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Eagles and Cowboys rosters compared to the Giants

nyjuggernaut2 : 9/15/2019 8:54 pm
these two teams are loaded with talent. Comparing the rosters makes me realize the gap talent wise between the Giants and these two division rivals. Depressing...

(Top players at each position)

EAGLES TOP OL: Peters, Kelce, Johnson, Brooks
COWBOYS TOP OL: Smith, Martin, Fredericks, Collins
GIANTS OL: Zeitler, Hernandez, Solder, Halapio

EAGLES TOP DL/LB: Cox, Graham, Barnett, Curry, Bradham
COWBOYS TOP DL/LB: Lawerence, Crawford, Charlton, Smith, Vanden Esch
GIANTS TOP DL/LB: Hill, Lawerence, Carter, Ogletree, Golden

EAGLES TOP OFF SKILL PLAYERS: Wentz, Sanders, Sproles, Jeffrey, DJacskon, Ertz
COWBOYS TOP OFF SKILL PLAYERS: Prescott, Elliott, Cooper, Gallup, Cobb
GIANTS TOP OFF SKILL PLAYERS: Eli, Barkley, Engram, Shepard, Tate

EAGLES SECONDARY: Darby, McLeod, Jenkins, Cyprien, Jones
COWBOYS SECONDARY: Jones, Brown, Heath, Awuzie, Woods
GIANTS SECONDARY: Jenkins, Peppers, Bethea, Baker, Haley
Yup  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/15/2019 8:57 pm : link
this isn't going to change quickly. I alluded to this problem in my game preview this week.
In fairness to Gettleman,  
mikeinbloomfield : 9/15/2019 9:00 pm : link
He doesnít know what heís doing.
RE: Yup  
nyjuggernaut2 : 9/15/2019 9:03 pm : link
In comment 14578693 Eric from BBI said:
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this isn't going to change quickly. I alluded to this problem in my game preview this week.


A lot of it comes down to drafting. Years of bad drafting has really set this franchise back. I know people are hyped up about the cap space this team has next offseason, but until they start drafting better this wonít get fixed anytime soon.
You forgot to add the Washington Redskins  
prdave73 : 9/15/2019 9:03 pm : link
Lineup?? They are becoming pretty stacked themselves! That leaves this Giants team really looking horrible in comparison.. My goodness.. Really makes you think, how bad is the Giants Organization?? How bad is their drafting been?! So sad..
RE: You forgot to add the Washington Redskins  
nyjuggernaut2 : 9/15/2019 9:09 pm : link
In comment 14578713 prdave73 said:
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Lineup?? They are becoming pretty stacked themselves! That leaves this Giants team really looking horrible in comparison.. My goodness.. Really makes you think, how bad is the Giants Organization?? How bad is their drafting been?! So sad..


I donít view the Skins as a contending NFC team right now. Only compared the Giants with Dallas and Philly since both are considered SB contenders in the conference.
...  
christian : 9/15/2019 9:14 pm : link
Very few teams have many, if any players 7-10 years ago.

Blaming the state of the team today on decisions Reese made a lifetime ago doesn't make sense to me.

This Giants team is chalk full of early round picks and players Gettleman acquired through trades.

The Giants aren't compromised of a bunch rag tag UFAs like last year. These are players Gettleman spent considerable resources to get.
We are miles behind those 2 teams  
The_Boss : 9/15/2019 9:22 pm : link
The question to ask is if this regime is competent enough to get us to that level? Theyíre both well run by GMís who, to be honest, are superior in every way to Gettleman..they draft well (especially Dallas)...have good to great young QBís...and embrace analytics. I donít see us getting close to those 2 anytime soon. No fíing way with this regime.
The only  
Jon in NYC : 9/15/2019 9:32 pm : link
difference is the Giants have 1st and 2nd year guys and the other two teams have guys in their prime. Elliott, Cooper, Lawrence, Ertz, Johnson, Cox. All 26-28.

This shit takes time. I'll worry about the talent gap if it turns out Baker, Big Dex, Carter, Hernandez, etc. all suck.
If Gettleman had not insanely "traded" Snacks for a 5th round pick  
Reese's Pieces : 9/15/2019 9:39 pm : link
last year, we would have been covered at the run-stuffing DT position for three or four years and could have used a first to grab a pass rusher instead of a replacement at a position that didn't need replacing.
Reese's Pieces  
Marty866b : 9/15/2019 10:05 pm : link
But the locker room culture is better now that Snacks is gone. Doesn't that make you feel better? Gettleman actually has made a terrible team even worse and that takes some doing.
RE: If Gettleman had not insanely  
japanhead : 9/15/2019 10:07 pm : link
In comment 14578852 Reese's Pieces said:
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last year, we would have been covered at the run-stuffing DT position for three or four years and could have used a first to grab a pass rusher instead of a replacement at a position that didn't need replacing.


this strikes me as a fair point. snacks was having knee problems though, iirc. may've been dogging it. we don't know how bad things got with certain players.
Miles behind those teams  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2019 10:13 pm : link
miles...
RE: ...huh?  
greek13 : 9/15/2019 10:27 pm : link
In comment 14578750 christian said:
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Very few teams have many, if any players 7-10 years ago.

Blaming the state of the team today on decisions Reese made a lifetime ago doesn't make sense to me.

This Giants team is chalk full of early round picks and players Gettleman acquired through trades.

The Giants aren't compromised of a bunch rag tag UFAs like last year. These are players Gettleman spent considerable resources to get.





Huh ? JR was fired 18 months ago!
Coaching  
Dragon : 9/15/2019 10:50 pm : link
Itís a lost art on this team but I would first compare this roster to NFL practice squads presently.
RE: In fairness to Gettleman,  
Vanzetti : 9/16/2019 4:05 am : link
In comment 14578703 mikeinbloomfield said:
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He doesnít know what heís doing.


lol
There is no comparison  
Rick in Dallas : 9/16/2019 5:46 am : link
We have a long way to go to even get close to those lineups
RE: There is no comparison  
Gettledogman : 9/16/2019 9:02 am : link
In comment 14579275 Rick in Dallas said:
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We have a long way to go to even get close to those lineups


A couple of more drafts like the last 2 and we are right there. chill. The team had no talent depth what so ever. 2014-16 zero players
Getting Jerruh out of the drafting decisions  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 9/16/2019 9:15 am : link
has been the #1 driver of the Cowboys' success. Stephen Jones has been a slam dunk, cutting ties before a player craters and hiring guys like Marinelli.

RE: ...  
Dr. D : 9/16/2019 10:47 am : link
In comment 14578750 christian said:
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Very few teams have many, if any players 7-10 years ago.

Blaming the state of the team today on decisions Reese made a lifetime ago doesn't make sense to me.

This Giants team is chalk full of early round picks and players Gettleman acquired through trades.

The Giants aren't compromised of a bunch rag tag UFAs like last year. These are players Gettleman spent considerable resources to get.

I think it's reasonable to blame Reese for very bad drafts 3, 4 and 5 years ago, which have a HUGE impact on our current roster.

The eagles and cowpies have multiple important players from those drafts. We don't. (at least we got something for OBJ)
What sucks the most is Jerruh had a son that lives, eat, breathes  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/16/2019 10:51 am : link
football and we have another Mara with a silver spoon permanently up his ass that likes to play pretend in between playing with horsies.
The D front 7  
Carl in CT : 9/16/2019 11:58 am : link
Is the biggest weakness and some others will say QB. It doesnít help when our two best receivers are not playing.
Eagles and Cowboys  
figgy2989 : 9/16/2019 12:02 pm : link
Are also not sitting on a ton of dead cap money. With all those contracts off the books next year, hopefully this team will invest in the right players.
RE: RE: ...huh?  
Paulie Walnuts : 9/16/2019 9:06 pm : link
In comment 14579012 greek13 said:
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In comment 14578750 christian said:


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Very few teams have many, if any players 7-10 years ago.

Blaming the state of the team today on decisions Reese made a lifetime ago doesn't make sense to me.

This Giants team is chalk full of early round picks and players Gettleman acquired through trades.

The Giants aren't compromised of a bunch rag tag UFAs like last year. These are players Gettleman spent considerable resources to get.






Huh ? JR was fired 18 months ago!
reese and ross are clowns set this team back 10 years
During  
crick n NC : 9/16/2019 9:49 pm : link
The Giants cowboys game, fox compared the 2016 draft between the two teams




RE: During  
Gettledogman : 9/17/2019 8:19 am : link
In comment 14581559 crick n NC said:
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The Giants cowboys game, fox compared the 2016 draft between the two teams






This is vomit inducing
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