Gettleman and where the NFL is heading

Would be a good qb for that offense. What's his name Jones? Maybe we should draft him? LOL

Dan Duggan
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Shurmur's career winning percentage dropped to .294. That's seventh-worst in NFL history among coaches with at least 50 games.

Drafting a run-stuffer in the first round instead of ER.

Agree Eric. He is treating this too much like a start up franchise or college program. All the talk of how young they are, getting experience, etc.. Seems like they sense of urgency is lacking and more of if takes time imo.

PhilSimms; can you point out how many teams have won a Super Bowl that could not "run the ball, stop the run, get after the passer" I can't really think of many if at all. Playoff football seems to expose teams that are built on mirrors.

This is where the NFL is headed. The problem for me personally is I don't like this type of football. It all looks improvised, chaotic and schoolyard quality.

more worrisome than his team building on offense is the lack of awareness of what kind of players you need on defense to try and slow these offenses down. Has anyone ever seen a slower, softer more passive defense in the NFL than the 2019 Giants?

Maybe some of these young guys can play. If this coaching staff and front office are blown out quickly enough maybe they won't all be wasted picks.

But if Gettleman gets 2 more years with these coaches the Giants will literally be the worst team in the NFL. They are headed in that direction and are not far from there now. Maybe that's what it will take for the Mara brothers to step back and hire some young progressive people to run the team. But I won't hold my breath.

Welcome back to the Wellington years. Some of us have seen this coming for a while.

with an immobile QB, a defense predicated on stopping the run and fundamentals, and a running game that ramps up when the weather gets cold.

In comment 14579461 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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Agree Eric. He is treating this too much like a start up franchise or college program. All the talk of how young they are, getting experience, etc.. Seems like they sense of urgency is lacking and more of if takes time imo. PhilSimms; can you point out how many teams have won a Super Bowl that could not "run the ball, stop the run, get after the passer" I can't really think of many if at all. Playoff football seems to expose teams that are built on mirrors.

Yet Ballentine,Davis & Love don't see a single snap on defense yesterday! Tough to get experience w/o playing!

When Lamar Jackson make a conference championship game, then we can ponder the greatness of run first sprinters at QB

I agree, there have not been too many teams that won the SB with the type of O and D favored today. However, the league rules keep making it more and more difficult for defensive backs to defend pass catchers and with the protect-the-QB-at-all costs rules means there is no way to punish a QB for running around.

And I agree New England continues to be an anomaly but they have arguably the best QB and the best head coach ever.

1: I think are offense is supposed to be centered around a quick passing game and mobile QB but the Giants are playing Manning in it knowing it doesn't fit his skill set. Ownership just isn't ready to move on from him and are struggling to find a way to do it gracefully.

2: The teams reference KC, Seattle and Baltimore all have very good running games and at some point in time, have invested in that position (Seattle 1st round pick, Baltimore paid Ingram, KC multiple picks at the position + signing McCoy)

In comment 14579438 Eric from BBI said:

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Dan Duggan @DDuggan21 · 10h Shurmur's career winning percentage dropped to .294. That's seventh-worst in NFL history among coaches with at least 50 games.

Pushing hard for the immortal Steve Spagnuolo and his lifetime .212 winning percentage as a HC.

In comment 14579501 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:

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with an immobile QB, a defense predicated on stopping the run and fundamentals, and a running game that ramps up when the weather gets cold.

No.. Pats have a QB who moves great within the pocket.. has great pocket presence.. has great touch on his short-medium range passes.. hits WR in strides and doesn't get the ball tipped nearly as often as our QB.. He has also in the past few years performed with and without a functional OL (The season Broncos won the SB).. without a functional pass catching outside WR and Gronk (last year).. He has never had as good a running back as the Giants have now..

This idea that we won't be any better if we had Brady instead of Eli is ridiculous..

while everyone else is zagging. As teams add smaller, quicker defensive players to counter spread offenses, going big isn’t the worst idea. I’m just not sure we’re getting the right guys.

In comment 14579501 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:

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with an immobile QB, a defense predicated on stopping the run and fundamentals, and a running game that ramps up when the weather gets cold.

+1

Had a conversation with my brother earlier this morning about the Giants O and the lack of mobility at the position. We discussed Brady and Rivers being similar pocket passers in a league trending towards more mobility. I asked him if he thought Phillip Rivers was more mobile or is it the offensive scheme?

In comment 14580181 chuckydee9 said:

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In comment 14579501 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said: Quote: with an immobile QB, a defense predicated on stopping the run and fundamentals, and a running game that ramps up when the weather gets cold. No.. Pats have a QB who moves great within the pocket.. has great pocket presence.. has great touch on his short-medium range passes.. hits WR in strides and doesn't get the ball tipped nearly as often as our QB.. He has also in the past few years performed with and without a functional OL (The season Broncos won the SB).. without a functional pass catching outside WR and Gronk (last year).. He has never had as good a running back as the Giants have now.. This idea that we won't be any better if we had Brady instead of Eli is ridiculous..

That's not my argument at all.

and approaches to the game. They are also very good at using among other things technology to find weaknesses to exploit.

Brady is one of the best QBs of all time and they run much like they do pass opportunistically.

You can't ignore the fact that they have Brady there when you point out that they were more of a running team in the playoffs last year. Much easier to run with that big of a pass threat on your team.