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NGT : Lamar Jackson

cokeduplt : 9/16/2019 11:52 am
What do we think off him after these past two games. He’s putting up crazy numbers against some bad defenses but still. Is it possible that he’s the bes t QB from last years draft? I loved watching him in college but I was unsure if it would translate to the NFL.
I had thought he was  
Bill in UT : 9/16/2019 11:57 am : link
just a runner with a scatter arm, but I watched some of the AZ game yesterday and his passing impressed me. Yes, he could yet be the best of the batch
You  
AcidTest : 9/16/2019 11:58 am : link
can only play the teams on your schedule, but yes, he's looked very good, albeit against Miami and Arizona.
Yea I’m  
cokeduplt : 9/16/2019 11:58 am : link
Interested to see if he’ll keep it up against better teams. Looks very good so far.
His  
crick n NC : 9/16/2019 11:59 am : link
Numbers are certainly good, and the Ravens are 2-0. I honestly haven't watched him play, so I don't know the context of his stats. Of course the NFL is a marathon.
His chicken legs  
Karl Hungus : 9/16/2019 12:02 pm : link
are waiting to be broken.
RE: His chicken legs  
cokeduplt : 9/16/2019 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14580095 Karl Hungus said:
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are waiting to be broken.


Thanks for the insight
I'm surprised  
UConn4523 : 9/16/2019 12:05 pm : link
didn't think he'd have the passing in him since he looked like shit last year throwing. Good for him on getting better at that.
Ravens had an extra couple of pre-season games  
ZogZerg : 9/16/2019 12:10 pm : link
Regardless, he looks pretty good as a passer, from what I've seen.

I'm very curious to see  
Everyone Relax : 9/16/2019 12:11 pm : link
how he plays even against a decent team and in sub par conditions. I remember watching him last year throwing some really ugly passes when the weather conditions weren't optimal and there was a pass rush.
RE: His chicken legs  
j_rud : 9/16/2019 12:11 pm : link
In comment 14580095 Karl Hungus said:
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are waiting to be broken.


Well thats just like, your opinion man...
I was super questionable because he really didn't show anything he  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/16/2019 12:12 pm : link
Hasn't against a jv Miami team. Last week he was throwing accurately to the sidelines. Do it against a top defense and we'll be talking Mahomes vs Lamar.
I've taken to watching Ravens games because I'm sick of bad ball  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/16/2019 12:14 pm : link
He's an impressive young player, and hes a smart runner. He does not run to contact. That's been a big development. He looks for the throw, gives it time to develop, and then takes off to the sidelines.
He was way more of a  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 9/16/2019 12:46 pm : link
Pass first QB then anyone ever wanted admit at Louisville. He looked to pass and than ran which was often because the team around him stunk. He also increased his completion % year over year there.

We’ll see if he keeps it up against better competition.
So far so good  
justafan : 9/16/2019 12:48 pm : link
Let's see how he looks when he starts playing playoff contenders.
Let’s see him do it against good teams  
eli4life : 9/16/2019 12:48 pm : link
And not sure he can hold up in that style of play
RE: Let’s see him do it against good teams  
eli4life : 9/16/2019 12:49 pm : link
In comment 14580279 eli4life said:
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And not sure he can hold up in that style of play


Should be how long he can hold up
They built the right offense for him  
AcesUp : 9/16/2019 12:57 pm : link
He always had a good deep ball and they got him some burners to take advantage of that while creating space in the running game. It's an example of franchise seeing an opportunity in an unorthodox but talented QB falling to the bottom of the first round and having the vision to build an offense around him. Most teams and coaches square peg round hole it but Harbaugh and the Ravens took a chance on Jackson with a vision and a plan. I'm rooting for them in the AFC.
He's in a great spot  
arniefez : 9/16/2019 1:00 pm : link
with an excellent coach. That helps even more than Miami and AZ. I don't think he's a long term solution. Just not a good enough passer. The league especially the better defenses will shut him down when the games matter most.
RE: They built the right offense for him  
Greg from LI : 9/16/2019 1:00 pm : link
In comment 14580316 AcesUp said:
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He always had a good deep ball and they got him some burners to take advantage of that while creating space in the running game. It's an example of franchise seeing an opportunity in an unorthodox but talented QB falling to the bottom of the first round and having the vision to build an offense around him. Most teams and coaches square peg round hole it but Harbaugh and the Ravens took a chance on Jackson with a vision and a plan. I'm rooting for them in the AFC.


This is why, despite being a fan of his, I didn't want the Giants to draft him. I knew they'd never build an unorthodox offense around him, and trying to force him into a conventional offense wouldn't really work.
RE: They built the right offense for him  
bw in dc : 9/16/2019 1:02 pm : link
In comment 14580316 AcesUp said:
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He always had a good deep ball and they got him some burners to take advantage of that while creating space in the running game. It's an example of franchise seeing an opportunity in an unorthodox but talented QB falling to the bottom of the first round and having the vision to build an offense around him. Most teams and coaches square peg round hole it but Harbaugh and the Ravens took a chance on Jackson with a vision and a plan. I'm rooting for them in the AFC.


Two words - Greg Roman. He was in San Fran with Jim Harbaugh to build that offense around Kaepernick. He's very shrewd and underrated as an OC.

RE: RE: They built the right offense for him  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 9/16/2019 1:09 pm : link
In comment 14580334 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14580316 AcesUp said:


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He always had a good deep ball and they got him some burners to take advantage of that while creating space in the running game. It's an example of franchise seeing an opportunity in an unorthodox but talented QB falling to the bottom of the first round and having the vision to build an offense around him. Most teams and coaches square peg round hole it but Harbaugh and the Ravens took a chance on Jackson with a vision and a plan. I'm rooting for them in the AFC.



Two words - Greg Roman. He was in San Fran with Jim Harbaugh to build that offense around Kaepernick. He's very shrewd and underrated as an OC.


Possible next head coach of the Giants?
RE: RE: RE: They built the right offense for him  
bw in dc : 9/16/2019 1:15 pm : link
In comment 14580363 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Possible next head coach of the Giants?


Good question. I think he'd be worth an interview. I think you can throw out his stint as OC in Buffalo under Ryan because that was just a mess up there in Ryan's second year. But Roman did some nice work with Taylor...another mobile playmaker.
I haven't seen the highlights of him this season..  
BillKo : 9/16/2019 2:39 pm : link
...but the one I did see, his throwing motion looked much better.

Looked like a QB, not a dart thrower.
RE: I had thought he was  
santacruzom : 9/16/2019 2:43 pm : link
In comment 14580075 Bill in UT said:
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just a runner with a scatter arm, but I watched some of the AZ game yesterday and his passing impressed me. Yes, he could yet be the best of the batch


He placed a long pass down the sideline right in the motherflipping bucket. It was a ballsy throw, on 3rd down as they were working the clock at the end of the game. Had the Giants attempted it in a similar situation I would have lost my mind.
RE: RE: RE: They built the right offense for him  
santacruzom : 9/16/2019 2:58 pm : link
In comment 14580363 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Possible next head coach of the Giants?


Nah, the Giants will hire someone like Chuck Pagano.
Baltimore at Kansas City next weekend  
Jints in Carolina : 9/16/2019 4:21 pm : link
should be a good one.
He's looked good  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/16/2019 4:25 pm : link
and I'd love it if the Giants took a good look at what the Ravens have done. It was no easy decision for that organization to move on from Joe Flacco - a Super Bowl champion and a staple at starting QB for 10 years. But they did what had to be done and moved on.

There is a way to do it. Do what they did in regards to Eli.
RE: He's looked good  
Strahan91 : 9/16/2019 4:30 pm : link
In comment 14580889 Mike in Long Beach said:
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and I'd love it if the Giants took a good look at what the Ravens have done. It was no easy decision for that organization to move on from Joe Flacco - a Super Bowl champion and a staple at starting QB for 10 years. But they did what had to be done and moved on.

There is a way to do it. Do what they did in regards to Eli.

He did start the first 9 games last year. The Ravens were more talented though and a lot of people thought they were underperforming. The Giants don't have nearly the talent the Ravens do on defense. Did anyone expect the Giants to win more than a handful of games this year? While most of us would love to see Jones as soon as possible, we're pretty numb and indifferent about the Giants at this point.

Also, when looking up how many games Flacco started last year I saw that he threw 3 TD's in a 47-3 beatdown week 1. Wild that that was just over a year ago...
I didn't think he was the best in ghe draft  
Matt M. : 9/16/2019 4:42 pm : link
But, last year I did say I would consider a trade (up or down) to take him. I thoughthe had a shot to have the best fesults.

Tbat said, I wouldn't be foed by the last 2 games. He has never shown this accuracy/efficiency before. I'm vey interwsted to sse him against a decent D first. But, he is also the biggest weapon at the position running the ball.
RE: I didn't think he was the best in ghe draft  
bw in dc : 9/16/2019 4:51 pm : link
In comment 14580926 Matt M. said:
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But, last year I did say I would consider a trade (up or down) to take him. I thoughthe had a shot to have the best fesults.

Tbat said, I wouldn't be foed by the last 2 games. He has never shown this accuracy/efficiency before. I'm vey interwsted to sse him against a decent D first. But, he is also the biggest weapon at the position running the ball.


I threw my hat into the ring for LaJax in 2018. I thought there was enough athletically to invest in the potential upside.

If you look at his 3 years of Louisville, he was trending the right way for accuracy. He went: 54.7%, 56.2% and his last year was 59.1%. So he started to show signs of being a potentially reliable passer.

I still need to see more - as should most of us - but he's a real weapon so far. Harbaugh is a very smart coach. So Jax's development shouldn't come as a surprise...
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Go Terps : 9/16/2019 4:56 pm : link
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The Case for Lamar Jackson - ( New Window )
Maybe for LJ  
mrvax : 9/16/2019 5:00 pm : link
the game has slowed down a bit since last year. In 2018 he did not look good passing but all young QBs (excepy Murray) need a few years to adjust the increased speed of the pro game.

I believed LJ would have a good career and that Josh Allen would not. It's fun for me to see if these self predictions work out.

I liked the idea of Barkley + Jackson  
Sean : 9/16/2019 5:00 pm : link
Take Barkley at 2 and trade back into the first for Jackson. Would have posed a helluva dilemma for defenses.
RE: I liked the idea of Barkley + Jackson  
Go Terps : 9/16/2019 5:03 pm : link
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Take Barkley at 2 and trade back into the first for Jackson. Would have posed a helluva dilemma for defenses.


That would have meant no Eli, so for this ownership and front office that would have been a non starter. Besides, it's dubious as to whether Jackson would have sold as many Toyotas and as much Dunkin Donuts as Jones figures to.

Someone said this on a thread a little while back, and it was brilliant: the Giants don't try to win - they hope to win.

This organization is a fucking joke.
'This organization is a fucking joke.'  
Torrag : 9/16/2019 5:13 pm : link
Honestly take a pill or something. You've gone off the rails.
RE: 'This organization is a fucking joke.'  
Go Terps : 9/16/2019 5:18 pm : link
In comment 14581022 Torrag said:
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Honestly take a pill or something. You've gone off the rails.


You're right... They're doing great.
RE: .  
Tesla : 9/16/2019 5:23 pm : link
In comment 14580980 Go Terps said:
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. The Case for Lamar Jackson - ( New Window )


Hats off to you Go Terps....you look pretty damned good reading that thread in retrospect. Nicely done.
Terps...  
bw in dc : 9/16/2019 5:32 pm : link
Didn't you have Jones as your top QB prospect this year?

If so, I think it worked out for you... ;)
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Ten Ton Hammer : 9/16/2019 5:34 pm : link
In comment 14580980 Go Terps said:
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. The Case for Lamar Jackson - ( New Window )


Jesus, some fools in that thread.
RE: Terps...  
Go Terps : 9/16/2019 5:39 pm : link
In comment 14581076 bw in dc said:
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Didn't you have Jones as your top QB prospect this year?

If so, I think it worked out for you... ;)


Jones wouldn't have been my first selection, but if we were taking a first round quarterback it had to be him. It could not be Haskins or Lock.

But we should have taken Jackson last year.
Terps...  
bw in dc : 9/16/2019 5:50 pm : link
He's in a great spot in Baltimore because Harbaugh is a very adaptive coach - was willing to bench and move on from Flacco - and Roman is there. Roman is a great resource for Jax's style.

Taking Jax at #2 would have been over-drafting him. But taking him late first or second would have been the right value.

Trading down was the move  
Go Terps : 9/16/2019 6:01 pm : link
Or, taking Chubb/Nelson and trading back up into the first round to get Jackson would have worked too. The foolishness of drafting a running back #2 overall would have been softened by pairing him in a backfield with Jackson - that would have worked too.

But what we ended up actually doing didn't work.
Haven't read the entire thread but  
SomeFan : 9/16/2019 6:40 pm : link
I like his demeanor on the field. He is a much better passer than the average fan thought he would be. I think he is going to continue to get better because you can tell that he wants to do well. A gamer with bit talent.
"bit" should be "big"  
SomeFan : 9/16/2019 6:41 pm : link
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RE: Trading down was the move  
bw in dc : 9/16/2019 6:52 pm : link
In comment 14581132 Go Terps said:
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Or, taking Chubb/Nelson and trading back up into the first round to get Jackson would have worked too. The foolishness of drafting a running back #2 overall would have been softened by pairing him in a backfield with Jackson - that would have worked too.

But what we ended up actually doing didn't work.


We've been over this ground quite a bit. So I couldn't agree more.

Meanwhile, we invest the #2 pick in Barkely, who is a tremendous offensive machine, but we aren't fully utilizing his talents. His # of touches should be 30% more than they are now...at least.

Good to see you back on the board, btw. I take it the new little Terps has arrived?
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Go Terps : 9/16/2019 7:18 pm : link
In comment 14581199 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14581132 Go Terps said:


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Or, taking Chubb/Nelson and trading back up into the first round to get Jackson would have worked too. The foolishness of drafting a running back #2 overall would have been softened by pairing him in a backfield with Jackson - that would have worked too.

But what we ended up actually doing didn't work.



We've been over this ground quite a bit. So I couldn't agree more.

Meanwhile, we invest the #2 pick in Barkely, who is a tremendous offensive machine, but we aren't fully utilizing his talents. His # of touches should be 30% more than they are now...at least.

Good to see you back on the board, btw. I take it the new little Terps has arrived?


Not yet. Halloween. I was gonna take a break but if I don't vent here my brain will explode. It is incredible how poorly this team is managed and coached.

Completely agree on Barkley. Incredible player, completely wasted here. If they aren't going to fire Shurmur this week (I would, but they obviously won't), then they might as well trade Barkley before an injury or something lowers his value. We're not going anywhere for a while.
GT...  
bw in dc : 9/16/2019 7:46 pm : link
These three first rounders have to cause some concern, too.

Baker's confidence looks pretty shot already at corner (not sure they are scheming properly for him). Lawrence looks okay, but he needs to make a far better impression in the pass rush area. While I'm not a Jones guy (yet), he needs to play ASAP. But how can anyone be confident right now that he's in good hands with Shurmur?

So I think this narrative being pushed by some that Gettleman has nailed these two last drafts needs to be halted. Outside of Barkley, who is right in the mix for the league's best RB, where are the other true standouts from the Gettleman drafts?
RE: GT...  
Go Terps : 9/16/2019 8:04 pm : link
In comment 14581255 bw in dc said:
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These three first rounders have to cause some concern, too.

Baker's confidence looks pretty shot already at corner (not sure they are scheming properly for him). Lawrence looks okay, but he needs to make a far better impression in the pass rush area. While I'm not a Jones guy (yet), he needs to play ASAP. But how can anyone be confident right now that he's in good hands with Shurmur?

So I think this narrative being pushed by some that Gettleman has nailed these two last drafts needs to be halted. Outside of Barkley, who is right in the mix for the league's best RB, where are the other true standouts from the Gettleman drafts?


There aren't any. And while I like Lawrence I'm concerned his ceiling is a two down plugger (i.e. an outdated way to use the 17th pick overall).

My assessment is that we'll be "starting over" at GM and HC again after a bad 2020 season.
Lets wait untl Jackson plays a decent team before we comment  
PatersonPlank : 9/16/2019 8:24 pm : link
Miami and AZ just suck, like the Giants and maybe worse
RE: RE: I didn't think he was the best in ghe draft  
Matt M. : 9/16/2019 9:27 pm : link
In comment 14580961 bw in dc said:
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But, last year I did say I would consider a trade (up or down) to take him. I thoughthe had a shot to have the best fesults.

Tbat said, I wouldn't be foed by the last 2 games. He has never shown this accuracy/efficiency before. I'm vey interwsted to sse him against a decent D first. But, he is also the biggest weapon at the position running the ball.



I threw my hat into the ring for LaJax in 2018. I thought there was enough athletically to invest in the potential upside.

If you look at his 3 years of Louisville, he was trending the right way for accuracy. He went: 54.7%, 56.2% and his last year was 59.1%. So he started to show signs of being a potentially reliable passer.

I still need to see more - as should most of us - but he's a real weapon so far. Harbaugh is a very smart coach. So Jax's development shouldn't come as a surprise...
Agree. Personally, I absolutely wanted Barkley at #2, so I was a fan of trading up from the 2nd round to late first to grab Jackson also. Can you imagine how a bold move like that would have worked out.
RE: GT...  
Matt M. : 9/16/2019 9:35 pm : link
In comment 14581255 bw in dc said:
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These three first rounders have to cause some concern, too.

Baker's confidence looks pretty shot already at corner (not sure they are scheming properly for him). Lawrence looks okay, but he needs to make a far better impression in the pass rush area. While I'm not a Jones guy (yet), he needs to play ASAP. But how can anyone be confident right now that he's in good hands with Shurmur?

So I think this narrative being pushed by some that Gettleman has nailed these two last drafts needs to be halted. Outside of Barkley, who is right in the mix for the league's best RB, where are the other true standouts from the Gettleman drafts?
Agreed. Although, I do think Jones will be good. Lawrence I think will be good, but needs to be better than that.
RE: Lets wait untl Jackson plays a decent team before we comment  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/17/2019 7:07 am : link
In comment 14581318 PatersonPlank said:
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Miami and AZ just suck, like the Giants and maybe worse


I don't really understand this take. So Miami is bad. And they blew their doors off through the air. It's exactly what a good team should do. I'm not sure why we can't comment on it given that people were adamant that "he's a Runningback playing QB and can't throw"
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arcarsenal : 9/17/2019 8:54 am : link
Well, I liked him... Barkley + Jackson was what I wanted to see. I spent that entire linked thread up there arguing in favor of Jackson last year.

Granted, playing well against two bottom barrel teams is worth pointing out here. He's not Tim Tebow with a horrendous baseball wind up. The guy can throw and his legs make him very difficult to defend or keep in the pocket.

I would loved to have managed a Barkley/Jackson draft last year.

I didn't have much faith in Baltimore going anywhere last year with the way he was throwing the ball, but he's certainly made some improvements and looks better to me.
I think Jackson will make people look wrong and right  
widmerseyebrow : 9/17/2019 11:00 am : link
back and forth over several years. Running quarterbacks have absolutely had success in the league before. Sustaining that success, either by avoiding injury or becoming good pocket passers, has been rare.
RE: I think Jackson will make people look wrong and right  
Greg from LI : 9/17/2019 11:08 am : link
In comment 14582772 widmerseyebrow said:
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back and forth over several years. Running quarterbacks have absolutely had success in the league before. Sustaining that success, either by avoiding injury or becoming good pocket passers, has been rare.


Cmon, man, this is the same stuff people were saying in that 18 month old thread Terps linked. I said it in that thread and I'll say it again - he's NOT a "running QB" in the sense most people use the term. He's a passer who is also an incredible runner. He doesn't just bolt the pocket at the first available opportunity, he runs to buy time while still looking to get the ball downfield.
RE: RE: I think Jackson will make people look wrong and right  
AndyMilligan : 9/17/2019 11:20 am : link
In comment 14582807 Greg from LI said:
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back and forth over several years. Running quarterbacks have absolutely had success in the league before. Sustaining that success, either by avoiding injury or becoming good pocket passers, has been rare.



Cmon, man, this is the same stuff people were saying in that 18 month old thread Terps linked. I said it in that thread and I'll say it again - he's NOT a "running QB" in the sense most people use the term. He's a passer who is also an incredible runner. He doesn't just bolt the pocket at the first available opportunity, he runs to buy time while still looking to get the ball downfield.

I quite like what we have seen from Lamar. And I think now it was a blunder for so many teams to overlook him, but he has had accuracy issues on short and intermediate passes. Lofting long balls he has no problems with.
RE: 'This organization is a fucking joke.'  
santacruzom : 9/17/2019 3:24 pm : link
In comment 14581022 Torrag said:
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Honestly take a pill or something. You've gone off the rails.


People always say that, but Terps always winds up being right.
RE: RE: Terps...  
santacruzom : 9/17/2019 4:02 pm : link
In comment 14581083 Go Terps said:
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Didn't you have Jones as your top QB prospect this year?

If so, I think it worked out for you... ;)



Jones wouldn't have been my first selection, but if we were taking a first round quarterback it had to be him. It could not be Haskins or Lock.

But we should have taken Jackson last year.


What's depressing to ponder: I bet it wasn't even remotely a consideration. I imagine the Giants literally would not have drafted Jackson no matter what.
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