If you were going to start Daniel Jones....

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Eli can come in off the bench if he is overwhelmed

is week 7 against the Cards with Lions to follow.

Week 5 has to be an option but Vikings, Patriots will be tough sledding.

I'd want him to have some games before the bye to reflect on.

Coming off the Thur night game extra few days to prep. Makes sense

not to start him next game? What has Eli done in the first two games to make you think he isn't done?

And not a debate about Manning's effectiveness or if we're in/out of it or the GB model vs KC model etc...

Week 7: You're looking at 2 games against average to below average defenses followed by him getting to play a good defense (Dallas) which he's already seen the field against. It allows him to be eased in rather than throwing him in against the Bears with Khalil Mack screaming down on him all game.

From fans, radio hosts, writers, etc...

or whenever his cap hit was lowest.

do it for our home game against Washington.

think week 7 is the likely spot. The long week, the soft opponent, at home. And 6 game will have given Eli a fair whack at winning some games, it seems sensible.

In comment 14579484 ron mexico said:

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Eli can come in off the bench if he is overwhelmed

That is the one thing you can't do. You put him in he takes his lumps.

But since that has passed, immediately.

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In comment 14579571 justafan said:

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do it for our home game against Washington.

^This. I was initially thinking against the Jets, then the Cardinals, but now it's the Redskins at the latest. I would also insert him this week if we fall behind by 14 points. Eli is done. His lack of mobility is readily and painfully apparent to even a casual football fan. We have a bunch of possession receivers who need time to separate and get open. Only a mobile QB can buy them that time, as well as scramble for a few first downs.

At Tampa.

In comment 14579587 Bruner4329 said:

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In comment 14579484 ron mexico said: Quote: Eli can come in off the bench if he is overwhelmed That is the one thing you can't do. You put him in he takes his lumps.

I agree that I prefer that he 1) take his lumps and 2) show that he is resilient enough to take them

My comment was more along the lines that Eli's only value to the team at this point is as a capable backstop that can come in and perform without a lot of practice reps.

I am starting to think it's better to let Manning lead this mess.
Start fresh after the Bye. let Jones get the last 6 games to prove himself with zero pressure.

We are headed for a top 10 pick anyway. Eli is not helping this team right now. He is not elevating anyone, he is just playing average to below average football. his record as a starter is now .500 for his career, he will be below .500 if he continues to start. Our O on a good day is average and our D is probably in the bottom 3 if not the bottom. What is the point of keeping our future on the bench. Let him take his lumps this year at least while the OL is playing well and get him some good experience.

The best timing if we were doing better would be week 7 as others have stated.

In comment 14579681 larryflower37 said:

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I am starting to think it's better to let Manning lead this mess. Start fresh after the Bye. let Jones get the last 6 games to prove himself with zero pressure.

That's a really good point. You may have swayed me to your line of thinking.

And if he stinks up the joint and the defense continues to be terrible and coaches continue to make questionable decision...everybody goes.
EVERYONE.
Manning, Jones, Gettleman, Shurmer, Bettcher, Shula...EVERYONE.
And you start from scratch with the number #2 pick in the draft (which will be the new franchise QB), the best RB in the league, a somewhat serviceable OL, and continue to add pieces through the draft and FA to a young defense in need of a new DC to rebuild their confidence and develop their talent.

I know it's unlikely, but there is the possibility that Daniel Jones is fucking awesome. Again, very unlikely, but it is possible that inserting the kid gives the team the spark they need.

I do not think that anyone believes that this team with Eli Manning at quarterback is winning a super bowl or even making the playoffs.

I think there is no question we should make this change immediately and it should be obvious to everyone.

My question to those that think we should not start Jones, why the fuck not?

Admit it.

If the Giants announced Jones were starting against Tampa Bay you would be much more excited to watch that game then you are right now.

That feeling but you get when you think about Jones starting should tell you everything you need to know about this decision.

More like resigned to doing what needs to be done, and expecting to find out that we're still in need of a future QB.

is management would look stupid for bringing Eli back in the first place if they only give him two games.

Thats the only thing I can think of, to somewhat save face behind the narrative of giving Jones the best chance to succeed.

If Jones is awesome...everyone stays.

PS and DG look like geniuses who know what their doing, hopefully the defense stays off the field more with the offense clicking so they can get their stuff together, confidence from the fan base and ownership is restored and we look forward to next year and the Giant football actually meaning something again.

But that process has to start now.

Week 4 the latest. They need to give him as much time as possible so they can hit the ground running in 2020.

If there is any hope of salvaging this season it's by starting Jones. Hopefully inserting Jones into the starting lineup will provide a much needed spark.

You're 0-2. The defense has been terrible, but the offense has been as well. 31 points in 2 games, completely listless and lacking energy other than the 2 opening drives of the games.

Maximize the sample size that you have to find out if Jones really has the NFL potential you thought he did when you drafted him.

14 games is a lot.

If you have a top 1-5 pick next year, you may have an opportunity to draft Tua / Herbert / Fromm. Passing on that is an opportunity cost, and you should make sure you have the very most information possible before doing so.

Not to mention - what if, even if it's long odds, Jones brings a new energy to the offense, and this team starts to look like a more inspired group right away? Maybe you find yourself 2-2 with a re-energized fan base and people feeling better about the present AND the future.

treat Jones with kid gloves, do everything possible to make sure he's successful. Which honestly scares me bc so many highly picked QBs start right away in the league; it has me wondering if the Giants have doubts abt him. Anyhow, I agree w a week 7 start and a few appearances in mop-up games before then.

If we see him start before week 7 it means one of two things imo; the Giants giving in to fan pressure or they think Jones is the real deal and can handle it.

that he was the real deal and could handle it on draft day. Now it's time to prove it.

In comment 14579496 Gman11 said:

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not to start him next game? What has Eli done in the first two games to make you think he isn't done?

Yes, there is 1 Big reason: there are no healthy NFL quality receivers on the active roster right now.