which is why I'm so negative on the whole operation.
I don't know what Chris Mara does, if anything - but that he retains a role through all this - and the rest of the FO has remained mostly the same, doesn't inspire confidence.
I have a feeling we're in for a few more down years of Gettleman, followed by Abrams.
A self made, against the odds out work all others, had to forge his own way, make his own breaks, fight through adversity......wait, oh, his daddy gave him the team? Never mind.
to hire George Young because he was running the franchise into the ground.
Perhaps I'm naive, but I have no idea why John Mara and the Mara family are held up as some great ownership group from a football perspective. Because they've been around since the beginning? Because they aren't outlandish like Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder?
Im sure hes a good man with a good heart who wants to win, but his decision over the last 5 years have been flat out bad. Why/how is that going to cease?
He has embarrassed us as fans. Mcadoo ?Fire coughlin and keep JR?
Be a complete pussy about Eli situation 2 years ago?
Hes horrible at his job/ the product sucks - there were lots of empty seats today - lots of bills fans at the home opener - someone fly a plane with a banner please!!!!!!!!
I could write a very long post on this, but for the last 6 years John Mara seems to be focused on making decisions that reflect "the Giant way" rather than articulating and understanding what "the Giant way" actually is and then building off that. Some of these were tied to Eli and what happened with Phil Simms and it's made things worse.
As recently as five years ago he was easily the best owner in NY and had a spotless reputation - not to mention two quick rings shortly after Wellington passed. Now the whole franchise is a laughingstock. I really cant believe how quickly and went south.
Hes not an asshole like Dolan but hes involved and he has no clue what hes doing. Mara is obsessed with the Giants being perceived a certain way, is extremely risk-averse and is incapable of identifying the right people.
The Gettleman hiring was a complete and utter farce.
There also had to be some worry that the 25 or so years of football that yielded four super bowls were largely a byproduct of the league installing George Young to run the franchise and all but telling the maras to stay out of football operations. Young lead to many of the greats that 25 years of football produced. Perhaps it was that run that lead the Maras to think they had a handle on the operations and to get more involved, while only trusting their insiders.
Over the past 7 years, the Giants havent been able to get out of their own way. This is a period of futility that hasnt been seen since the 70s, when the maras were running the show. Does anyone really think John Mara doesnt have a say in the Eli situation?
The problem is, weve seen the same approach taken since 2013, which is put a bandaid around Eli and hope he takes them on one more run. It should have been enough after 2017, but of course the Giants doubled down on that strategy in the 2018 offseason. Its hard to see the light right now with this franchise, thats soon to over take Browns as an exercise in futility. Right now this franchises hopes are pinned to a rookie qb who has yet to see any meaningful NFL action. If hes great, it will mask a lot of organizational deficiencies. If hes not, well be firmly back in mid 60s to early 80s.
Just like his father, he has gotten this team into the
his own version of the "wilderness years". He hires safe people to make choices that reflect his good guy persona and got rid of any player that offers even a hint of controversy. Good room types
Mara is a classy man with good intentions who truly cares.
I think I've heard some variation of that sentence for 25 years.
Not the best example. Theyve given you 2 rings and 3 SB appearances in that time. And to be honest, if its all based on luck, Im happy hes lucky.
How many do the rest of the East have in that time frame?
Every team has won the division at least twice since the Giants last playoff victory. Those victories are getting harder to live off of nearly a a decade and over a decade later.
He really seems to have no feel for how to make the types of decisions a person in his role has to make.
It's almost like he didn't have to earn the job.
Im not the biggest fan of many things he has done but serously, how many owners of any team have earned the job? They are the owners and by definition its not an earned position.
Granted we are paying a tax for how bad things really were in the past; but imo, he either should have known and had a realistic assessment of the talent ages ago or he should not be involved in football operations.
Either one is better than this half hands on and half hands off show he is running
He really seems to have no feel for how to make the types of decisions a person in his role has to make.
It's almost like he didn't have to earn the job.
Im not the biggest fan of many things he has done but serously, how many owners of any team have earned the job? They are the owners and by definition its not an earned position.
A lot of owners have at least accomplished something to acquire enough wealth to buy the team. He hasn't even done that.
Shouldn't be counted on to fix the Giants. There should be enough checks and balances in the process. Listen he brought Accorsi in , he didn't make the DG decision by himself.
And Shurmer was a decision which honestly, who knows what coaches turned them down?
Bettcher was a hot DC at the time (but he never built a defense ground up - he ran Bowles defense).
I'm going to blame the GM and the coaching staff. In Year 2 there should be improvement. This regime is starting to inch out the door - faster then I thought. It's all on Jones now. These guys should realize their jobs are on the line, and go with what they think gives them best chance of winning.
I'll tell you this. Shurmer didn't give Manning an endorsement today. He kept his options open for week 3
He really seems to have no feel for how to make the types of decisions a person in his role has to make.
It's almost like he didn't have to earn the job.
Im not the biggest fan of many things he has done but serously, how many owners of any team have earned the job? They are the owners and by definition its not an earned position.
A lot of owners have at least accomplished something to acquire enough wealth to buy the team. He hasn't even done that.
One could argue he is far more qualified to run a football team than an owner who simply had the financial means to buy into the league. Do you think Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder are better owners than the Maras and the Rooneys?
You know why the Giants sideline is in the sun? Because Wellington Mara got a cold when the Giants sideline was in the shade many moons ago.
So the Giants bake in the sun for some stupid tradition based on an old wives tale about the shade and catching a cold.
The more the Giants try to be 'traditional' the more they are going to get left in the dust. Between Gettleman shitting on a analytics to showing loyalty to a QB because he's earned it, it's really hard to be optimistic.
The shitty thing is they tried to buck the trend by hiring McAdoo, but that blew up in their face, so they are going back to the 'tried and true' method.
We go every year to a game. Leaving the stadium today I told them until this improves we're done going out to the games. Year after year of getting beaten and serenaded out of our own stadium. I mean last year it was Saints fans but today was rock bottom. Bill's fans were ridiculing us. BILLS FANS. They've played like 1 fucking playoff game in 20 years. Don't get me wrong I bleed Giant blue and will still root heavily to turn this thing around and post here and all that, but I'm done filling Mara's pockets at the stadium for the time being. I'm happy to watch from my couch with the kids.
But just like everybody on this board would, he bases his hires on how their philosophies align with his.
He doesn't directly interfere? Are you joking? Why was he to one to make the announcement that Eli was our starting QB during preseason when Shurmer was being coy about it?
Reese and McAdoo admitted they needed permission to bench Eli in 2017.
But he right there as far as im concerned as the worst owner in new york sports. I guess you can throw the wilpons in there but im not a mates fan so i dont follow them as closely.
His stubborn arrogance combined with his meddling of the teams affairs when he has no clue what he is doing has turned the franchise into a complete joke of the league.
And it's his arrogance that is not going tno allow him to step aside and let someone who knows what they are doing takeover. Instead they will do things the " giants way " whatever the hell that means and continue this crap product for years
The way he distanced himself from the Eli benching and took no responsibility. Showed me all I needed to know about the guy.
100%. Right now he is forcing Shurmur to start Eli and if the season continues down this road he will fire Shurmur too. DJ is tailor-made for this iffense and Pat can't get him on the field, and this will end his career. Because Archie thinks Eli still got it and he's a ton of fun in the owner's box.
But just like everybody on this board would, he bases his hires on how their philosophies align with his.
He doesn't directly interfere? Are you joking? Why was he to one to make the announcement that Eli was our starting QB during preseason when Shurmer was being coy about it?
Reese and McAdoo admitted they needed permission to bench Eli in 2017.
He basically said that he hopes Eli starts all year...meaning that he hopes the Giants are good and there's no reason to make the switch. That was a harmless comment that the media blew out of context. They're not good and they should make the switch now.
The rest? He's culpable but I think it's more impressing his values than a Snyder-like meddling.
When people think he comments were harmless and blown out of proportion I assume they never have had a boss.
He stated his intent: Eli starts the entire season
He said 'It's up to you' when everyone knows full well that he fired the last guy to bench Eli because he benched Eli
He then qualified it by saying that if Pat wants to start Jones he wants to know about it first: basically he is saying that if you are too fucking dense to understand the implied threats then come to me and I will tell you that Eli is the starter
I wouldnt even say you have to read between the lines on this issue. That is as forthright a statement you are going to get from a snake like Mara.
The rot of nepotism comes to mind as I read this thread
We don't just have an owner in the shadow of his father who seems in a malaise from losing. He's making decisions out of fear. DG and Shurmur are two of the more cowardly hires I've seen in my professional sports memory.
We also have the the son of this person adding a terrible additional wrinkle as a constant presence in every day operations. You know what the only thing that might be worse than an organization having a bad reputation for embracing new ideas and technology? Furthering this with the stench of nepotism. Talent these days cares much more about freedom of ideas and positive work cultures. They want places where people get ahead because of objective measures of efficacy not arbitrary distinctions of power and rank.
The Giants way involves trying to solve new problems in old ways.
But just like everybody on this board would, he bases his hires on how their philosophies align with his.
I don't think I'd do that at all. I don't know football anywhere near well enough to be picking people to run a franchise based on how closely they align to my football beliefs. I'd want to find someone independent, someone I trust, with a solid track record of assembling management teams, have them pick out some candidates and then help me sort out the one that would be easiest to work with.
The Giants claimed they did this the last time around - with Ernie Accorsi picking Gettleman. The only other external candidate was an ESPN analyst. Not exactly a well rounded cast.
I will always suspect that the Maras are more hands on than they should be. With nothing to prove it, seeing as I don't have inside information. Chris Mara holds a fairly senior title, but we know little about what he does. Given how poorly the team has performed for nearly a decade, doesn't it seem odd that the SVP of Player Personnel has had that title for the duration?
We've heard that John Mara casts a deciding vote during the draft, when the coaching and scouting staffs need a tiebreaker. That would put him directly in line of football decision making.
To me, the whole situation seems a little like what happens from time to time in sports, when meddlesome owners get too confident and start interfering. It usually comes after some success, too. Jerry Jones decided to go full speed with his meddling and chased Jimmy Johnson out of the building. George Steinbrenner, emboldened by his WS titles in the 70s started to think he knew better than everyone else, and if not for the scandal that pushed him out of FO meddling for awhile, the Yankees wouldn't have had their next dynasty.
Maybe those SBs led these guys to believe they were more instrumental to the team's success than they really were, and they started to be less hands off. Everything, from TC's "retirement" to the Josh Brown scandal to the Eli benching seems to have had direct involvement by Mara, if he wasn't the primary driver himself.
How could anyone reasonably have confidence in him?
He is not a football guy>. Neither is Chris. But they own the team so they get to act like they are and get to make football decisions.
If Shurmur and staff goes, John Mara will have a say in who they bring in. If eventually they let DG go, John Mara will call Ernie Accorsi or someone else and ask who to hire not because Accorsi is the best guy to make the call, but because he is a Giants guy.
Of all the other problems...talent deficiency, coaching, player evaluation...a meddling, stubborn owner is the one that is not getting fixed.
But just like everybody on this board would, he bases his hires on how their philosophies align with his.
I don't think I'd do that at all. I don't know football anywhere near well enough to be picking people to run a franchise based on how closely they align to my football beliefs. I'd want to find someone independent, someone I trust, with a solid track record of assembling management teams, have them pick out some candidates and then help me sort out the one that would be easiest to work with.
The Giants claimed they did this the last time around - with Ernie Accorsi picking Gettleman. The only other external candidate was an ESPN analyst. Not exactly a well rounded cast.
I will always suspect that the Maras are more hands on than they should be. With nothing to prove it, seeing as I don't have inside information. Chris Mara holds a fairly senior title, but we know little about what he does. Given how poorly the team has performed for nearly a decade, doesn't it seem odd that the SVP of Player Personnel has had that title for the duration?
We've heard that John Mara casts a deciding vote during the draft, when the coaching and scouting staffs need a tiebreaker. That would put him directly in line of football decision making.
To me, the whole situation seems a little like what happens from time to time in sports, when meddlesome owners get too confident and start interfering. It usually comes after some success, too. Jerry Jones decided to go full speed with his meddling and chased Jimmy Johnson out of the building. George Steinbrenner, emboldened by his WS titles in the 70s started to think he knew better than everyone else, and if not for the scandal that pushed him out of FO meddling for awhile, the Yankees wouldn't have had their next dynasty.
Maybe those SBs led these guys to believe they were more instrumental to the team's success than they really were, and they started to be less hands off. Everything, from TC's "retirement" to the Josh Brown scandal to the Eli benching seems to have had direct involvement by Mara, if he wasn't the primary driver himself.
You said it way better than I would've. Silver spoon assholes that don't know thrir dick from a stick in the mud always think they are smarter than everyone else
He really seems to have no feel for how to make the types of decisions a person in his role has to make.
It's almost like he didn't have to earn the job.
Im not the biggest fan of many things he has done but serously, how many owners of any team have earned the job? They are the owners and by definition its not an earned position.
A lot of owners have at least accomplished something to acquire enough wealth to buy the team. He hasn't even done that.
One could argue he is far more qualified to run a football team than an owner who simply had the financial means to buy into the league. Do you think Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder are better owners than the Maras and the Rooneys?
Are u serious? Jerry Jones May be a a boorish ass but the guy built a stadium that provides a 100 times beater experience for his patrons.
John Mara made sure he took as little money out of his own pocket and fucked some of the most loyal fans in the NFL w his stadium. Hes supposed to do the best he can. Never mind His direct shitty overall coaching and GM picks
People seriously took out 2nd mortgages on their home or maxed out their credit cards to hold on to season tickets and the only discernible differnce in the experience is a taco cart at the main entrance.
I'm not crazy about where the team is either. Maybe the major decisions will work out (DG, PS, Jones at 6, Eli's swan song, etc.) and maybe they won't.
But all those guys there say something about the organization and yes, ownership.
I'm not crazy about where the team is either. Maybe the major decisions will work out (DG, PS, Jones at 6, Eli's swan song, etc.) and maybe they won't.
But all those guys there say something about the organization and yes, ownership.
i am sorry but former players loving the organization, especially ones who won with the giants have nothing to do with what we are complaining about...
former knicks players love dolan to except for 1...
I will always suspect that the Maras are more hands on than they should be. With nothing to prove it, seeing as I don't have inside information. Chris Mara holds a fairly senior title, but we know little about what he does. Given how poorly the team has performed for nearly a decade, doesn't it seem odd that the SVP of Player Personnel has had that title for the duration?
THIS !!!
You can connect the dots to the downfall of this franchise when Chris Mara was promoted to Senior VP of Player Development in 2011.
Since 2011 what is Giants record ? how many times have they made the playoffs ?
Every Person in Management has been fired EXCEPT HIM.
AND HE CAN NOT BE FIRED!
I don't know what Chris Mara does, if anything - but that he retains a role through all this - and the rest of the FO has remained mostly the same, doesn't inspire confidence.
I have a feeling we're in for a few more down years of Gettleman, followed by Abrams.
Perhaps I'm naive, but I have no idea why John Mara and the Mara family are held up as some great ownership group from a football perspective. Because they've been around since the beginning? Because they aren't outlandish like Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder?
I think I've heard some variation of that sentence for 25 years.
Be a complete pussy about Eli situation 2 years ago?
Hes horrible at his job/ the product sucks - there were lots of empty seats today - lots of bills fans at the home opener - someone fly a plane with a banner please!!!!!!!!
Im sure hes a nice guy but not enough
Hes a terrible owner
It's almost like he didn't have to earn the job.
The Gettleman hiring was a complete and utter farce.
Over the past 7 years, the Giants havent been able to get out of their own way. This is a period of futility that hasnt been seen since the 70s, when the maras were running the show. Does anyone really think John Mara doesnt have a say in the Eli situation?
The problem is, weve seen the same approach taken since 2013, which is put a bandaid around Eli and hope he takes them on one more run. It should have been enough after 2017, but of course the Giants doubled down on that strategy in the 2018 offseason. Its hard to see the light right now with this franchise, thats soon to over take Browns as an exercise in futility. Right now this franchises hopes are pinned to a rookie qb who has yet to see any meaningful NFL action. If hes great, it will mask a lot of organizational deficiencies. If hes not, well be firmly back in mid 60s to early 80s.
I think I've heard some variation of that sentence for 25 years.
Not the best example. Theyve given you 2 rings and 3 SB appearances in that time. And to be honest, if its all based on luck, Im happy hes lucky.
How many do the rest of the East have in that time frame?
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Mara is a classy man with good intentions who truly cares.
I think I've heard some variation of that sentence for 25 years.
Not the best example. Theyve given you 2 rings and 3 SB appearances in that time. And to be honest, if its all based on luck, Im happy hes lucky.
How many do the rest of the East have in that time frame?
Every team has won the division at least twice since the Giants last playoff victory. Those victories are getting harder to live off of nearly a a decade and over a decade later.
It's almost like he didn't have to earn the job.
Im not the biggest fan of many things he has done but serously, how many owners of any team have earned the job? They are the owners and by definition its not an earned position.
He should limit himself to that aspect of running the football team and go nowhere near football operations.
Either one is better than this half hands on and half hands off show he is running
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He really seems to have no feel for how to make the types of decisions a person in his role has to make.
It's almost like he didn't have to earn the job.
Im not the biggest fan of many things he has done but serously, how many owners of any team have earned the job? They are the owners and by definition its not an earned position.
A lot of owners have at least accomplished something to acquire enough wealth to buy the team. He hasn't even done that.
And Shurmer was a decision which honestly, who knows what coaches turned them down?
Bettcher was a hot DC at the time (but he never built a defense ground up - he ran Bowles defense).
I'm going to blame the GM and the coaching staff. In Year 2 there should be improvement. This regime is starting to inch out the door - faster then I thought. It's all on Jones now. These guys should realize their jobs are on the line, and go with what they think gives them best chance of winning.
I'll tell you this. Shurmer didn't give Manning an endorsement today. He kept his options open for week 3
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He really seems to have no feel for how to make the types of decisions a person in his role has to make.
It's almost like he didn't have to earn the job.
Im not the biggest fan of many things he has done but serously, how many owners of any team have earned the job? They are the owners and by definition its not an earned position.
A lot of owners have at least accomplished something to acquire enough wealth to buy the team. He hasn't even done that.
One could argue he is far more qualified to run a football team than an owner who simply had the financial means to buy into the league. Do you think Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder are better owners than the Maras and the Rooneys?
So the Giants bake in the sun for some stupid tradition based on an old wives tale about the shade and catching a cold.
The more the Giants try to be 'traditional' the more they are going to get left in the dust. Between Gettleman shitting on a analytics to showing loyalty to a QB because he's earned it, it's really hard to be optimistic.
The shitty thing is they tried to buck the trend by hiring McAdoo, but that blew up in their face, so they are going back to the 'tried and true' method.
Inept. Start w the stadium even w partnering w another team to defray the costs they did a shitty job.
Lets not even go into keeping Reese and McAdoo
He doesn't directly interfere? Are you joking? Why was he to one to make the announcement that Eli was our starting QB during preseason when Shurmer was being coy about it?
Reese and McAdoo admitted they needed permission to bench Eli in 2017.
His stubborn arrogance combined with his meddling of the teams affairs when he has no clue what he is doing has turned the franchise into a complete joke of the league.
And it's his arrogance that is not going tno allow him to step aside and let someone who knows what they are doing takeover. Instead they will do things the " giants way " whatever the hell that means and continue this crap product for years
100%. Right now he is forcing Shurmur to start Eli and if the season continues down this road he will fire Shurmur too. DJ is tailor-made for this iffense and Pat can't get him on the field, and this will end his career. Because Archie thinks Eli still got it and he's a ton of fun in the owner's box.
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But just like everybody on this board would, he bases his hires on how their philosophies align with his.
He doesn't directly interfere? Are you joking? Why was he to one to make the announcement that Eli was our starting QB during preseason when Shurmer was being coy about it?
Reese and McAdoo admitted they needed permission to bench Eli in 2017.
He basically said that he hopes Eli starts all year...meaning that he hopes the Giants are good and there's no reason to make the switch. That was a harmless comment that the media blew out of context. They're not good and they should make the switch now.
The rest? He's culpable but I think it's more impressing his values than a Snyder-like meddling.
He stated his intent: Eli starts the entire season
He said 'It's up to you' when everyone knows full well that he fired the last guy to bench Eli because he benched Eli
He then qualified it by saying that if Pat wants to start Jones he wants to know about it first: basically he is saying that if you are too fucking dense to understand the implied threats then come to me and I will tell you that Eli is the starter
I wouldnt even say you have to read between the lines on this issue. That is as forthright a statement you are going to get from a snake like Mara.
We also have the the son of this person adding a terrible additional wrinkle as a constant presence in every day operations. You know what the only thing that might be worse than an organization having a bad reputation for embracing new ideas and technology? Furthering this with the stench of nepotism. Talent these days cares much more about freedom of ideas and positive work cultures. They want places where people get ahead because of objective measures of efficacy not arbitrary distinctions of power and rank.
The Giants way involves trying to solve new problems in old ways.
I don't think I'd do that at all. I don't know football anywhere near well enough to be picking people to run a franchise based on how closely they align to my football beliefs. I'd want to find someone independent, someone I trust, with a solid track record of assembling management teams, have them pick out some candidates and then help me sort out the one that would be easiest to work with.
The Giants claimed they did this the last time around - with Ernie Accorsi picking Gettleman. The only other external candidate was an ESPN analyst. Not exactly a well rounded cast.
I will always suspect that the Maras are more hands on than they should be. With nothing to prove it, seeing as I don't have inside information. Chris Mara holds a fairly senior title, but we know little about what he does. Given how poorly the team has performed for nearly a decade, doesn't it seem odd that the SVP of Player Personnel has had that title for the duration?
We've heard that John Mara casts a deciding vote during the draft, when the coaching and scouting staffs need a tiebreaker. That would put him directly in line of football decision making.
To me, the whole situation seems a little like what happens from time to time in sports, when meddlesome owners get too confident and start interfering. It usually comes after some success, too. Jerry Jones decided to go full speed with his meddling and chased Jimmy Johnson out of the building. George Steinbrenner, emboldened by his WS titles in the 70s started to think he knew better than everyone else, and if not for the scandal that pushed him out of FO meddling for awhile, the Yankees wouldn't have had their next dynasty.
Maybe those SBs led these guys to believe they were more instrumental to the team's success than they really were, and they started to be less hands off. Everything, from TC's "retirement" to the Josh Brown scandal to the Eli benching seems to have had direct involvement by Mara, if he wasn't the primary driver himself.
If Shurmur and staff goes, John Mara will have a say in who they bring in. If eventually they let DG go, John Mara will call Ernie Accorsi or someone else and ask who to hire not because Accorsi is the best guy to make the call, but because he is a Giants guy.
Of all the other problems...talent deficiency, coaching, player evaluation...a meddling, stubborn owner is the one that is not getting fixed.
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But just like everybody on this board would, he bases his hires on how their philosophies align with his.
I don't think I'd do that at all. I don't know football anywhere near well enough to be picking people to run a franchise based on how closely they align to my football beliefs. I'd want to find someone independent, someone I trust, with a solid track record of assembling management teams, have them pick out some candidates and then help me sort out the one that would be easiest to work with.
The Giants claimed they did this the last time around - with Ernie Accorsi picking Gettleman. The only other external candidate was an ESPN analyst. Not exactly a well rounded cast.
I will always suspect that the Maras are more hands on than they should be. With nothing to prove it, seeing as I don't have inside information. Chris Mara holds a fairly senior title, but we know little about what he does. Given how poorly the team has performed for nearly a decade, doesn't it seem odd that the SVP of Player Personnel has had that title for the duration?
We've heard that John Mara casts a deciding vote during the draft, when the coaching and scouting staffs need a tiebreaker. That would put him directly in line of football decision making.
To me, the whole situation seems a little like what happens from time to time in sports, when meddlesome owners get too confident and start interfering. It usually comes after some success, too. Jerry Jones decided to go full speed with his meddling and chased Jimmy Johnson out of the building. George Steinbrenner, emboldened by his WS titles in the 70s started to think he knew better than everyone else, and if not for the scandal that pushed him out of FO meddling for awhile, the Yankees wouldn't have had their next dynasty.
Maybe those SBs led these guys to believe they were more instrumental to the team's success than they really were, and they started to be less hands off. Everything, from TC's "retirement" to the Josh Brown scandal to the Eli benching seems to have had direct involvement by Mara, if he wasn't the primary driver himself.
You said it way better than I would've. Silver spoon assholes that don't know thrir dick from a stick in the mud always think they are smarter than everyone else
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He really seems to have no feel for how to make the types of decisions a person in his role has to make.
It's almost like he didn't have to earn the job.
Im not the biggest fan of many things he has done but serously, how many owners of any team have earned the job? They are the owners and by definition its not an earned position.
A lot of owners have at least accomplished something to acquire enough wealth to buy the team. He hasn't even done that.
One could argue he is far more qualified to run a football team than an owner who simply had the financial means to buy into the league. Do you think Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder are better owners than the Maras and the Rooneys?
Are u serious? Jerry Jones May be a a boorish ass but the guy built a stadium that provides a 100 times beater experience for his patrons.
John Mara made sure he took as little money out of his own pocket and fucked some of the most loyal fans in the NFL w his stadium. Hes supposed to do the best he can. Never mind His direct shitty overall coaching and GM picks
But all those guys there say something about the organization and yes, ownership.
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Mara is a classy man with good intentions who truly cares.
I think I've heard some variation of that sentence for 25 years.
Not the best example. Theyve given you 2 rings and 3 SB appearances in that time. And to be honest, if its all based on luck, Im happy hes lucky.
How many do the rest of the East have in that time frame?
Love your perspective bshaw
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But all those guys there say something about the organization and yes, ownership.
i am sorry but former players loving the organization, especially ones who won with the giants have nothing to do with what we are complaining about...
former knicks players love dolan to except for 1...
THIS !!!
You can connect the dots to the downfall of this franchise when Chris Mara was promoted to Senior VP of Player Development in 2011.
Since 2011 what is Giants record ? how many times have they made the playoffs ?
Every Person in Management has been fired EXCEPT HIM.
AND HE CAN NOT BE FIRED!