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I don't get the Eli pity

EJJ : 9/15/2019 6:18 pm
Let me preface this by saying I'm a fan he won us 2 Super Bowls,And I win always love the guy for that along with the way he has represented the NY Giants and as a role model BUT he's done!
The guy has made a fortune including his 20 something million this year!
If he's ready Jones is the man it's his time to show us what he can do. Eli brings absolutely nothing to the table at this point. We all have eyes why are so many blind to this?
The one deep pass he completed was a floating lob luckily caught. We as fans deserve a shot at actually seeing some winning football again!
I'm hoping that Jones starts the Home Redskins game.
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I have been advocating moving on from Eli for awhile now  
jcn56 : 9/15/2019 6:44 pm : link
it's possible to feel that way and still feel some pity for Eli. He was a great Giant. Imperfect, but led the team to two Super Bowls and had great longevity.

He hasn't been good for a few years now. It's not entirely on him, the team definitely had roster problems. He also wasn't good enough anymore to elevate the Giants to overcome some of those limitations, as he had in the past.

I would much rather have seen him go off with a winning campaign, with one last shot at performing up to his old level. At the end of the day, I think the Giants dysfunction and changes to the game have made him obsolete, and it's tough seeing him go out like this, regardless of what he's being paid.
If we continue to lose  
Bluesbreaker : 9/15/2019 6:44 pm : link
I would say Arizona is the game that I would make the change
I am not gonna throw him out there against the Vikings thats
for sure can we beat the Skins and the Bucks
if were 2-4 1-5 then Cardinals is the ideal spot 0-6 is
a no brainer
So at least they would have Tate Shepard and Slayton back
healthy .
We're 0-2  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/15/2019 6:44 pm : link
season is toast. Time to see what the rook has.

As someone mentioned, lets wait until SS or Tate comeback. Neither are stud alpha receivers, but they do bring a lot to the table as slot/possession/route running guys to Shermur's dink and dunk offense.
Bettcher did not coach  
bc4life : 9/15/2019 6:45 pm : link
well in Zona, then forget on the way to New Jersey. His personnel are much younger and inexprerienced. A few of those vets were Pro Bowl caliber players. The defense will get better. Thinking (and hoping) Skipper can add a bit to the pass rush. And if Beal comes back and can stay healthy for a while - we'll see what we have there
He’s Bruce Willis in the Sixth Sense  
cjac : 9/15/2019 6:45 pm : link
He doesn’t realize he’s dead

Time to move on


I can't imagine being so enamored with a football player as an adult  
BestFeature : 9/15/2019 6:49 pm : link
That you would defend him at every chance you get, even when he's clearly not that good anymore. Some people act like kids when it comes to Eli. It's never his fucking fault because I can't have bad people saying naughty things about him.
RE: We're 0-2  
Danny Dimes : 9/15/2019 6:50 pm : link
In comment 14578294 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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season is toast. Time to see what the rook has.

As someone mentioned, lets wait until SS or Tate comeback. Neither are stud alpha receivers, but they do bring a lot to the table as slot/possession/route running guys to Shermur's dink and dunk offense.


0-2 doesn't necessarily mean season is toast. If they put me on the game vs Bills we would be 1-1, but its ojay because if they start me week 3 vs Buccs our winning streak begings. Dont be like Niners starting Garoplo with 0-9 season then Garoplo wins 6 str8. All that does is ruin you draft spot which they could of had Barkley
RE: He’s Bruce Willis in the Sixth Sense  
Hsilwek92 : 9/15/2019 6:53 pm : link
In comment 14578300 cjac said:
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He doesn’t realize he’s dead

Time to move on



Pretty good analogy.
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eli4life : 9/15/2019 6:55 pm : link
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you're delusional.


And your an abysmal shit troll. This is no way shape or form Eli’s fault. Defense can’t stop shit but yep that’s all on Eli. Top 3 receivers out yep that’s his fault too. Shitty play calling it’s got to be him. Do I think he still has it not likely. I do think the time has come to play DJ probably as someone else mentioned when tateand shepherd returns but to say this is all on Eli is ridiculous and trolling. Btw mr sept 2019 what other handles were you and banned with?
RE: The Eli Pity is not about now  
Junior22 : 9/15/2019 6:55 pm : link
In comment 14578248 Giantimistic said:
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It is about having his prime years wasted because of organizational failures and since it was finally recognized his current state is not a match for where the team is. Eli could still win like Peyton won with a team like Denver.


Delusional much
RE: RE: He’s Bruce Willis in the Sixth Sense  
Danny Dimes : 9/15/2019 6:55 pm : link
In comment 14578326 Hsilwek92 said:
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Pretty good analogy.

Can you read text from dead people?
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Danny Dimes : 9/15/2019 6:57 pm : link
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you're delusional.



And your an abysmal shit troll. This is no way shape or form Eli’s fault. Defense can’t stop shit but yep that’s all on Eli. Top 3 receivers out yep that’s his fault too. Shitty play calling it’s got to be him. Do I think he still has it not likely. I do think the time has come to play DJ probably as someone else mentioned when tateand shepherd returns but to say this is all on Eli is ridiculous and trolling. Btw mr sept 2019 what other handles were you and banned with?
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What was Elis QBR this game after 2 ints? Now what was my QBR in preseason after 0 ints?
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Junior22 : 9/15/2019 6:57 pm : link
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you're delusional.



And your an abysmal shit troll. This is no way shape or form Eli’s fault. Defense can’t stop shit but yep that’s all on Eli. Top 3 receivers out yep that’s his fault too. Shitty play calling it’s got to be him. Do I think he still has it not likely. I do think the time has come to play DJ probably as someone else mentioned when tateand shepherd returns but to say this is all on Eli is ridiculous and trolling. Btw mr sept 2019 what other handles were you and banned with?


So according to you it's never on Eli. Before it was oline and bad routes tip balls coaching and gm now oline better and it's the receivers and coaching. I am sure all QBs in football would love you as a fan
How bad does he have to play  
markky : 9/15/2019 7:01 pm : link
Before it’s Eli’s fault?

This team isn't winning  
justafan : 9/15/2019 7:03 pm : link
another Super Bowl with Eli under center. It's probably not making the playoffs with Eli under center. What are we waiting for?

If the Giants lose next week, start DJ against Washington. Heck, I'm okay if they move to DJ in Tampa.
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Danny Dimes : 9/15/2019 7:05 pm : link
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Before it’s Eli’s fault?
he lead the league 4x with ints, its never his fault. I was trained by same coach and that coach even told me only reason Eli in NFL is his name.
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eli4life : 9/15/2019 7:05 pm : link
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you're delusional.



And your an abysmal shit troll. This is no way shape or form Eli’s fault. Defense can’t stop shit but yep that’s all on Eli. Top 3 receivers out yep that’s his fault too. Shitty play calling it’s got to be him. Do I think he still has it not likely. I do think the time has come to play DJ probably as someone else mentioned when tateand shepherd returns but to say this is all on Eli is ridiculous and trolling. Btw mr sept 2019 what other handles were you and banned with?



So according to you it's never on Eli. Before it was oline and bad routes tip balls coaching and gm now oline better and it's the receivers and coaching. I am sure all QBs in football would love you as a fan


Did I ever say he’s never at fault or he’s the savior or any of that? But to say this joke of team that’s trotted out there is just because Eli is the qb is just wrong.
RE: This is not Eli's fault  
Les in TO : 9/15/2019 7:06 pm : link
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you’re right. It is Reese Ross Coughlin McAdoo Odell randle Flowers Pugh weather etc etc
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AndyMilligan : 9/15/2019 7:08 pm : link
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you're delusional.



And your an abysmal shit troll. This is no way shape or form Eli’s fault. Defense can’t stop shit but yep that’s all on Eli. Top 3 receivers out yep that’s his fault too. Shitty play calling it’s got to be him. Do I think he still has it not likely. I do think the time has come to play DJ probably as someone else mentioned when tateand shepherd returns but to say this is all on Eli is ridiculous and trolling. Btw mr sept 2019 what other handles were you and banned with?

you lose your mind and curse and I'm the troll. Nice one..
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AndyMilligan : 9/15/2019 7:09 pm : link
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you're delusional.



And your an abysmal shit troll. This is no way shape or form Eli’s fault. Defense can’t stop shit but yep that’s all on Eli. Top 3 receivers out yep that’s his fault too. Shitty play calling it’s got to be him. Do I think he still has it not likely. I do think the time has come to play DJ probably as someone else mentioned when tateand shepherd returns but to say this is all on Eli is ridiculous and trolling. Btw mr sept 2019 what other handles were you and banned with?



So according to you it's never on Eli. Before it was oline and bad routes tip balls coaching and gm now oline better and it's the receivers and coaching. I am sure all QBs in football would love you as a fan



Did I ever say he’s never at fault or he’s the savior or any of that? But to say this joke of team that’s trotted out there is just because Eli is the qb is just wrong.

you are replying to a comment that claimed Eli had no fault. So you agree with me, yet you are screaming at me...
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Jerry from Maine : 9/15/2019 7:18 pm : link
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Eli was the least of the Giants' problems  
PaulBlakeTSU : 9/15/2019 7:20 pm : link
Saquan was the star today-- no denying. He is incredible.

The next thing to be ecstatic about is that the offensive line was mediocre. It wasn't good by any stretch. It wasn't pushing to the second level on runs, pancaking defenders or the sort. At times, there was an okay pocket against minimal rushers. But like many olines in the league, it gave up pressures. Our OL also did a terrible job engaging the DL and not allowing them to get free hands up to block down passes.

The Giants offensive line then had to rely on a questionable Latimer, Benny Fowler, TJ Davis, and Something Gore to catch passes. Early in the game, they dropped easy passes. At no point in the game did it seem like they were beating their men for good separation.

On top of that, Shurmur is a conservative coach-- he's the type of guy that kicks extra points after scoring a TD to cut a 14 point lead to 8 in the 4th quarter.

Are there QBs who can do more with nothing around him than Eli has been able to do over the last several years? Of course. So give Daniel Jones a shot. I've wanted the Giants to part with Eli for years for everyone's sake. But this team is hot garbage.

Going back 8/9 years, you could probably count on one hand the number of games Eli had above-average offensive line play with a choice collection of big target, pass-catching weapons.

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eli4life : 9/15/2019 7:21 pm : link
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you're delusional.



And your an abysmal shit troll. This is no way shape or form Eli’s fault. Defense can’t stop shit but yep that’s all on Eli. Top 3 receivers out yep that’s his fault too. Shitty play calling it’s got to be him. Do I think he still has it not likely. I do think the time has come to play DJ probably as someone else mentioned when tateand shepherd returns but to say this is all on Eli is ridiculous and trolling. Btw mr sept 2019 what other handles were you and banned with?



So according to you it's never on Eli. Before it was oline and bad routes tip balls coaching and gm now oline better and it's the receivers and coaching. I am sure all QBs in football would love you as a fan



Did I ever say he’s never at fault or he’s the savior or any of that? But to say this joke of team that’s trotted out there is just because Eli is the qb is just wrong.


you are replying to a comment that claimed Eli had no fault. So you agree with me, yet you are screaming at me...


No you claimed this mess is because Eli is the qb which is ridiculous the only thing I’d agree with is he no longer is the answer but honestly who can win with this team? Easy answer nobody. If the defense wasn’t utterly abysmal I think Eli could win us some games
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AndyMilligan : 9/15/2019 7:23 pm : link
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you're delusional.



And your an abysmal shit troll. This is no way shape or form Eli’s fault. Defense can’t stop shit but yep that’s all on Eli. Top 3 receivers out yep that’s his fault too. Shitty play calling it’s got to be him. Do I think he still has it not likely. I do think the time has come to play DJ probably as someone else mentioned when tateand shepherd returns but to say this is all on Eli is ridiculous and trolling. Btw mr sept 2019 what other handles were you and banned with?



So according to you it's never on Eli. Before it was oline and bad routes tip balls coaching and gm now oline better and it's the receivers and coaching. I am sure all QBs in football would love you as a fan



Did I ever say he’s never at fault or he’s the savior or any of that? But to say this joke of team that’s trotted out there is just because Eli is the qb is just wrong.


you are replying to a comment that claimed Eli had no fault. So you agree with me, yet you are screaming at me...



No you claimed this mess is because Eli is the qb which is ridiculous the only thing I’d agree with is he no longer is the answer but honestly who can win with this team? Easy answer nobody. If the defense wasn’t utterly abysmal I think Eli could win us some games

micky said: this is not Eli's fault
I said he was delusional
you said I was a filthy troll or something, then you said eli has some blame
so you agree with me, not the guy who said it is not Eli;s fault.

I never said it was all Eli's fault.
Eric is right....ownership has completely fucked this up. I hate the  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/15/2019 7:23 pm : link
fact I'm screaming to bench Eli week 3, but here we are.
I have been one of Eli's biggest supporters for a long time  
Matt M. : 9/15/2019 7:25 pm : link
At this time, I don't see how starting him serves any purpose. This is just a flat out bad team and he is not doing anything to inspire any reason for optimism. Even last week, when he played well (not amazing), he was nowhere near the difference maker we need to win. So, if we aren't winning, what purpose does it serve to continue playing the lame duck QB.
Tom Brady would look like dogshit  
PaulBlakeTSU : 9/15/2019 7:28 pm : link
over the last 6 years if he played for this team. Just the nature of things. Eli was able to win two Super Bowls which is more than most QBs could ever dream of. But the last near-decade of his career, he paid the price. He was given the Little Giants and asked to make chicken salad which he wasn't able to do.
RE: I don't think Jones is ready. He took four snaps under center in four  
AcesUp : 9/15/2019 7:29 pm : link
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pre-season games and fumbled one of the snaps.


He's definitely not ready but now is the time to get him ready.
Eli was a baller today  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/15/2019 7:32 pm : link
First to throw over 210 yards against Buff vaunted top rank pass defense since Brady last year, without his top two WR Benny Fowler lead passing attack.
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eli4life : 9/15/2019 7:35 pm : link
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you're delusional.



And your an abysmal shit troll. This is no way shape or form Eli’s fault. Defense can’t stop shit but yep that’s all on Eli. Top 3 receivers out yep that’s his fault too. Shitty play calling it’s got to be him. Do I think he still has it not likely. I do think the time has come to play DJ probably as someone else mentioned when tateand shepherd returns but to say this is all on Eli is ridiculous and trolling. Btw mr sept 2019 what other handles were you and banned with?



So according to you it's never on Eli. Before it was oline and bad routes tip balls coaching and gm now oline better and it's the receivers and coaching. I am sure all QBs in football would love you as a fan



Did I ever say he’s never at fault or he’s the savior or any of that? But to say this joke of team that’s trotted out there is just because Eli is the qb is just wrong.


you are replying to a comment that claimed Eli had no fault. So you agree with me, yet you are screaming at me...



No you claimed this mess is because Eli is the qb which is ridiculous the only thing I’d agree with is he no longer is the answer but honestly who can win with this team? Easy answer nobody. If the defense wasn’t utterly abysmal I think Eli could win us some games


micky said: this is not Eli's fault
I said he was delusional
you said I was a filthy troll or something, then you said eli has some blame
so you agree with me, not the guy who said it is not Eli;s fault.

I never said it was all Eli's fault.


Then I apologize for misinterpreting you
RE: Tom Brady would look like dogshit  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/15/2019 7:38 pm : link
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over the last 6 years if he played for this team. Just the nature of things. Eli was able to win two Super Bowls which is more than most QBs could ever dream of. But the last near-decade of his career, he paid the price. He was given the Little Giants and asked to make chicken salad which he wasn't able to do.


nope
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AndyMilligan : 9/15/2019 7:45 pm : link
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you're delusional.



And your an abysmal shit troll. This is no way shape or form Eli’s fault. Defense can’t stop shit but yep that’s all on Eli. Top 3 receivers out yep that’s his fault too. Shitty play calling it’s got to be him. Do I think he still has it not likely. I do think the time has come to play DJ probably as someone else mentioned when tateand shepherd returns but to say this is all on Eli is ridiculous and trolling. Btw mr sept 2019 what other handles were you and banned with?



So according to you it's never on Eli. Before it was oline and bad routes tip balls coaching and gm now oline better and it's the receivers and coaching. I am sure all QBs in football would love you as a fan



Did I ever say he’s never at fault or he’s the savior or any of that? But to say this joke of team that’s trotted out there is just because Eli is the qb is just wrong.


you are replying to a comment that claimed Eli had no fault. So you agree with me, yet you are screaming at me...



No you claimed this mess is because Eli is the qb which is ridiculous the only thing I’d agree with is he no longer is the answer but honestly who can win with this team? Easy answer nobody. If the defense wasn’t utterly abysmal I think Eli could win us some games


micky said: this is not Eli's fault
I said he was delusional
you said I was a filthy troll or something, then you said eli has some blame
so you agree with me, not the guy who said it is not Eli;s fault.

I never said it was all Eli's fault.



Then I apologize for misinterpreting you


no worries. this has been a tough day for us.
I don't get guys who feel the need to start threads bashing posters  
PatersonPlank : 9/15/2019 7:49 pm : link
who like Eli
I am fine waiting until after the bye.  
larryflower37 : 9/15/2019 7:54 pm : link
I figure we will be 2-8 maybe (could be 0-10.)
By that point it will be clear to everyone that Eli is part of the problem and we will be past the point of no return.
Also it will hopefully get shurmur fired.
should of been 21-14 at half  
nygiants16 : 9/15/2019 8:01 pm : link
at minimum 21-10, defense got a few stops and eli did nothing, captain checkdown is afraid to throw the ball in tight windows..

Jones  
Ike#88 : 9/15/2019 8:05 pm : link
was drafted #6. Play him now and if he sucks then draft a QB with the pick we have in 2020. Stop waiting till everything is perfect. It is time to make a change. Or get ready for the 70's Giants but in a worse way.
RE: Jones  
AcesUp : 9/15/2019 8:11 pm : link
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was drafted #6. Play him now and if he sucks then draft a QB with the pick we have in 2020. Stop waiting till everything is perfect. It is time to make a change. Or get ready for the 70's Giants but in a worse way.


We're not taking a QB in 2020. Jones can look like Paxton Lynch and that ain't on the table.

They should play Jones now to see if that's on the table in 2022 though.
Only Daniel Jones  
NoPeanutz : 9/15/2019 8:26 pm : link
can elevate Cody Core, Benny Fowler and TJ Jones into a pro-squad.
RE: Jones  
PatersonPlank : 9/15/2019 8:27 pm : link
In comment 14578552 Ike#88 said:
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was drafted #6. Play him now and if he sucks then draft a QB with the pick we have in 2020. Stop waiting till everything is perfect. It is time to make a change. Or get ready for the 70's Giants but in a worse way.


You don't give up on your top 10 pick, future starting QB, after a few games in his rookie season.
RE: RE: Jones  
AndyMilligan : 9/15/2019 8:29 pm : link
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was drafted #6. Play him now and if he sucks then draft a QB with the pick we have in 2020. Stop waiting till everything is perfect. It is time to make a change. Or get ready for the 70's Giants but in a worse way.



You don't give up on your top 10 pick, future starting QB, after a few games in his rookie season.

you do what you have to do to win. Kyler Murray looked pretty good today
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BillKo : 9/15/2019 8:49 pm : link
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Before it’s Eli’s fault?


he lead the league 4x with ints, its never his fault. I was trained by same coach and that coach even told me only reason Eli in NFL is his name.


Just think if they actually started a guy the last 10 years that deserved to play?? On merit, ya know?

BTW, you said you're more athletic than Eli in his prime? Are you available for a tryout?
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PatersonPlank : 9/15/2019 8:52 pm : link
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he lead the league 4x with ints, its never his fault. I was trained by same coach and that coach even told me only reason Eli in NFL is his name.



Just think if they actually started a guy the last 10 years that deserved to play?? On merit, ya know?

BTW, you said you're more athletic than Eli in his prime? Are you available for a tryout?


Billko, he thinks he's Daniel Jones
RE: The Eli Pity is not about now  
Jesse B : 9/15/2019 9:22 pm : link
In comment 14578248 Giantimistic said:
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It is about having his prime years wasted because of organizational failures and since it was finally recognized his current state is not a match for where the team is. Eli could still win like Peyton won with a team like Denver.



Every Qb could win with that broncos team. Peyton threw 9 TDS and 17 INT that year.
RE: This is not Eli's fault  
TyreeHelmet : 9/15/2019 9:23 pm : link
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How many more games/seasons until it is his fault? I love what Eli has done but he’s been a bad qb for a awhile now.
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PatersonPlank : 9/15/2019 9:32 pm : link
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was drafted #6. Play him now and if he sucks then draft a QB with the pick we have in 2020. Stop waiting till everything is perfect. It is time to make a change. Or get ready for the 70's Giants but in a worse way.



You don't give up on your top 10 pick, future starting QB, after a few games in his rookie season.


you do what you have to do to win. Kyler Murray looked pretty good today


Actually Murray didn't look good today. 0 TDs, and a 58 QBR. They are also 0-1-1. They would have had the same record with Rosen, and would have had another #1 pick to help in another area. I think this was a really stupid move by the Cardinals
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Nine-Tails : 9/15/2019 9:59 pm : link
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How many more games/seasons until it is his fault? I love what Eli has done but he’s been a bad qb for a awhile now.


I know right. Tell me this in the past say four years, how many games have you watched and felt Eli would lead us to a win or even outplay the opposing qb. The answer is small. I don’t get this hope some have with Eli, don’t you feel like you deserve better from the most important position on the field
RE: RE: I don't think Jones is ready. He took four snaps under center in four  
Nine-Tails : 9/15/2019 10:02 pm : link
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pre-season games and fumbled one of the snaps.



He's definitely not ready but now is the time to get him ready.


I think he is ready by Shurmurs standards
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AndyMilligan : 9/15/2019 10:11 pm : link
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was drafted #6. Play him now and if he sucks then draft a QB with the pick we have in 2020. Stop waiting till everything is perfect. It is time to make a change. Or get ready for the 70's Giants but in a worse way.



You don't give up on your top 10 pick, future starting QB, after a few games in his rookie season.


you do what you have to do to win. Kyler Murray looked pretty good today



Actually Murray didn't look good today. 0 TDs, and a 58 QBR. They are also 0-1-1. They would have had the same record with Rosen, and would have had another #1 pick to help in another area. I think this was a really stupid move by the Cardinals

You realize this is malpractice with stats. Kyler is 2nd in yards this week going into the Sunday night game. That's right 2nd. he was 25-40 349 yards. Compare that to Jones who was 0-0 for 0 yards. Kyler has 90.5 Rating. Not bad for a second game What was Eli Manning's rating you ask? 62.3. In his second game he is better than Manning. Same number of completions and 100 more yards. And remember when Arizona was terrible and the giants were going 10-6 according to many here. Right now Zona is much better than us. Your opinion is it was a bad move? My opinion is it was a great move. Get the QB you need to build your franchise around, and play him.
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Nine-Tails : 9/15/2019 10:17 pm : link
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was drafted #6. Play him now and if he sucks then draft a QB with the pick we have in 2020. Stop waiting till everything is perfect. It is time to make a change. Or get ready for the 70's Giants but in a worse way.



You don't give up on your top 10 pick, future starting QB, after a few games in his rookie season.


you do what you have to do to win. Kyler Murray looked pretty good today



Actually Murray didn't look good today. 0 TDs, and a 58 QBR. They are also 0-1-1. They would have had the same record with Rosen, and would have had another #1 pick to help in another area. I think this was a really stupid move by the Cardinals


You realize this is malpractice with stats. Kyler is 2nd in yards this week going into the Sunday night game. That's right 2nd. he was 25-40 349 yards. Compare that to Jones who was 0-0 for 0 yards. Kyler has 90.5 Rating. Not bad for a second game What was Eli Manning's rating you ask? 62.3. In his second game he is better than Manning. Same number of completions and 100 more yards. And remember when Arizona was terrible and the giants were going 10-6 according to many here. Right now Zona is much better than us. Your opinion is it was a bad move? My opinion is it was a great move. Get the QB you need to build your franchise around, and play him.


Hell even Gardner Minshew is lighting it up, sixth round pick this year. He’s been better than Eli so far. To those who say Jones isn’t ready, stop it. Play him and let him learn from live bullets
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AndyMilligan : 9/15/2019 11:14 pm : link
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was drafted #6. Play him now and if he sucks then draft a QB with the pick we have in 2020. Stop waiting till everything is perfect. It is time to make a change. Or get ready for the 70's Giants but in a worse way.



You don't give up on your top 10 pick, future starting QB, after a few games in his rookie season.


you do what you have to do to win. Kyler Murray looked pretty good today



Actually Murray didn't look good today. 0 TDs, and a 58 QBR. They are also 0-1-1. They would have had the same record with Rosen, and would have had another #1 pick to help in another area. I think this was a really stupid move by the Cardinals


You realize this is malpractice with stats. Kyler is 2nd in yards this week going into the Sunday night game. That's right 2nd. he was 25-40 349 yards. Compare that to Jones who was 0-0 for 0 yards. Kyler has 90.5 Rating. Not bad for a second game What was Eli Manning's rating you ask? 62.3. In his second game he is better than Manning. Same number of completions and 100 more yards. And remember when Arizona was terrible and the giants were going 10-6 according to many here. Right now Zona is much better than us. Your opinion is it was a bad move? My opinion is it was a great move. Get the QB you need to build your franchise around, and play him.



Hell even Gardner Minshew is lighting it up, sixth round pick this year. He’s been better than Eli so far. To those who say Jones isn’t ready, stop it. Play him and let him learn from live bullets


Agree!
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