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1st sign that a QB change is coming soon:

Tom in NY : 9/16/2019 12:21 pm
From this morning's Shurmur conference call:


Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Shurmur said Eli’s been the starter to this point. He wouldn’t commit to anything beyond that. Said they’re looking at everything going forward.
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That would seem to be a big red flare in the sky to me.
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RE: RE: ...  
Vanzetti : 9/16/2019 12:48 pm : link
In comment 14580196 aka dbrny said:
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In comment 14580165 Eric from BBI said:


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New York Giants
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Coach Shurmur: Cody Latimer has a concussion. Sterling Shepard is improving from his concussion.



If the NFL was serious about player safety, they would allow a coaches challenge on helmet to helmet. That was a serious hit/non-call.



Excellent point. You basically nailed their hypocrisy
People who think there's a trade market for Eli  
Heisenberg : 9/16/2019 12:50 pm : link
are pretty much delusional.
RE: Shurmur could also just be toying with Tampa  
Diver_Down : 9/16/2019 12:50 pm : link
In comment 14580259 Jimmy Meatballs said:
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so they have to game plan for 2 QB’s


With Tampa, they have to game plan for 4 QBs. They never know which version of Winston they will get.
RE: Here  
Br00klyn : 9/16/2019 12:50 pm : link
In comment 14580276 AcidTest said:
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is what I think may happen:

Eli starts the game, but Jones replaces him if Eli falters and the Giants get down by 14 points. If that doesn't happen, then Jones starts against the Redskins.


I just dont see the point, let the kid know hes starting and give him the week to prepare. Try to set him up with the best chance to succeed
The biggest downside playing Jones  
Go Terps : 9/16/2019 12:51 pm : link
If he plays well it will obscure the fact that Gettleman and Shurmur are incompetent and need to be replaced.

Jones could be Joe Montana and it won't matter with these people running the team. Eli is shot and needs to be replaced immediately, but we shouldn't lose sight that his continued pathetic presence is a symptom of a much larger and deeper problem.
RE: RE: Shurmur could also just be toying with Tampa  
Jon in NYC : 9/16/2019 12:51 pm : link
In comment 14580287 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 14580259 Jimmy Meatballs said:


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so they have to game plan for 2 QB’s



With Tampa, they have to game plan for 4 QBs. They never know which version of Winston they will get.


Wow this was a great post.
I disagree that Eli  
mittenedman : 9/16/2019 12:51 pm : link
would look good anywhere. He is not an NFL QB anymore. He is as done as any player I’ve seen, and actually has been for years now.
RE: RE: RE: RE: If Drew Brees  
Big Rick in FL : 9/16/2019 12:53 pm : link
In comment 14580265 V.I.G. said:
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In comment 14580256 Big Rick in FL said:


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He's completing 58% of his passes for 283 yards with 1 TD and 1 INT and 1 fumble lost.


kind of late 30s eli numbers, no?


Sadly even Eli's numbers have been better
RE: The biggest downside playing Jones  
hitdog42 : 9/16/2019 12:53 pm : link
In comment 14580290 Go Terps said:
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If he plays well it will obscure the fact that Gettleman and Shurmur are incompetent and need to be replaced.

Jones could be Joe Montana and it won't matter with these people running the team. Eli is shot and needs to be replaced immediately, but we shouldn't lose sight that his continued pathetic presence is a symptom of a much larger and deeper problem.


facts
RE: RE: Shurmur could also just be toying with Tampa  
Nine-Tails : 9/16/2019 12:54 pm : link
In comment 14580287 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 14580259 Jimmy Meatballs said:


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so they have to game plan for 2 QB’s



With Tampa, they have to game plan for 4 QBs. They never know which version of Winston they will get.


I think it comes down to if they can force turnovers. It’s given that Winston will move the ball. If we can’t get turnovers, he’ll light it up against us
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/16/2019 12:54 pm : link
Ryan Dunleavy
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Eli Manning is handling questions about his shaken job security like a pro but finally said ‘let’s stay away from the ifs...’ #giants
RE: The biggest downside playing Jones  
V.I.G. : 9/16/2019 12:55 pm : link
In comment 14580290 Go Terps said:
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If he plays well it will obscure the fact that Gettleman and Shurmur are incompetent and need to be replaced.

Jones could be Joe Montana and it won't matter with these people running the team. Eli is shot and needs to be replaced immediately, but we shouldn't lose sight that his continued pathetic presence is a symptom of a much larger and deeper problem.

That makes little sense. If jones is the goods doesn’t that show that DG did his job and shurmur can run an offense with another QB? If anything it shows that Mara didn’t do his by interfering.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/16/2019 12:56 pm : link
New York Giants
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Eli Manning: We have a stud running back in Saquon, so we know teams are going to try to stop the run...we have to throw the ball better than we have been, especially on third downs.
So let me make sure i understand this  
arniefez : 9/16/2019 12:56 pm : link
HC with a .294 winning percentage is thinking about playing his rookie QB after 2 games? Probably the only chance he has to be back next year so it makes perfect sense.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/16/2019 12:56 pm : link
Dan Duggan
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Eli said nothing changes for him. He’s getting ready to play this week.
This is a very bad way to do this  
Rudy5757 : 9/16/2019 12:56 pm : link
Even if Shurmur was to make a change, you dont do it in the media. By handling it this was he is basically saying I want to make a change but I have to wait for ownership to give me permission. He is creating a media feeding frenzy.

While I believe that Jones should start, this is once again the wrong way to handle the situation. Make the decision, tell the players 1st, then tell the media.

This franchise is a joke from ownership down to the coach
Oline  
RIGiantsguy : 9/16/2019 12:57 pm : link
The oline is (knock on wood) relatively healthy right now. It's only fair to give Jones a chance behind the same protection Eli has been afforded this year. Why wait to throw Jones in there when injuries pile up, the weather gets worse and the schedule gets harder. This move makes too much sense....
RE: Wait another game or so  
japanhead : 9/16/2019 12:57 pm : link
In comment 14580217 Elisha10 said:
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Eli is right behind Big Ben in all time yards and TD passes, yes I care!


as sad as it makes me to say it, ben has shown himself to be the better quarterback and a few more one-TD performances from eli won't change that. ben has more yards and TD passes than eli and he's done it in about 16 fewer games played.
Funny thing: It's been almost exactly 40 years...  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/16/2019 12:57 pm : link
...since the winless 1979 Giants gave the #7 pick in the Draft his first start, against... Tampa Bay. Seems like yesterday.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/16/2019 12:58 pm : link
Dan Duggan
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Replying to
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Eli said hos conversations with Shurmur since yesterday have been no different. He said it’s not important to get clarity on his situation.
RE: ...  
eli4life : 9/16/2019 12:59 pm : link
In comment 14580301 Eric from BBI said:
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Ryan Dunleavy
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Eli Manning is handling questions about his shaken job security like a pro but finally said ‘let’s stay away from the ifs...’ #giants


Sadly when you have a great player at the end of his career it ends like this more times than not.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/16/2019 12:59 pm : link
Tom Rock
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Eli after a few questions about the possibility of a change at quarterback:

“Let’s stay away from the ifs.”
And BBI starts  
exiled : 9/16/2019 12:59 pm : link
dancing in the street
RE: ...  
JPinstripes : 9/16/2019 12:59 pm : link
In comment 14580310 Eric from BBI said:
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Dan Duggan
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Eli said nothing changes for him. He’s getting ready to play this week.


Why change a thing if you're Eli making a cool 1.5M weekly (in season)???
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/16/2019 12:59 pm : link
Paul Schwartz
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Eli Manning just finished his media session/inquisition. Said he’s preparing to play as usual. Hasn’t heard anything from Shurmur to suggest otherwise.
Sounded weary of the subject of his job security that his head coach decided to make public today.
RE: Oline  
AcidTest : 9/16/2019 1:00 pm : link
In comment 14580312 RIGiantsguy said:
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The oline is (knock on wood) relatively healthy right now. It's only fair to give Jones a chance behind the same protection Eli has been afforded this year. Why wait to throw Jones in there when injuries pile up, the weather gets worse and the schedule gets harder. This move makes too much sense....


Excellent point, and one that isn't often noted. Jones has the best chance to succeed while we are still relatively healthy, and the weather is still good.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/16/2019 1:01 pm : link
Jordan Raanan
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Eli Manning says at this pt “nothing changes.” He says there haven’t been any conversations w/coaches + management about starting status. Says Giants “0-2 and looking for answers. I get it. When you draft a guy early and you’re not winning games, these were going to come up.”
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/16/2019 1:01 pm : link
Tom Rock
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Tough day for the 2004 quarterback class.
Put the kid in  
PetesHereNow : 9/16/2019 1:02 pm : link
Stop with the twisting in the wind of an all time great Giant. It is clear this is not a winning team. Might as well get the kid the game experience.
Not sure  
Tim in VA : 9/16/2019 1:02 pm : link
Why anybody gives a shit. We're going nowhere with our coaching staff.
RE: Not sure  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/16/2019 1:03 pm : link
In comment 14580336 Tim in VA said:
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Why anybody gives a shit. We're going nowhere with our coaching staff.


You don't think the move away from a QB who has been starting for this team since 2004 is a big deal?
could this be shurmur trying to put pressure on mara?  
nygiants16 : 9/16/2019 1:03 pm : link
if he had free reign to make a change and if he wants to make a change he wouls jist do it, no reason to put it out in the media...
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/16/2019 1:04 pm : link
I hoping Shurmur screws with all of us and starts Tanney. /s
shurmur is handling this poorly (shocker)  
GiantsFan84 : 9/16/2019 1:05 pm : link
there is no need for eli to be out there answering these types of questions.
Based on his his tone and body language  
jlukes : 9/16/2019 1:06 pm : link
I truly believe Shurmur has his hands tied by ownership. It looks and sounds like he wants Jones on the field
RE: ...  
cjac : 9/16/2019 1:07 pm : link
In comment 14580342 Eric from BBI said:
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I hoping Shurmur screws with all of us and starts Tanney. /s


HAHAHAAHA, can you imagine?
RE: shurmur is handling this poorly (shocker)  
nygiants16 : 9/16/2019 1:07 pm : link
In comment 14580343 GiantsFan84 said:
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there is no need for eli to be out there answering these types of questions.


eli would be answering these type of questions whether shurmur said something or didnt say something
Agree that the way Shurmur is handling this is awful...  
Tesla : 9/16/2019 1:07 pm : link
either make a change or don't.....but don't drop a bomb like this if you're not 100% ready to make the change. And even if they're not sure what they're doing this week just say Eli's is our starting QB. And if you come out tomorrow and say we've made a change of plans, Jones is starting vs. TB, then so what....the story isn't going to be that you lied to the media on Monday, it's going to be that you've made the switch at QB's.

Shurmur is just really dreadful when dealing with the media.
RE: Based on his his tone and body language  
AcidTest : 9/16/2019 1:08 pm : link
In comment 14580347 jlukes said:
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I truly believe Shurmur has his hands tied by ownership. It looks and sounds like he wants Jones on the field


Quite possibly. As I said, most of Shurmur's offense is predicated on having a mobile QB, which as we saw yesterday with Allen, is an enormous advantage in today's NFL.
I think the right thing to do  
Jay on the Island : 9/16/2019 1:08 pm : link
Is to release Eli and allow him the opportunity to latch on with a team like the Saints, Steelers, or Jags that lost their starting QB.

I am hoping that the reason they kept Alex Tanney on the roster was in case they started off poorly and made the switch to Jones. Releasing Eli would allow him to try to find a starting job elsewhere while the Giants open up a lot of cap room to carry over into next year.
RE: Agree that the way Shurmur is handling this is awful...  
nygiants16 : 9/16/2019 1:10 pm : link
In comment 14580354 Tesla said:
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either make a change or don't.....but don't drop a bomb like this if you're not 100% ready to make the change. And even if they're not sure what they're doing this week just say Eli's is our starting QB. And if you come out tomorrow and say we've made a change of plans, Jones is starting vs. TB, then so what....the story isn't going to be that you lied to the media on Monday, it's going to be that you've made the switch at QB's.

Shurmur is just really dreadful when dealing with the media.


what if shurmur is ready to make a change and is being met with resistance?
RE: This is a very bad way to do this  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/16/2019 1:10 pm : link
In comment 14580311 Rudy5757 said:
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Even if Shurmur was to make a change, you dont do it in the media. By handling it this was he is basically saying I want to make a change but I have to wait for ownership to give me permission. He is creating a media feeding frenzy.

While I believe that Jones should start, this is once again the wrong way to handle the situation. Make the decision, tell the players 1st, then tell the media.

This franchise is a joke from ownership down to the coach


Maybe that is the point. It seems like pressure is coming from all sides on this issue, coaches, fans, media. You know John Mara doesn't want to do it after two weeks, but he really needs to listen to what literally everyone else is saying.
RE: RE: Not sure  
Tim in VA : 9/16/2019 1:10 pm : link
In comment 14580339 Eric from BBI said:
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Why anybody gives a shit. We're going nowhere with our coaching staff.



You don't think the move away from a QB who has been starting for this team since 2004 is a big deal?


In and of itself it is but to what end? Will it make us a contender in the next 2 seasons? No, and that has nothing to do with Daniel Jones and everything to do with an inept coaching staff (again) that will not be replaced soon enough. Not to mention the likelihood of getting a good replacement.
Unless They Win in TB (or lose a very competitive game)  
Rong5611 : 9/16/2019 1:12 pm : link
It will be the Washington game. Jones starting will sell tickets, merchandise and refreshments - more money for the owners.
since eli played week 1 his contract is fully guaranteed  
ron mexico : 9/16/2019 1:12 pm : link
the only way we would get cap relief is if there is offset language in the contract which we probably didn't require of him.

Eli actually has value as a seasoned vet back up on this team. More value than he has as a starter.

Based on his play from Duke, he is not great at protecting himself. There is no reason to ship Eli off if we are paying him anyway, he might be needed later in the season.
RE: The biggest downside playing Jones  
lax counsel : 9/16/2019 1:13 pm : link
In comment 14580290 Go Terps said:
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If he plays well it will obscure the fact that Gettleman and Shurmur are incompetent and need to be replaced.

Jones could be Joe Montana and it won't matter with these people running the team. Eli is shot and needs to be replaced immediately, but we shouldn't lose sight that his continued pathetic presence is a symptom of a much larger and deeper problem.


Agreed, if Jones turns out to be the player he was in preseason, it's going to mask a lot of organizational deficiencies and may save a lot of jobs and continue with the status quo.
I want to see  
JPinstripes : 9/16/2019 1:13 pm : link
Shurmur's offense operate with a mobile QB like D. Jones.
RE: RE: RE: Not sure  
nygiants16 : 9/16/2019 1:14 pm : link
In comment 14580369 Tim in VA said:
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In comment 14580339 Eric from BBI said:


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In comment 14580336 Tim in VA said:


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Why anybody gives a shit. We're going nowhere with our coaching staff.



You don't think the move away from a QB who has been starting for this team since 2004 is a big deal?



In and of itself it is but to what end? Will it make us a contender in the next 2 seasons? No, and that has nothing to do with Daniel Jones and everything to do with an inept coaching staff (again) that will not be replaced soon enough. Not to mention the likelihood of getting a good replacement.


funny people said the same thing after eli's first year
RE: RE: Wait another game or so  
HomerJones45 : 9/16/2019 1:15 pm : link
In comment 14580229 jvm52106 said:
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Eli is right behind Big Ben in all time yards and TD passes, yes I care!



Get off the site Archie... Your sons have multiple SB victories and MVP;s, it is time.,..
You've played that "it is time" meme over and over again starting with Gilbride. It's working out well.
RE:  
Mr. Bungle : 9/16/2019 1:15 pm : link
In comment 14580172 jvm52106 said:
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the Bucs defense is not solid

The Bucs defense looked great on Thursday in Carolina.
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