This team stunk last year. STUNK. They started winning against teams that had given up or had their backup QBs in. And they "snuck up" and played teams tough that were good teams because they came out flat against the lowly Giants. You really bought that bullshit DG was saying in the off-season?
Anyone who really expected a good competitive team this year was delusional.
Did you guys expect all these rookies to come in and play like pro bowlers right away? I didn't.
This team has no difference maker at WR and an old now shitty QB. We have a decent offensive line with a STUD RB but a TE who can't block. And the defense is all kids or overpaid vets. And mediocre at best coaches (this was VERY clear last year).
It's why I want Shurmur fired after last year. You knew he was shitty. Seriously how many games did he fuck up last year? And by keeping him, you were delaying the next rebuild that will happen as the new coach will want to bring in his guys for his system. Because make no mistake he will be fired after next year or the year after.
But this season has gone exactly as expected. None of what is happening is news or unexpected. This is a year where the kids get experience and we move on from Eli. We then hopefully spend our FA money wisely and have another good draft and can start competing next year.
Where did you expect to see this progress?
Barkley looks better. The O-line looks better.
But this team still stinks. There was A LOT of work to do to make this a competitive team.
We have done VERY little of this in the first two games. I don't love shurmur but I also think he is dealing with a situation where they are setting up for Jones but forced to play Eli. I think shumur badly wants Jones to be his guy but he can't. It def hinders how he calls plays. Once Jones gets in, I think you will see a different looking offense. Again coaches help but players play and you need the horses to win the race. Ultimately, belicheck needs Brady more than Brady needs BB
IMO they have some talent and building blocks, but the problem seems to be just as much coaching as anything.
I also expected the offense to revolve around Saquon more.
Because the season hasn't gone exactly as expected. I expected the defense to play lousy and for the team to lose a lot, but I thought during the year we would identify at least four or five quality defensive starters. Then next off-season, if we added three or four more quality defensive starters, we would be competitive.
You expect to put a winning defense now in only one more off season? Which current Giants defensive starters could start for the Cowboys or the Eagles?
Forget Eli - most understood that Eli's best football years are behind him.
What most people were hoping to see were some signs of life. Some form of football surrounded by growing pains of youth and inexperience.
Instead - we've been subjected to a team that looks outclassed at every level. They don't seem to have the physical tools. They never look prepared. The coaching staff always seems to be a step behind their opponent. Games haven't just been uncompetitive, they haven't been watchable.
Considering the current GM brought most of these ingredients together - from gutting the roster to hiring his own coaches - it's hard to believe that this team has much upside to it.
I saw a poster talk about LBs. Which LB do we have that is worth a damn? Ogletree??? He's overpaid and overrated, which was also VERY clear last year. Connelly is the best LB on the team.
Eric I agree about Barkley not being the centerpiece enough, but he should have been more last year too. This isn't a new issue. It's a Shurmur issue that was here last year too. How long did it take them last year to start having him run actual pass routes? 8 weeks? Once again, not new issues.
We also don't have Shep and Tate and Ziegs has a bum shoulder.
As long as the defense progresses throughout the season, we'll be fine.
Front office seems to not be in synch with what they want to do with talent on the field and how to beat other teams.
The coaching has been horrendous as even at the end when Coughlin was here there were problems with his discipline (ie Beckham) and getting some consistency in all three phases.
Ownership has shown itself to be clueless and ranging from meddling when it’s inappropriate (QB) to showing up too little too late (McAdoo, Beckham) when some adults in the room where needed.
Right now I don’t see much hope even for next year. They’d need an incredible draft and FA infusion and for Jones to be somewhat dynamic.
We also don't have Shep and Tate and Ziegs has a bum shoulder.
As long as the defense progresses throughout the season, we'll be fine.
Pass that over here because you’re smoking some good stuff....
It's been too many season of losing and I have zero confidence management but I still watch every game with hope I am wrong.
Then the second the Giants made it kinda close they went RIGHT down the field and scored a TD.
The defense did not get better as the game went on and did not get better from last week.
...ain't as bad as 1964 - 1980.
But the smell of rot is about the same.
We are so used to losing at this point that even though we are bottom-3 bad we are still arguing among ourselves which aspect of the team is the least incompetent.
Sure, some are rash fans who react irrationally to everything, but we've lousy for 6 out of 7 years and I think by now it's those who still toe the company line that need to snap out of it. As much as we ridicule the Dolphins, is it a foregone conclusion that we will turn things around first? Hell no.
They have a solid WRs and RBs. Their line is the issue, and the scary thing is half the pressure came from coverage. Baker had a God awful game, but I think the coverage looks much worse than it is because of the communication breakdowns.
Uh just flashed backed to Peppers getting absolutely manhandled on that td run.
Yep a lot of poster were making threads about their good feeling about this team, the culture, and the foundation DG set. Some were even doing side by side comparison of last years defense to this year and showing that we improved.
Yes. I thought there would be miscommunications in the secondary that led to blown coverages, but this is ridiculous. They also aren't using Baker correctly. He needs to play straight man right now, or be benched if he's still nursing the injury to his knee.
Lack of effort and bad coaching. When your team is the laughing stock of the NFL, just about everything is bad. Real bad!
Great line. Sums it up nicely. We all know the team is in transition. We want the players that are here to show that they believe in the plan. And if they don’t then that speak volumes about the coach.
Here's a silver lining: we're drafting Top 3 next year.
Want another? John Mara wakes up from his stupor and fires Pat Shurmur.
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I like Allen as a qb prospect but buffalo does not have a good offense and doesn’t have one standout offensive player. And the Giants couldn’t stop them on all levels. How could you think this defense improved?
They have a solid WRs and RBs. Their line is the issue, and the scary thing is half the pressure came from coverage. Baker had a God awful game, but I think the coverage looks much worse than it is because of the communication breakdowns.
They don’t have 1 skill player that nfl defenses fear. Their RBs/ WRs aren’t in the top 20 of the nfl. And the Giants couldn’t stop them. Scary thought for how the rest of season goes.
You're probably right, but we can always dream. IMO, the true re-build of this pathetic franchise begins when we get a winning Head Coach in here.
Honestly, we should have been in full-on rebuild mode last year.
Honestly, I want an experienced HC who has had success in the past. Don’t know who that will be or if such a guy will be available, but that’s the goal. Once, we finally move to Jones, I want a guy who could maximize that two to three year window, where saquon and Jones are on their rookie deals
There's baby steps and then there's snail-speed.
At the moment it feels as if the Giants were scheduled to play against nobody, nobody would be favored.
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Honestly, I want an experienced HC who has had success in the past. Don’t know who that will be or if such a guy will be available, but that’s the goal. Once, we finally move to Jones, I want a guy who could maximize that two to three year window, where saquon and Jones are on their rookie deals
Agreed. I wanted Cowher the past two times. I still want Cowher. Myself and Eric were both saying we need a strong established coach to right the ship. And we still do. And Cowher was also known for bonding with the younger players which is paramount in today’s NFL.
Giants should make a serious play for him when they inevitably fire PS.
Honestly, we should have been in full-on rebuild mode last year.
This is 100% spot on. The disaster started long ago, but was doubled down in the 2018 offseason. From that draft on it was nothing more than doubling down on the band aid strategy. The franchise hopes now rest with Jones. If hes mediocre or bad. Look out, it’s going be a ghost town in MetLife for years to come.
But here’s the thing, there’s no point in Jones being on the bench anymore. If served the franchise now point going forward. If the 6th pick in the draft isn’t ready to play, DG and Shurmur just look awful.