Eli was ineffective.
With the team playing this bad, Eli is ineffective and seemingly irrelevant to the outcomes of games.
I hesitate to put Jones in with these WR's, but there's nothing to lose at this point. This team is clearly going nowhere, so might as well get some meaningful game time in for Jones.
Put me in the start Jones camp. I'll still root for Manning as long as he's starting, but am ready to see what we have with Jones.
So come in and take your shots. There appears to be a certain level of glee happening right now, and I guess it's well deserved? Whatever. I want what's best for the Giants and that appears to me to be to get Jones in there now.
The team has no identity on offense or defense, but that's a whole other thread.
I don't like giving Shurmur a pass by keeping Eli in. I am very concerned with how he is leading this team. No progress.
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"Sucks ass" is an interesting choice to use to describe your prediction, almost as if a part of you hopes Jones "Sucks ass".
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Good thing we don’t have to worry about your prediction coming true. You sound like an Eli fan not a Giants fan.
Eli is just an easy target because that's how the NFL works.
More like mediocre QB.
Teach us more teacher!
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There is zero chance Eli ever sniffs the SuperBowl unless he is riding New England's bench.
I disagree. Benching Eli for Jones tells me the staff is willing to waste $20M+ in order to just win. One would expect DJ to perform better than Eli, not worse.
He'll be boo'd on the field and ridiculed in the media. He'll be benched, and leave the team with a losing record. He'll never win another game as a Giant, and will wind up with a career losing record.
I'll never understand why Manning was brought back to this team this year. I'll never really forgive Gettleman for doing this.
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Jones sucks ass and Eli wins a SB with an actual football team.
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"Sucks ass" is an interesting choice to use to describe your prediction, almost as if a part of you hopes Jones "Sucks ass".
I hope Jones is the next guy but I feel like I’ve seen this movie before.
This team is a train wreck. The OL is suspect. The WRs are trash. Engram is a Jordan Reed clone. Barkley isn’t used right.
The defense is an abomination. Absolutely zero pass rush from an organization that has prided itself on getting after the QB. JAG LBs. A ton of picks and trades in the secondary and none of them are worth a shit.
The ‘19 draft set this team back a minimum of 3 years even if Jones is good. Wasted picks on corners who aren’t worth a shit. OL still in flux. Zero top end pass rushers in the pipeline when truly elite pass rushers ever hit FA.
This is a bum ass roster with a bum ass HC with no hope for the future. Maybe if they get enough top 10 picks they’ll land a passrusher before Barley turns 30.
where is this happiness? Seriously, what thread is that on?
Because loyalty and respect are irrelevant when it comes to winning games. I couldn't give two shits about anything beyond winning. I think we gave Eli enough respect by making him an extremely wealthy man.
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.
Because loyalty and respect are irrelevant when it comes to winning games. I couldn't give two shits about anything beyond winning. I think we gave Eli enough respect by making him an extremely wealthy man.
And winning is a team effort
You didn't pay Eli anything.
Or is this some kind of deflection of wanting to blame this on Giant fans that want a different direction...
Nobody thought this team would compete this year and it was a joke if the front office thought they could. They basically set Manning up for failure by taking away weapons but he really hasn't done himself any favors the first two weeks. It's been the same story for the last 4 years on offense and there has only been one constant.
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Jones sucks ass and Eli wins a SB with an actual football team.
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"Sucks ass" is an interesting choice to use to describe your prediction, almost as if a part of you hopes Jones "Sucks ass".
I hope Jones is the next guy but I feel like I’ve seen this movie before.
This team is a train wreck. The OL is suspect. The WRs are trash. Engram is a Jordan Reed clone. Barkley isn’t used right.
The defense is an abomination. Absolutely zero pass rush from an organization that has prided itself on getting after the QB. JAG LBs. A ton of picks and trades in the secondary and none of them are worth a shit.
The ‘19 draft set this team back a minimum of 3 years even if Jones is good. Wasted picks on corners who aren’t worth a shit. OL still in flux. Zero top end pass rushers in the pipeline when truly elite pass rushers ever hit FA.
This is a bum ass roster with a bum ass HC with no hope for the future. Maybe if they get enough top 10 picks they’ll land a passrusher before Barley turns 30.
I love how you conveniently leave Archie’s kid off the list of what’s wrong with this team. SMH
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Jones sucks ass and Eli wins a SB with an actual football team.
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There is zero chance Eli ever sniffs the SuperBowl unless he is riding New England's bench.
I think there are legitimately good football teams out there who could benefit from Eli’s durability, experience, and ability in a playoff atmosphere.
I think Giants fans think he’s a bum based off of the bum ass roster he’s been a part of the last 8 years. I think other teams may value what he brings to the table.
At the end of the day it is what it is. Eli is done here and Jones is the future. I just think it will be more losing with Jones while Eli May have success if he lands with the right club.
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.
Because loyalty and respect are irrelevant when it comes to winning games. I couldn't give two shits about anything beyond winning. I think we gave Eli enough respect by making him an extremely wealthy man.
“We” made him extremely wealthy? You’re a fucking clown.
The only thing ridiculous is you all thinking Giant fans are celebrating in the streets.
I'm pissed that yet another year is going down the toilet. I am not even pissed about the 0-2 record, but moreso that the team is not showing/doing anything different...at all.
Eli is just an easy target because that's how the NFL works.
Eli is an easy target because everything else has been changed three times over.. well the ownership hasn't changed either.. but I don't think you'll find anyone here that blames Eli more m than ownership..
If you don't I will assume you are just making it up...
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Jones sucks ass and Eli wins a SB with an actual football team.
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There is zero chance Eli ever sniffs the SuperBowl unless he is riding New England's bench.
I think there are legitimately good football teams out there who could benefit from Eli’s durability, experience, and ability in a playoff atmosphere.
I think Giants fans think he’s a bum based off of the bum ass roster he’s been a part of the last 8 years. I think other teams may value what he brings to the table.
At the end of the day it is what it is. Eli is done here and Jones is the future. I just think it will be more losing with Jones while Eli May have success if he lands with the right club.
No one besides some Giant fans think Eli is a good QB. Other teams salivate to play an Eli Manning. They know he’s guaranteed to either fumble, throw a pick, or throw 1 meaningless touchdown a game.
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People perceive things differently. Just as you think it's absolutely ridiculous that some of us feel that some fans are happy to be right shitty circumstances, I think it's ridiculous that you can't pick up on it.
The only thing ridiculous is you all thinking Giant fans are celebrating in the streets.
I'm pissed that yet another year is going down the toilet. I am not even pissed about the 0-2 record, but moreso that the team is not showing/doing anything different...at all.
Didn't I cover that in my post?
The difference is that I know my perception has the possibility of being wrong. You're not one to question your own thoughts and opinions, which I find ridiculous.
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.
Because loyalty and respect are irrelevant when it comes to winning games. I couldn't give two shits about anything beyond winning. I think we gave Eli enough respect by making him an extremely wealthy man.
And winning is a team effort
You didn't pay Eli anything.
The revenue from fans goes to pay his salary, so no you're wrong. Also, I never said winning wasn't a team effort just that respect should play 0 role in anything related to personnel decisions.
It make them pissed...
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.
Because loyalty and respect are irrelevant when it comes to winning games. I couldn't give two shits about anything beyond winning. I think we gave Eli enough respect by making him an extremely wealthy man.
“We” made him extremely wealthy? You’re a fucking clown.
The we is the team you dense fuck.
You're a fucking idiot if you don't think Eli was a good QB in 2011. He carried that team on his back all year.
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Jones sucks ass and Eli wins a SB with an actual football team.
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There is zero chance Eli ever sniffs the SuperBowl unless he is riding New England's bench.
I think there are legitimately good football teams out there who could benefit from Eli’s durability, experience, and ability in a playoff atmosphere.
I think Giants fans think he’s a bum based off of the bum ass roster he’s been a part of the last 8 years. I think other teams may value what he brings to the table.
At the end of the day it is what it is. Eli is done here and Jones is the future. I just think it will be more losing with Jones while Eli May have success if he lands with the right club.
No one besides some Giant fans think Eli is a good QB. Other teams salivate to play an Eli Manning. They know he’s guaranteed to either fumble, throw a pick, or throw 1 meaningless touchdown a game.
The athletic did an article where they asked NFL Front office personnel to rate the QB.. Eli was rated behind, Dalton and Flaco.. this idea that Eli is average over the past 2+ years is nuts..
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.
Because loyalty and respect are irrelevant when it comes to winning games. I couldn't give two shits about anything beyond winning. I think we gave Eli enough respect by making him an extremely wealthy man.
And winning is a team effort
You didn't pay Eli anything.
The revenue from fans goes to pay his salary, so no you're wrong. Also, I never said winning wasn't a team effort just that respect should play 0 role in anything related to personnel decisions.
You're not forced to buy merchandise or tickets. That's your choice. It seems ridiculous to me for fans to take credit for a player's salary.
For me, respect is separate from wins and losses
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.
Because loyalty and respect are irrelevant when it comes to winning games. I couldn't give two shits about anything beyond winning. I think we gave Eli enough respect by making him an extremely wealthy man.
“We” made him extremely wealthy? You’re a fucking clown.
The we is the team you dense fuck.
Ok, you don’t think he earned the contracts he’s been paid out?
That about sums it up.
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but that excuse is now tired. He isn’t good enough to win without a massive amount of help on a weekly basis. Here’s just no creativity to this offense and I refuse to believe it’s because we can’t come up with different packages/plays. Eli just doesn’t have it anymore. I’d love to see what Jones can do.
That about sums it up.
Whatever force multiplier impact Eli had is virtually gone now...
I agree with this
He'll be boo'd on the field and ridiculed in the media. He'll be benched, and leave the team with a losing record. He'll never win another game as a Giant, and will wind up with a career losing record.
I'll never understand why Manning was brought back to this team this year. I'll never really forgive Gettleman for doing this.
And get rid of Manning and replace him with who with what money? And telegraph to the whole league that you're in need of drafting a QB?
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.
Because loyalty and respect are irrelevant when it comes to winning games. I couldn't give two shits about anything beyond winning. I think we gave Eli enough respect by making him an extremely wealthy man.
And winning is a team effort
You didn't pay Eli anything.
The revenue from fans goes to pay his salary, so no you're wrong. Also, I never said winning wasn't a team effort just that respect should play 0 role in anything related to personnel decisions.
You're not forced to buy merchandise or tickets. That's your choice. It seems ridiculous to me for fans to take credit for a player's salary.
For me, respect is separate from wins and losses
That's beside the point. Eli has been shown respect by getting a salary no one on BBI will ever see. Why do we have to show him respect by playing him past his expiration date? Unless that's not what you meant.
Oh please
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.
Because loyalty and respect are irrelevant when it comes to winning games. I couldn't give two shits about anything beyond winning. I think we gave Eli enough respect by making him an extremely wealthy man.
And winning is a team effort
You didn't pay Eli anything.
The revenue from fans goes to pay his salary, so no you're wrong. Also, I never said winning wasn't a team effort just that respect should play 0 role in anything related to personnel decisions.
You're not forced to buy merchandise or tickets. That's your choice. It seems ridiculous to me for fans to take credit for a player's salary.
For me, respect is separate from wins and losses
That's beside the point. Eli has been shown respect by getting a salary no one on BBI will ever see. Why do we have to show him respect by playing him past his expiration date? Unless that's not what you meant.
That’s such an idiotic argument. Ellison gets a salary no one on BBI will ever see. Solder gets a salary no one on BBI will ever see. Cool can probably run down 40-50 guys where that’s the case. This is a bullshit shock jock take.
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Jones sucks ass and Eli wins a SB with an actual football team.
This board implodes when the next Dave Brown era ensues.
There is zero chance Eli ever sniffs the SuperBowl unless he is riding New England's bench.
I think there are legitimately good football teams out there who could benefit from Eli’s durability, experience, and ability in a playoff atmosphere.
I think Giants fans think he’s a bum based off of the bum ass roster he’s been a part of the last 8 years. I think other teams may value what he brings to the table.
At the end of the day it is what it is. Eli is done here and Jones is the future. I just think it will be more losing with Jones while Eli May have success if he lands with the right club.
No one besides some Giant fans think Eli is a good QB. Other teams salivate to play an Eli Manning. They know he’s guaranteed to either fumble, throw a pick, or throw 1 meaningless touchdown a game.
We’ll find out soon enough. The market we’ll make that call at the end of the year.
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Notice the difference between this and Britt.
The Oline looks fine, Eli really is making them look worse. All you have to do is look around the league to see what other QBs are doing. It was especially highlighted by playing Allen today.
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Oh please
Care to elaborate?
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.
Because loyalty and respect are irrelevant when it comes to winning games. I couldn't give two shits about anything beyond winning. I think we gave Eli enough respect by making him an extremely wealthy man.
And winning is a team effort
You didn't pay Eli anything.
The revenue from fans goes to pay his salary, so no you're wrong. Also, I never said winning wasn't a team effort just that respect should play 0 role in anything related to personnel decisions.
You're not forced to buy merchandise or tickets. That's your choice. It seems ridiculous to me for fans to take credit for a player's salary.
For me, respect is separate from wins and losses
That's beside the point. Eli has been shown respect by getting a salary no one on BBI will ever see. Why do we have to show him respect by playing him past his expiration date? Unless that's not what you meant.
Because it certainly isn't Manning's fault that he is still playing qb for the giants. He doesn't make that decision. It can be argued who in fact does make that decision outside of Manning.
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.
Oh please
Care to elaborate?
Where to begin?
“Not giving an all time great the respect he deserves” what does that even mean? He’s been a bad QB going on three years now, people are bad fans for pointing that out?
I’m not happy that I was right about this team and the QB and I’m sure I speak for a lot of posters when I say I’d rather have been wrong than have my Sunday’s boring.
And this “woe is Eli” crap is part of what got us into this mess.
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.
Oh please
Care to elaborate?
Where to begin?
“Not giving an all time great the respect he deserves” what does that even mean? He’s been a bad QB going on three years now, people are bad fans for pointing that out?
I’m not happy that I was right about this team and the QB and I’m sure I speak for a lot of posters when I say I’d rather have been wrong than have my Sunday’s boring.
And this “woe is Eli” crap is part of what got us into this mess.
Interesting that you start your post with "where to begin" considering that it was I was thinking when reading your post. First, I never said you personally were an awful fan. There were plenty of posts during and after the game that point to what I was getting at, and again I never said you personally were happy about the giants situation.
If you read my post carefully you would noticed that I expressed the difficulty fans have expressing their opinions for change without being disrespectful.
And if you don't know what “Not giving an all time great the respect he deserves” then we can just forget that part because it certainly isn't worth the effort to explain something that is relatively easy to understand if one isn't being purposely dense.
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.
Oh please
Care to elaborate?
Where to begin?
“Not giving an all time great the respect he deserves” what does that even mean? He’s been a bad QB going on three years now, people are bad fans for pointing that out?
I’m not happy that I was right about this team and the QB and I’m sure I speak for a lot of posters when I say I’d rather have been wrong than have my Sunday’s boring.
And this “woe is Eli” crap is part of what got us into this mess.
Interesting that you start your post with "where to begin" considering that it was I was thinking when reading your post. First, I never said you personally were an awful fan. There were plenty of posts during and after the game that point to what I was getting at, and again I never said you personally were happy about the giants situation.
If you read my post carefully you would noticed that I expressed the difficulty fans have expressing their opinions for change without being disrespectful.
And if you don't know what “Not giving an all time great the respect he deserves” then we can just forget that part because it certainly isn't worth the effort to explain something that is relatively easy to understand if one isn't being purposely dense.
I never said you were talking about me.
When has Eli not been shown respect?
Now, I would start the Jones era next week and not look back. They may not be mathematically eliminated after 2 weeks. But, it is painfully obvious this team is not going anywhere and we certainly will not be in contention for the playoffs. So, there is absolutely no purpose to Manning continuing as the starter.
I just dont know how anyone believed Eli had good play left in him coming into this year. How many years in a row does the offense have to suck before people stop believing that Eli is suddenly going to turn the clock back?
Add in that the talent on this offense is worse than it was last year. Yes, offensive line is better, but it's not a great unit.
Mara really fucked this franchise right after McAdoo benched Eli. Not in firing Reese and McAdoo, but by bringing in a loser of a head coach in Shurmur, hiring a former giants employee as GM, and seemingly refusing to believe that a 36-38 year old QB could be on his last legs.
Eli doesn't elevate anyone around him anymore. And there's nothing wrong with that happening as he was 38. All time great QBs have been finished by 38 before, Eli is no different.
Mara's and the front offices handling of Eli is ruining Eli's legacy. It didn't have to end this way. McAdoo gave them their get out of jail free card and they refused to use it and all these last two years have done is ruin Eli's legacy. If Eli doesn't make the hall of fame, John Mara and Dave Gettleman are to blame for that.
The best Giant of my life's legacy is being ruined because John Mara simply can't let go and refuses to believe that a 37-38 year old QB who hasn't played good football consistently in a while is finished. That makes me sick to my stomach.
Eli isn't the only reason for the Giants being terrible for a while now. This is 6 years of awful football. With one fluke season that Eli didn't even play that well in sprinkled in.
The roster is in better shape going forward than it was at this time last year, but that's simply because of the presence of Jones.
The offensive line does not have long term solutions at LT or RT.
Every single Giants fan on here should be forever grateful to what Eli did for this franchise. He gave us fans two runs that we'll never ever ever forget. Even the biggest Eli fans in the world should want this to end. It's sad. It's hurting the franchise, it's hurting Eli's legacy. There are zero positives to Eli being in a Giants uniform this year. It's hurting every party involved and that makes me sad/angry/everything
A player like Manning deserves respect in my opinion regardless of what has happened. He is respectful, therefore deserving respect in my eyes. Again, you can be a criticize without being an ass, which defies respect.
Still waiting on the lack of respect Eli has gotten.
Still waiting on the lack of respect Eli has gotten.
You seriously want me to through the game threads and pull the comments, or the posts after the game? It's not that important to me that you see my point in regards to fans disrespecting him.
You also aren't reading what I am writing or you are failing to process what is wrote. Although you could just be showing once again your stubbornness. I have said repeatedly that one can be a critic without being insulting.
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Give me a break
Hi, what is your name? Do you want to be pals?
I hope so!
That said, this thread is a fine example of how Giants fans are just not very bright.
-before people stop believing that Eli is suddenly going to turn the clock back?
The answer my friends, is blowing' in the wind
The answer is blown' in the wind
Now, I would start the Jones era next week and not look back. They may not be mathematically eliminated after 2 weeks. But, it is painfully obvious this team is not going anywhere and we certainly will not be in contention for the playoffs. So, there is absolutely no purpose to Manning continuing as the starter.
+1. I was just about to post the same thing.
10-6 baby!
10-6 baby!
Glee.
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His revenge tour is just getting started!!!
10-6 baby!
Glee.
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His revenge tour is just getting started!!!
10-6 baby!
Glee.
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.
Because loyalty and respect are irrelevant when it comes to winning games. I couldn't give two shits about anything beyond winning. I think we gave Eli enough respect by making him an extremely wealthy man.
“We” made him extremely wealthy? You’re a fucking clown.
The we is the team you dense fuck.
Ok, you don’t think he earned the contracts he’s been paid out?
As THE highest paid player in NFL history?
Seems kind of hard to defend that rank, doesn't it?
As the summer was coming to a close I made a mental list of all the reasons to look forward to the fall, and watching Giants games was at the damn near top of the list. So no, I'm not gleeful that it looks like we'll be one of the worst teams in the league for the 3rd year in the row.
I was mocking you in my post, because you sure deserve to be mocked. Last year you spent the whole offseason telling us that now that we would have a running game and some weapons on offense that Eli was about to go on a "revenge tour." Wrong. So this year you doubled down again, saying that actually Eli would be BETTER without OBJ, and predicting another revenge tour. Wrong again.
You predicted we'd go 10-6. How's that looking chief?
But you know what, a LOT of people are wrong on this board, and you don't see me mocking them, because they are not nearly as arrogant as you are here about how much smarter you are than the rest of us plebeians here on BBI.
Newsflash: you're not the smartest guy in the room. Just the president of the Eli fanboy club.
So instead of coming here and telling us how feeling fellow Giants fans how happy you know we secretly are that the Giants suck for the 3rd straight year you can try another course instead - a dose of humility for once.
I'm not going to apologize or backtrack for/from being optimistic.
I'm not going to apologize or backtrack for/from being optimistic.
The pissing on the grave wouldn’t have happened if the team cut bait when they should have.
I'm not going to apologize or backtrack for/from being optimistic.
I can speak for anyone else but myself, but I am not enjoying this at all.
I have not said one spiteful remark towards Eli, I feel really bad for him, he is doing everything he can but its not enough anymore.
All my scorn is directed squarely at Jints Central as BW likes to say.
I'm not going to apologize or backtrack for/from being optimistic.
You wren't be optimistic. You were being delusional.
Even now your arrogance prevents you from admitting how wrong you were. Admit it, in your heart you still feel like your were right about your predictions.
You do realize you've become a running joke on BBI, right?
If you want to change your reputation try some humility for a change.
You could actually have a conversation with him on the topic without it devolving into a dumpster fire.
What I don't get is how being critical on a message board is disrespectful to a man I've never met, will never meet, and most assuredly is not reading the criticism.
What's been tangibly disrespectful to Manning is the Giants asking him to play the part of stop gap when the combination of his skills and surrounding talent predictably equaled a lot of losing, physical wear, and ultimately embarrassment.
No one is gleeful the Giants and Manning have been beaten like a bag the last 2 years.
I think the feeling is called frustrated.
If it's just a matter of your opinion, can we cut through the bullshit where you say things like "you're all just saying what you think the Giants should do but I'm saying what they WILL do"?
Because that's the nonsense that's infuriating, and quite honestly, who the fuck wants to be gleeful about being on the same side as this sorry bunch of decision makers that the Giants have?
Yet there will be another game next week so the NFL goes on.
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and continue calling it like I see it, right, wrong, or indifferent.
If it's just a matter of your opinion, can we cut through the bullshit where you say things like "you're all just saying what you think the Giants should do but I'm saying what they WILL do"?
Because that's the nonsense that's infuriating, and quite honestly, who the fuck wants to be gleeful about being on the same side as this sorry bunch of decision makers that the Giants have?
Why? Why waste time talking/debating about fantasy scenarios that have less than a 1% chance of happening, like outright cuts and trades over the years. There would be hundreds of posts on threads bemoaning that the Giants should make moves with Manning that didn't make a lot of sense for either party, other than the fan making the argument.
And even now, I'm on board saying that they should go ahead and start Jones. However, I doubt they will yet.
People post opinions to spur discussions.
That's different than a prediction, and certainly different than someone saying it's not worth discussing but it likely won't happen.
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and continue calling it like I see it, right, wrong, or indifferent.
If it's just a matter of your opinion, can we cut through the bullshit where you say things like "you're all just saying what you think the Giants should do but I'm saying what they WILL do"?
Because that's the nonsense that's infuriating, and quite honestly, who the fuck wants to be gleeful about being on the same side as this sorry bunch of decision makers that the Giants have?
Why? Why waste time talking/debating about fantasy scenarios that have less than a 1% chance of happening, like outright cuts and trades over the years. There would be hundreds of posts on threads bemoaning that the Giants should make moves with Manning that didn't make a lot of sense for either party, other than the fan making the argument.
And even now, I'm on board saying that they should go ahead and start Jones. However, I doubt they will yet.
Well, for one thing, because this is a discussion forum. And while I agree with you in general about some of the more outlandish suggestions, I'm talking more about the otherwise realistic scenarios that are only unrealistic when you stop to consider the dysfunctional front office and their history, especially their recent history.
But my POV has been that you have been, more often than not, a staunch defender of what they WILL do, because the status quo happened to also be aligned with what you were hoping they would do. I have to say, if there was ever something I was surprised to be wrong about, it's you being open to and even suggesting that it may be time for Jones.
In discussing this yet another bad showing I kind of shrugged and said I’m fairly indifferent to the result of this game, I have complicated relationship with the Giants right now.
I said it before the season and I’ll say it again. There is a fair degree of luck in football and also coaching can change things (like say if this staff could figure out hot to properly use the player they bucked analytical trends to draft) 7-9 or even 8-8 were possible ceilings for this team.
That being said, I think long term, those records vs where we seem to be headed would seem to me to be worse outcomes. The current leadership doesn’t even seem able to determine what a competent coach looks like. Their process appears to be broken. What’s worse is too many fans take any glimmer of how. Even finishing 4-4 last season against bad teams and backup QBs. For whatever reason Mara does seem to care lot about fans think.
It’s time to change leadership and for the fans to demand that. Even Daniel Jones being good doesn’t change the fact that other teams hit more often than we do and have for a long time. This the result of better decision making processes and better information.
I think many people need to say that we are sick of drinking the sour milk instead of these constant attempts by so many to tell the ones of us that have known what we are drinking it that maybe it hasn’t gone bad yet.
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and continue calling it like I see it, right, wrong, or indifferent.
If it's just a matter of your opinion, can we cut through the bullshit where you say things like "you're all just saying what you think the Giants should do but I'm saying what they WILL do"?
Because that's the nonsense that's infuriating, and quite honestly, who the fuck wants to be gleeful about being on the same side as this sorry bunch of decision makers that the Giants have?
Why? Why waste time talking/debating about fantasy scenarios that have less than a 1% chance of happening, like outright cuts and trades over the years. There would be hundreds of posts on threads bemoaning that the Giants should make moves with Manning that didn't make a lot of sense for either party, other than the fan making the argument.
And even now, I'm on board saying that they should go ahead and start Jones. However, I doubt they will yet.
Well, for one thing, because this is a discussion forum. And while I agree with you in general about some of the more outlandish suggestions, I'm talking more about the otherwise realistic scenarios that are only unrealistic when you stop to consider the dysfunctional front office and their history, especially their recent history.
But my POV has been that you have been, more often than not, a staunch defender of what they WILL do, because the status quo happened to also be aligned with what you were hoping they would do. I have to say, if there was ever something I was surprised to be wrong about, it's you being open to and even suggesting that it may be time for Jones.
And see, that's the disconnect. I was ready to transition from Manning. Did I think Manning could still play? Yes. Did I think it was time to plan for the future? Yes. The idea that I wanted to start Manning forever was not really based in the reality of what I was saying, just people's perception of me and my take.
I cheered the pick on draft day. I was there in person in the streets of Nashville cheering when he took the stage. I wanted Jones.
I also want what's best for Jones. And in my opinion, it's a luxury to be able to sit your rookie QB while you get things stable around him before putting him in.
So even though I want Jones in now, I understand that they will probably wait until they get some receivers back in there to give him a chance for some success, not just some burn.
His position was always they wouldn’t move on from him.
His position was always they wouldn’t move on from him.
Uh, no. He predicted an Eli Revenge Tour in 2018 and did so again this year. He predicted we'd go 10-6. He predicted dumping OBJ would make Eli a better QB cause Eli wouldn't have to force feed him the ball.
He's been the head cheerleader in the Eli still has it department. Much more so than even dep who was able to acknowledge Eli's decline over the past couple of years.
Wait, I thought I was "gleeful." Now I'm mad?
Which is it?
Serious question, if you don't actually want to discuss it, why do you post it?
I really don't understand how anyone has watched Eli the last 3 years and thought he had anything left in the tank. Sure, we will all be wrong in our opinion at times, but there was zero evidence that Eli had 1 more good or even decent season in him.
I'm hoping people were just letting their feelings about Eli over his career cloud what Eli is currently. Because it's frightening that even one person thought he had something left.
Whoever is responsible for Manning still being on this team should be fired on the spot. It very well may be Mara who obviously can't be fired but if this was a Gettleman decision then he needs to go now.
It was so obvious that he was done. I refuse to believe that people actually thought he had something left, it had to be their respect for Eli and what he has done for this franchise. And that is fine to be a blind homer as a fan, but it's a problem when management is delusional.
I know we will have a lot of cap room next season, but I wouldn't trust Gettleman in free agency. He's done alright in the draft, but his trades and free agent signings have been awful.
The front office was trying to sell the fans and media on the Giants having a culture issue and getting rid of who they felt were bad eggs. The Giants don't have a culture issue, they have a lack of talent and horrible coaching/management issue.
Last year I said it was clear that Manning could no longer win games for this franchise and it was time to transition from him, and that we should draft a QB if we were in position to grab one we liked.
Result? That is why I was happy we drafted Jones.
This year, I thought that Manning could win some games with what I hoped would be an improved roster and being the second year in a system, while not having to throw Jones into the fire too early. Pretty clear early now that that's not going to happen.
Result? This thread, and saying I'm ready to see Jones like everybody else.
The problem is the guy who makes the ultimate decision is to afraid to pull the trigger.
Last year I said it was clear that Manning could no longer win games for this franchise and it was time to transition from him, and that we should draft a QB if we were in position to grab one we liked.
Result? That is why I was happy we drafted Jones.
This year, I thought that Manning could win some games with what I hoped would be an improved roster and being the second year in a system, while not having to throw Jones into the fire too early. Pretty clear early now that that's not going to happen.
Result? This thread, and saying I'm ready to see Jones like everybody else.
I mentioned it on another thread, but I do believe there are some posters who are more concerned with being right on on BBI then there are who are actually concerned with the state of the franchise. That is just sad.
I mentioned it on another thread, but I do believe there are some posters who are more concerned with being right on on BBI then there are who are actually concerned with the state of the franchise. That is just sad.
I believe this what Britt was getting at.
I mentioned it on another thread, but I do believe there are some posters who are more concerned with being right on on BBI then there are who are actually concerned with the state of the franchise. That is just sad.
I was using the term glee to reference the enthusiastic way in which they were starting threads, responding to threads, some trolling behavior, etc...
Not glee as in yay Eli's finally done, but as in the delight in which they were jumping from thread to thread (or posting new threads) to point it out.
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Maybe I didn't see it because I haven't read the whole thread, but I do not see too many Giants fans in "glee" right now.
I mentioned it on another thread, but I do believe there are some posters who are more concerned with being right on on BBI then there are who are actually concerned with the state of the franchise. That is just sad.
I was using the term glee to reference the enthusiastic way in which they were starting threads, responding to threads, some trolling behavior, etc...
Not glee as in yay Eli's finally done, but as in the delight in which they were jumping from thread to thread (or posting new threads) to point it out.
Unfortunately if it isn't explained in precise detail others interpret it to mean actual giddiness. Whether they pretend to not "get it" so they can argue I don't know.
I used "happiness", maybe satisfaction is a better term.
They should be working on their tap dancing or was that not said too?
Move onto next week...
It's a little odd that you'd be criticizing others for having some small sense of satisfaction, or even just 'told ya so', from being correct about the Giants being terrible. You've definitely been no stranger to the BBI victory lap when your predictions have come to fruition.
Regardless, this feeling of it still being September and looking like another year completely down the tubes is absolutely miserable, and it isn't bringing the best out of anyone. Somewhat understandably.
People were literally saying it was time for Eli to hang it up after 2013. I think he was probably still good enough to win then and a few years after if we had any kind of steady team building and drafting going on back then.
It's a little odd that you'd be criticizing others for having some small sense of satisfaction, or even just 'told ya so', from being correct about the Giants being terrible. You've definitely been no stranger to the BBI victory lap when your predictions have come to fruition.
Regardless, this feeling of it still being September and looking like another year completely down the tubes is absolutely miserable, and it isn't bringing the best out of anyone. Somewhat understandably.
Yes, even the posters who are acting like they're taking the high road while their position begins to shift in what seems like our never-ending Eli debate here have been known to take their victory lap when the situation allows.
Like most people though, it's a lot easier to recognize someone else puffing out their chest than it is to be self-aware when they're doing it themselves.
Like most people though, it's a lot easier to recognize someone else puffing out their chest than it is to be self-aware when they're doing it themselves.
You are 100% right here...
I have felt the evidence has been compelling enough that it was time to move on from Eli Manning since 2017. Not happy about it though. No glee. I would have been happy if Eli played so well it made this difficult.
I am excited by the thought of Daniel Jones starting. I think the players are too. I do not like the QB game manager. I don't. I like the QB to be a guy that when I receiver drops a pass he should catch that breaks the receivers's own heart. The QB says that was on me even thought it wasn't. He says I got you, and comes right back to him with absolutely perfect pass for a big play.
Eli used to carry us like that. He used to be able to pick up his teammates. He can't. It hurts to watch. Britt, honest.
I am sorry you see it now too. When you didn't, it felt like their was a chance the rest of us were wrong.
Daniel Jones might be the next great NY Giants QB. He sure is going to be following one hell of a player.
He posts it (and any number of other inanities) because he has a profoundly unhinged emotional attachment to Eli Manning. Plain as day.
Look at this dogshit post from the 3-13 season. Manning has a nice game in a losing effort vs Philadelphia and Britt immediately comes to BBI and embarrassingly emotes all over the place calling people “fucking idiots” and “dipshits”.
Why bring up a 2 year old (humiliating) thread? Because it’s the exact same tone – minus the vituperation – he has on this and any number of other threads. That’s who he is on BBI. A petulant emoter. He looked mildly less bad in comparison when dep was around, but they’re 2 peas from the same unenviable pod.
Wtf are you talking about? Glee? People are miserable. The Giants are an unwatchable catastrophe and have been basically for 7 years with 1 flukish reprieve thanks to ‘16 (regular season) Beckham. The Eagles – and now even Dallas – have made the NYG their pathetic helpless bitch. I still watch every snap, but cut down drastically on BBI in order to forget Mon-Sat about this dumpster fire of a team.
Britt in VA : 10:05 am : link
Posting like a pissy adolescent playing Fortnite because he’s unable to maturely deal with having been wrong or with suffering Eli’s humiliating back end…which is brutal for any of us to watch. And it’s been years & years in the making (Wilson over Cordy Glenn, Sintim over Unger, Apple over Tunsil, Engram over Ramczyk). Overwhelmingly not Manning’s fault. The difference is Britt chooses to lash out like a baby in dealing with frustration.
Being a frequent poster here does not mean one is a good poster. Many make that mistake. “Oh I know that handle, he seems like a good guy, he’s ‘passionate’, he cares."
Personally I favor those who are sober, incisive, not “look at me!” (why couldn’t this thread go in the Post game thread?) over ongoing "come take your shots" petulance and helpless emoting. But that’s me.
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Here, by the way, is the reality vis-a-vis Eli Manning (understood by many):
He wasn’t done as an NFL quarterback on another team in a better situation with a real coach and real GM. He probably could have been a nice player in recent years still – and maybe lead a playoff team - on, say, Baltimore or Minnesota.
But on the Giants? A now flailing, pathetic franchise filled with untold incompetence and myopia that reaches for pedestrian mamas-boys over a highly touted LT? Eli Manning the spectacularly immobile QB on a team with no offensive line and no running game til SB and no 2-way Tight End (save 1yr MB) since Obama’s fucking first term and even that Tight End was just okay? That Eli Manning has been done for years. It was never going to work.
This will all get worse before it gets better. Strap in Giants fans.
I can acknowledge that I was wrong in doing so.
Britt in VA : 10/1/2017 8:05 pm : link
the only one that should be embarrassed is you, for wanting to run our HOF QB out of town.
You were wrong, you ARE wrong, period.
This is why you deserve 100% of the shit you are getting today Britt.
You're can be a real prick to others here when you think you've been proven right. And you can ever admit it when you're wrong. Revenge tour. 10-6. You were as wrong as wrong can be. Own it.
Let Jones have some experience and reliability at the WR for his debut.
As for this season, my optimistic prediction of 10-6, etc...
Isn't this thread basically saying that was all wrong?
Also, Baker looks like a joke and here's to hoping its because they won't allow him to play man to man rather than being a draft bust.
Today is yours. Have at it?
Also, Baker looks like a joke and here's to hoping its because they won't allow him to play man to man rather than being a draft bust.
I think Manning plays at least until Sheppard is back, if not Sheppard AND Tate. Give Jones the most opportunity for success that way.