Eli was ineffective.
With the team playing this bad, Eli is ineffective and seemingly irrelevant to the outcomes of games.
I hesitate to put Jones in with these WR's, but there's nothing to lose at this point. This team is clearly going nowhere, so might as well get some meaningful game time in for Jones.
Put me in the start Jones camp. I'll still root for Manning as long as he's starting, but am ready to see what we have with Jones.
So come in and take your shots. There appears to be a certain level of glee happening right now, and I guess it's well deserved? Whatever. I want what's best for the Giants and that appears to me to be to get Jones in there now.
The team has no identity on offense or defense, but that's a whole other thread.
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.
Because loyalty and respect are irrelevant when it comes to winning games. I couldn't give two shits about anything beyond winning. I think we gave Eli enough respect by making him an extremely wealthy man.
And winning is a team effort
You didn't pay Eli anything.
The revenue from fans goes to pay his salary, so no you're wrong. Also, I never said winning wasn't a team effort just that respect should play 0 role in anything related to personnel decisions.
You're not forced to buy merchandise or tickets. That's your choice. It seems ridiculous to me for fans to take credit for a player's salary.
For me, respect is separate from wins and losses
That's beside the point. Eli has been shown respect by getting a salary no one on BBI will ever see. Why do we have to show him respect by playing him past his expiration date? Unless that's not what you meant.
Oh please
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.
Because loyalty and respect are irrelevant when it comes to winning games. I couldn't give two shits about anything beyond winning. I think we gave Eli enough respect by making him an extremely wealthy man.
And winning is a team effort
You didn't pay Eli anything.
The revenue from fans goes to pay his salary, so no you're wrong. Also, I never said winning wasn't a team effort just that respect should play 0 role in anything related to personnel decisions.
You're not forced to buy merchandise or tickets. That's your choice. It seems ridiculous to me for fans to take credit for a player's salary.
For me, respect is separate from wins and losses
That's beside the point. Eli has been shown respect by getting a salary no one on BBI will ever see. Why do we have to show him respect by playing him past his expiration date? Unless that's not what you meant.
That’s such an idiotic argument. Ellison gets a salary no one on BBI will ever see. Solder gets a salary no one on BBI will ever see. Cool can probably run down 40-50 guys where that’s the case. This is a bullshit shock jock take.
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Jones sucks ass and Eli wins a SB with an actual football team.
This board implodes when the next Dave Brown era ensues.
There is zero chance Eli ever sniffs the SuperBowl unless he is riding New England's bench.
I think there are legitimately good football teams out there who could benefit from Eli’s durability, experience, and ability in a playoff atmosphere.
I think Giants fans think he’s a bum based off of the bum ass roster he’s been a part of the last 8 years. I think other teams may value what he brings to the table.
At the end of the day it is what it is. Eli is done here and Jones is the future. I just think it will be more losing with Jones while Eli May have success if he lands with the right club.
No one besides some Giant fans think Eli is a good QB. Other teams salivate to play an Eli Manning. They know he’s guaranteed to either fumble, throw a pick, or throw 1 meaningless touchdown a game.
We’ll find out soon enough. The market we’ll make that call at the end of the year.
This board implodes when the next Dave Brown era ensues.
Notice the difference between this and Britt.
The Oline looks fine, Eli really is making them look worse. All you have to do is look around the league to see what other QBs are doing. It was especially highlighted by playing Allen today.
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.
Oh please
Care to elaborate?
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.
Because loyalty and respect are irrelevant when it comes to winning games. I couldn't give two shits about anything beyond winning. I think we gave Eli enough respect by making him an extremely wealthy man.
And winning is a team effort
You didn't pay Eli anything.
The revenue from fans goes to pay his salary, so no you're wrong. Also, I never said winning wasn't a team effort just that respect should play 0 role in anything related to personnel decisions.
You're not forced to buy merchandise or tickets. That's your choice. It seems ridiculous to me for fans to take credit for a player's salary.
For me, respect is separate from wins and losses
That's beside the point. Eli has been shown respect by getting a salary no one on BBI will ever see. Why do we have to show him respect by playing him past his expiration date? Unless that's not what you meant.
Because it certainly isn't Manning's fault that he is still playing qb for the giants. He doesn't make that decision. It can be argued who in fact does make that decision outside of Manning.
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.
Oh please
Care to elaborate?
Where to begin?
“Not giving an all time great the respect he deserves” what does that even mean? He’s been a bad QB going on three years now, people are bad fans for pointing that out?
I’m not happy that I was right about this team and the QB and I’m sure I speak for a lot of posters when I say I’d rather have been wrong than have my Sunday’s boring.
And this “woe is Eli” crap is part of what got us into this mess.
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.
Oh please
Care to elaborate?
Where to begin?
“Not giving an all time great the respect he deserves” what does that even mean? He’s been a bad QB going on three years now, people are bad fans for pointing that out?
I’m not happy that I was right about this team and the QB and I’m sure I speak for a lot of posters when I say I’d rather have been wrong than have my Sunday’s boring.
And this “woe is Eli” crap is part of what got us into this mess.
Interesting that you start your post with "where to begin" considering that it was I was thinking when reading your post. First, I never said you personally were an awful fan. There were plenty of posts during and after the game that point to what I was getting at, and again I never said you personally were happy about the giants situation.
If you read my post carefully you would noticed that I expressed the difficulty fans have expressing their opinions for change without being disrespectful.
And if you don't know what “Not giving an all time great the respect he deserves” then we can just forget that part because it certainly isn't worth the effort to explain something that is relatively easy to understand if one isn't being purposely dense.
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.
Oh please
Care to elaborate?
Where to begin?
“Not giving an all time great the respect he deserves” what does that even mean? He’s been a bad QB going on three years now, people are bad fans for pointing that out?
I’m not happy that I was right about this team and the QB and I’m sure I speak for a lot of posters when I say I’d rather have been wrong than have my Sunday’s boring.
And this “woe is Eli” crap is part of what got us into this mess.
Interesting that you start your post with "where to begin" considering that it was I was thinking when reading your post. First, I never said you personally were an awful fan. There were plenty of posts during and after the game that point to what I was getting at, and again I never said you personally were happy about the giants situation.
If you read my post carefully you would noticed that I expressed the difficulty fans have expressing their opinions for change without being disrespectful.
And if you don't know what “Not giving an all time great the respect he deserves” then we can just forget that part because it certainly isn't worth the effort to explain something that is relatively easy to understand if one isn't being purposely dense.
I never said you were talking about me.
When has Eli not been shown respect?
Now, I would start the Jones era next week and not look back. They may not be mathematically eliminated after 2 weeks. But, it is painfully obvious this team is not going anywhere and we certainly will not be in contention for the playoffs. So, there is absolutely no purpose to Manning continuing as the starter.
I just dont know how anyone believed Eli had good play left in him coming into this year. How many years in a row does the offense have to suck before people stop believing that Eli is suddenly going to turn the clock back?
Add in that the talent on this offense is worse than it was last year. Yes, offensive line is better, but it's not a great unit.
Mara really fucked this franchise right after McAdoo benched Eli. Not in firing Reese and McAdoo, but by bringing in a loser of a head coach in Shurmur, hiring a former giants employee as GM, and seemingly refusing to believe that a 36-38 year old QB could be on his last legs.
Eli doesn't elevate anyone around him anymore. And there's nothing wrong with that happening as he was 38. All time great QBs have been finished by 38 before, Eli is no different.
Mara's and the front offices handling of Eli is ruining Eli's legacy. It didn't have to end this way. McAdoo gave them their get out of jail free card and they refused to use it and all these last two years have done is ruin Eli's legacy. If Eli doesn't make the hall of fame, John Mara and Dave Gettleman are to blame for that.
The best Giant of my life's legacy is being ruined because John Mara simply can't let go and refuses to believe that a 37-38 year old QB who hasn't played good football consistently in a while is finished. That makes me sick to my stomach.
Eli isn't the only reason for the Giants being terrible for a while now. This is 6 years of awful football. With one fluke season that Eli didn't even play that well in sprinkled in.
The roster is in better shape going forward than it was at this time last year, but that's simply because of the presence of Jones.
The offensive line does not have long term solutions at LT or RT.
Every single Giants fan on here should be forever grateful to what Eli did for this franchise. He gave us fans two runs that we'll never ever ever forget. Even the biggest Eli fans in the world should want this to end. It's sad. It's hurting the franchise, it's hurting Eli's legacy. There are zero positives to Eli being in a Giants uniform this year. It's hurting every party involved and that makes me sad/angry/everything
A player like Manning deserves respect in my opinion regardless of what has happened. He is respectful, therefore deserving respect in my eyes. Again, you can be a criticize without being an ass, which defies respect.
Still waiting on the lack of respect Eli has gotten.
Still waiting on the lack of respect Eli has gotten.
You seriously want me to through the game threads and pull the comments, or the posts after the game? It's not that important to me that you see my point in regards to fans disrespecting him.
You also aren't reading what I am writing or you are failing to process what is wrote. Although you could just be showing once again your stubbornness. I have said repeatedly that one can be a critic without being insulting.
Give me a break
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Give me a break
Hi, what is your name? Do you want to be pals?
I hope so!
That said, this thread is a fine example of how Giants fans are just not very bright.
-before people stop believing that Eli is suddenly going to turn the clock back?
The answer my friends, is blowing' in the wind
The answer is blown' in the wind
Now, I would start the Jones era next week and not look back. They may not be mathematically eliminated after 2 weeks. But, it is painfully obvious this team is not going anywhere and we certainly will not be in contention for the playoffs. So, there is absolutely no purpose to Manning continuing as the starter.
+1. I was just about to post the same thing.
10-6 baby!
10-6 baby!
Glee.
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His revenge tour is just getting started!!!
10-6 baby!
Glee.
Frustrated trying to be funny
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His revenge tour is just getting started!!!
10-6 baby!
Glee.
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Certainly seems to be a fair amount of fans happy to be right about the current state of the giants. Also, not sure why fans seem to struggle giving an all time great Giant the respect he deserves while wanting a change. Awful fans.
Because loyalty and respect are irrelevant when it comes to winning games. I couldn't give two shits about anything beyond winning. I think we gave Eli enough respect by making him an extremely wealthy man.
“We” made him extremely wealthy? You’re a fucking clown.
The we is the team you dense fuck.
Ok, you don’t think he earned the contracts he’s been paid out?
As THE highest paid player in NFL history?
Seems kind of hard to defend that rank, doesn't it?
As the summer was coming to a close I made a mental list of all the reasons to look forward to the fall, and watching Giants games was at the damn near top of the list. So no, I'm not gleeful that it looks like we'll be one of the worst teams in the league for the 3rd year in the row.
I was mocking you in my post, because you sure deserve to be mocked. Last year you spent the whole offseason telling us that now that we would have a running game and some weapons on offense that Eli was about to go on a "revenge tour." Wrong. So this year you doubled down again, saying that actually Eli would be BETTER without OBJ, and predicting another revenge tour. Wrong again.
You predicted we'd go 10-6. How's that looking chief?
But you know what, a LOT of people are wrong on this board, and you don't see me mocking them, because they are not nearly as arrogant as you are here about how much smarter you are than the rest of us plebeians here on BBI.
Newsflash: you're not the smartest guy in the room. Just the president of the Eli fanboy club.
So instead of coming here and telling us how feeling fellow Giants fans how happy you know we secretly are that the Giants suck for the 3rd straight year you can try another course instead - a dose of humility for once.
I'm not going to apologize or backtrack for/from being optimistic.
I'm not going to apologize or backtrack for/from being optimistic.
The pissing on the grave wouldn’t have happened if the team cut bait when they should have.
I'm not going to apologize or backtrack for/from being optimistic.
I can speak for anyone else but myself, but I am not enjoying this at all.
I have not said one spiteful remark towards Eli, I feel really bad for him, he is doing everything he can but its not enough anymore.
All my scorn is directed squarely at Jints Central as BW likes to say.
I'm not going to apologize or backtrack for/from being optimistic.
You wren't be optimistic. You were being delusional.
Even now your arrogance prevents you from admitting how wrong you were. Admit it, in your heart you still feel like your were right about your predictions.
You do realize you've become a running joke on BBI, right?
If you want to change your reputation try some humility for a change.
You could actually have a conversation with him on the topic without it devolving into a dumpster fire.
What I don't get is how being critical on a message board is disrespectful to a man I've never met, will never meet, and most assuredly is not reading the criticism.
What's been tangibly disrespectful to Manning is the Giants asking him to play the part of stop gap when the combination of his skills and surrounding talent predictably equaled a lot of losing, physical wear, and ultimately embarrassment.
No one is gleeful the Giants and Manning have been beaten like a bag the last 2 years.
I think the feeling is called frustrated.
If it's just a matter of your opinion, can we cut through the bullshit where you say things like "you're all just saying what you think the Giants should do but I'm saying what they WILL do"?
Because that's the nonsense that's infuriating, and quite honestly, who the fuck wants to be gleeful about being on the same side as this sorry bunch of decision makers that the Giants have?
Yet there will be another game next week so the NFL goes on.
Who we playing?
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and continue calling it like I see it, right, wrong, or indifferent.
If it's just a matter of your opinion, can we cut through the bullshit where you say things like "you're all just saying what you think the Giants should do but I'm saying what they WILL do"?
Because that's the nonsense that's infuriating, and quite honestly, who the fuck wants to be gleeful about being on the same side as this sorry bunch of decision makers that the Giants have?
Why? Why waste time talking/debating about fantasy scenarios that have less than a 1% chance of happening, like outright cuts and trades over the years. There would be hundreds of posts on threads bemoaning that the Giants should make moves with Manning that didn't make a lot of sense for either party, other than the fan making the argument.
And even now, I'm on board saying that they should go ahead and start Jones. However, I doubt they will yet.
People post opinions to spur discussions.
That's different than a prediction, and certainly different than someone saying it's not worth discussing but it likely won't happen.
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and continue calling it like I see it, right, wrong, or indifferent.
If it's just a matter of your opinion, can we cut through the bullshit where you say things like "you're all just saying what you think the Giants should do but I'm saying what they WILL do"?
Because that's the nonsense that's infuriating, and quite honestly, who the fuck wants to be gleeful about being on the same side as this sorry bunch of decision makers that the Giants have?
Why? Why waste time talking/debating about fantasy scenarios that have less than a 1% chance of happening, like outright cuts and trades over the years. There would be hundreds of posts on threads bemoaning that the Giants should make moves with Manning that didn't make a lot of sense for either party, other than the fan making the argument.
And even now, I'm on board saying that they should go ahead and start Jones. However, I doubt they will yet.
Well, for one thing, because this is a discussion forum. And while I agree with you in general about some of the more outlandish suggestions, I'm talking more about the otherwise realistic scenarios that are only unrealistic when you stop to consider the dysfunctional front office and their history, especially their recent history.
But my POV has been that you have been, more often than not, a staunch defender of what they WILL do, because the status quo happened to also be aligned with what you were hoping they would do. I have to say, if there was ever something I was surprised to be wrong about, it's you being open to and even suggesting that it may be time for Jones.