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Eli is all but guaranteed to have a losing record now

ron mexico : 9/15/2019 8:25 pm
He is exactly at 500 now. I can’t think of any plausible way he goes 500 or better before the transition.

If he plays the rest of the year, no way this team is going 7-7 or better.

If jones comes in before the end of the season, it will mean they have gone below 500 from here.

Well this is all on John Mara  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 9/15/2019 8:26 pm : link
and it's also on John Mara when the fan base completely turns on his golden boy because Mara is too loyal to take him out when it was his time. Mara, Mara, Mara.
That’s about right  
Les in TO : 9/15/2019 8:28 pm : link
The Eli fanboys will blame everyone and anything but Eli. But on his total record he was an average QB. The first seven years he was above average the last eight at or below average.
RE: Well this is all on John Mara  
crick n NC : 9/15/2019 8:32 pm : link
In comment 14578600 Bold Ruler said:
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and it's also on John Mara when the fan base completely turns on his golden boy because Mara is too loyal to take him out when it was his time. Mara, Mara, Mara.


If this is the case that Mara has made it so Manning is keeping his job no matter what, shouldn't the fans turn on Mara? Is Eli supposed to just give up the job?

Seems like frustration targeted at the wrong individual. At the same time, are the fans somewhat responsible for how they acted during the geno smith debacle that supposedly has caused Mara to be stubborn in regards to manning?
Eli doesn't seem to care about his lifetime win/loss record  
Reese's Pieces : 9/15/2019 8:34 pm : link
or any of his other career stats. He may not care whether he makes the Hall of Fame. If the Giants lost 14 games this season, Eli would still probably want to return next year.

I guess he just loves to play the game.
RE: That’s about right  
gmenatlarge : 9/15/2019 8:36 pm : link
In comment 14578607 Les in TO said:
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The Eli fanboys will blame everyone and anything but Eli. But on his total record he was an average QB. The first seven years he was above average the last eight at or below average.


“Eli fanboys” ? Like it’s a crime to be a fan of your own QB...sad
I bet Eli is asking  
Bill in UT : 9/15/2019 8:36 pm : link
Shurmur to bench him so a losing record doesn't sink him in a HOF vote
RE: I bet Eli is asking  
crick n NC : 9/15/2019 8:37 pm : link
In comment 14578629 Bill in UT said:
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Shurmur to bench him so a losing record doesn't sink him in a HOF vote


Seems to be totally against his character, but carry on.
RE: RE: Well this is all on John Mara  
ron mexico : 9/15/2019 8:39 pm : link
In comment 14578618 crick n NC said:
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and it's also on John Mara when the fan base completely turns on his golden boy because Mara is too loyal to take him out when it was his time. Mara, Mara, Mara.



If this is the case that Mara has made it so Manning is keeping his job no matter what, shouldn't the fans turn on Mara? Is Eli supposed to just give up the job?

Seems like frustration targeted at the wrong individual. At the same time, are the fans somewhat responsible for how they acted during the geno smith debacle that supposedly has caused Mara to be stubborn in regards to manning?


A few of us were calling bullshit on Mara’s it’s the coaches decision spiel , but got shouted down.

You are right, Eli can’t bench himself, he is not doing anything wrong. He is just done being a difference maker at QB.
RE: RE: That’s about right  
Bill L : 9/15/2019 8:40 pm : link
In comment 14578628 gmenatlarge said:
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The Eli fanboys will blame everyone and anything but Eli. But on his total record he was an average QB. The first seven years he was above average the last eight at or below average.



“Eli fanboys” ? Like it’s a crime to be a fan of your own QB...sad

Keep him talking. When the sunlight hits, he turns to stone.
RE: RE: That’s about right  
PatersonPlank : 9/15/2019 8:41 pm : link
In comment 14578628 gmenatlarge said:
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The Eli fanboys will blame everyone and anything but Eli. But on his total record he was an average QB. The first seven years he was above average the last eight at or below average.



“Eli fanboys” ? Like it’s a crime to be a fan of your own QB...sad


Every thread all this Les guy does is bash Eli. Its like Eli hit on his wife. Its a disorder at this point
Why Do We Care if Eli Has a Losing Record?  
Bernie : 9/15/2019 8:42 pm : link
He won 2 Super Bowls and made a ton of money. I'm more bothered that his losing record means we've endured one losing season after the other supporting this team.
RE: RE: RE: Well this is all on John Mara  
crick n NC : 9/15/2019 8:43 pm : link
In comment 14578636 ron mexico said:
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and it's also on John Mara when the fan base completely turns on his golden boy because Mara is too loyal to take him out when it was his time. Mara, Mara, Mara.



If this is the case that Mara has made it so Manning is keeping his job no matter what, shouldn't the fans turn on Mara? Is Eli supposed to just give up the job?

Seems like frustration targeted at the wrong individual. At the same time, are the fans somewhat responsible for how they acted during the geno smith debacle that supposedly has caused Mara to be stubborn in regards to manning?



A few of us were calling bullshit on Mara’s it’s the coaches decision spiel , but got shouted down.

You are right, Eli can’t bench himself, he is not doing anything wrong. He is just done being a difference maker at QB.


Ron, I don't remember much about those conversations. I will say it's really difficult to prove Mara's intentions . It seems the conversation should go fine as long as neither side is pushing their opinions as facts. Neither side is unreasonable in my view.
I’m not frustrated or angry at Eli  
ron mexico : 9/15/2019 8:43 pm : link
He is doing everything he can.

It’s not his job to think of the future of the franchise.
This shouldn't matter  
Matt in SGS : 9/15/2019 8:49 pm : link
all that matters is getting ready for 2020 and seeing if Jones actually is the answer. As we are all seeing, pre-season doesn't mean jack shit. The speed and aggressiveness in the regular season is so much faster than the pre-season, not to mention the game planning, that we need to know what Jones can do and if he really is the answer.

Eli's only chance to play was dependent on wins. Period. Right now the Giants are clearly behind Dallas and Philly in the NFC East. And in 2 weeks we'll see where they stack up against the Redskins

Even if Eli was playing well and the Giants were losing because of bad defense, they have to consider sitting him for the good of the future of this team. But Eli is playing pretty much as he's played the past few years. He looks good on an early drive. Doesn't do anything for long stretches, where the offense bogs down either because of him or something else. The team falls behind. Eli gets a late drive in and around garbage time and they lose.

I'm just disgusted that we sit here, 2 weeks into the season, and the "here we go again" shit is here. I fully expect to lose in Tampa next week. Give me something to look forward to. Let Jones play, let him make mistakes and let's see by November and December that he's playing well, and maybe picking off a team like Dallas or Philly late in the year.

Honestly, if Shurmur wants to save his own ass, you get Jones in the games. Ownership is going to look the other way and explain away losses if you are getting the kid experience.

At this point, I'm black and white with Eli. If they don't win next week and go to 0-3, it's time hand the team over to Jones.
RE: That’s about right  
Nine-Tails : 9/15/2019 8:53 pm : link
In comment 14578607 Les in TO said:
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The Eli fanboys will blame everyone and anything but Eli. But on his total record he was an average QB. The first seven years he was above average the last eight at or below average.


Even though I really want to move one, this sting because its true
RE: RE: That’s about right  
Les in TO : 9/15/2019 8:57 pm : link
In comment 14578628 gmenatlarge said:
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The Eli fanboys will blame everyone and anything but Eli. But on his total record he was an average QB. The first seven years he was above average the last eight at or below average.



“Eli fanboys” ? Like it’s a crime to be a fan of your own QB...sad
Eli fanboys are a distinct, extremist subset of Eli fans who verbally assault anyone who suggests Eli’s play is part of the problem. Nothing wrong with being an Eli fan. But when people constantly berate and swear at people who feel differently that makes them fanboys
^^^^^^^This!  
Bill L : 9/15/2019 8:59 pm : link
is an example of distorted reality by the disingenuous among us.
I implore the moderators..  
bw in dc : 9/15/2019 9:03 pm : link
to release dep from captive and let him defend Eli's honor!

;)
RE: Well this is all on John Mara  
markky : 9/15/2019 9:09 pm : link
In comment 14578600 Bold Ruler said:
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and it's also on John Mara when the fan base completely turns on his golden boy because Mara is too loyal to take him out when it was his time. Mara, Mara, Mara.


This is so true. Manning will not be going out a hero. It's a shame.
Nobody cares  
gmenatlarge : 9/15/2019 9:10 pm : link
About Eli’s win/loss at this point, it’s time for the NY giants to make a move for the future of the franchise. You have to play Jones to see what you have as they will be drafting top two and will have another QB decision.
We are becoming the laughingstock  
greek13 : 9/15/2019 9:25 pm : link
Of the nfl - a terrible team with a broken down QB chasing windmills as fans. The league - opposing teams - Vegas - the media - are dumbfounded by our idiocy - the record of the last few years doesn’t lie -

We are one injury to one player away from being absolutely hopeless - send help now please
Not if they do the right thing and bench  
Rflairr : 9/15/2019 9:33 pm : link
him
RE: Eli doesn't seem to care about his lifetime win/loss record  
RDJR : 9/15/2019 9:41 pm : link
In comment 14578623 Reese's Pieces said:
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or any of his other career stats. He may not care whether he makes the Hall of Fame. If the Giants lost 14 games this season, Eli would still probably want to return next year.

I guess he just loves to play the game.


You know this how?
He can have a winning record  
WillVAB : 9/15/2019 9:44 pm : link
Playing for a team that actually has talent.

Jones is supposed to be the future so Gettleman might as well start fielding trade offers.

Eli is a big boy  
Oscar : 9/15/2019 9:47 pm : link
He’s made a lot of money. If he’s sub-.500 so be it. Truthfully he’s been a bad player for a number of years now and is as responsible for the record as anyone. Great quarterbacks elevate the team. Eli had seasons where he was able to elevate the Giants but it’s been a long time since those days.

He’s had a good career, two unforgettable playoff runs, a good stretch of competitive football. He’s not an all time great or anything, he’s not a sure Hall of Famer.

Love the guy but the record speaks for itself.
Why does it matter, at all, if Eli has a winning record  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2019 9:47 pm : link
isn't the only thing that is important is whether the Giants do?
He should've got out sooner  
micky : 9/15/2019 9:56 pm : link
But obviously losing record isn't as important to him as to finishing out a ny giant. Admire that..but was it smart if wanting to get hof selection?
i really don't understand  
japanhead : 9/15/2019 9:59 pm : link
why eli didn't just retire at the end of last year. it really would've been best for all parties. i guess that extra 25 million will take the edge off of having a career losing record.
RE: RE: That’s about right  
Dutch77 : 9/15/2019 10:08 pm : link
In comment 14578628 gmenatlarge said:
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The Eli fanboys will blame everyone and anything but Eli. But on his total record he was an average QB. The first seven years he was above average the last eight at or below average.



“Eli fanboys” ? Like it’s a crime to be a fan of your own QB...sad

It is when you're more of a fan of the player and not the team.
RE: RE: RE: Well this is all on John Mara  
Dutch77 : 9/15/2019 10:11 pm : link
In comment 14578636 ron mexico said:
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and it's also on John Mara when the fan base completely turns on his golden boy because Mara is too loyal to take him out when it was his time. Mara, Mara, Mara.



If this is the case that Mara has made it so Manning is keeping his job no matter what, shouldn't the fans turn on Mara? Is Eli supposed to just give up the job?

Seems like frustration targeted at the wrong individual. At the same time, are the fans somewhat responsible for how they acted during the geno smith debacle that supposedly has caused Mara to be stubborn in regards to manning?



A few of us were calling bullshit on Mara’s it’s the coaches decision spiel , but got shouted down.

You are right, Eli can’t bench himself, he is not doing anything wrong. He is just done being a difference maker at QB.

He may not be doing anything wrong but what the hell is he doing right? 65% completion when it doesn't matter, 1 TD per game?
You are what your record says you are  
Vanzetti : 9/15/2019 10:52 pm : link
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Nice career  
Mark from Jersey : 9/15/2019 11:00 pm : link
two rings...cannot complain.

But time to move on. DJ needs the EXP and we are going no where fast with ol' Eli.
RE: RE: That’s about right  
montanagiant : 9/15/2019 11:12 pm : link
In comment 14578628 gmenatlarge said:
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In comment 14578607 Les in TO said:


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The Eli fanboys will blame everyone and anything but Eli. But on his total record he was an average QB. The first seven years he was above average the last eight at or below average.



“Eli fanboys” ? Like it’s a crime to be a fan of your own QB...sad

LOL...It really is an ignorant fucked up way to root for your team. But Les has always been an idiotic fan
RE: He can have a winning record  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/15/2019 11:15 pm : link
In comment 14578875 WillVAB said:
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Playing for a team that actually has talent.

Jones is supposed to be the future so Gettleman might as well start fielding trade offers.


Eli has no trade value.
Never cared about Eli s consecutive game streak  
joeinpa : 9/16/2019 8:45 am : link
Don’t care about his personal win los record , other than he gave them the best chance to win, and his won lost record is a team stat.

Eli is a. 500 quarterback and no matter how you spin it , he deserves much of the responsibility
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