he's unreal. he's on another planet. He can see it thirty yards down the field and it's there. And there are several others who are really not that far behind. I am not sure we have that in daniel Jones and we need to play him to find out now.
rare talent. If he keeps this up he might be in the discussion for greatest QB of all time.
seriously, for peak performance, I think he is already there. I just haven't seen anything like him going back to the early 70s. Will his career be that? Still a long way to go. But his peak level.. I just have never seen anything like it.
He also wanted to run 11 personnel 107% of the time and thought Gino Smith might save his job. Stumbling upon Mahomes as a great prospect, in his case, was probably an accident.
He also wanted to run 11 personnel 107% of the time and thought Gino Smith might save his job. Stumbling upon Mahomes as a great prospect, in his case, was probably an accident.
Let's be honest here. McAdoo's final season was besieged with injuries and a mutiny that was out of control. Was he the perfect guy for the job? Probably not? And it looks like Shurmur isn't either. McAdoo was Mara's Oliver North - a fall guy...
But the guy got us to the the playoffs. Our problems extended way beyond him - pervasive incompetency upstairs.
I only hope that when they give Jones the chance they let Â
him play to his strengths. He's mobile like Allen hope they use it. Doesn't mean he has to be recklass but if they try to make him an Eli clone then we'll have the same results.
He also wanted to run 11 personnel 107% of the time and thought Gino Smith might save his job. Stumbling upon Mahomes as a great prospect, in his case, was probably an accident.
Let's be honest here. McAdoo's final season was besieged with injuries and a mutiny that was out of control. Was he the perfect guy for the job? Probably not? And it looks like Shurmur isn't either. McAdoo was Mara's Oliver North - a fall guy...
But the guy got us to the the playoffs. Our problems extended way beyond him - pervasive incompetency upstairs.
that really is the story, isn't it. We're stuck with terrible, incompetent ownership.
RE: I only hope that when they give Jones the chance they let Â
him play to his strengths. He's mobile like Allen hope they use it. Doesn't mean he has to be recklass but if they try to make him an Eli clone then we'll have the same results.
I agree but if he can't win in the pocket like all the greats then he probably isn't the guy.
Yes, the FO is inept. But, again, McAdoo hasn’t been some kind of hot commodity since he was fired. He wasn’t a ‘fall guy’. He was bad.
Hell, the argument can be made that the FO is so damn incompetent that the hiring of McAdoo was a terrible move at the get go.
there is an organizational dysfunction. That's our problem. McAdoo is gone. He's not the problem now.
I agree. And I also think that disfunction made them needlessly panic when they heard the Eagles were looking at McAdoo as a possible option. The front office has been shit for a while now. The McAdoo nonsense just amplified it
McAdoo was just a terrible coach put into a terrible situation. It’s not like there are teams busting down the door to hire him as a HC again.
Ok, I get it. So you don't want to credit the guy who saw the special abilities of Pat Mahomes. Fine. McAdoo knows nothing about evaluating talent...
Of course, neither did Reese his last 5 years.
Why does he deserve credit? For liking a QB? So the fuck what. He was a terrible HC and, he hasn’t even sniffed a HC gig since he’s been fired. Hell, I haven’t even heard his name mentioned much, if at all.
Lol, is this where we are now? People defending McAdoo? Haha. Â
Want to give him credit for getting to the playoffs? Fine. But then taking that playoff team and losing the entire team in epic proportions the following season...and make it seem like the was something the poor guy had to deal with? Get the fuck out of here, he created all of it.
Losing seasons really bring out the best in fans, huh? This place is weird.
This..as bad as Mac was, this would've made him viewed at least a little better..getting Mahommes. But who really knows.might've been a bad development and fit with giants.
This..as bad as Mac was, this would've made him viewed at least a little better..getting Mahommes. But who really knows.might've been a bad development and fit with giants.
The irony in all of this close to decade long mess is that McAdoo was the first one to recognize the rotting in this franchise. Of course, he couldn’t do anything to fix it, but at least he recognized it.
Why does he deserve credit? For liking a QB? So the fuck what. He was a terrible HC and, he hasn’t even sniffed a HC gig since he’s been fired. Hell, I haven’t even heard his name mentioned much, if at all.
McAdoo deserves credit because he saw Eli was very close to being finished. And he realized this organization needed to pivot and solve that problem. So he saw a great prospect - Mahomes - and pushed for the organization to trade for him.
But because the clowns at Jints Central still thought Eli was a SB caliber QB we missed out on a potentially franchise shifting opportunity.
So we're left with retread GM, a HC who should be the head coach for a high school team, a great RB who we should have passed on, and the future QB, with a lot of question marks, we refuse to play...
The irony in all of this close to decade long mess is that McAdoo was the first one to recognize the rotting in this franchise. Of course, he couldn’t do anything to fix it, but at least he recognized it.
Oh puh-lease. He didn’t recognize a goddamn thing. Otherwise, he’d still be here.
Christ. The way this is coming off from some of you, you’d think the Giants let Lombardi or Landry walk out the door again. Meanwhile, McAdoo’s been out of the NFL since he was fired. Hasn’t even been hired on as any kind of coordinator or anything else.
Why does he deserve credit? For liking a QB? So the fuck what. He was a terrible HC and, he hasn’t even sniffed a HC gig since he’s been fired. Hell, I haven’t even heard his name mentioned much, if at all.
McAdoo deserves credit because he saw Eli was very close to being finished. And he realized this organization needed to pivot and solve that problem. So he saw a great prospect - Mahomes - and pushed for the organization to trade for him.
But because the clowns at Jints Central still thought Eli was a SB caliber QB we missed out on a potentially franchise shifting opportunity.
So we're left with retread GM, a HC who should be the head coach for a high school team, a great RB who we should have passed on, and the future QB, with a lot of question marks, we refuse to play...
McAdoo hasn’t had a job in the NFL since he was fired by the Giants. Stop.
Hasn’t had a job since he’s been fired because he’s fucking terrible at the job. He hasn’t been black balled. There isn’t some grand conspiracy against him. He isn’t some sort of misunderstood genius. He just plain fucking sucked. Period.
He did - absolutely.
he's unreal. he's on another planet. He can see it thirty yards down the field and it's there. And there are several others who are really not that far behind. I am not sure we have that in daniel Jones and we need to play him to find out now.
seriously, for peak performance, I think he is already there. I just haven't seen anything like him going back to the early 70s. Will his career be that? Still a long way to go. But his peak level.. I just have never seen anything like it.
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McAdoo wanted this guy badly.
He did - absolutely.
He also wanted to run 11 personnel 107% of the time and thought Gino Smith might save his job. Stumbling upon Mahomes as a great prospect, in his case, was probably an accident.
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McAdoo wanted this guy badly.
He did - absolutely.
And I wanted a blowie from Kate Upton, badly.
So what?
Wish in one hand, shit in the other. We know what fills up first.
He also wanted to run 11 personnel 107% of the time and thought Gino Smith might save his job. Stumbling upon Mahomes as a great prospect, in his case, was probably an accident.
Let's be honest here. McAdoo's final season was besieged with injuries and a mutiny that was out of control. Was he the perfect guy for the job? Probably not? And it looks like Shurmur isn't either. McAdoo was Mara's Oliver North - a fall guy...
But the guy got us to the the playoffs. Our problems extended way beyond him - pervasive incompetency upstairs.
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He also wanted to run 11 personnel 107% of the time and thought Gino Smith might save his job. Stumbling upon Mahomes as a great prospect, in his case, was probably an accident.
Let's be honest here. McAdoo's final season was besieged with injuries and a mutiny that was out of control. Was he the perfect guy for the job? Probably not? And it looks like Shurmur isn't either. McAdoo was Mara's Oliver North - a fall guy...
But the guy got us to the the playoffs. Our problems extended way beyond him - pervasive incompetency upstairs.
that really is the story, isn't it. We're stuck with terrible, incompetent ownership.
I agree but if he can't win in the pocket like all the greats then he probably isn't the guy.
Hell, the argument can be made that the FO is so damn incompetent that the hiring of McAdoo was a terrible move at the get go.
Hell, the argument can be made that the FO is so damn incompetent that the hiring of McAdoo was a terrible move at the get go.
there is an organizational dysfunction. That's our problem. McAdoo is gone. He's not the problem now.
Who thinks Eli is a top 10 QB still? I think after today the consensus is that he should not be playing anymore even from his strongest supporters.
Ok, I get it. So you don't want to credit the guy who saw the special abilities of Pat Mahomes. Fine. McAdoo knows nothing about evaluating talent...
Of course, neither did Reese his last 5 years.
Here? Not so much.
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are people here who think Eli is a top 10 QB. So yea I think folks need to be reminded what great is. Sorry you're too stupid to see it.
Who thinks Eli is a top 10 QB still? I think after today the consensus is that he should not be playing anymore even from his strongest supporters.
i hope you're right.
Here? Not so much.
right.. he's also the most talented QB in the NFL.
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Yes, the FO is inept. But, again, McAdoo hasn’t been some kind of hot commodity since he was fired. He wasn’t a ‘fall guy’. He was bad.
Hell, the argument can be made that the FO is so damn incompetent that the hiring of McAdoo was a terrible move at the get go.
there is an organizational dysfunction. That's our problem. McAdoo is gone. He's not the problem now.
I agree. And I also think that disfunction made them needlessly panic when they heard the Eagles were looking at McAdoo as a possible option. The front office has been shit for a while now. The McAdoo nonsense just amplified it
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McAdoo was just a terrible coach put into a terrible situation. It’s not like there are teams busting down the door to hire him as a HC again.
Ok, I get it. So you don't want to credit the guy who saw the special abilities of Pat Mahomes. Fine. McAdoo knows nothing about evaluating talent...
Of course, neither did Reese his last 5 years.
Why does he deserve credit? For liking a QB? So the fuck what. He was a terrible HC and, he hasn’t even sniffed a HC gig since he’s been fired. Hell, I haven’t even heard his name mentioned much, if at all.
Losing seasons really bring out the best in fans, huh? This place is weird.
This..as bad as Mac was, this would've made him viewed at least a little better..getting Mahommes. But who really knows.might've been a bad development and fit with giants.
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McAdoo wanted this guy badly.
This..as bad as Mac was, this would've made him viewed at least a little better..getting Mahommes. But who really knows.might've been a bad development and fit with giants.
Remember, he would have had McAdoo as his coach.
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McAdoo wanted this guy badly.
He did - absolutely.
The irony in all of this close to decade long mess is that McAdoo was the first one to recognize the rotting in this franchise. Of course, he couldn’t do anything to fix it, but at least he recognized it.
He also wanted Davis Webb.
Why does he deserve credit? For liking a QB? So the fuck what. He was a terrible HC and, he hasn’t even sniffed a HC gig since he’s been fired. Hell, I haven’t even heard his name mentioned much, if at all.
McAdoo deserves credit because he saw Eli was very close to being finished. And he realized this organization needed to pivot and solve that problem. So he saw a great prospect - Mahomes - and pushed for the organization to trade for him.
But because the clowns at Jints Central still thought Eli was a SB caliber QB we missed out on a potentially franchise shifting opportunity.
So we're left with retread GM, a HC who should be the head coach for a high school team, a great RB who we should have passed on, and the future QB, with a lot of question marks, we refuse to play...
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McAdoo wanted this guy badly.
He did - absolutely.
The irony in all of this close to decade long mess is that McAdoo was the first one to recognize the rotting in this franchise. Of course, he couldn’t do anything to fix it, but at least he recognized it.
Oh puh-lease. He didn’t recognize a goddamn thing. Otherwise, he’d still be here.
Christ. The way this is coming off from some of you, you’d think the Giants let Lombardi or Landry walk out the door again. Meanwhile, McAdoo’s been out of the NFL since he was fired. Hasn’t even been hired on as any kind of coordinator or anything else.
He fucking sucked. Plain and simple.
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Why does he deserve credit? For liking a QB? So the fuck what. He was a terrible HC and, he hasn’t even sniffed a HC gig since he’s been fired. Hell, I haven’t even heard his name mentioned much, if at all.
McAdoo deserves credit because he saw Eli was very close to being finished. And he realized this organization needed to pivot and solve that problem. So he saw a great prospect - Mahomes - and pushed for the organization to trade for him.
But because the clowns at Jints Central still thought Eli was a SB caliber QB we missed out on a potentially franchise shifting opportunity.
So we're left with retread GM, a HC who should be the head coach for a high school team, a great RB who we should have passed on, and the future QB, with a lot of question marks, we refuse to play...
McAdoo hasn’t had a job in the NFL since he was fired by the Giants. Stop.
That’s just ignorant.
McAdoo hasn’t had a job in the NFL since he was fired by the Giants. Stop.
Of course he hasn't because Mara has succeeded in getting the guy blackballed.
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McAdoo hasn’t had a job in the NFL since he was fired by the Giants. Stop.
Of course he hasn't because Mara has succeeded in getting the guy blackballed.
Holy tinfoil hat conspiracy Batman!
Jesus tap fucking dancing christ, are you a McAdoo family member?
Seriously, just stop.
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