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If we move on from Shurmur, who will our next HC be?

Anakim : 9/15/2019 6:01 pm
The shitty part about is that drafting a potential franchise QB essentially gives the coach and the GM a longer leash. But Shurmur is fucking 15 - 36 in his coaching career. Truly atrocious. How can you justify keeping around someone with that record? If we have another sub-5 win season, I can see us (as we should) going in another direction. My guess is Gettleman may have a "cooler" seat than Shurmur, for better or worse. If we're out of the playoff race and Jones looks lost, that may be all she wrote for both.


I can't see someone like Josh McDaniels coming here since he's bound to succeed Lil' Bill. My guess? Mara will want to revert back to going with the familiar and we'll probably hire John Fox. Ugh.


And we'll have to hear about Bill Cowher again...
meh  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/15/2019 6:03 pm : link
You know what is coming. They'll keep Shurmur and fire Bettcher and a few position coaches. Then after 2020, they'll fire Shurmur.

It's the Giants way.
RE: meh  
Anakim : 9/15/2019 6:05 pm : link
In comment 14578132 Eric from BBI said:
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You know what is coming. They'll keep Shurmur and fire Bettcher and a few position coaches. Then after 2020, they'll fire Shurmur.

It's the Giants way.


Ah yes. All too familiar with that.
Kellen  
GoDeep13 : 9/15/2019 6:06 pm : link
Moore
First, we will hold onto Shurmur for too long...  
EricJ : 9/15/2019 6:06 pm : link
then, the new head coach will fit the mold/suit that Mara has in mind.
The one bright side is we may see DJ earlier than later.  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/15/2019 6:07 pm : link
I thought Shurmur was completely safe for this year until today, but his seat got a lil warmer. Vegas gives him decent odds of getting fired and I think it is going to be tied to how well DJ does at end of the year.
For the first time  
Jay on the Island : 9/15/2019 6:08 pm : link
I would give serious consideration towards hiring a college HC.
I’ll take new blood  
superspynyg : 9/15/2019 6:08 pm : link
Shaw from Stanford if he is interested.
Shurmur has to win at least 7 games  
Vanzetti : 9/15/2019 6:08 pm : link
Otherwise he is gone
Anak, I think we may be getting  
Bill in UT : 9/15/2019 6:08 pm : link
a little ahead of ourselves here, lol
I’m ready for a defensive minded coach..  
Sean : 9/15/2019 6:09 pm : link
Tired of these WCO HC’s.
Maybe we should go for a “child” this time  
Essex : 9/15/2019 6:10 pm : link
instead of the “adult”
Shurmur  
Jon in NYC : 9/15/2019 6:10 pm : link
has some more time. But Bettcher's gotta go. The defense doesn't have a lot of talent, but they look fucking clueless. That's on the coach.
This is a very interesting question...  
bw in dc : 9/15/2019 6:11 pm : link
Lincoln Riley would be very high on my list.

But that would require some serious out-of-the box thinking from a very stale organization glued to their ways...
I think you have to consider  
LIbud : 9/15/2019 6:12 pm : link
that despite the storied, NY franchise and the championships... I’m not exactly sure a good HC would want to replace Shurmur with Gettleman still there. This is a bad team, I’m becoming quite convinced it’s badly coached (again) and we clearly have piss poor ownership.

Theory.  
Affirmation : 9/15/2019 6:15 pm : link
I'm not to sure on who the next Head Coach will be, ideally I would like to entice Bill Belichick to make the move back here and fix the franchise but I just can't see it happening.

My brother is almost convinced the team will go back to making a more "sure" appointment and will hire Mike Mccarthy as the next head coach. Dave Gettleman will remain as General Manger and the blame will be shifted onto Pat Shurmur for the failings of the team.
WTF? Get real  
bc4life : 9/15/2019 6:17 pm : link
They aren't firing Bettcher. Defense is full of young players and they lack talent on the edge.
Schurmur ain't going anywhere  
micky : 9/15/2019 6:19 pm : link
Get real
Gettleman  
Marty866b : 9/15/2019 6:19 pm : link
If I was firing people I'd start with him. Big blowhard who is proving to be awful at what he does. Anyone else want to applaud the great job he is doing? How many posters here posted that crap? This franchise is going backwards and when you come into the season being 8-24 over the last two, that's extremely difficult to do but Gettleman's team is going backwards.
RE: Kellen  
Ira : 9/15/2019 6:20 pm : link
In comment 14578142 GoDeep13 said:
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Moore


Interesting thought. Dallas's O looked very impressive last week. He's young, but he seemed to always be a step ahead of us last week.
Gettleman has brought a lot of talent  
bc4life : 9/15/2019 6:23 pm : link
onto this team. DL and Ol are better. Like at least two of LBs he has drafted.

Kellen Moore  
bc4life : 9/15/2019 6:25 pm : link
has played two weak defenses. Let's not annoint him as the next big thing just yet
RE: This is a very interesting question...  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/15/2019 6:26 pm : link
In comment 14578168 bw in dc said:
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Lincoln Riley would be very high on my list.

But that would require some serious out-of-the box thinking from a very stale organization glued to their ways...


He isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
bc4life  
Marty866b : 9/15/2019 6:29 pm : link
You say "Gettleman has brought A LOT of talent to this team". Hope your a comedian because outside of the Dolphins the Giants might have the worst roster in the entire league. If you think the d-line is better now then when Gettleman arrived, I don't know what you're looking at. Vernon and Snacks are Aaron Donald and Reggie White compared to what are seeing now.
whatever  
bc4life : 9/15/2019 6:31 pm : link
but I know it's tantrum time after a tough loss and poor showing. so have at it
The DL is not better. They’re all JAGs at best.  
arniefez : 9/15/2019 6:32 pm : link
Gettleman used the #17 for a 2 down NT who has shown nothing so far. Good teams fill that slot with an UDFA. Snacks was an UDFA.

The LBs are the worst in the NFL. The absolute worst. I’m not sure any of them besides Cater would even make another roster let alone start.

Gettleman used #2, #3, #4, #5, #6 in this draft on 3 DBs. One who looks lost, undersized and under speed Baker. One who can’t even practice let alone play Beal and one who looks the part has the size and speed but the coaches won’t give him a chance yet Ballentine.

Whoever is surprised the Giants have a bottom 3 NFL defense hasn’t paid attention. On top of that the defense is horribly coached.
RE: bc4life  
section125 : 9/15/2019 6:36 pm : link
In comment 14578246 Marty866b said:
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You say "Gettleman has brought A LOT of talent to this team". Hope your a comedian because outside of the Dolphins the Giants might have the worst roster in the entire league. If you think the d-line is better now then when Gettleman arrived, I don't know what you're looking at. Vernon and Snacks are Aaron Donald and Reggie White compared to what are seeing now.


Of course the roster is better. They have a ton of 1st and 2nd year players. Do you think that teams change players and and magically just win. They had a whole pile of shit to discharge and replace, malcontents, under achievers, etc.
I know it is frustrating to watch these games, but you have to let these guys play.
I also think it is time to let Jones play and sit Eli. I think it may happen sooner than later after watching that lame performance today.
section125  
bc4life : 9/15/2019 6:41 pm : link
If they're going to make a move. I think it might be better to wait for Shepard and Tate to come back. He needs wrs who can help him
I’ll keep saying it.  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/15/2019 6:42 pm : link
Betcher it Tim Lewis. Lewis was horrific. Slags came in and they won a Super Bowl. Corey Webster was a total bust. Yes this D has a lot less talent but this clown can’t coach. We’d him gone ASAP
Mike mccarthy  
KDubbs : 9/15/2019 6:43 pm : link
I’d like to have winning teams each yr thanks. Dont have to be super bowl winners every yr but please no sustained losing like this. This blows
section 125  
Marty866b : 9/15/2019 6:50 pm : link
Just because they are 1st or 2nd year players doesn't make them any better then the players that they have replaced. Also, just because they were high draft picks doesn't mean they are good players. IMO, the only position on the ENTIRE team that we are better then average is at running back. To date, Gettleman's draft picks and free agent signings have been poor. The proof is on the field. Gettleman's record as the GM here is 5-13. He has improved the o-line,and running back, but I can argue every other position has gotten worse since he arrived. This team is not even competitive.
Marty  
bc4life : 9/15/2019 6:58 pm : link
I like this front seven - they're just young and it's a new scheme. Not enough talent on the edge but the foundation is there. I think time will prove me and Gettleman right - but only time will tell...
RE: meh  
Justlurking : 9/15/2019 7:43 pm : link
In comment 14578132 Eric from BBI said:
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You know what is coming. They'll keep Shurmur and fire Bettcher and a few position coaches. Then after 2020, they'll fire Shurmur.

It's the Giants way.


And Chris Mara will get a promotion.
RE: This is a very interesting question...  
Justlurking : 9/15/2019 7:45 pm : link
In comment 14578168 bw in dc said:
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Lincoln Riley would be very high on my list.

But that would require some serious out-of-the box thinking from a very stale organization glued to their ways...


They should back up the truck for Riley.
RE: RE: This is a very interesting question...  
bw in dc : 9/15/2019 7:46 pm : link
In comment 14578230 Zeke's Alibi said:
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He isn't going anywhere anytime soon.


Why? Things just that cushy and sweet in Norman?
RE: bc4life  
Justlurking : 9/15/2019 7:46 pm : link
In comment 14578246 Marty866b said:
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You say "Gettleman has brought A LOT of talent to this team". Hope your a comedian because outside of the Dolphins the Giants might have the worst roster in the entire league. If you think the d-line is better now then when Gettleman arrived, I don't know what you're looking at. Vernon and Snacks are Aaron Donald and Reggie White compared to what are seeing now.


There is no talent on this team. We have to have the slowest defense in the league.
I felt Rhule made sense here..  
Sean : 9/15/2019 7:54 pm : link
He worked under Coughlin & has been successful everywhere he went, just don’t see them going in that direction now.

If Tomlin shakes loose, I’d like that hire.
Chris Mara should retire...for the benefit of the team.  
NYRiese : 9/15/2019 8:00 pm : link
It just doesn't look right. A management spy in the middle of the "workers".
RE: Gettleman has brought a lot of talent  
gmenatlarge : 9/15/2019 8:28 pm : link
In comment 14578221 bc4life said:
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onto this team. DL and Ol are better. Like at least two of LBs he has drafted.


How is the DL better? Can’t agree there and the LB play is atrocious!
RE: This is a very interesting question...  
Section331 : 9/15/2019 8:34 pm : link
In comment 14578168 bw in dc said:
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Lincoln Riley would be very high on my list.

But that would require some serious out-of-the box thinking from a very stale organization glued to their ways...


Exactly who I was thinking of. I just wonder why he hasn’t gotten any NFL HC pub to date?
The Giants problem  
AcesUp : 9/15/2019 8:38 pm : link
hasn't been loyalty to their coaches but the piecemealed nature in how they assigned blame. You ride with DG/Shurmur/Bettcher through this season and the next. You don't make snap decision on incomplete information and you don't make half decisions either. You hold the whole chain accountable but you give them time.
Coach  
TyreeHelmet : 9/15/2019 9:04 pm : link
I know I’m thinking outside the box here, but maybe hire a guy with a record of winning as a head coach. Or atleast a coordinator with long record of success and not one fluky year.

I know this roster is bad but Shurmur has shown zero evidence he’s an average coach let alone a good one.
I'd Hire...  
Bradshaw's Decal : 9/15/2019 9:06 pm : link
Bill Cowher...jk... Hasn't that been our solution here for like 5 years..
RE: The Giants problem  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/15/2019 9:08 pm : link
In comment 14578635 AcesUp said:
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hasn't been loyalty to their coaches but the piecemealed nature in how they assigned blame. You ride with DG/Shurmur/Bettcher through this season and the next. You don't make snap decision on incomplete information and you don't make half decisions either. You hold the whole chain accountable but you give them time.


Well said. Changing coaches without GM is for winning teams, not for teams that don't produce. 3 years. You could make the excuse doing after 2, but they have a rookie QB. That is why it is imperative he gets as much playing time as possible so they can't bullshit their way out of getting fired after year 3 if they miss the playoffs.
RE: RE: bc4life  
jcn56 : 9/15/2019 9:10 pm : link
In comment 14578268 section125 said:
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In comment 14578246 Marty866b said:


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You say "Gettleman has brought A LOT of talent to this team". Hope your a comedian because outside of the Dolphins the Giants might have the worst roster in the entire league. If you think the d-line is better now then when Gettleman arrived, I don't know what you're looking at. Vernon and Snacks are Aaron Donald and Reggie White compared to what are seeing now.



Of course the roster is better. They have a ton of 1st and 2nd year players. Do you think that teams change players and and magically just win. They had a whole pile of shit to discharge and replace, malcontents, under achievers, etc.
I know it is frustrating to watch these games, but you have to let these guys play.
I also think it is time to let Jones play and sit Eli. I think it may happen sooner than later after watching that lame performance today.


You're basing your statement that the roster is 'of course better' on what, exactly? Certainly not performance or wins.

Assuming they're better because they're unproven doesn't mean much. They could be every bit as bad, if not worse, than the guys they replaced.

Some posters here have given Gettleman a ton of credit - but outside of Barkley, where's the impact? Hernandez is a good player, but you should get a good player at the top of the 2nd round. BJ Hill has made a few plays, but so far this year he's been quiet. Beyond that - the rest of the drafted players haven't amounted to anything, and the FA acquisitions have been nothing short of disastrous.
bc4life  
Marty866b : 9/15/2019 9:47 pm : link
I wish I could share your optimism and I pray you are right. I am just so tired of watching them lose. I think we are all so used to it.
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