Let me begin by saying that Eli isn’t the only problem nor biggest problem with this team. But at this point, it’s hard to paint him as a adding to this team in any positive way.
Pat Shurmur said, in his post game conference regarding Eli’s game Sunday against the Bills, something to the tune of “His performance is indicative of the teams play”. He was right. The Giants looked slow. At times confused. Consistently a step behind or a-beat too slow. The Giants looked like one of the worst teams in the NFL. They’ll string two good plays back to back and shit the bed on the third. Indicative of their QB’s play.
NFL QB is the most glamorous position in sports. He is the leader. The life blood of an organization, whether they like it or not. A team that believes in its QB will play with maximum intensity because they believe if they get their guy back the ball, he’ll deliver. A team that doesn’t is like a power swinger on a bad team in baseball. Trying to hit a homer every at bat because you don’t see where else the hits come from. Leading to a lot of embarrassing whiffs and strikeouts.
I don’t see a team that believes in Eli Manning. The last 4-5 seasons I’ve seen a team that had accepted only the inevitability of Eli Manning.
But I saw something this preseason. I saw something I couldn’t remember seeing in a while here. I saw a QB completing passes. And I saw guys on the sidelines energized. I saw guys jumping up and down in excitement, I saw guys holding the heads with smiles of disbelief. I saw guys swarm their QB after a touchdown drive like they’d won the Super Bowl. That QB was Daniel Jones. He captured the minds of those guys.
Starting Daniel Jones is about getting the players here to know that the new era has started. The new chapter of Giants football is being written. It will energize this team to be a step faster, A-beat faster, and try that extra bit harder.
you keep playing him and let him take his lumps..
how did eli do his first year?
But I'm ready for a change. Its not going to happen yet though. We may see it after the Redskins if things don't get better.
As an aside, what was up with all those batted balls yesterday. I can't remember the last time I saw so many balls get knocked down.
Being on the road at a less than crazy crowd takes a LOT of pressure off JOnes. Plus, gives Gmen an excuse to run,run and run Barkley some more without boo birds going ape shit.
The Gianst could actually win this game by OUTSCORING the Bucs. Yes, every game is won by outscoring the other team but, I mean shootout style. Jones would totally fuck up the opposing defense as they have no way to know what he will do other than preseason snippets. His mobility alone will open things up that have not been there and make Barkley (who NOBODY saw play with Jones this summer) even more dangerous!!!
Same old can’t get off the field on 3rd down. Offense starts out decent then falls asleep
Eli? Too many things have to be in place at this point to make him effective. There not. I just never have the feeling that even though we aren’t good , we can ride the arm of Eli and steal one
Sure he can still make the throws but consistency and doing it for 4 quarters every week. Just don’t think so
Play Jones soon and at least we can see if he shows the glimmer of hope we need along with Saquon to start the next decade on the right track
The only reason not to play him is Eli may cry again.
To me, the right spot is 10 days after the Pats game, at home, vs. the Cardinals. Can't ask for a softer matchup to start. That game is followed by @ the Lions, at home vs. the Cowboys, and @ the Jets. That's a favorable opening four game stretch.
The games that follow are rough again (@ the Bears, Packers, and @ the Eagles. I don't want any of those to be anywhere near his first action.
You then have a nice chance to close strong with Dolphins, @ Skins, home vs. Eagles. If they don't make the move soon, I suspect the Dolphins game is when we might get him. I don't see any reason to wait that long though.
To me, the more I talk about it, the more that Cardinals game makes perfect sense. Sadly, I also suspect that vs. Vikes and @ Pats on Thursday night will be very rough for Eli and the gang...so the timing will probably be right.
The "over" is looking like a solid play....it's only Monday.
Same thing when the Browns went to Mayfield last year, it was an injection of energy
The point is that we don't know if Jones is the answer, but you have to get him on the field before this team is 0-6. Murray is playing, Minishew is playing....Haskins will probably be starting in another couple of weeks. Jones has had 4 years with Cutcliff, a full training camp, 4 pre-season games, 2 regular season games to watch/learn, and has a solid Oline in front of him, and the best RB in the NFL next to him. Play him now!
There is no perfect landing spot for him to start, and it's clear the team is going nowhere fast, so why would they continue the mirage that Eli has any future as the starter.
The future starts today...make the announcement and move on.
To me, the right spot is 10 days after the Pats game, at home, vs. the Cardinals. Can't ask for a softer matchup to start. That game is followed by @ the Lions, at home vs. the Cowboys, and @ the Jets. That's a favorable opening four game stretch.
The games that follow are rough again (@ the Bears, Packers, and @ the Eagles. I don't want any of those to be anywhere near his first action.
You then have a nice chance to close strong with Dolphins, @ Skins, home vs. Eagles. If they don't make the move soon, I suspect the Dolphins game is when we might get him. I don't see any reason to wait that long though.
Yeah, we're going to be 1-5 probably after those six games. I agree this is likely the spot.
Purposely holding him out until its "easier" doesn't do anyone any good.
I tend to agree, but what if the Giants pull out a win and go to 1-2. Makes it harder to bench Eli at that point.
and that not a given saying we beat the Buc's and the Skin's
were not beating the Vikings or the Pats
it will be vital to have Tate, Shepard,Dickerson and Slayton
back healthy . That way we can feature Barkley more so
with a legitimate #1 WR and two blocking TE's with Ellison
and Dickerson . We could very well be win less and
that will be it for Eli . Even at 0-4 am I starting
Jones Vs Vikings
1. Empty seats
2. Seats filled with booing fans
If the Giants get blown out by the Bucs Mara may want to give the OK to start Jones, hoping to avoid these two scenarios at the next home game against the 'Skins.
You'll recall that Mara fired McAdoo in season (instead of waiting until the end of the year) in part to avoid those two things.
An 0-3 start with the Giants falling behind the 'Skins early and Eli still starting is a receipe for fan revolt.
Unless the Giants beat the Bucs I think Jones starts game 4 at home.
Nobody is saying he is the answer, people are just saying that there is no point in playing Eli.
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But heck, if it gets the yoyo's on here to stop chirping that'll be worth it. I'm sure starting Jones will help Baker cover better, Peppers make a play and Bethea out of whatever parallel universe he's been playing in. Hey and maybe when Jones fumbles on his second run from scrimmage he'll fumble it forward and we'll recover the ball! Yeah, I can see it all now, Jones is the ANSWER!
Nobody is saying he is the answer, people are just saying that there is no point in playing Eli.
Ok, I'll agree with that point.
1. Empty seats
2. Seats filled with booing fans
If the Giants get blown out by the Bucs Mara may want to give the OK to start Jones, hoping to avoid these two scenarios at the next home game against the 'Skins.
You'll recall that Mara fired McAdoo in season (instead of waiting until the end of the year) in part to avoid those two things.
An 0-3 start with the Giants falling behind the 'Skins early and Eli still starting is a receipe for fan revolt.
Unless the Giants beat the Bucs I think Jones starts game 4 at home.
I think a lot of Skins fans have given up on them as well
I can imagine a lot of empty seats in a Manning vs Keenum matchup of two 0-3 teams. Pretty sad state of affairs for two proud franchises.
Mayfield had that effect too.
And on that note... I remember prior to one of the preseason games, one of the pregame guys was talking about his experience on the Raiders when they finally started Derek Carr. He said all of the players knew it needed to be done and were starting to get a bit deflated and disengaged when it *wasn't* being done... and that once the trigger was pulled, the sense of excitement and commitment was palpable.
You're not giving up on a rookie QB that fast. We are not drafting another QB #1 next year
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The team will be bad enough to be in the running for Tua or one of the studs coming out next draft!!!!!
You're not giving up on a rookie QB that fast. We are not drafting another QB #1 next year
The Cards did, and it sure looks like Kyler Murray outclasses Rosen by a great deal.