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Britt in VA : 9/15/2019 4:25 pm
Eli was ineffective.

With the team playing this bad, Eli is ineffective and seemingly irrelevant to the outcomes of games.

I hesitate to put Jones in with these WR's, but there's nothing to lose at this point. This team is clearly going nowhere, so might as well get some meaningful game time in for Jones.

Put me in the start Jones camp. I'll still root for Manning as long as he's starting, but am ready to see what we have with Jones.

So come in and take your shots. There appears to be a certain level of glee happening right now, and I guess it's well deserved? Whatever. I want what's best for the Giants and that appears to me to be to get Jones in there now.

The team has no identity on offense or defense, but that's a whole other thread.
Jones needs to start..  
darren in pdx : 9/15/2019 4:27 pm : link
the only counter-argument is that it sends a message to the team that you're tanking..but after that they should get it.
Thought they  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/15/2019 4:27 pm : link
would be a pretty good team but I agree. I could see Mara waiting till Sheppard and Tate come back but they really need to see how Shurmur develops Jones and the D needs to progess.

I don't like giving Shurmur a pass by keeping Eli in. I am very concerned with how he is leading this team. No progress.
Jones needs to start ASAP  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/15/2019 4:28 pm : link
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There  
crick n NC : 9/15/2019 4:31 pm : link
Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.
No shots from me Britt. I agree with everything you said.  
Blue21 : 9/15/2019 4:31 pm : link
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My Prediction  
WillVAB : 9/15/2019 4:31 pm : link
Jones sucks ass and Eli wins a SB with an actual football team.

This board implodes when the next Dave Brown era ensues.
Hey at least you  
Les in TO : 9/15/2019 4:32 pm : link
Are finally coming around and are civil about it.
There is a way to combat...  
bw in dc : 9/15/2019 4:32 pm : link
the mediocre WR corp - run Barkley until he vomits and leverage Jones's mobility.
RE: My Prediction  
crick n NC : 9/15/2019 4:33 pm : link
In comment 14577683 WillVAB said:
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Jones sucks ass and Eli wins a SB with an actual football team.

This board implodes when the next Dave Brown era ensues.


"Sucks ass" is an interesting choice to use to describe your prediction, almost as if a part of you hopes Jones "Sucks ass".
RE: My Prediction  
Dutch77 : 9/15/2019 4:34 pm : link
In comment 14577683 WillVAB said:
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Jones sucks ass and Eli wins a SB with an actual football team.

This board implodes when the next Dave Brown era ensues.

Good thing we don’t have to worry about your prediction coming true. You sound like an Eli fan not a Giants fan.
The glee is just your swing on it  
Jim in Forest Hills : 9/15/2019 4:35 pm : link
I just see angry frustrated fans.
And let's be honest here...  
bw in dc : 9/15/2019 4:35 pm : link
and I'm no member of the EFC, the problem with this team widespread - ownership, talent evaluation, and coaching.

Eli is just an easy target because that's how the NFL works.
RE: There is a way to combat...  
Dutch77 : 9/15/2019 4:36 pm : link
In comment 14577692 bw in dc said:
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the mediocre WR corp - run Barkley until he vomits and leverage Jones's mobility.

More like mediocre QB.
Problem is  
Steve in ATL : 9/15/2019 4:37 pm : link
Mara probably won't let Shurmer make the change yet.
To Daniel Jones  
Jay on the Island : 9/15/2019 4:39 pm : link
The WR's the Giants currently have will look like Calvin Johnson compared to what he had in college.
I don't think Jones  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 9/15/2019 4:39 pm : link
gets the nod until Shepard and Tate are in there
Time  
gmenatlarge : 9/15/2019 4:39 pm : link
To pull the band-aid off, no point in Eli playing anymore.
Eli is, and has been a joke...  
silverfox : 9/15/2019 4:39 pm : link
for years. He wasn't that good when he was that good. Very lucky 2x in his career, helped by a lot of luck and good defenses an entire career throwing check-downs which inflated his numbers big time.
RE: Eli is, and has been a joke...  
crick n NC : 9/15/2019 4:40 pm : link
In comment 14577738 silverfox said:
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for years. He wasn't that good when he was that good. Very lucky 2x in his career, helped by a lot of luck and good defenses an entire career throwing check-downs which inflated his numbers big time.


Teach us more teacher!
RE: My Prediction  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 9/15/2019 4:41 pm : link
In comment 14577683 WillVAB said:
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Jones sucks ass and Eli wins a SB with an actual football team.

This board implodes when the next Dave Brown era ensues.


There is zero chance Eli ever sniffs the SuperBowl unless he is riding New England's bench.
RE: Jones needs to start..  
mrvax : 9/15/2019 4:42 pm : link
In comment 14577655 darren in pdx said:
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the only counter-argument is that it sends a message to the team that you're tanking..but after that they should get it.


I disagree. Benching Eli for Jones tells me the staff is willing to waste $20M+ in order to just win. One would expect DJ to perform better than Eli, not worse.
...  
christian : 9/15/2019 4:45 pm : link
Manning's going to be the crash test dummy and get beat like a bag figuratively and literally a while longer.

He'll be boo'd on the field and ridiculed in the media. He'll be benched, and leave the team with a losing record. He'll never win another game as a Giant, and will wind up with a career losing record.

I'll never understand why Manning was brought back to this team this year. I'll never really forgive Gettleman for doing this.
RE: RE: My Prediction  
WillVAB : 9/15/2019 4:46 pm : link
In comment 14577698 crick n NC said:
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Jones sucks ass and Eli wins a SB with an actual football team.

This board implodes when the next Dave Brown era ensues.



"Sucks ass" is an interesting choice to use to describe your prediction, almost as if a part of you hopes Jones "Sucks ass".


I hope Jones is the next guy but I feel like I’ve seen this movie before.

This team is a train wreck. The OL is suspect. The WRs are trash. Engram is a Jordan Reed clone. Barkley isn’t used right.

The defense is an abomination. Absolutely zero pass rush from an organization that has prided itself on getting after the QB. JAG LBs. A ton of picks and trades in the secondary and none of them are worth a shit.

The ‘19 draft set this team back a minimum of 3 years even if Jones is good. Wasted picks on corners who aren’t worth a shit. OL still in flux. Zero top end pass rushers in the pipeline when truly elite pass rushers ever hit FA.

This is a bum ass roster with a bum ass HC with no hope for the future. Maybe if they get enough top 10 picks they’ll land a passrusher before Barley turns 30.
RE: There  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2019 4:47 pm : link
In comment 14577678 crick n NC said:
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.


where is this happiness? Seriously, what thread is that on?
Hi  
crick n NC : 9/15/2019 4:47 pm : link
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RE: There  
BestFeature : 9/15/2019 4:47 pm : link
In comment 14577678 crick n NC said:
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.


Because loyalty and respect are irrelevant when it comes to winning games. I couldn't give two shits about anything beyond winning. I think we gave Eli enough respect by making him an extremely wealthy man.
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crick n NC : 9/15/2019 4:49 pm : link
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.



Because loyalty and respect are irrelevant when it comes to winning games. I couldn't give two shits about anything beyond winning. I think we gave Eli enough respect by making him an extremely wealthy man.


And winning is a team effort

You didn't pay Eli anything.
Where is this glee?  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2019 4:50 pm : link
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There appears to be a certain level of glee happening right now, and I guess it's well deserved?


Or is this some kind of deflection of wanting to blame this on Giant fans that want a different direction...
Glee?  
BH28 : 9/15/2019 4:51 pm : link
The writing has been on the wall for two years with Eli. When the team traded away it's best WR, it was punting on Eli. Eli can handle Odell. They were afraid Jones couldn't.

Nobody thought this team would compete this year and it was a joke if the front office thought they could. They basically set Manning up for failure by taking away weapons but he really hasn't done himself any favors the first two weeks. It's been the same story for the last 4 years on offense and there has only been one constant.
Perception  
crick n NC : 9/15/2019 4:52 pm : link
People perceive things differently. Just as you think it's absolutely ridiculous that some of us feel that some fans are happy to be right shitty circumstances, I think it's ridiculous that you can't pick up on it.
RE: RE: RE: My Prediction  
Dutch77 : 9/15/2019 4:53 pm : link
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Jones sucks ass and Eli wins a SB with an actual football team.

This board implodes when the next Dave Brown era ensues.



"Sucks ass" is an interesting choice to use to describe your prediction, almost as if a part of you hopes Jones "Sucks ass".



I hope Jones is the next guy but I feel like I’ve seen this movie before.

This team is a train wreck. The OL is suspect. The WRs are trash. Engram is a Jordan Reed clone. Barkley isn’t used right.

The defense is an abomination. Absolutely zero pass rush from an organization that has prided itself on getting after the QB. JAG LBs. A ton of picks and trades in the secondary and none of them are worth a shit.

The ‘19 draft set this team back a minimum of 3 years even if Jones is good. Wasted picks on corners who aren’t worth a shit. OL still in flux. Zero top end pass rushers in the pipeline when truly elite pass rushers ever hit FA.

This is a bum ass roster with a bum ass HC with no hope for the future. Maybe if they get enough top 10 picks they’ll land a passrusher before Barley turns 30.

I love how you conveniently leave Archie’s kid off the list of what’s wrong with this team. SMH
RE: RE: My Prediction  
WillVAB : 9/15/2019 4:54 pm : link
In comment 14577744 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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Jones sucks ass and Eli wins a SB with an actual football team.

This board implodes when the next Dave Brown era ensues.



There is zero chance Eli ever sniffs the SuperBowl unless he is riding New England's bench.


I think there are legitimately good football teams out there who could benefit from Eli’s durability, experience, and ability in a playoff atmosphere.

I think Giants fans think he’s a bum based off of the bum ass roster he’s been a part of the last 8 years. I think other teams may value what he brings to the table.

At the end of the day it is what it is. Eli is done here and Jones is the future. I just think it will be more losing with Jones while Eli May have success if he lands with the right club.
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WillVAB : 9/15/2019 4:59 pm : link
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.



Because loyalty and respect are irrelevant when it comes to winning games. I couldn't give two shits about anything beyond winning. I think we gave Eli enough respect by making him an extremely wealthy man.


“We” made him extremely wealthy? You’re a fucking clown.
RE: Perception  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2019 4:59 pm : link
In comment 14577809 crick n NC said:
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People perceive things differently. Just as you think it's absolutely ridiculous that some of us feel that some fans are happy to be right shitty circumstances, I think it's ridiculous that you can't pick up on it.


The only thing ridiculous is you all thinking Giant fans are celebrating in the streets.

I'm pissed that yet another year is going down the toilet. I am not even pissed about the 0-2 record, but moreso that the team is not showing/doing anything different...at all.
RE: And let's be honest here...  
chuckydee9 : 9/15/2019 5:00 pm : link
In comment 14577712 bw in dc said:
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and I'm no member of the EFC, the problem with this team widespread - ownership, talent evaluation, and coaching.

Eli is just an easy target because that's how the NFL works.

Eli is an easy target because everything else has been changed three times over.. well the ownership hasn't changed either.. but I don't think you'll find anyone here that blames Eli more m than ownership..
I will ask again  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2019 5:01 pm : link
show me the threads that have glee and happiness.

If you don't I will assume you are just making it up...
RE: RE: RE: My Prediction  
Dutch77 : 9/15/2019 5:01 pm : link
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Jones sucks ass and Eli wins a SB with an actual football team.

This board implodes when the next Dave Brown era ensues.



There is zero chance Eli ever sniffs the SuperBowl unless he is riding New England's bench.



I think there are legitimately good football teams out there who could benefit from Eli’s durability, experience, and ability in a playoff atmosphere.

I think Giants fans think he’s a bum based off of the bum ass roster he’s been a part of the last 8 years. I think other teams may value what he brings to the table.

At the end of the day it is what it is. Eli is done here and Jones is the future. I just think it will be more losing with Jones while Eli May have success if he lands with the right club.

No one besides some Giant fans think Eli is a good QB. Other teams salivate to play an Eli Manning. They know he’s guaranteed to either fumble, throw a pick, or throw 1 meaningless touchdown a game.
RE: RE: Perception  
crick n NC : 9/15/2019 5:02 pm : link
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People perceive things differently. Just as you think it's absolutely ridiculous that some of us feel that some fans are happy to be right shitty circumstances, I think it's ridiculous that you can't pick up on it.



The only thing ridiculous is you all thinking Giant fans are celebrating in the streets.

I'm pissed that yet another year is going down the toilet. I am not even pissed about the 0-2 record, but moreso that the team is not showing/doing anything different...at all.


Didn't I cover that in my post?
The difference is that I know my perception has the possibility of being wrong. You're not one to question your own thoughts and opinions, which I find ridiculous.
RE: RE: RE: There  
BestFeature : 9/15/2019 5:05 pm : link
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.



Because loyalty and respect are irrelevant when it comes to winning games. I couldn't give two shits about anything beyond winning. I think we gave Eli enough respect by making him an extremely wealthy man.



And winning is a team effort

You didn't pay Eli anything.


The revenue from fans goes to pay his salary, so no you're wrong. Also, I never said winning wasn't a team effort just that respect should play 0 role in anything related to personnel decisions.
No one is happy. Because posters may come out and say  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2019 5:06 pm : link
they knew this was going to happen or i told you so doesn't make them happy or glee.

It make them pissed...
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BestFeature : 9/15/2019 5:06 pm : link
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.



Because loyalty and respect are irrelevant when it comes to winning games. I couldn't give two shits about anything beyond winning. I think we gave Eli enough respect by making him an extremely wealthy man.



“We” made him extremely wealthy? You’re a fucking clown.


The we is the team you dense fuck.
RE: Eli is, and has been a joke...  
Jay on the Island : 9/15/2019 5:09 pm : link
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for years. He wasn't that good when he was that good. Very lucky 2x in his career, helped by a lot of luck and good defenses an entire career throwing check-downs which inflated his numbers big time.

You're a fucking idiot if you don't think Eli was a good QB in 2011. He carried that team on his back all year.
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chuckydee9 : 9/15/2019 5:12 pm : link
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Jones sucks ass and Eli wins a SB with an actual football team.

This board implodes when the next Dave Brown era ensues.



There is zero chance Eli ever sniffs the SuperBowl unless he is riding New England's bench.



I think there are legitimately good football teams out there who could benefit from Eli’s durability, experience, and ability in a playoff atmosphere.

I think Giants fans think he’s a bum based off of the bum ass roster he’s been a part of the last 8 years. I think other teams may value what he brings to the table.

At the end of the day it is what it is. Eli is done here and Jones is the future. I just think it will be more losing with Jones while Eli May have success if he lands with the right club.


No one besides some Giant fans think Eli is a good QB. Other teams salivate to play an Eli Manning. They know he’s guaranteed to either fumble, throw a pick, or throw 1 meaningless touchdown a game.


The athletic did an article where they asked NFL Front office personnel to rate the QB.. Eli was rated behind, Dalton and Flaco.. this idea that Eli is average over the past 2+ years is nuts..
Eli got dealt a bad hand these last 4/5 years  
UConn4523 : 9/15/2019 5:12 pm : link
but that excuse is now tired. He isn’t good enough to win without a massive amount of help on a weekly basis. Here’s just no creativity to this offense and I refuse to believe it’s because we can’t come up with different packages/plays. Eli just doesn’t have it anymore. I’d love to see what Jones can do.
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crick n NC : 9/15/2019 5:16 pm : link
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.



Because loyalty and respect are irrelevant when it comes to winning games. I couldn't give two shits about anything beyond winning. I think we gave Eli enough respect by making him an extremely wealthy man.



And winning is a team effort

You didn't pay Eli anything.



The revenue from fans goes to pay his salary, so no you're wrong. Also, I never said winning wasn't a team effort just that respect should play 0 role in anything related to personnel decisions.


You're not forced to buy merchandise or tickets. That's your choice. It seems ridiculous to me for fans to take credit for a player's salary.

For me, respect is separate from wins and losses
I actually don't care if Jones can't do something as a rookie  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2019 5:17 pm : link
I already know what the alternative is...been watching it for years....
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WillVAB : 9/15/2019 5:20 pm : link
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.



Because loyalty and respect are irrelevant when it comes to winning games. I couldn't give two shits about anything beyond winning. I think we gave Eli enough respect by making him an extremely wealthy man.



“We” made him extremely wealthy? You’re a fucking clown.



The we is the team you dense fuck.


Ok, you don’t think he earned the contracts he’s been paid out?
RE: Eli got dealt a bad hand these last 4/5 years  
bw in dc : 9/15/2019 5:26 pm : link
In comment 14577943 UConn4523 said:
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but that excuse is now tired. He isn’t good enough to win without a massive amount of help on a weekly basis. Here’s just no creativity to this offense and I refuse to believe it’s because we can’t come up with different packages/plays. Eli just doesn’t have it anymore. I’d love to see what Jones can do.


That about sums it up.

Whatever force multiplier impact Eli had is virtually gone now...
RE: RE: Eli got dealt a bad hand these last 4/5 years  
crick n NC : 9/15/2019 5:27 pm : link
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but that excuse is now tired. He isn’t good enough to win without a massive amount of help on a weekly basis. Here’s just no creativity to this offense and I refuse to believe it’s because we can’t come up with different packages/plays. Eli just doesn’t have it anymore. I’d love to see what Jones can do.



That about sums it up.

Whatever force multiplier impact Eli had is virtually gone now...


I agree with this
RE: ...  
darren in pdx : 9/15/2019 5:30 pm : link
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Manning's going to be the crash test dummy and get beat like a bag figuratively and literally a while longer.

He'll be boo'd on the field and ridiculed in the media. He'll be benched, and leave the team with a losing record. He'll never win another game as a Giant, and will wind up with a career losing record.

I'll never understand why Manning was brought back to this team this year. I'll never really forgive Gettleman for doing this.


And get rid of Manning and replace him with who with what money? And telegraph to the whole league that you're in need of drafting a QB?
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BestFeature : 9/15/2019 5:44 pm : link
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.



Because loyalty and respect are irrelevant when it comes to winning games. I couldn't give two shits about anything beyond winning. I think we gave Eli enough respect by making him an extremely wealthy man.



And winning is a team effort

You didn't pay Eli anything.



The revenue from fans goes to pay his salary, so no you're wrong. Also, I never said winning wasn't a team effort just that respect should play 0 role in anything related to personnel decisions.



You're not forced to buy merchandise or tickets. That's your choice. It seems ridiculous to me for fans to take credit for a player's salary.

For me, respect is separate from wins and losses


That's beside the point. Eli has been shown respect by getting a salary no one on BBI will ever see. Why do we have to show him respect by playing him past his expiration date? Unless that's not what you meant.
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ajr2456 : 9/15/2019 6:06 pm : link
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.


Oh please
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WillVAB : 9/15/2019 6:09 pm : link
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.



Because loyalty and respect are irrelevant when it comes to winning games. I couldn't give two shits about anything beyond winning. I think we gave Eli enough respect by making him an extremely wealthy man.



And winning is a team effort

You didn't pay Eli anything.



The revenue from fans goes to pay his salary, so no you're wrong. Also, I never said winning wasn't a team effort just that respect should play 0 role in anything related to personnel decisions.



You're not forced to buy merchandise or tickets. That's your choice. It seems ridiculous to me for fans to take credit for a player's salary.

For me, respect is separate from wins and losses



That's beside the point. Eli has been shown respect by getting a salary no one on BBI will ever see. Why do we have to show him respect by playing him past his expiration date? Unless that's not what you meant.


That’s such an idiotic argument. Ellison gets a salary no one on BBI will ever see. Solder gets a salary no one on BBI will ever see. Cool can probably run down 40-50 guys where that’s the case. This is a bullshit shock jock take.
RE: RE: RE: RE: My Prediction  
WillVAB : 9/15/2019 6:12 pm : link
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Jones sucks ass and Eli wins a SB with an actual football team.

This board implodes when the next Dave Brown era ensues.



There is zero chance Eli ever sniffs the SuperBowl unless he is riding New England's bench.



I think there are legitimately good football teams out there who could benefit from Eli’s durability, experience, and ability in a playoff atmosphere.

I think Giants fans think he’s a bum based off of the bum ass roster he’s been a part of the last 8 years. I think other teams may value what he brings to the table.

At the end of the day it is what it is. Eli is done here and Jones is the future. I just think it will be more losing with Jones while Eli May have success if he lands with the right club.


No one besides some Giant fans think Eli is a good QB. Other teams salivate to play an Eli Manning. They know he’s guaranteed to either fumble, throw a pick, or throw 1 meaningless touchdown a game.


We’ll find out soon enough. The market we’ll make that call at the end of the year.
No glee  
Thegratefulhead : 9/15/2019 6:15 pm : link
I think this needs to be done now for Manning. If you pull him now at least he retires with a 500 record. This is inevitable this is going to happen sometime this season and we can do anything for Manning we should do it and it's to retire him without a losing record. Start Jones announce it tomorrow. It's the right thing to do on all fronts. It's best for Jones it's best for Eli it's best for the Giants it's best for the fans this is a no-brainer.
I also would like to see how much better  
UConn4523 : 9/15/2019 6:17 pm : link
The OLine performs/looks with a QB who can move a bit and gets rid of the ball. It just has to suck blocking in this kind of offense.
RE: My Prediction  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/15/2019 6:20 pm : link
In comment 14577683 WillVAB said:
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Jones sucks ass and Eli wins a SB with an actual football team.

This board implodes when the next Dave Brown era ensues.


Notice the difference between this and Britt.
RE: I also would like to see how much better  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/15/2019 6:22 pm : link
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The OLine performs/looks with a QB who can move a bit and gets rid of the ball. It just has to suck blocking in this kind of offense.


The Oline looks fine, Eli really is making them look worse. All you have to do is look around the league to see what other QBs are doing. It was especially highlighted by playing Allen today.
The o-line  
darren in pdx : 9/15/2019 6:27 pm : link
has played pretty league average, there were a number of plays that they gave Eli a lot of time that has not been seen in the past eight seasons.
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crick n NC : 9/15/2019 6:30 pm : link
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.



Oh please


Care to elaborate?
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crick n NC : 9/15/2019 6:34 pm : link
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.



Because loyalty and respect are irrelevant when it comes to winning games. I couldn't give two shits about anything beyond winning. I think we gave Eli enough respect by making him an extremely wealthy man.



And winning is a team effort

You didn't pay Eli anything.



The revenue from fans goes to pay his salary, so no you're wrong. Also, I never said winning wasn't a team effort just that respect should play 0 role in anything related to personnel decisions.



You're not forced to buy merchandise or tickets. That's your choice. It seems ridiculous to me for fans to take credit for a player's salary.

For me, respect is separate from wins and losses



That's beside the point. Eli has been shown respect by getting a salary no one on BBI will ever see. Why do we have to show him respect by playing him past his expiration date? Unless that's not what you meant.


Because it certainly isn't Manning's fault that he is still playing qb for the giants. He doesn't make that decision. It can be argued who in fact does make that decision outside of Manning.
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ajr2456 : 9/15/2019 6:49 pm : link
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.



Oh please



Care to elaborate?


Where to begin?

“Not giving an all time great the respect he deserves” what does that even mean? He’s been a bad QB going on three years now, people are bad fans for pointing that out?

I’m not happy that I was right about this team and the QB and I’m sure I speak for a lot of posters when I say I’d rather have been wrong than have my Sunday’s boring.

And this “woe is Eli” crap is part of what got us into this mess.
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crick n NC : 9/15/2019 6:59 pm : link
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Oh please



Care to elaborate?



Where to begin?

“Not giving an all time great the respect he deserves” what does that even mean? He’s been a bad QB going on three years now, people are bad fans for pointing that out?

I’m not happy that I was right about this team and the QB and I’m sure I speak for a lot of posters when I say I’d rather have been wrong than have my Sunday’s boring.

And this “woe is Eli” crap is part of what got us into this mess.


Interesting that you start your post with "where to begin" considering that it was I was thinking when reading your post. First, I never said you personally were an awful fan. There were plenty of posts during and after the game that point to what I was getting at, and again I never said you personally were happy about the giants situation.

If you read my post carefully you would noticed that I expressed the difficulty fans have expressing their opinions for change without being disrespectful.

And if you don't know what “Not giving an all time great the respect he deserves” then we can just forget that part because it certainly isn't worth the effort to explain something that is relatively easy to understand if one isn't being purposely dense.
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ajr2456 : 9/15/2019 7:00 pm : link
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Oh please



Care to elaborate?



Where to begin?

“Not giving an all time great the respect he deserves” what does that even mean? He’s been a bad QB going on three years now, people are bad fans for pointing that out?

I’m not happy that I was right about this team and the QB and I’m sure I speak for a lot of posters when I say I’d rather have been wrong than have my Sunday’s boring.

And this “woe is Eli” crap is part of what got us into this mess.



Interesting that you start your post with "where to begin" considering that it was I was thinking when reading your post. First, I never said you personally were an awful fan. There were plenty of posts during and after the game that point to what I was getting at, and again I never said you personally were happy about the giants situation.

If you read my post carefully you would noticed that I expressed the difficulty fans have expressing their opinions for change without being disrespectful.

And if you don't know what “Not giving an all time great the respect he deserves” then we can just forget that part because it certainly isn't worth the effort to explain something that is relatively easy to understand if one isn't being purposely dense.


I never said you were talking about me.

When has Eli not been shown respect?
More so  
ajr2456 : 9/15/2019 7:01 pm : link
What has happened the last three years to garner any?
I have been one of Eli's biggest fans, especially the last 2 years  
Matt M. : 9/15/2019 7:03 pm : link
I 100% was in favor drafting Barkley because of this. I also agreed with Eli starting this year. I foolishly thought we could at least be competitive. But, the team is not good, the coaching is not good, and Eli has been inconsequential in these first 2 games. I would have gone to Jones at halftime.

Now, I would start the Jones era next week and not look back. They may not be mathematically eliminated after 2 weeks. But, it is painfully obvious this team is not going anywhere and we certainly will not be in contention for the playoffs. So, there is absolutely no purpose to Manning continuing as the starter.
Jones  
AcesUp : 9/15/2019 7:05 pm : link
should come in now vs. the Bucs or you wait until the Cards in Week 7. You want him to get his feet wet in the right spot and this coming week is one of those spots.
We're all wrong  
MookGiants : 9/15/2019 7:08 pm : link
about plenty of things when it comes to the Giants.

I just dont know how anyone believed Eli had good play left in him coming into this year. How many years in a row does the offense have to suck before people stop believing that Eli is suddenly going to turn the clock back?

Add in that the talent on this offense is worse than it was last year. Yes, offensive line is better, but it's not a great unit.

Mara really fucked this franchise right after McAdoo benched Eli. Not in firing Reese and McAdoo, but by bringing in a loser of a head coach in Shurmur, hiring a former giants employee as GM, and seemingly refusing to believe that a 36-38 year old QB could be on his last legs.

Eli doesn't elevate anyone around him anymore. And there's nothing wrong with that happening as he was 38. All time great QBs have been finished by 38 before, Eli is no different.

Mara's and the front offices handling of Eli is ruining Eli's legacy. It didn't have to end this way. McAdoo gave them their get out of jail free card and they refused to use it and all these last two years have done is ruin Eli's legacy. If Eli doesn't make the hall of fame, John Mara and Dave Gettleman are to blame for that.

The best Giant of my life's legacy is being ruined because John Mara simply can't let go and refuses to believe that a 37-38 year old QB who hasn't played good football consistently in a while is finished. That makes me sick to my stomach.

Eli isn't the only reason for the Giants being terrible for a while now. This is 6 years of awful football. With one fluke season that Eli didn't even play that well in sprinkled in.

The roster is in better shape going forward than it was at this time last year, but that's simply because of the presence of Jones.

The offensive line does not have long term solutions at LT or RT.

Every single Giants fan on here should be forever grateful to what Eli did for this franchise. He gave us fans two runs that we'll never ever ever forget. Even the biggest Eli fans in the world should want this to end. It's sad. It's hurting the franchise, it's hurting Eli's legacy. There are zero positives to Eli being in a Giants uniform this year. It's hurting every party involved and that makes me sad/angry/everything
You  
crick n NC : 9/15/2019 7:08 pm : link
Injected yourself into my complaint of other fans Therefore showing that you were thinking I was speaking of fans as yourself.

A player like Manning deserves respect in my opinion regardless of what has happened. He is respectful, therefore deserving respect in my eyes. Again, you can be a criticize without being an ass, which defies respect.
Critic  
crick n NC : 9/15/2019 7:09 pm : link
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It seems  
ajr2456 : 9/15/2019 7:20 pm : link
Any criticism of Eli even in the slightest of terms is met with “show him respect”.

Still waiting on the lack of respect Eli has gotten.
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crick n NC : 9/15/2019 7:28 pm : link
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Any criticism of Eli even in the slightest of terms is met with “show him respect”.

Still waiting on the lack of respect Eli has gotten.


You seriously want me to through the game threads and pull the comments, or the posts after the game? It's not that important to me that you see my point in regards to fans disrespecting him.

You also aren't reading what I am writing or you are failing to process what is wrote. Although you could just be showing once again your stubbornness. I have said repeatedly that one can be a critic without being insulting.

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Junior22 : 9/15/2019 7:41 pm : link
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.


Give me a break
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crick n NC : 9/15/2019 7:47 pm : link
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.



Give me a break


Hi, what is your name? Do you want to be pals?

I hope so!
Britt...  
Brown_Hornet : 9/15/2019 7:50 pm : link
...I was thinking the same thing.

That said, this thread is a fine example of how Giants fans are just not very bright.
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Del Shofner : 9/15/2019 7:50 pm : link
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How many years in a row does the offense have to suck
-before people stop believing that Eli is suddenly going to turn the clock back?


The answer my friends, is blowing' in the wind
The answer is blown' in the wind
RE: I have been one of Eli's biggest fans, especially the last 2 years  
Rick5 : 9/15/2019 7:53 pm : link
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I 100% was in favor drafting Barkley because of this. I also agreed with Eli starting this year. I foolishly thought we could at least be competitive. But, the team is not good, the coaching is not good, and Eli has been inconsequential in these first 2 games. I would have gone to Jones at halftime.

Now, I would start the Jones era next week and not look back. They may not be mathematically eliminated after 2 weeks. But, it is painfully obvious this team is not going anywhere and we certainly will not be in contention for the playoffs. So, there is absolutely no purpose to Manning continuing as the starter.

+1. I was just about to post the same thing.
Bench Eli????  
Tesla : 9/16/2019 12:30 am : link
His revenge tour is just getting started!!!

10-6 baby!

RE: Bench Eli????  
Britt in VA : 9/16/2019 6:11 am : link
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His revenge tour is just getting started!!!

10-6 baby!


Glee.
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Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2019 6:17 am : link
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His revenge tour is just getting started!!!

10-6 baby!




Glee.


Frustrated trying to be funny
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Les in TO : 9/16/2019 6:24 am : link
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His revenge tour is just getting started!!!

10-6 baby!




Glee.
Britt, sarcastic mocking is not glee.
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Gatorade Dunk : 9/16/2019 6:56 am : link
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.



Because loyalty and respect are irrelevant when it comes to winning games. I couldn't give two shits about anything beyond winning. I think we gave Eli enough respect by making him an extremely wealthy man.



“We” made him extremely wealthy? You’re a fucking clown.



The we is the team you dense fuck.



Ok, you don’t think he earned the contracts he’s been paid out?

As THE highest paid player in NFL history?

Seems kind of hard to defend that rank, doesn't it?
Not glee Britt....  
Tesla : 9/16/2019 8:25 am : link
You think I'm happy that the season looks hopelessly lost after just two games? You think I'm gleeful about that?

As the summer was coming to a close I made a mental list of all the reasons to look forward to the fall, and watching Giants games was at the damn near top of the list. So no, I'm not gleeful that it looks like we'll be one of the worst teams in the league for the 3rd year in the row.

I was mocking you in my post, because you sure deserve to be mocked. Last year you spent the whole offseason telling us that now that we would have a running game and some weapons on offense that Eli was about to go on a "revenge tour." Wrong. So this year you doubled down again, saying that actually Eli would be BETTER without OBJ, and predicting another revenge tour. Wrong again.

You predicted we'd go 10-6. How's that looking chief?

But you know what, a LOT of people are wrong on this board, and you don't see me mocking them, because they are not nearly as arrogant as you are here about how much smarter you are than the rest of us plebeians here on BBI.

Newsflash: you're not the smartest guy in the room. Just the president of the Eli fanboy club.

So instead of coming here and telling us how feeling fellow Giants fans how happy you know we secretly are that the Giants suck for the 3rd straight year you can try another course instead - a dose of humility for once.
Enjoy your victory lap while pissing on the grave of one of the  
Britt in VA : 9/16/2019 8:49 am : link
greatest Giants.

I'm not going to apologize or backtrack for/from being optimistic.
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ajr2456 : 9/16/2019 8:52 am : link
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greatest Giants.

I'm not going to apologize or backtrack for/from being optimistic.


The pissing on the grave wouldn’t have happened if the team cut bait when they should have.
Yeah, well that's not Manning's fault.  
Britt in VA : 9/16/2019 8:55 am : link
He's just doing his job, working hard to try to get things turned around. Didn't happen for him.
RE: Enjoy your victory lap while pissing on the grave of one of the  
ron mexico : 9/16/2019 8:56 am : link
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greatest Giants.

I'm not going to apologize or backtrack for/from being optimistic.


I can speak for anyone else but myself, but I am not enjoying this at all.

I have not said one spiteful remark towards Eli, I feel really bad for him, he is doing everything he can but its not enough anymore.

All my scorn is directed squarely at Jints Central as BW likes to say.
RE: Enjoy your victory lap while pissing on the grave of one of the  
Tesla : 9/16/2019 8:56 am : link
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greatest Giants.

I'm not going to apologize or backtrack for/from being optimistic.


You wren't be optimistic. You were being delusional.

Even now your arrogance prevents you from admitting how wrong you were. Admit it, in your heart you still feel like your were right about your predictions.

You do realize you've become a running joke on BBI, right?

If you want to change your reputation try some humility for a change.
Easy does it Tesla  
Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2019 9:00 am : link
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Britt has actually been one of the more level headed guys  
ron mexico : 9/16/2019 9:01 am : link
on that side of the fence.

You could actually have a conversation with him on the topic without it devolving into a dumpster fire.
...  
christian : 9/16/2019 9:04 am : link
I get there is a contingent of fans Manning means more to than others. I don't quite understand, but I see it.

What I don't get is how being critical on a message board is disrespectful to a man I've never met, will never meet, and most assuredly is not reading the criticism.

What's been tangibly disrespectful to Manning is the Giants asking him to play the part of stop gap when the combination of his skills and surrounding talent predictably equaled a lot of losing, physical wear, and ultimately embarrassment.

No one is gleeful the Giants and Manning have been beaten like a bag the last 2 years.

I think the feeling is called frustrated.
I'm not very concerned with my "reputation" here.  
Britt in VA : 9/16/2019 9:04 am : link
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Still going to throw my opinion into the hat like everybody else,  
Britt in VA : 9/16/2019 9:05 am : link
and continue calling it like I see it, right, wrong, or indifferent.
I don't believe most people are honestly gleeful.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/16/2019 9:08 am : link
I do think people are just tired of the explaining away of bad play.
RE: Still going to throw my opinion into the hat like everybody else,  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/16/2019 9:10 am : link
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and continue calling it like I see it, right, wrong, or indifferent.

If it's just a matter of your opinion, can we cut through the bullshit where you say things like "you're all just saying what you think the Giants should do but I'm saying what they WILL do"?

Because that's the nonsense that's infuriating, and quite honestly, who the fuck wants to be gleeful about being on the same side as this sorry bunch of decision makers that the Giants have?
It’s not disrespectful. At least not from predominate # of posters.  
Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2019 9:13 am : link
The calling out for disrespect and glee behavior are just defense mechanisms kicking in from some that have nowhere else to go.

Yet there will be another game next week so the NFL goes on.

Who we playing?
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Britt in VA : 9/16/2019 9:15 am : link
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and continue calling it like I see it, right, wrong, or indifferent.


If it's just a matter of your opinion, can we cut through the bullshit where you say things like "you're all just saying what you think the Giants should do but I'm saying what they WILL do"?

Because that's the nonsense that's infuriating, and quite honestly, who the fuck wants to be gleeful about being on the same side as this sorry bunch of decision makers that the Giants have?


Why? Why waste time talking/debating about fantasy scenarios that have less than a 1% chance of happening, like outright cuts and trades over the years. There would be hundreds of posts on threads bemoaning that the Giants should make moves with Manning that didn't make a lot of sense for either party, other than the fan making the argument.

And even now, I'm on board saying that they should go ahead and start Jones. However, I doubt they will yet.
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christian : 9/16/2019 9:22 am : link
Britt, in all seriousness, you're answering your own question here.

People post opinions to spur discussions.

That's different than a prediction, and certainly different than someone saying it's not worth discussing but it likely won't happen.
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Gatorade Dunk : 9/16/2019 9:28 am : link
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and continue calling it like I see it, right, wrong, or indifferent.


If it's just a matter of your opinion, can we cut through the bullshit where you say things like "you're all just saying what you think the Giants should do but I'm saying what they WILL do"?

Because that's the nonsense that's infuriating, and quite honestly, who the fuck wants to be gleeful about being on the same side as this sorry bunch of decision makers that the Giants have?



Why? Why waste time talking/debating about fantasy scenarios that have less than a 1% chance of happening, like outright cuts and trades over the years. There would be hundreds of posts on threads bemoaning that the Giants should make moves with Manning that didn't make a lot of sense for either party, other than the fan making the argument.

And even now, I'm on board saying that they should go ahead and start Jones. However, I doubt they will yet.

Well, for one thing, because this is a discussion forum. And while I agree with you in general about some of the more outlandish suggestions, I'm talking more about the otherwise realistic scenarios that are only unrealistic when you stop to consider the dysfunctional front office and their history, especially their recent history.

But my POV has been that you have been, more often than not, a staunch defender of what they WILL do, because the status quo happened to also be aligned with what you were hoping they would do. I have to say, if there was ever something I was surprised to be wrong about, it's you being open to and even suggesting that it may be time for Jones.
Based on what has happened, what the Giants did  
Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2019 9:32 am : link
was an example of what not to do.
Glee, certainly not.  
NoGainDayne : 9/16/2019 9:33 am : link
I met my girlfriends family this weekend and they are also football fans.

In discussing this yet another bad showing I kind of shrugged and said I’m fairly indifferent to the result of this game, I have complicated relationship with the Giants right now.

I said it before the season and I’ll say it again. There is a fair degree of luck in football and also coaching can change things (like say if this staff could figure out hot to properly use the player they bucked analytical trends to draft) 7-9 or even 8-8 were possible ceilings for this team.

That being said, I think long term, those records vs where we seem to be headed would seem to me to be worse outcomes. The current leadership doesn’t even seem able to determine what a competent coach looks like. Their process appears to be broken. What’s worse is too many fans take any glimmer of how. Even finishing 4-4 last season against bad teams and backup QBs. For whatever reason Mara does seem to care lot about fans think.

It’s time to change leadership and for the fans to demand that. Even Daniel Jones being good doesn’t change the fact that other teams hit more often than we do and have for a long time. This the result of better decision making processes and better information.

I think many people need to say that we are sick of drinking the sour milk instead of these constant attempts by so many to tell the ones of us that have known what we are drinking it that maybe it hasn’t gone bad yet.
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Britt in VA : 9/16/2019 9:34 am : link
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and continue calling it like I see it, right, wrong, or indifferent.


If it's just a matter of your opinion, can we cut through the bullshit where you say things like "you're all just saying what you think the Giants should do but I'm saying what they WILL do"?

Because that's the nonsense that's infuriating, and quite honestly, who the fuck wants to be gleeful about being on the same side as this sorry bunch of decision makers that the Giants have?



Why? Why waste time talking/debating about fantasy scenarios that have less than a 1% chance of happening, like outright cuts and trades over the years. There would be hundreds of posts on threads bemoaning that the Giants should make moves with Manning that didn't make a lot of sense for either party, other than the fan making the argument.

And even now, I'm on board saying that they should go ahead and start Jones. However, I doubt they will yet.


Well, for one thing, because this is a discussion forum. And while I agree with you in general about some of the more outlandish suggestions, I'm talking more about the otherwise realistic scenarios that are only unrealistic when you stop to consider the dysfunctional front office and their history, especially their recent history.

But my POV has been that you have been, more often than not, a staunch defender of what they WILL do, because the status quo happened to also be aligned with what you were hoping they would do. I have to say, if there was ever something I was surprised to be wrong about, it's you being open to and even suggesting that it may be time for Jones.


And see, that's the disconnect. I was ready to transition from Manning. Did I think Manning could still play? Yes. Did I think it was time to plan for the future? Yes. The idea that I wanted to start Manning forever was not really based in the reality of what I was saying, just people's perception of me and my take.

I cheered the pick on draft day. I was there in person in the streets of Nashville cheering when he took the stage. I wanted Jones.

I also want what's best for Jones. And in my opinion, it's a luxury to be able to sit your rookie QB while you get things stable around him before putting him in.

So even though I want Jones in now, I understand that they will probably wait until they get some receivers back in there to give him a chance for some success, not just some burn.
I don’t know if this is a compliment or not  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2019 9:38 am : link
But Brit was never Dep in the “Eli still has it”

His position was always they wouldn’t move on from him.
RE: I don’t know if this is a compliment or not  
Tesla : 9/16/2019 10:01 am : link
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But Brit was never Dep in the “Eli still has it”

His position was always they wouldn’t move on from him.



Uh, no. He predicted an Eli Revenge Tour in 2018 and did so again this year. He predicted we'd go 10-6. He predicted dumping OBJ would make Eli a better QB cause Eli wouldn't have to force feed him the ball.

He's been the head cheerleader in the Eli still has it department. Much more so than even dep who was able to acknowledge Eli's decline over the past couple of years.
U mad, bro?  
Britt in VA : 9/16/2019 10:05 am : link
?
RE: U mad, bro?  
Tesla : 9/16/2019 10:32 am : link
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Wait, I thought I was "gleeful." Now I'm mad?

Which is it?
The floor is yours....  
Britt in VA : 9/16/2019 10:41 am : link
feel free to piss on graves and tapdance on misery all you like.
No one is tap dancing  
Les in TO : 9/16/2019 10:52 am : link
On misery or pissing on graves. We are all miserable Giants fans. We are busting your balls because of your bold and relentless “Eli isn’t part of the problem” stand and prediction people who said he is toast would eat poop eating sandwiches. Busting balls of a poster is not glee of the state of the franchise.
I don't understand how anyone could watch Eli last year, even in  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/16/2019 11:07 am : link
the second half of the season, and think he could still get it done. Britt kudos to you, not sure why you are still getting attacked. At least he offered a mea culpa unlike a bunch who have seemingly disappeared. Feel like we may hear from fanofthejets before some of them.
FMIC is just on his annual BBI sabbitacal in Gstaad  
ron mexico : 9/16/2019 11:12 am : link
Nothing to do with him being an ass all off season.
People that happy, gleeful and tapdancing  
Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2019 11:12 am : link
don't attack...
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christian : 9/16/2019 11:15 am : link
Britt, you've had this thread the last 2 years. The Giants get to a place where it's obvious the Manning + Giants combo isn't looking good, and you announce it's over or time to move on.

Serious question, if you don't actually want to discuss it, why do you post it?
RE: Still going to throw my opinion into the hat like everybody else,  
MookGiants : 9/16/2019 11:22 am : link
In comment 14579525 Britt in VA said:
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and continue calling it like I see it, right, wrong, or indifferent.


I really don't understand how anyone has watched Eli the last 3 years and thought he had anything left in the tank. Sure, we will all be wrong in our opinion at times, but there was zero evidence that Eli had 1 more good or even decent season in him.

I'm hoping people were just letting their feelings about Eli over his career cloud what Eli is currently. Because it's frightening that even one person thought he had something left.

Whoever is responsible for Manning still being on this team should be fired on the spot. It very well may be Mara who obviously can't be fired but if this was a Gettleman decision then he needs to go now.

It was so obvious that he was done. I refuse to believe that people actually thought he had something left, it had to be their respect for Eli and what he has done for this franchise. And that is fine to be a blind homer as a fan, but it's a problem when management is delusional.

I know we will have a lot of cap room next season, but I wouldn't trust Gettleman in free agency. He's done alright in the draft, but his trades and free agent signings have been awful.

The front office was trying to sell the fans and media on the Giants having a culture issue and getting rid of who they felt were bad eggs. The Giants don't have a culture issue, they have a lack of talent and horrible coaching/management issue.
Well, by posting it doesn't it mean I want to discuss it?  
Britt in VA : 9/16/2019 11:24 am : link
Not sure what you mean?

Last year I said it was clear that Manning could no longer win games for this franchise and it was time to transition from him, and that we should draft a QB if we were in position to grab one we liked.

Result? That is why I was happy we drafted Jones.

This year, I thought that Manning could win some games with what I hoped would be an improved roster and being the second year in a system, while not having to throw Jones into the fire too early. Pretty clear early now that that's not going to happen.

Result? This thread, and saying I'm ready to see Jones like everybody else.
Does anyone think that starting Jones would negatively affect our  
Heisenberg : 9/16/2019 11:26 am : link
chances to win games? I can't imagine anyone who believes that, at this point. I love Eli, he's the greatest QB in Giants history, but Jesus Christ it's fucking over.
The only issue I had with the defenders is that they were a very vocal  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/16/2019 11:37 am : link
minority that John Mara seemed terrified of upsetting. It is how we got in this situation to begin with. Ironically his biggest believers may have got ownership to stick with Eli for long enough to put his HOF credentials possibly in question.
i love eli and will always appreciate those superbowls  
nygiants16 : 9/16/2019 11:41 am : link
but it is just time to move in, his lack of mobility is hampering the entire offense...it kills half of the playbook necause he cant run straight play action from under center anymore, everything has to be shotgun..

The problem is the guy who makes the ultimate decision is to afraid to pull the trigger.
RE: Well, by posting it doesn't it mean I want to discuss it?  
Les in TO : 9/16/2019 11:41 am : link
In comment 14579979 Britt in VA said:
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Not sure what you mean?

Last year I said it was clear that Manning could no longer win games for this franchise and it was time to transition from him, and that we should draft a QB if we were in position to grab one we liked.

Result? That is why I was happy we drafted Jones.

This year, I thought that Manning could win some games with what I hoped would be an improved roster and being the second year in a system, while not having to throw Jones into the fire too early. Pretty clear early now that that's not going to happen.

Result? This thread, and saying I'm ready to see Jones like everybody else.
you started a thread but threw a left hook by saying posters are reacting with glee and insinuating they are happy the Giants are losing to support their positions. If you don’t want a counterpunch don’t attack in the first place. See your “media is hating on the Giants/they are going to use that as fuel” offseason thread where you also threw a jab at people who don’t think that matters much and then acted shocked when others disagreed.
Can you imagine dep on day like today?  
figgy2989 : 9/16/2019 11:47 am : link
I would be seriously concerned for his health.
And to answer the OP  
figgy2989 : 9/16/2019 11:50 am : link
Maybe I didn't see it because I haven't read the whole thread, but I do not see too many Giants fans in "glee" right now.

I mentioned it on another thread, but I do believe there are some posters who are more concerned with being right on on BBI then there are who are actually concerned with the state of the franchise. That is just sad.
RE: And to answer the OP  
crick n NC : 9/16/2019 11:52 am : link
In comment 14580050 figgy2989 said:
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Maybe I didn't see it because I haven't read the whole thread, but I do not see too many Giants fans in "glee" right now.

I mentioned it on another thread, but I do believe there are some posters who are more concerned with being right on on BBI then there are who are actually concerned with the state of the franchise. That is just sad.


I believe this what Britt was getting at.
RE: And to answer the OP  
Britt in VA : 9/16/2019 11:53 am : link
In comment 14580050 figgy2989 said:
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Maybe I didn't see it because I haven't read the whole thread, but I do not see too many Giants fans in "glee" right now.

I mentioned it on another thread, but I do believe there are some posters who are more concerned with being right on on BBI then there are who are actually concerned with the state of the franchise. That is just sad.


I was using the term glee to reference the enthusiastic way in which they were starting threads, responding to threads, some trolling behavior, etc...

Not glee as in yay Eli's finally done, but as in the delight in which they were jumping from thread to thread (or posting new threads) to point it out.
Yes, what crick said.  
Britt in VA : 9/16/2019 11:53 am : link
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RE: RE: And to answer the OP  
crick n NC : 9/16/2019 11:56 am : link
In comment 14580058 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 14580050 figgy2989 said:


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Maybe I didn't see it because I haven't read the whole thread, but I do not see too many Giants fans in "glee" right now.

I mentioned it on another thread, but I do believe there are some posters who are more concerned with being right on on BBI then there are who are actually concerned with the state of the franchise. That is just sad.



I was using the term glee to reference the enthusiastic way in which they were starting threads, responding to threads, some trolling behavior, etc...

Not glee as in yay Eli's finally done, but as in the delight in which they were jumping from thread to thread (or posting new threads) to point it out.


Unfortunately if it isn't explained in precise detail others interpret it to mean actual giddiness. Whether they pretend to not "get it" so they can argue I don't know.

I used "happiness", maybe satisfaction is a better term.
Responding to and starting threads after a loss?  
Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2019 12:03 pm : link
how dare they participate on BBI like that!

They should be working on their tap dancing or was that not said too?
That's how I feel about it.  
Britt in VA : 9/16/2019 12:04 pm : link
I don't really see the need to debate it.
Sarcasm aside...you both are just off base  
Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2019 12:07 pm : link
The overwhelming majority of Giant fans are either pissed, frustrated, embarrassed or done combination of them all.

Move onto next week...
Some  
Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2019 12:08 pm : link
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Britt  
bigbluehoya : 9/16/2019 12:09 pm : link
I commend you for kind of taking it on the chin in the OP.

It's a little odd that you'd be criticizing others for having some small sense of satisfaction, or even just 'told ya so', from being correct about the Giants being terrible. You've definitely been no stranger to the BBI victory lap when your predictions have come to fruition.

Regardless, this feeling of it still being September and looking like another year completely down the tubes is absolutely miserable, and it isn't bringing the best out of anyone. Somewhat understandably.
We all knew eventually people would be right about Eli  
widmerseyebrow : 9/16/2019 12:17 pm : link
not being good enough. It's just really frustrating that the front office never got it's act together after 2011 to see if he still had another run in him.

People were literally saying it was time for Eli to hang it up after 2013. I think he was probably still good enough to win then and a few years after if we had any kind of steady team building and drafting going on back then.
RE: Britt  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/16/2019 12:17 pm : link
In comment 14580125 bigbluehoya said:
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I commend you for kind of taking it on the chin in the OP.

It's a little odd that you'd be criticizing others for having some small sense of satisfaction, or even just 'told ya so', from being correct about the Giants being terrible. You've definitely been no stranger to the BBI victory lap when your predictions have come to fruition.

Regardless, this feeling of it still being September and looking like another year completely down the tubes is absolutely miserable, and it isn't bringing the best out of anyone. Somewhat understandably.

Yes, even the posters who are acting like they're taking the high road while their position begins to shift in what seems like our never-ending Eli debate here have been known to take their victory lap when the situation allows.

Like most people though, it's a lot easier to recognize someone else puffing out their chest than it is to be self-aware when they're doing it themselves.
RE: RE: Britt  
figgy2989 : 9/16/2019 12:18 pm : link
In comment 14580147 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Like most people though, it's a lot easier to recognize someone else puffing out their chest than it is to be self-aware when they're doing it themselves.



You are 100% right here...
Is what it is  
Thegratefulhead : 9/16/2019 12:19 pm : link
There is personal baggage being dealt with between aggrieved parties. Is what it is. Leaving that alone, it will rectify itself.

I have felt the evidence has been compelling enough that it was time to move on from Eli Manning since 2017. Not happy about it though. No glee. I would have been happy if Eli played so well it made this difficult.

I am excited by the thought of Daniel Jones starting. I think the players are too. I do not like the QB game manager. I don't. I like the QB to be a guy that when I receiver drops a pass he should catch that breaks the receivers's own heart. The QB says that was on me even thought it wasn't. He says I got you, and comes right back to him with absolutely perfect pass for a big play.

Eli used to carry us like that. He used to be able to pick up his teammates. He can't. It hurts to watch. Britt, honest.

I am sorry you see it now too. When you didn't, it felt like their was a chance the rest of us were wrong.

Daniel Jones might be the next great NY Giants QB. He sure is going to be following one hell of a player.



Christian...  
Overseer : 9/16/2019 12:47 pm : link
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Serious question, if you don't actually want to discuss it, why do you post it?

He posts it (and any number of other inanities) because he has a profoundly unhinged emotional attachment to Eli Manning. Plain as day.

Look at this dogshit post from the 3-13 season. Manning has a nice game in a losing effort vs Philadelphia and Britt immediately comes to BBI and embarrassingly emotes all over the place calling people “fucking idiots” and “dipshits”.

Why bring up a 2 year old (humiliating) thread? Because it’s the exact same tone – minus the vituperation – he has on this and any number of other threads. That’s who he is on BBI. A petulant emoter. He looked mildly less bad in comparison when dep was around, but they’re 2 peas from the same unenviable pod.

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There appears to be a certain level of glee happening right now

Wtf are you talking about? Glee? People are miserable. The Giants are an unwatchable catastrophe and have been basically for 7 years with 1 flukish reprieve thanks to ‘16 (regular season) Beckham. The Eagles – and now even Dallas – have made the NYG their pathetic helpless bitch. I still watch every snap, but cut down drastically on BBI in order to forget Mon-Sat about this dumpster fire of a team.

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U mad, bro?
Britt in VA : 10:05 am : link

Posting like a pissy adolescent playing Fortnite because he’s unable to maturely deal with having been wrong or with suffering Eli’s humiliating back end…which is brutal for any of us to watch. And it’s been years & years in the making (Wilson over Cordy Glenn, Sintim over Unger, Apple over Tunsil, Engram over Ramczyk). Overwhelmingly not Manning’s fault. The difference is Britt chooses to lash out like a baby in dealing with frustration.

Being a frequent poster here does not mean one is a good poster. Many make that mistake. “Oh I know that handle, he seems like a good guy, he’s ‘passionate’, he cares."

Personally I favor those who are sober, incisive, not “look at me!” (why couldn’t this thread go in the Post game thread?) over ongoing "come take your shots" petulance and helpless emoting. But that’s me.

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Here, by the way, is the reality vis-a-vis Eli Manning (understood by many):

He wasn’t done as an NFL quarterback on another team in a better situation with a real coach and real GM. He probably could have been a nice player in recent years still – and maybe lead a playoff team - on, say, Baltimore or Minnesota.

But on the Giants? A now flailing, pathetic franchise filled with untold incompetence and myopia that reaches for pedestrian mamas-boys over a highly touted LT? Eli Manning the spectacularly immobile QB on a team with no offensive line and no running game til SB and no 2-way Tight End (save 1yr MB) since Obama’s fucking first term and even that Tight End was just okay? That Eli Manning has been done for years. It was never going to work.

This will all get worse before it gets better. Strap in Giants fans.


Overseer  
figgy2989 : 9/16/2019 12:53 pm : link
That is a funny thread you put in there. Funny, two years later, the same exact arguments are being had with some of the same posters!
I'm certain I was not sober when I posted that thread...  
Britt in VA : 9/16/2019 12:56 pm : link
and I am certain that I was definitely venting or "emoting" when I did.

I can acknowledge that I was wrong in doing so.
Take a look at this one...  
Tesla : 9/16/2019 1:15 pm : link
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And I know I hit a nerve because of your reaction...
Britt in VA : 10/1/2017 8:05 pm : link
the only one that should be embarrassed is you, for wanting to run our HOF QB out of town.

You were wrong, you ARE wrong, period.


This is why you deserve 100% of the shit you are getting today Britt.

You're can be a real prick to others here when you think you've been proven right. And you can ever admit it when you're wrong. Revenge tour. 10-6. You were as wrong as wrong can be. Own it.
If the Giants make the move  
Sneakers O'toole : 9/16/2019 1:19 pm : link
I'd prefer waiting until week 5 ehen Tate comes back. Hopefully Shep is healthy as well.

Let Jones have some experience and reliability at the WR for his debut.
I literally just said I was wrong for that thread.  
Britt in VA : 9/16/2019 1:19 pm : link
One post above yours.

As for this season, my optimistic prediction of 10-6, etc...

Isn't this thread basically saying that was all wrong?
Eli should play  
weaverpsu : 9/16/2019 1:21 pm : link
against the Bucs and if they win, he keeps playing but will be on a short leash. The Cowboys and Bills have arguably top 10 defenses in the league and Eli had no one to throw to except scrubs. Shurmer is a fool. They should have had 2 TE's and been pounding the ball all game with Engram has a constant threat in passing game. Instead, they go shotgun and put 3-4 way below average receivers out there to make plays. A good coach plays his best players. Again, Saquon didn't get nearly enough touches and the short passing game not only doesn't suit Manning's ability, it seems to allow the defense to jump on first moves. There is no separation. The Bills were all over the short throws.

Also, Baker looks like a joke and here's to hoping its because they won't allow him to play man to man rather than being a draft bust.
Go ahead, hammer me relentlessly....  
Britt in VA : 9/16/2019 1:21 pm : link
pound the drum. Scream it from the mountaintop.

Today is yours. Have at it?
RE: Eli should play  
Britt in VA : 9/16/2019 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14580403 weaverpsu said:
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against the Bucs and if they win, he keeps playing but will be on a short leash. The Cowboys and Bills have arguably top 10 defenses in the league and Eli had no one to throw to except scrubs. Shurmer is a fool. They should have had 2 TE's and been pounding the ball all game with Engram has a constant threat in passing game. Instead, they go shotgun and put 3-4 way below average receivers out there to make plays. A good coach plays his best players. Again, Saquon didn't get nearly enough touches and the short passing game not only doesn't suit Manning's ability, it seems to allow the defense to jump on first moves. There is no separation. The Bills were all over the short throws.

Also, Baker looks like a joke and here's to hoping its because they won't allow him to play man to man rather than being a draft bust.


I think Manning plays at least until Sheppard is back, if not Sheppard AND Tate. Give Jones the most opportunity for success that way.
Britt....I only have one request for you...  
Tesla : 9/16/2019 1:24 pm : link
the next time you're right about something, don't be such a dick about it to the rest of BBI. That's all.
Overseer  
Les in TO : 9/16/2019 1:36 pm : link
Amen!
Just remember all of those that are "taking me to task".....  
Britt in VA : 9/16/2019 1:43 pm : link
Remember your own post histories and contributions.
Listen to the bell...it tolls for thee  
Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2019 3:33 pm : link
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