First, some random Twitter statistics:
As you may have heard, Eli Manning is now 116-116 as a starting QB in his career. You may not know that since 2013 he is 38-59.
The Giants have the worst home winning percentage since 2017.
Since Super Bowl 46, the Giants have a record of 47-67.
The Giants have started the year 0-2 every year since 2013 except one.
The Giants are 3-7 in their last 10 home openers.
In the first half of the last two seasons, the giants have identical 1-7 records. They are well on their way to repeating that.
Giants are 5 for 24 on 3rd down through two games this season.
Bills Safety Micah Hyde said the Bills game plan was just to “force them [the Giants] to throw.
With all of this in mind, here is the sounding board. I have one simple question: what is wrong? Be specific. No holds barred.
I am tired. Tired of opposing fans celebrating in our home stadium. Tired of games being over by halftime. Tired of seasons being over before Halloween.
The primary culprit, in my opinion.
Wait until the 2020 season. You'll see this year which younger players look real good by end of season. Don't get so wrapped up in proclamations in "Week 2."
What's wrong after week 2 is that they are young overall.
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And that has led to hiring of old man Gettleman, who subsequently hired Pat Shurmur.
These are the answers to a lot of the questions here...
Otherwise I don’t know, it’s very possible that this coaching staff won’t be for long and they’ll have to make a better decision. Another loss and this season is over already and it pretty much feels hopeless yet again. Everyone’s reaction is to just fire and release everyone but who are the replacements..we just did that without any better results so far.
This is brutal. But at least I expected this today. After watching last week it was clear to me that we were still stuck in the suck vacuum and showed no signs of getting out of the suck.
This is awful.
My concern is that the more I think about it, the more this falls directly at the feet of ownership. A complete and total refusal to be decisive, take risks, or move forward.
What we have no fucking talent. That’s what’s perfectly clear. We traded and cut bait on all the talent that we even had besides Saquon. I would blame coaching if we had an ounce of talent but we don’t.
Incompetent ownership, incompetent front office, incompetent coaching staff.
That's what's wrong.
Otherwise I don’t know, it’s very possible that this coaching staff won’t be for long and they’ll have to make a better decision. Another loss and this season is over already and it pretty much feels hopeless yet again. Everyone’s reaction is to just fire and release everyone but who are the replacements..we just did that without any better results so far.
Incompetent ownership, incompetent front office, incompetent coaching staff.
That's what's wrong.
There he is! Welcome back dude.
They had some talent there - the team needed to improve it's drafting, but they should have built on what they had.
Instead, someone decided to blow the whole thing up. Fine - but they got little in return for what talent they did have, and they haven't invested that particularly well. FA has been a bust, the draft hasn't returned much beyond Saquon. They now have a coaching staff that's inept and a front office that isn't much better trying to build something from scratch, and the results show how far out of their depth they are.
ODell was controversial but I think there’s a lot more to his injury situation and missing the last 4 games last year then what the fans know.
Eli is also cooked. Really not sure what he's bringing to the table that DJ can't, but when opposing teams are scheming to make sure the ball's in Eli's hands, we're pretty fucked.
Eli is also cooked. Really not sure what he's bringing to the table that DJ can't, but when opposing teams are scheming to make sure the ball's in Eli's hands, we're pretty fucked.
Yeah. We all knew teams were going to focus on stopping Barkley but Eli isn’t making them pay at all. I know, WR injuries yada yada
My concern is that the more I think about it, the more this falls directly at the feet of ownership. A complete and total refusal to be decisive, take risks, or move forward.
no doubt mara has made chickenshit decisions since the last superbowl. he wanted to believe he still had a winner, he wanted to believe in eli. i understand it, it's hard to get rid of the people who won you the second superbowl, it was clear after that horrifying 2013 season there was a talent deficiency, but mara is not one to fire a GM after six years, esp one who has two SB wins on the resume. he was in a tough spot. you can fault him for being overly loyal to eli, and i can't even blame him there.
Eli is also cooked. Really not sure what he's bringing to the table that DJ can't, but when opposing teams are scheming to make sure the ball's in Eli's hands, we're pretty fucked.
It wasn’t just about putting it in Eli’s hands. The fact is we traded our superstar WR in the offseason and did not get any WR back in the assets acquired in that trade. Then our big FA signing at WR got himself suspended for the first 4 games of the season. Then our other WR1 gets injured and doesn’t play today. We had all scrubs out there at WR, and people wonder why Eli can’t find anyone open. How could people have expected us to win this game with these scrub receivers, especially when playing from behind most the game and the defense knowing we need to throw?
They never could run the correct routes since that last super bowl.
This “rebuild” should not have started with a running back, regardless of “generational” talent. It was a luxury the giants could not afford at the time. It should have started with a quarterback or a trade back to draft Nelson and acquire multiple first round picks to rebuild with multiple assets. Now, when they have a qb who may or may not be good, they sit him on the bench. It just seems the organization can not get out of its way. And that is largely because of refusal to step outside of their comfort zone.
They never could run the correct routes since that last super bowl.
Rigggggght. The receivers. That’s it.
But before, wasn’t it the line?
Before that the running game?
Think we needed a new head coach somewhere in there.
Or two?
But yeah, it’s definitely the receivers.
They never could run the correct routes since that last super bowl.
I'm not saying it's always been the receivers. I'm absolutely in agreement with the belief that a big reason for our ineptitude the past 5+ years has been the fact that Eli Manning has been one of the highest paid QBs in the NFL and yet has been average at best. I'm just saying that TODAY, regardless of anything else, there was no way the Giants were winning with that WR squad out there. T.J. Jones didn't even make the 53-man roster and he had 3 receptions today. Cody Core was cut by the freakin' Bengals in spite of A.J. Green being out the first few games of the season, has been on the roster for 15 days and he had 3 catches today. The Bills defense is ferocious and there's no way some guys of the street can just suit up and go out and score 30+ points (which was what was needed to win the game).
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the receivers are the problem.
They never could run the correct routes since that last super bowl.
I'm not saying it's always been the receivers. I'm absolutely in agreement with the belief that a big reason for our ineptitude the past 5+ years has been the fact that Eli Manning has been one of the highest paid QBs in the NFL and yet has been average at best. I'm just saying that TODAY, regardless of anything else, there was no way the Giants were winning with that WR squad out there. T.J. Jones didn't even make the 53-man roster and he had 3 receptions today. Cody Core was cut by the freakin' Bengals in spite of A.J. Green being out the first few games of the season, has been on the roster for 15 days and he had 3 catches today. The Bills defense is ferocious and there's no way some guys of the street can just suit up and go out and score 30+ points (which was what was needed to win the game).
A second yr qb won with John brown, zay Jones, cole Beasley and Dawson Knox. We had Latimer Fowler Jones Rhett, engram. you want to say against our D versus their D fine, but that kid made plays that would have worked against any D.
Can we PPPPPPPPPPLEASE stop with the excuses.
On O Eli is not good enough to raise the talent around him so he is part of the problem. the OL is doing their job and Eli is not pushing the ball downfield. SB is our building block and he has not been utilized correctly the 1st 2 games.
Shurmur has not adjusted his gameplan to the talent. He needs to put the ball into his play makers hand and we are not doing that.
Bettcher is lost. I have not seen such poor defense in a long time. For a guy that came with so much accolades im not seeing it. Maybe its just that the talent is so bad but this has been a terrible showing for him so far in his Giants career.
Ownership basically directing that Eli has to be the starter. Thats bad football management. recognize what you have and start the kid so we dont have as many growing pains next year. Ownership needs to let the guys they hire make the football decisions.