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I don't get the Eli pity

EJJ : 9/15/2019 6:18 pm
Let me preface this by saying I'm a fan he won us 2 Super Bowls,And I win always love the guy for that along with the way he has represented the NY Giants and as a role model BUT he's done!
The guy has made a fortune including his 20 something million this year!
If he's ready Jones is the man it's his time to show us what he can do. Eli brings absolutely nothing to the table at this point. We all have eyes why are so many blind to this?
The one deep pass he completed was a floating lob luckily caught. We as fans deserve a shot at actually seeing some winning football again!
I'm hoping that Jones starts the Home Redskins game.
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If I did put Jones in  
bc4life : 9/15/2019 6:19 pm : link
it'd be after Tate and Shepard come back.
This is not Eli's fault  
micky : 9/15/2019 6:20 pm : link
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RE: This is not Eli's fault  
AndyMilligan : 9/15/2019 6:23 pm : link
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you're delusional.
I don't think Jones is ready. He took four snaps under center in four  
Ira : 9/15/2019 6:24 pm : link
pre-season games and fumbled one of the snaps.
Jones should/will play  
joeinpa : 9/15/2019 6:25 pm : link
Because it is a fact, Eli in the present is not able to overcome this teams deficiencies. The only reason to keep and play Eli is a belief this team could be a play off contender.

At the moment that seems unlikely. What s more likely is they will get a top 5 pick again in this year s draft

Those are reasons Jones should play sooner rather than later. But your premise that he will be more effective than Eli is probably not true, at least as it translates to wins.
RE: I don't think Jones is ready. He took four snaps under center in four  
Dutch77 : 9/15/2019 6:26 pm : link
In comment 14578225 Ira said:
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pre-season games and fumbled one of the snaps.

Eli has taken significantly more snaps in the NFL and he’s fumbles twice in 2 games with 1 lost. Not sure I get your point.
RE: This is not Eli's fault  
ron mexico : 9/15/2019 6:26 pm : link
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The team needs better play than “not their fault” play.

It would be nice to see some “gave us a chance” play

Or some “hopeful for the future” play.
Fat man in charlotte  
Ned In Atlanta : 9/15/2019 6:26 pm : link
Has gone into hiding. This guy absolutely blasted anyone who dared to question the logic of starring Eli. Now he’s nowhere to be found. Dep got banned but he was even worse
RE: I don't think Jones is ready. He took four snaps under center in four  
AndyMilligan : 9/15/2019 6:27 pm : link
In comment 14578225 Ira said:
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pre-season games and fumbled one of the snaps.

I actually agree with this. I have always said that Jones should start as soon as he is ready. Then they didn't give him more than one series in the 4th preseason game. Whereas Stidhama and Haskins all had major work. I took that as an alarm bell. If he's ready there is no excuse... But maybe they don't think he is ready.
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ron mexico : 9/15/2019 6:27 pm : link
In comment 14578225 Ira said:
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pre-season games and fumbled one of the snaps.


How is he supposed to take more snaps Under center if he doesn’t get to play?
RE: This is not Eli's fault  
Bramton1 : 9/15/2019 6:29 pm : link
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I could agree with that for the first game, but Eli easily sucked for the first half of the game. Then in the second half, he wasn't anything special.
What? Have the Eli apologists  
WillieYoung : 9/15/2019 6:29 pm : link
started watching the games or are they in hiding?
The Eli Pity is not about now  
Giantimistic : 9/15/2019 6:30 pm : link
It is about having his prime years wasted because of organizational failures and since it was finally recognized his current state is not a match for where the team is. Eli could still win like Peyton won with a team like Denver.
eventually will play...  
retiredmz : 9/15/2019 6:30 pm : link
probably when we are 1-5... he should start the home game vs Az.
I don't get the Eli pity  
Jim in NH : 9/15/2019 6:31 pm : link
Lots of fans of the National Feelings League here.
RE: I don't think Jones is ready. He took four snaps under center in four  
FStubbs : 9/15/2019 6:32 pm : link
In comment 14578225 Ira said:
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pre-season games and fumbled one of the snaps.


If Jones isn't ready to even start (not asking him to win, just start), as the #6 pick in the NFL draft, then that's on Shurmur for terrible player development, and Gettleman for blowing the #6 overall pick.
RE: Fat man in charlotte  
Hsilwek92 : 9/15/2019 6:34 pm : link
In comment 14578236 Ned In Atlanta said:
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Has gone into hiding. This guy absolutely blasted anyone who dared to question the logic of starring Eli. Now he’s nowhere to be found. Dep got banned but he was even worse


Yeah. I doubt FMiC has “gone into hiding”.
Makes no sense  
bc4life : 9/15/2019 6:35 pm : link
to bring Jones in before Shepard and Tate come back. Give him the best chance to succeed.

Eli played pretty well last week. This week - ahd some bad throws, not sure how having reserves playing wr hurt the ofense
RE: What? Have the Eli apologists  
montanagiant : 9/15/2019 6:36 pm : link
In comment 14578244 WillieYoung said:
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started watching the games or are they in hiding?

Says the guy who was nowhere to be found prior to Sept. 9th, 2019
montana  
bc4life : 9/15/2019 6:38 pm : link
he wasn't hiding, just a late arrival
RE: If I did put Jones in  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/15/2019 6:38 pm : link
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it'd be after Tate and Shepard come back.


This. Makes sense. And it will be easier to justify after the putrid defense loses a few more games.

Also Betcher needs to go. Playing DBs 10-15 yards off receivers. Yeah. We did that before. Got Tim Lewis canned. Same needs to be done w this clown
RE: RE: I don't think Jones is ready. He took four snaps under center in four  
AndyMilligan : 9/15/2019 6:40 pm : link
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pre-season games and fumbled one of the snaps.



If Jones isn't ready to even start (not asking him to win, just start), as the #6 pick in the NFL draft, then that's on Shurmur for terrible player development, and Gettleman for blowing the #6 overall pick.

could be. I think a QB taken that high needs to be ready by game 6.
RE: This is not Eli's fault  
RDJR : 9/15/2019 6:40 pm : link
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So what if it’s not? What good does playing a 38 year old QB in the final year of his contract do for the long term future of this franchise?
I have a feeling SY’s  
mattnyg05 : 9/15/2019 6:41 pm : link
game review is going to have a lot of potential missed opportunities with Eli. I hate to say it because I was hoping he can shove it up the haters asses this year and have a great season with a great line, but he just might be done.

I understand we don’t have receivers but every single play Eli makes is a step slow, it’s why balls are getting batted down and why receivers have zero room to run once they catch the ball (also the fact that they can’t get separation). It’s why he throws a screen a hair too fast under slight duress. He’s just not a great qb anymore and he isn’t giving you the best chance to win. Jones might be underrated because, lest we forget, his supporting cast in school was nowhere near what he’ll have in the pros. Idk when it’s going to happen, but the clock is certainly ticking on Eli and soon.

And Eli is not the reason we lost, but he’s one of many.
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Breaker : 9/15/2019 6:41 pm : link
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The team needs better play than “not their fault” play.

It would be nice to see some “gave us a chance” play

Or some “hopeful for the future” play.



In a nutshell Yes! Thats the point. If Jones is ready and a big if-I'm all in at this point. axuuracy and ability to throw on run are two biggest reasons. I think they will move sooner than most people think and actually believe Shurmur wants him in now.
Elis only problem is, he's old. He makes  
Danny Dimes : 9/15/2019 6:43 pm : link
Plays a second to late which 1second could be the difference of a sack/fumble/int. He been trying so hard showing his wherls but everyone knows your 40x drops a lot with age. Elis best 40x dash isnt close to mine. Im more athletic then Eli in his prime
I have been advocating moving on from Eli for awhile now  
jcn56 : 9/15/2019 6:44 pm : link
it's possible to feel that way and still feel some pity for Eli. He was a great Giant. Imperfect, but led the team to two Super Bowls and had great longevity.

He hasn't been good for a few years now. It's not entirely on him, the team definitely had roster problems. He also wasn't good enough anymore to elevate the Giants to overcome some of those limitations, as he had in the past.

I would much rather have seen him go off with a winning campaign, with one last shot at performing up to his old level. At the end of the day, I think the Giants dysfunction and changes to the game have made him obsolete, and it's tough seeing him go out like this, regardless of what he's being paid.
If we continue to lose  
Bluesbreaker : 9/15/2019 6:44 pm : link
I would say Arizona is the game that I would make the change
I am not gonna throw him out there against the Vikings thats
for sure can we beat the Skins and the Bucks
if were 2-4 1-5 then Cardinals is the ideal spot 0-6 is
a no brainer
So at least they would have Tate Shepard and Slayton back
healthy .
We're 0-2  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/15/2019 6:44 pm : link
season is toast. Time to see what the rook has.

As someone mentioned, lets wait until SS or Tate comeback. Neither are stud alpha receivers, but they do bring a lot to the table as slot/possession/route running guys to Shermur's dink and dunk offense.
Bettcher did not coach  
bc4life : 9/15/2019 6:45 pm : link
well in Zona, then forget on the way to New Jersey. His personnel are much younger and inexprerienced. A few of those vets were Pro Bowl caliber players. The defense will get better. Thinking (and hoping) Skipper can add a bit to the pass rush. And if Beal comes back and can stay healthy for a while - we'll see what we have there
He’s Bruce Willis in the Sixth Sense  
cjac : 9/15/2019 6:45 pm : link
He doesn’t realize he’s dead

Time to move on


I can't imagine being so enamored with a football player as an adult  
BestFeature : 9/15/2019 6:49 pm : link
That you would defend him at every chance you get, even when he's clearly not that good anymore. Some people act like kids when it comes to Eli. It's never his fucking fault because I can't have bad people saying naughty things about him.
RE: We're 0-2  
Danny Dimes : 9/15/2019 6:50 pm : link
In comment 14578294 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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season is toast. Time to see what the rook has.

As someone mentioned, lets wait until SS or Tate comeback. Neither are stud alpha receivers, but they do bring a lot to the table as slot/possession/route running guys to Shermur's dink and dunk offense.


0-2 doesn't necessarily mean season is toast. If they put me on the game vs Bills we would be 1-1, but its ojay because if they start me week 3 vs Buccs our winning streak begings. Dont be like Niners starting Garoplo with 0-9 season then Garoplo wins 6 str8. All that does is ruin you draft spot which they could of had Barkley
RE: He’s Bruce Willis in the Sixth Sense  
Hsilwek92 : 9/15/2019 6:53 pm : link
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He doesn’t realize he’s dead

Time to move on



Pretty good analogy.
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eli4life : 9/15/2019 6:55 pm : link
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you're delusional.


And your an abysmal shit troll. This is no way shape or form Eli’s fault. Defense can’t stop shit but yep that’s all on Eli. Top 3 receivers out yep that’s his fault too. Shitty play calling it’s got to be him. Do I think he still has it not likely. I do think the time has come to play DJ probably as someone else mentioned when tateand shepherd returns but to say this is all on Eli is ridiculous and trolling. Btw mr sept 2019 what other handles were you and banned with?
RE: The Eli Pity is not about now  
Junior22 : 9/15/2019 6:55 pm : link
In comment 14578248 Giantimistic said:
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It is about having his prime years wasted because of organizational failures and since it was finally recognized his current state is not a match for where the team is. Eli could still win like Peyton won with a team like Denver.


Delusional much
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Danny Dimes : 9/15/2019 6:55 pm : link
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He doesn’t realize he’s dead

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Pretty good analogy.

Can you read text from dead people?
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Danny Dimes : 9/15/2019 6:57 pm : link
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you're delusional.



And your an abysmal shit troll. This is no way shape or form Eli’s fault. Defense can’t stop shit but yep that’s all on Eli. Top 3 receivers out yep that’s his fault too. Shitty play calling it’s got to be him. Do I think he still has it not likely. I do think the time has come to play DJ probably as someone else mentioned when tateand shepherd returns but to say this is all on Eli is ridiculous and trolling. Btw mr sept 2019 what other handles were you and banned with?
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What was Elis QBR this game after 2 ints? Now what was my QBR in preseason after 0 ints?
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Junior22 : 9/15/2019 6:57 pm : link
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you're delusional.



And your an abysmal shit troll. This is no way shape or form Eli’s fault. Defense can’t stop shit but yep that’s all on Eli. Top 3 receivers out yep that’s his fault too. Shitty play calling it’s got to be him. Do I think he still has it not likely. I do think the time has come to play DJ probably as someone else mentioned when tateand shepherd returns but to say this is all on Eli is ridiculous and trolling. Btw mr sept 2019 what other handles were you and banned with?


So according to you it's never on Eli. Before it was oline and bad routes tip balls coaching and gm now oline better and it's the receivers and coaching. I am sure all QBs in football would love you as a fan
How bad does he have to play  
markky : 9/15/2019 7:01 pm : link
Before it’s Eli’s fault?

This team isn't winning  
justafan : 9/15/2019 7:03 pm : link
another Super Bowl with Eli under center. It's probably not making the playoffs with Eli under center. What are we waiting for?

If the Giants lose next week, start DJ against Washington. Heck, I'm okay if they move to DJ in Tampa.
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Danny Dimes : 9/15/2019 7:05 pm : link
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Before it’s Eli’s fault?
he lead the league 4x with ints, its never his fault. I was trained by same coach and that coach even told me only reason Eli in NFL is his name.
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eli4life : 9/15/2019 7:05 pm : link
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you're delusional.



And your an abysmal shit troll. This is no way shape or form Eli’s fault. Defense can’t stop shit but yep that’s all on Eli. Top 3 receivers out yep that’s his fault too. Shitty play calling it’s got to be him. Do I think he still has it not likely. I do think the time has come to play DJ probably as someone else mentioned when tateand shepherd returns but to say this is all on Eli is ridiculous and trolling. Btw mr sept 2019 what other handles were you and banned with?



So according to you it's never on Eli. Before it was oline and bad routes tip balls coaching and gm now oline better and it's the receivers and coaching. I am sure all QBs in football would love you as a fan


Did I ever say he’s never at fault or he’s the savior or any of that? But to say this joke of team that’s trotted out there is just because Eli is the qb is just wrong.
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Les in TO : 9/15/2019 7:06 pm : link
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you’re right. It is Reese Ross Coughlin McAdoo Odell randle Flowers Pugh weather etc etc
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AndyMilligan : 9/15/2019 7:08 pm : link
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you're delusional.



And your an abysmal shit troll. This is no way shape or form Eli’s fault. Defense can’t stop shit but yep that’s all on Eli. Top 3 receivers out yep that’s his fault too. Shitty play calling it’s got to be him. Do I think he still has it not likely. I do think the time has come to play DJ probably as someone else mentioned when tateand shepherd returns but to say this is all on Eli is ridiculous and trolling. Btw mr sept 2019 what other handles were you and banned with?

you lose your mind and curse and I'm the troll. Nice one..
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AndyMilligan : 9/15/2019 7:09 pm : link
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you're delusional.



And your an abysmal shit troll. This is no way shape or form Eli’s fault. Defense can’t stop shit but yep that’s all on Eli. Top 3 receivers out yep that’s his fault too. Shitty play calling it’s got to be him. Do I think he still has it not likely. I do think the time has come to play DJ probably as someone else mentioned when tateand shepherd returns but to say this is all on Eli is ridiculous and trolling. Btw mr sept 2019 what other handles were you and banned with?



So according to you it's never on Eli. Before it was oline and bad routes tip balls coaching and gm now oline better and it's the receivers and coaching. I am sure all QBs in football would love you as a fan



Did I ever say he’s never at fault or he’s the savior or any of that? But to say this joke of team that’s trotted out there is just because Eli is the qb is just wrong.

you are replying to a comment that claimed Eli had no fault. So you agree with me, yet you are screaming at me...
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Jerry from Maine : 9/15/2019 7:18 pm : link
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Eli was the least of the Giants' problems  
PaulBlakeTSU : 9/15/2019 7:20 pm : link
Saquan was the star today-- no denying. He is incredible.

The next thing to be ecstatic about is that the offensive line was mediocre. It wasn't good by any stretch. It wasn't pushing to the second level on runs, pancaking defenders or the sort. At times, there was an okay pocket against minimal rushers. But like many olines in the league, it gave up pressures. Our OL also did a terrible job engaging the DL and not allowing them to get free hands up to block down passes.

The Giants offensive line then had to rely on a questionable Latimer, Benny Fowler, TJ Davis, and Something Gore to catch passes. Early in the game, they dropped easy passes. At no point in the game did it seem like they were beating their men for good separation.

On top of that, Shurmur is a conservative coach-- he's the type of guy that kicks extra points after scoring a TD to cut a 14 point lead to 8 in the 4th quarter.

Are there QBs who can do more with nothing around him than Eli has been able to do over the last several years? Of course. So give Daniel Jones a shot. I've wanted the Giants to part with Eli for years for everyone's sake. But this team is hot garbage.

Going back 8/9 years, you could probably count on one hand the number of games Eli had above-average offensive line play with a choice collection of big target, pass-catching weapons.

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eli4life : 9/15/2019 7:21 pm : link
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you're delusional.



And your an abysmal shit troll. This is no way shape or form Eli’s fault. Defense can’t stop shit but yep that’s all on Eli. Top 3 receivers out yep that’s his fault too. Shitty play calling it’s got to be him. Do I think he still has it not likely. I do think the time has come to play DJ probably as someone else mentioned when tateand shepherd returns but to say this is all on Eli is ridiculous and trolling. Btw mr sept 2019 what other handles were you and banned with?



So according to you it's never on Eli. Before it was oline and bad routes tip balls coaching and gm now oline better and it's the receivers and coaching. I am sure all QBs in football would love you as a fan



Did I ever say he’s never at fault or he’s the savior or any of that? But to say this joke of team that’s trotted out there is just because Eli is the qb is just wrong.


you are replying to a comment that claimed Eli had no fault. So you agree with me, yet you are screaming at me...


No you claimed this mess is because Eli is the qb which is ridiculous the only thing I’d agree with is he no longer is the answer but honestly who can win with this team? Easy answer nobody. If the defense wasn’t utterly abysmal I think Eli could win us some games
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AndyMilligan : 9/15/2019 7:23 pm : link
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you're delusional.



And your an abysmal shit troll. This is no way shape or form Eli’s fault. Defense can’t stop shit but yep that’s all on Eli. Top 3 receivers out yep that’s his fault too. Shitty play calling it’s got to be him. Do I think he still has it not likely. I do think the time has come to play DJ probably as someone else mentioned when tateand shepherd returns but to say this is all on Eli is ridiculous and trolling. Btw mr sept 2019 what other handles were you and banned with?



So according to you it's never on Eli. Before it was oline and bad routes tip balls coaching and gm now oline better and it's the receivers and coaching. I am sure all QBs in football would love you as a fan



Did I ever say he’s never at fault or he’s the savior or any of that? But to say this joke of team that’s trotted out there is just because Eli is the qb is just wrong.


you are replying to a comment that claimed Eli had no fault. So you agree with me, yet you are screaming at me...



No you claimed this mess is because Eli is the qb which is ridiculous the only thing I’d agree with is he no longer is the answer but honestly who can win with this team? Easy answer nobody. If the defense wasn’t utterly abysmal I think Eli could win us some games

micky said: this is not Eli's fault
I said he was delusional
you said I was a filthy troll or something, then you said eli has some blame
so you agree with me, not the guy who said it is not Eli;s fault.

I never said it was all Eli's fault.
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