His O-line has improved and he has a running game, so we are down to two excuses:
1) Eli needs better receivers. While the group leaves something to be desired, it seems very self-serving to blame to o-line one year and the receivers the next. And better receivers wouldn't improve his accuracy, increase
his mobility or decrease his blocked passes...
2) QBR is a poor indicator of performance. Quants can go at this one. But from the looks of it, Eli is at least one standard deviation below average, so the chance that this is wrong is less than 5%.
If you want to claim the sample size is small, answer this: Do you want a larger one?
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We need to get a read on Jones before what could be a very high draft pick.
At one time, Eli could thrive with one (or maybe even 2) of those were lacking, but not any more.
Exactly
And I'd be happy to defend Eli if his performance either way was even remotely relevant as a 38-year-old QB, in the last year of his contract, on a team this bad.
You don't have to blame Eli to realize that he's not going to be the QB by the time this POS roster is back to being competitive.
This is generally the same situation that fans describe when they try to assemble the right sort of scenario for a rookie QB to succeed, not a 16 year vet who has made more money than anyone in NFL history.
Would Eli be better with better receivers? Of course, but the reality appears to be that Eli can no longer make the off-script plays that are increasingly the difference between winning and losing.
He no longer does that. It isnt even a criticism - that is just what he is right now.
He would be the perfect transitional QB for a team like the Colts. Really good offensive line and running game, receivers who create space, underrated defense, great coaching.
I love Eli, but his skill set doesnt match where this franchise is right now.
But from my memory, here are some things that stood out for me:
Eli's QBR the last three years has been 26th, 25th and 26th. (Not sure which year he was 25th.)
During the last 10 years Brady and Brees finished out of the top 10 in QBR just once, when Brady finished 12th.
And I beleive (although not 100% sure) that Eli has finished in the top 10 in QBR just 3 times in his career and never higher than 8th. (It's possible that it's 4 times, but still a relatively small number based on 14 years of QBR stats.)
If QBR is a useless stat then why is it that two of the top QBs over the last decade somehow always (except for Brady's one year at 12) finish in the top 10?
And why when Eli DID have better support didn't he finish in the top 10 more often?
But from my memory, here are some things that stood out for me:
Eli's QBR the last three years has been 26th, 25th and 26th. (Not sure which year he was 25th.)
During the last 10 years Brady and Brees finished out of the top 10 in QBR just once, when Brady finished 12th.
And I beleive (although not 100% sure) that Eli has finished in the top 10 in QBR just 3 times in his career and never higher than 8th. (It's possible that it's 4 times, but still a relatively small number based on 14 years of QBR stats.)
If QBR is a useless stat then why is it that two of the top QBs over the last decade somehow always (except for Brady's one year at 12) finish in the top 10?
And why when Eli DID have better support didn't he finish in the top 10 more often?
Eli isn't in Brady's level outside of 2011.. There are some idiots here who do compare Eli vs Brady and actually think that Brady won't be any better if he was with the Giants..
Also, the people who have been saying this about Eli in real time over the last three years have received a lot of heat on this board, being accused of being "Eli haters" and as being disrespectful and unappreciative of what Eli has done for the Giants. Well, here we are. Next week, Eli Manning's career record will fall under .500 (really think about that for a second - it is mind boggling and it makes me nauseous). Think about the additional damage that has been done to his legacy since he was reinserted by John Mara as the starting qb in 2017 after that embarrassing media and fan reaction to his benching. If his 2017 benching had been the end of his time with the Giants, his Giants legacy would look so much better today than it actually does (and certainly the Giants would not be any worse off than they are today). So the self-appointed protectors of Eli Manning's legacy have actually done him a great disservice in the long run.
We need to get a read on Jones before what could be a very high draft pick.
This x100.
The Giants are absolutely drafting in the top 5, probably in the top 3 and maybe 1 or 2.
They will be in position to draft one of the top QBs in what the experts are saying is a really good QB draft class.
If Jones is the real deal - they trade out for a king's ransom of picks - if he's not - they do like the Dolphins which looks like the right move 2 games into the season.
The Giants wannabe-WCO under McAdoo and now under Shurmer have been complete ugly failures. Is it because Eli sucks in a WCO? Is it because the play designs suck? Are the Giants too risk averse? Probably all that and more. I hope they start Jones next week just to watch him try to deal with the garbage receivers and play design/calling that Eli has had to endure.
We need to get a read on Jones before what could be a very high draft pick.
I'm leaning toward agreeing with this should we be 0-3, 1-4 ib the next couple of weeks. But I would bet that, even if we lost all the rest of the games after Jones started to play, that we are not going to eat the pick. I wol have wanted Fromm or Tua or Herbert back in March, but there's no way on earth that is happening now.
Would Eli be better with better receivers? Of course, but the reality appears to be that Eli can no longer make the off-script plays that are increasingly the difference between winning and losing.
^This. Eli can't move anymore, and therefore can't extend plays or scramble for first downs, both of which are required in today's NFL. He is painfully slow and heavy footed. He can't even really move in the pocket, which partially explains all of his batted passes.
We will already have hit rock bottom if the DJ thing goes awry. The longer everyone puts the QB change off, the more time it buys DG, PS and the rest of the staff. Ultimately, ownership will judge their performance based on that pick (in my opinion).
Worst case scenario is we get eight games in and bring in Jones for an evaluation on a team that has essentially already quit. Players will be making "business decisions", and we won't know if we have our QB or need a redo in the 2020 draft
Worst case scenario is we get eight games in and bring in Jones for an evaluation on a team that has essentially already quit. Players will be making "business decisions", and we won't know if we have our QB or need a redo in the 2020 draft
I don't think that anyone has quit. Not this year or last year.
That last year under MacAdoo the Giants quit...they haven't done that..yet
They're just not good.
That said, Eli's passer rating yesterday was not good.
Its the posters who shouted everybody down when Eli is questioned that spawn these posts.
We dont root against Eli, but whats the point of rooting for something thats been consistently bad?