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1st sign that a QB change is coming soon:

Tom in NY : 9/16/2019 12:21 pm
From this morning's Shurmur conference call:


Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Shurmur said Eli’s been the starter to this point. He wouldn’t commit to anything beyond that. Said they’re looking at everything going forward.
12:18 PM · Sep 16, 2019·Twitter for iPhone
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That would seem to be a big red flare in the sky to me.
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Re: Tanney  
GRBlue : 9/16/2019 3:21 pm : link
Someone nailed this when Lauletta got cut...

This is likely the reason Tanney is still around. Once they commit fully to DJ, you have to imagine Eli’s camp/DG will see if there’s any value out there in a trade. Makes sense to have a vet around DJ.
RE: Changing the plan  
V.I.G. : 9/16/2019 3:21 pm : link
In comment 14580690 Dankbeerman said:
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no matter the course or reasoning 2 games in reeks of desperation. If they had a plan regardless of what it was and they throw it out the window now what was the point. Jones should have started game 1 if he starts game 3.

I still think Eli gets 6 losses before we pull the plug.

You may be right, but if we lose this weekend, BBI's servers will melt
RE: Re: Tanney  
Jay on the Island : 9/16/2019 3:23 pm : link
In comment 14580737 GRBlue said:
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Someone nailed this when Lauletta got cut...

This is likely the reason Tanney is still around. Once they commit fully to DJ, you have to imagine Eli’s camp/DG will see if there’s any value out there in a trade. Makes sense to have a vet around DJ.

I've been saying this the past few days but I wasn't suggesting a trade I was suggesting releasing Eli allowing him to go to the team of his choice.
RE: RE: Changing the plan  
DavidinBMNY : 9/16/2019 3:30 pm : link
In comment 14580740 V.I.G. said:
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In comment 14580690 Dankbeerman said:


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no matter the course or reasoning 2 games in reeks of desperation. If they had a plan regardless of what it was and they throw it out the window now what was the point. Jones should have started game 1 if he starts game 3.

I still think Eli gets 6 losses before we pull the plug.


You may be right, but if we lose this weekend, BBI's servers will melt
I don't think so. There plan was based on being competitive. Meaning winning a little. If Eli just loses all the time, no point keeping him in there. There has been 1 game in 15 years another QB started. It's time to see what someone else can do. Eli has the improved OL. He's still not getting it done. Jones can also not get it done and gain valuable experience. It's time.
RE: RE: Re: Tanney  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/16/2019 3:33 pm : link
In comment 14580743 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14580737 GRBlue said:


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Someone nailed this when Lauletta got cut...

This is likely the reason Tanney is still around. Once they commit fully to DJ, you have to imagine Eli’s camp/DG will see if there’s any value out there in a trade. Makes sense to have a vet around DJ.


I've been saying this the past few days but I wasn't suggesting a trade I was suggesting releasing Eli allowing him to go to the team of his choice.


I agree with releasing him if Eli wants to keep playing this year and there is someone out there who wants him.
RE: RE: i get why people want ELI out but i think its just unfair  
Reale01 : 9/16/2019 3:38 pm : link
In comment 14580732 V.I.G. said:
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In comment 14580626 GMAN4LIFE said:


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eli finally has a decent line and now no weapons for him to use. Its just fucked up


Come on already. Please?
These guys are open enough.

Eli is either
-missing them
-staring em down
-throwing too late
-or some combination of the above

Even when we had OBJ, Eli was
-missing them
-staring em down
-throwing too late
-or some combination of the above


IMO Eli has played much better this year. I see less panic and more decisiveness. Mostly good throws. The defense is horrible - beyond horrible.
RE: RE: i get why people want ELI out but i think its just unfair  
Nine-Tails : 9/16/2019 3:39 pm : link
In comment 14580732 V.I.G. said:
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In comment 14580626 GMAN4LIFE said:


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eli finally has a decent line and now no weapons for him to use. Its just fucked up


Come on already. Please?
These guys are open enough.

Eli is either
-missing them
-staring em down
-throwing too late
-or some combination of the above

Even when we had OBJ, Eli was
-missing them
-staring em down
-throwing too late
-or some combination of the above


Yep and many were pointing to spreading the love around without OBJ
RE: RE: RE: Re: Tanney  
Diver_Down : 9/16/2019 3:47 pm : link
In comment 14580773 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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In comment 14580743 Jay on the Island said:


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In comment 14580737 GRBlue said:


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Someone nailed this when Lauletta got cut...

This is likely the reason Tanney is still around. Once they commit fully to DJ, you have to imagine Eli’s camp/DG will see if there’s any value out there in a trade. Makes sense to have a vet around DJ.


I've been saying this the past few days but I wasn't suggesting a trade I was suggesting releasing Eli allowing him to go to the team of his choice.



I agree with releasing him if Eli wants to keep playing this year and there is someone out there who wants him.


Just so that whomever floated that idea realizes there is no cap savings by releasing him. Manning has a NTC that he can waive so he is in control of where he goes. So the basis of the theory that Manning has control when released doesn't hold water. While many say he has no trade value, I disagree. If only for the purpose of saving to pay his salary and allowing Manning to continue to play, DG could work out a late round pick.
RE: Re: Tanney  
jcn56 : 9/16/2019 3:49 pm : link
In comment 14580737 GRBlue said:
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Someone nailed this when Lauletta got cut...

This is likely the reason Tanney is still around. Once they commit fully to DJ, you have to imagine Eli’s camp/DG will see if there’s any value out there in a trade. Makes sense to have a vet around DJ.


That's nonsense. There are veteran QBs available - there's a good chance that Tanney himself wouldn't be on a roster if the Giants had released him.

If they go with Jones, there's no turning back, no matter how awful they are. So which veteran backup QB is irrelevant. Keeping Tanney around was just plain stupid.
RE: RE: RE: i get why people want ELI out but i think its just unfair  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/16/2019 3:50 pm : link
In comment 14580791 Reale01 said:
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In comment 14580732 V.I.G. said:


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In comment 14580626 GMAN4LIFE said:


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eli finally has a decent line and now no weapons for him to use. Its just fucked up


Come on already. Please?
These guys are open enough.

Eli is either
-missing them
-staring em down
-throwing too late
-or some combination of the above

Even when we had OBJ, Eli was
-missing them
-staring em down
-throwing too late
-or some combination of the above



IMO Eli has played much better this year. I see less panic and more decisiveness. Mostly good throws.



Where are the points? Where is the third down success? Why is the opposing defense just targeting saquon and not worried about the pass?

RE: RE: RE: i get why people want ELI out but i think its just unfair  
Nine-Tails : 9/16/2019 3:58 pm : link
In comment 14580791 Reale01 said:
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In comment 14580732 V.I.G. said:


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In comment 14580626 GMAN4LIFE said:


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eli finally has a decent line and now no weapons for him to use. Its just fucked up


Come on already. Please?
These guys are open enough.

Eli is either
-missing them
-staring em down
-throwing too late
-or some combination of the above

Even when we had OBJ, Eli was
-missing them
-staring em down
-throwing too late
-or some combination of the above



IMO Eli has played much better this year. I see less panic and more decisiveness. Mostly good throws. The defense is horrible - beyond horrible.


Hit me up with the rosemary glasses you got
RE: Changing the plan  
ron mexico : 9/16/2019 4:04 pm : link
In comment 14580690 Dankbeerman said:
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no matter the course or reasoning 2 games in reeks of desperation. If they had a plan regardless of what it was and they throw it out the window now what was the point. Jones should have started game 1 if he starts game 3.

I still think Eli gets 6 losses before we pull the plug.


yeah, the fact that it reeks of desperation and brings into question how good of a plan it was to begin, and how capable those planners are, is probably reason #1 Gettleman and Mara wont let him do it.

RE: RE: RE: RE: i get why people want ELI out but i think its just unfair  
V.I.G. : 9/16/2019 4:05 pm : link
In comment 14580835 Nine-Tails said:
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In comment 14580791 Reale01 said:

Hit me up with the rosemary glasses you got

RE: i get why people want ELI out but i think its just unfair  
jvm52106 : 9/16/2019 4:06 pm : link
In comment 14580626 GMAN4LIFE said:
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eli finally has a decent line and now no weapons for him to use. Its just fucked up


No offense but you can see Eli being unable to take players to the next level and his own play is just nothing more than bottom tier of the league. No offense but the guys Eli has are the same guys Jones would have... I truly believe Jones will get more out of them..
Why would Eli need the opportunity for both Shep and Tate?  
Matt M. : 9/16/2019 4:08 pm : link
He is supposed to be a franchise QB,which means he should be able to manufacture some wins. That is something he has done on only very rare occasions over the last few seasons.
RE: RE: RE: i get why people want ELI out but i think its just unfair  
Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2019 4:09 pm : link
In comment 14580791 Reale01 said:
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IMO Eli has played much better this year. I see less panic and more decisiveness. Mostly good throws. The defense is horrible - beyond horrible.


Maybe you're on to something...lets get the Defense out of there.
I think Eli is now just 2 games over 500 for his career  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/16/2019 4:09 pm : link
It just won't look great if he retires with a sub 500 record. I'd like to get him out of there, if for nothing else than preserved a well-earned legacy as a winner.
RE: RE: RE: i get why people want ELI out but i think its just unfair  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/16/2019 4:10 pm : link
In comment 14580791 Reale01 said:
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In comment 14580732 V.I.G. said:


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In comment 14580626 GMAN4LIFE said:


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eli finally has a decent line and now no weapons for him to use. Its just fucked up


Come on already. Please?
These guys are open enough.

Eli is either
-missing them
-staring em down
-throwing too late
-or some combination of the above

Even when we had OBJ, Eli was
-missing them
-staring em down
-throwing too late
-or some combination of the above



IMO Eli has played much better this year. I see less panic and more decisiveness. Mostly good throws. The defense is horrible - beyond horrible.

Shurpmur came up with the perfect gameplan to get down by two or more scores against the best pass D in the league with a decimated receiving corp.


Eli looks faster this year, was outrunning Ed Oliver ffs.
RE: I think Eli is now just 2 games over 500 for his career  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/16/2019 4:11 pm : link
In comment 14580857 Mike in Long Beach said:
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It just won't look great if he retires with a sub 500 record. I'd like to get him out of there, if for nothing else than preserved a well-earned legacy as a winner.


He's exactly .500 now, sadly.
RE: Michael kay is an idiot  
BillKo : 9/16/2019 4:12 pm : link
In comment 14580718 nygiants16 said:
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ripping the giants for thinking about making a change ecause he thinks they are doing it for a spark...refuses to listen to lagreca for saying this is about getting jones ready


Well, the team needs a spark. They have ZERO juice going right now.

And honestly, only a change at QB can do that..........
The Tanney comments are comical  
RollBlue : 9/16/2019 4:14 pm : link
he's still be on his couch if we had cut him. If they do somehow find a way to move Eli (not likely) they could easily bring back Tanney.
RE: Based on his his tone and body language  
santacruzom : 9/16/2019 4:15 pm : link
In comment 14580347 jlukes said:
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I truly believe Shurmur has his hands tied by ownership. It looks and sounds like he wants Jones on the field


It's impossible to know for sure but I absolutely would not discount that possibility. And I'm torn. On the one hand, ownership should not prevent their coach from starting the QB he believes is best-suited for his offense. On the other, the coach is fucking Pat Shurmur.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: i get why people want ELI out but i think its just unfair  
Nine-Tails : 9/16/2019 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14580843 V.I.G. said:
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In comment 14580835 Nine-Tails said:


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In comment 14580791 Reale01 said:

Hit me up with the rosemary glasses you got




Thanks man : )
RE: RE: I think Eli is now just 2 games over 500 for his career  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/16/2019 4:17 pm : link
In comment 14580862 Dave in Hoboken said:
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It just won't look great if he retires with a sub 500 record. I'd like to get him out of there, if for nothing else than preserved a well-earned legacy as a winner.



He's exactly .500 now, sadly.


I think that's just regular season, but that is true. With the postseason he's 2 over now. 8-6, I believe.
You either believe Jints Central exists  
Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2019 4:19 pm : link
or you don't.

Pick a side.

bw - can you please keep the tally...
Never mind, He's 8-4 in the playoffs  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/16/2019 4:21 pm : link
Which puts him at 124-120 for his career.
RE: The Tanney comments are comical  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/16/2019 4:24 pm : link
In comment 14580870 RollBlue said:
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he's still be on his couch if we had cut him. If they do somehow find a way to move Eli (not likely) they could easily bring back Tanney.

I'm not keen on starting Jones with Shurrmur's poor decision making.

wtf is Tannet on this team??????
I think we should make the switch to Jones..  
Sean : 9/16/2019 4:30 pm : link
But, we paid Eli $23M this year to start 2 games? That money could have been invested in the defense. This is the stuff that makes people think the Giants have no plan.
RE: I think we should make the switch to Jones..  
Danny Dimes : 9/16/2019 4:35 pm : link
In comment 14580894 Sean said:
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But, we paid Eli $23M this year to start 2 games? That money could have been invested in the defense. This is the stuff that makes people think the Giants have no plan.


The contract was made 5 years ago. Eli looking like he intentionally whats to retire. Giants are dumb for not getting back sing a magic 8 ball before giving him that contract. Good news is Eli broomed me up and even gave me his head coach so that itself is worth the money
RE: I think we should make the switch to Jones..  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/16/2019 4:36 pm : link
In comment 14580894 Sean said:
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But, we paid Eli $23M this year to start 2 games? That money could have been invested in the defense. This is the stuff that makes people think the Giants have no plan.


I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing... but I think they did have a plan, and they really thought this was a roster capable of winning football games. So they invested in a proven commodity like Eli Manning.

But I can't decide what's worse: The team having no plan, or the team thinking what they put on the field this year was a good plan.
RE: RE: I think we should make the switch to Jones..  
jcn56 : 9/16/2019 4:42 pm : link
In comment 14580903 Mike in Long Beach said:
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In comment 14580894 Sean said:


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But, we paid Eli $23M this year to start 2 games? That money could have been invested in the defense. This is the stuff that makes people think the Giants have no plan.



I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing... but I think they did have a plan, and they really thought this was a roster capable of winning football games. So they invested in a proven commodity like Eli Manning.

But I can't decide what's worse: The team having no plan, or the team thinking what they put on the field this year was a good plan.


I suspect it's the latter, and that's way worse. Giving Eli one final year at gunpoint even if you think he's done, at least it means you're assessing the talent on the roster properly.

The number of stop gaps these guys have employed since 2017 leads me to believe they honestly thought this thing was close. Maybe not close in terms of a SB, but at least a winning record. And they were way off in that assessment.
RE: I think we should make the switch to Jones..  
Go Terps : 9/16/2019 4:46 pm : link
In comment 14580894 Sean said:
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But, we paid Eli $23M this year to start 2 games? That money could have been invested in the defense. This is the stuff that makes people think the Giants have no plan.


Go back to threads from February-March and you will see many of us pointing this out then. I must have listed what we could do with that money ten times.

Incompetence from Mara, Tisch, and Gettleman. Absolute incompetence.
Once Again, It"s What They're Doing, It's How...  
clatterbuck : 9/16/2019 4:48 pm : link
If the gameplan was to make the switch at the first sign of adversity and the season heading south...
If they pretty much knew the defense was going to be terrible and they were going to play the rookies to let them learn while taking their lumps...
If they knew or had a clue ditching OBJ would leave the receiving corps and the offense without a credible threat other than Barkley...
If they knew the goal was to play Jones, let him learn as much as possible while they headed toward another top-five pick and a boatload of 2020 cap room...
If they knew this season was just a second leg of multiple year "plan..."
Then they should have made the break after they drafted Jones, given Manning the opportunity for the proper send off he deserves. They should not have fostered a week-to-week speculative, BS QB controversy game that is unfair to Jones, the fan base, and grossly unfair to Manning.

It's not Manning's fault the defense sucks. It's not Manning's fault productive years were wasted on teams with dysfunctional offensive lines, dysfunctional offensive systems, and poor coaching. It's not Manning's fault management and ownership couldn't find a way to deal with a generational talent like Beckham. Team "culture" is fine but it can't cover tight ends over the middle, get the defense off the field on third down, or run the right pass route and catch the damn ball. I'm in my seventh decade of living with the Giants. I may die before I see another really good Giants team. That sucks.
RE: I would not make the switch  
mrvax : 9/16/2019 4:49 pm : link
In comment 14580177 cactus said:
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until Shepard and Tate are playing. There's very little separation there for Eli to take advantage of, it's not going to be any different for Jones. Do they really want to put him into a situation like he was in at Duke???


I'm a big Eli fan and from what I've seen, I think DJ will do better than Eli. Sure both QBs would have less than stellar WRs but Jones can make quite a few plays better just by using his legs. I'm NOT suggesting DJ should run the ball a lot either. 2-3 a game maybe, quick roll outs and ability to move quickly away from a pass rush.
RE: RE: I think we should make the switch to Jones..  
AcesUp : 9/16/2019 4:54 pm : link
In comment 14580903 Mike in Long Beach said:
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In comment 14580894 Sean said:


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But, we paid Eli $23M this year to start 2 games? That money could have been invested in the defense. This is the stuff that makes people think the Giants have no plan.



I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing... but I think they did have a plan, and they really thought this was a roster capable of winning football games. So they invested in a proven commodity like Eli Manning.

But I can't decide what's worse: The team having no plan, or the team thinking what they put on the field this year was a good plan.


They strongly believe in bridging a rookie with a veteran. That, the timing of his roster bonus prior to the draft, respect to Eli letting him play out his contract and a dash of hope are what led to the 23M cap number. I didn't agree with it, I felt they should have released Eli and made a move for Keenum as a cheaper bridge guy that fits this O better but it is what it is. We'd still be 0-2 now though and people would blame that move for the bad start and would be crushing the front office all the same. They had to make a decision on Eli before the offseason, before they knew they would get their QB in the draft, so it's not as egregious as some make out it to be.
There are many things to consider as to when it makes  
Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2019 4:56 pm : link
the most sense to let Jones start.

But I would hope that the team they are playing is way down at the bottom of that list...
I heard this morning Shurmur left door open  
joeinpa : 9/16/2019 5:14 pm : link
I listened to Francesa s Interview.

Surprised it took so long to surface here. If you listened to Shurmur speak of Allen extending plays and other quarterbacks around the league doing the same, pretty easy to discern he s ready to play Jones.

Not the first time I ve heard him mention this
He is a top 10 pick  
mdc1 : 9/16/2019 5:14 pm : link
seriously? Many things to consider? we are 0-2.
I wait for the fox sunday  
mdc1 : 9/16/2019 5:15 pm : link
narrative about Eli. A narrative is required by our gutless owners.
RE: I heard this morning Shurmur left door open  
Nine-Tails : 9/16/2019 5:19 pm : link
In comment 14581025 joeinpa said:
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I listened to Francesa s Interview.

Surprised it took so long to surface here. If you listened to Shurmur speak of Allen extending plays and other quarterbacks around the league doing the same, pretty easy to discern he s ready to play Jones.

Not the first time I ve heard him mention this


Also he added that Jones skillset in regards to making plays on the move is superior to Eli’s
RE: RE: RE: Changing the plan  
Dankbeerman : 9/16/2019 5:25 pm : link
In comment 14580759 DavidinBMNY said:
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no matter the course or reasoning 2 games in reeks of desperation. If they had a plan regardless of what it was and they throw it out the window now what was the point. Jones should have started game 1 if he starts game 3.

I still think Eli gets 6 losses before we pull the plug.


You may be right, but if we lose this weekend, BBI's servers will melt

I don't think so. There plan was based on being competitive. Meaning winning a little. If Eli just loses all the time, no point keeping him in there. There has been 1 game in 15 years another QB started. It's time to see what someone else can do. Eli has the improved OL. He's still not getting it done. Jones can also not get it done and gain valuable experience. It's time.


its been 2 games did they really expect they would be 2-0?
RE: So let me make sure i understand this  
81_Great_Dane : 9/16/2019 5:42 pm : link
In comment 14580308 arniefez said:
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HC with a .294 winning percentage is thinking about playing his rookie QB after 2 games? Probably the only chance he has to be back next year so it makes perfect sense.
It's also the right thing to do.
Risk of DJ Starting  
DeepBlueJint : 9/16/2019 8:25 pm : link
Offensive line appears better, no? Use Saquon to the max. I believe the Giants need to find out how pathetic or how good the current offense is with DJ. It will help determine what to do in the next off season free agency and draft.
Once the cat is out of the bag  
DavidinBMNY : 9/16/2019 8:54 pm : link
You have to commit. This team has been wishy washy on lots of things. If it's time - do it.
Eli Manning is predictable...  
Fishmanjim57 : 9/16/2019 8:57 pm : link
The entire NFL knows what he's able to do on each play in every game. They also know that his long game is done.
I know that the owners of this team are not prone to make sudden changes, and that they are very loyal to their players. Eli Manning gave them two Super Bowl Championships against a true and tested dynasty. They have promised Eli that the Giants are his team as long as he can put on the jersey.
We fans are stuck between loving what Eli gave us in the past, and what Daniel Jones could bring us in the future.
In case Mr. Mara doesn't realize it yet, the future is now.
Start Jones NOW!
Eli to the Jets  
upnyg : 9/16/2019 9:50 pm : link
Would keep Eli home, not sure the fans or ownership would want it, but the Jets look thin at QB today.
The Giants Facebook page posted  
darren in pdx : 9/16/2019 10:23 pm : link
an article about Pat Shurmur's comments today. Definitely feels like the PR team is gauging the reactions of the fans and media..Gettleman has said it's Shurmur's decision when to make the QB switch..who knows how truthful that is. My guess is that Eli gets the chance to go 0 -4 before being swapped out, but I wouldn't shocked if an announcement is made in the next couple of days..
Pat Shurmur talks Giants quarterbacks - ( New Window )
RE: RE: I think we should make the switch to Jones..  
joeinpa : 9/17/2019 6:48 am : link
In comment 14580903 Mike in Long Beach said:
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In comment 14580894 Sean said:


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But, we paid Eli $23M this year to start 2 games? That money could have been invested in the defense. This is the stuff that makes people think the Giants have no plan.



I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing... but I think they did have a plan, and they really thought this was a roster capable of winning football games. So they invested in a proven commodity like Eli Manning.

But I can't decide what's worse: The team having no plan, or the team thinking what they put on the field this year was a good plan.


Thinking they could win by retooling their roster has been the plan since 2012. I think it was the result of Eli taking a mediocre team in 11 to a championship.

It s led to 7 years of pretty bad football. Thinking Eli. Could lead this team to the playoffs again this season ,after watching 8-24, was beyond ridiculous.
Well at least Odell isn't making us look bad  
WillieYoung : 9/17/2019 7:22 am : link
Oh wait,,,
the is now!  
xtian : 9/17/2019 11:06 am : link
Official announcement: Jones is starting QB this Sunday against Tampa Bay.
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