which is bad coaching, just as it was with Corey.
100% agree.
No idea why they would scout him, like what they see enough use a 1sr rd pick on him and then use him in a completely different way than what he does best.
Same way I have no idea why they don't use Saquon right in the passing game. Only explanation for me is bad coaching.
We used a first, fourth, and fifth, which is fine. But use him correctly. Right now, what they're doing with Baker is like trying to jam the proverbial round peg into a square hole.
reminds me of what happened with Webster. Webster was completely lost and regularly toasted until we started using him as a man corner. That's what we should do with Baker. We're not utilizing Baker's strengths, which is bad coaching, just as it was with Corey.
100% agree.
No idea why they would scout him, like what they see enough use a 1sr rd pick on him and then use him in a completely different way than what he does best.
Same way I have no idea why they don't use Saquon right in the passing game. Only explanation for me is bad coaching.
Because we really have horrible coaching staff overall! Starts at the top with HC Shurmur. They don't play to the players strengths?! Look at how they let go of TJ Jones who was playing really good for us in preseason? I'm really scared now they let go of Lauletta and made a huge mistake?1? Giants just hire friends.. smh..
Jones isn't about this year, it's about next year. Jones isn't going to take us to the playoffs this year. But playing him now means he might be ready to really lead the team next September. That way we don't waste another year of Barkley's rookie contract.
Agreed, it's getting him experience so that we have a shot at the playoffs in 2020 just as the Giants did with Eli in 2004.
Not saying I disagree with you but how many coaches have to get fired and roster turn over to realize the only constant is Manning. It’s always everyone’s fault except for the 2 time Super Bowl winner.
Freaking cowards
Thats a good thing? I did see him get repeatedly steamrolled by a G at the second level smh
Funny you should write that. Watching Shurmur’s presser gave me that feeling. He wasn’t happy by any means, but it seemed much too normal for him to answer questions this week about losing.
Freaking cowards
That's sounds like ownership more than anything else.
Freaking cowards
Shurmur can only do what mara allows. Mara is the coward who puts eli ahead of whats best for the franchise
And what gets me is that they are likely to make the same mistake with their next HC and/or GM.
They were so confident in Shurmur! They won't allow themselves to think they made a mistake that can be repeated. Self-reflection is not a strength of this leadership.
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asked Shurmur about Jones playing next week. His response: that's not a conversation right now.
Freaking cowards
Shurmur can only do what mara allows. Mara is the coward who puts eli ahead of whats best for the franchise
wonder if they have sponsorship agreements like Toyota, etc that factor into this? contracts that drive money more than results?
I’m having a hard time dredging up fucks to give.
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asked Shurmur about Jones playing next week. His response: that's not a conversation right now.
Freaking cowards
Shurmur can only do what mara allows. Mara is the coward who puts eli ahead of whats best for the franchise
Yeah, it was more pointed to them all. Mara for his feelings towards Eli, Shurmur not wanting to against Mara, and I guess pride with DG for his "plan"
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asked Shurmur about Jones playing next week. His response: that's not a conversation right now.
Freaking cowards
Shurmur can only do what mara allows. Mara is the coward who puts eli ahead of whats best for the franchise
Then Shurmur should walk. He was hired to coach the team and that should include who plays and doesn’t play. I agree with your post, but how can anybody be expected to coach under those circumstances, if they are indeed the circumstances.
But he has a point. even though his play hasn't been great either
IF mara owned the cowboyd, eagles, or redkins we would be laughing at his ineptitude like we do with snyder. Guess what ? All those teams including the rest of the NFL are laughing at Mara and the giants now.
Im surprised how his incompetence and how badly the franchise has gone into toilet under his watch is not the main topic by the fans or the media right now
A pass to a WR/TE that actually has yards after the catch will be the first of the season...
But he has a point. even though his play hasn't been great either
I saw and heard his comments. He also said players need to come to play. Definitely a culture problem now....LOL.
One great drive a game doesn't cut it and it's the adjustments that win games. So far it looks to me like he has no idea how to adjust or how to use Saquon in the passing game.
One great drive a game doesn't cut it and it's the adjustments that win games. So far it looks to me like he has no idea how to adjust or how to use Saquon in the passing game.
He's completely underutilizing Saquon. Lack of touchs and design in the passing game
That's why Daniel Jones has to play right now. It's as much about evaluating Shurmer as it is getting Jones' feet wet. Changing coaches again after 2 years would look terrible, but keeping a bad coach just to watch a non-improving shitshow again in 2020 is even worse.
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but coaching is definitely an issue. Shurmur isn't the guy to lead a team anywhere. He's classic middle management, not leadership.
I'll bet we would not see this stuff under Wellington if he were here. He managed to find guys to get us to postseason and beyond. So far thi owner has selected a QB coach and a OC. Each suck.
The fucking General Manager leaves a lot to be desired as well....
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but coaching is definitely an issue. Shurmur isn't the guy to lead a team anywhere. He's classic middle management, not leadership.
I'll bet we would not see this stuff under Wellington if he were here. He managed to find guys to get us to postseason and beyond. So far thi owner has selected a QB coach and a OC. Each suck.
Some of the old-timers on here can be more informative, but Welly had the same issues throughout his time. The league intervened to help the Giants franchise become more competitive after 25 years of horrible football.
One great drive a game doesn't cut it and it's the adjustments that win games. So far it looks to me like he has no idea how to adjust or how to use Saquon in the passing game.
Can you imagine SB playing for Andy Reid or Peyton? Let alone Little Bill.
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but coaching is definitely an issue. Shurmur isn't the guy to lead a team anywhere. He's classic middle management, not leadership.
I'll bet we would not see this stuff under Wellington if he were here. He managed to find guys to get us to postseason and beyond. So far thi owner has selected a QB coach and a OC. Each suck.
The fucking General Manager leaves a lot to be desired as well....
he specializes in building "house of cards" structures. plug in a bunch of NFL has beens more so than quality FAs and put the team on the field. Incompetent drafting, development and ownership is responsible. I stopped believing him when he suggested Eli was still real. Bullshit. kissing up to owners for his job.
He's not that though. He's being used completely opposite of his strengths.
I said in another post he's not Revis but plays a similar game.Give him a guy to cover, let him get up in his face at the line, play tight man and he'll be fine. He might struggle a little this year ( not any more than he already is) while he gets experience, but play to his strengths. It'll pay off and allow him to be comfortable and do his thing.
He's played off guys and zone more this year in two games than I've seen him in the last two years at UGA
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but coaching is definitely an issue. Shurmur isn't the guy to lead a team anywhere. He's classic middle management, not leadership.
I'll bet we would not see this stuff under Wellington if he were here. He managed to find guys to get us to postseason and beyond. So far thi owner has selected a QB coach and a OC. Each suck.
You really don't know the history of the Giants, do you?
But but but... we're still "in the hunt" according to that FOX diagram
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but coaching is definitely an issue. Shurmur isn't the guy to lead a team anywhere. He's classic middle management, not leadership.
I'll bet we would not see this stuff under Wellington if he were here. He managed to find guys to get us to postseason and beyond. So far thi owner has selected a QB coach and a OC. Each suck.
You really don't know the history of the Giants, do you?
don't know the whole history beyond my observation of 80's, 90's 2000 to present. Some big names pop up in terms of GMs, Coaches, and Superbowls. His son has really mismanaged the organization assets with his flip-flop and gutless actions post 2011. Rewind to that TC diss when he left. Tells you the coward he is.
I'm actually ok with the defense taking their lumps in the name of learning the pro speed of the game and getting better. I'm not ok with the offense laboring around after a good opening drive.
For the millionth time "it's not Eli's fault" doesn't mean anything to me anymore. This is bigger than Eli. Is Eli Manning the reason the Giants are losing games? Not really. But is Eli Manning helping them win? No, he's not. And at age 38 with your future Franchise QB on the bench (or who you hope is your future franchise QB), it's time to make the move.
This team is lifeless. The fans have bypassed frustrated and gone straight to bored/resigned. Losing has set in and become the norm. Enough is enough. Get Jones in the game and let him learn on the fly and get a head start on 2020 where you are actually building to something. I know the Giants have been using kid gloves on Eli, but it's time to move on. The only way to revitalize this team...really revitalize it, is with a new QB.
I'm actually ok with the defense taking their lumps in the name of learning the pro speed of the game and getting better. I'm not ok with the offense laboring around after a good opening drive.
For the millionth time "it's not Eli's fault" doesn't mean anything to me anymore. This is bigger than Eli. Is Eli Manning the reason the Giants are losing games? Not really. But is Eli Manning helping them win? No, he's not. And at age 38 with your future Franchise QB on the bench (or who you hope is your future franchise QB), it's time to make the move.
This team is lifeless. The fans have bypassed frustrated and gone straight to bored/resigned. Losing has set in and become the norm. Enough is enough. Get Jones in the game and let him learn on the fly and get a head start on 2020 where you are actually building to something. I know the Giants have been using kid gloves on Eli, but it's time to move on. The only way to revitalize this team...really revitalize it, is with a new QB.
I couldn't have said it better.
agree 100%
I'm actually ok with the defense taking their lumps in the name of learning the pro speed of the game and getting better. I'm not ok with the offense laboring around after a good opening drive.
For the millionth time "it's not Eli's fault" doesn't mean anything to me anymore. This is bigger than Eli. Is Eli Manning the reason the Giants are losing games? Not really. But is Eli Manning helping them win? No, he's not. And at age 38 with your future Franchise QB on the bench (or who you hope is your future franchise QB), it's time to make the move.
This team is lifeless. The fans have bypassed frustrated and gone straight to bored/resigned. Losing has set in and become the norm. Enough is enough. Get Jones in the game and let him learn on the fly and get a head start on 2020 where you are actually building to something. I know the Giants have been using kid gloves on Eli, but it's time to move on. The only way to revitalize this team...really revitalize it, is with a new QB.
The way the fans feel about the Giants is like the five stages of grief, with the last stage being acceptance.
100% agree.
No idea why they would scout him, like what they see enough use a 1sr rd pick on him and then use him in a completely different way than what he does best.
Same way I have no idea why they don't use Saquon right in the passing game. Only explanation for me is bad coaching.
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reminds me of what happened with Webster. Webster was completely lost and regularly toasted until we started using him as a man corner. That's what we should do with Baker. We're not utilizing Baker's strengths, which is bad coaching, just as it was with Corey.
100% agree.
No idea why they would scout him, like what they see enough use a 1sr rd pick on him and then use him in a completely different way than what he does best.
Same way I have no idea why they don't use Saquon right in the passing game. Only explanation for me is bad coaching.
We used a first, fourth, and fifth, which is fine. But use him correctly. Right now, what they're doing with Baker is like trying to jam the proverbial round peg into a square hole.
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reminds me of what happened with Webster. Webster was completely lost and regularly toasted until we started using him as a man corner. That's what we should do with Baker. We're not utilizing Baker's strengths, which is bad coaching, just as it was with Corey.
100% agree.
No idea why they would scout him, like what they see enough use a 1sr rd pick on him and then use him in a completely different way than what he does best.
Same way I have no idea why they don't use Saquon right in the passing game. Only explanation for me is bad coaching.
Because we really have horrible coaching staff overall! Starts at the top with HC Shurmur. They don't play to the players strengths?! Look at how they let go of TJ Jones who was playing really good for us in preseason? I'm really scared now they let go of Lauletta and made a huge mistake?1? Giants just hire friends.. smh..
Agreed, it's getting him experience so that we have a shot at the playoffs in 2020 just as the Giants did with Eli in 2004.