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Offensive 1st Drive vs. Rest of the Game

Britt in VA : 9/16/2019 12:28 pm
What's been perplexing to me the last two weeks is how prepared the offense looks on the first drive, and then drops off a cliff the rest of the game.

The crispness and preciseness on the first drive indicates a good plan, and good preparation.

Beyond that, there doesn't seem to be any sort of plan.

It's like the first drive we dictate what we're doing to the defense, and after that we let the defense dictate to us what we're doing. No identity.
And I just want to reiterate I'm talking about the offense.  
Britt in VA : 9/16/2019 12:30 pm : link
The defense doesn't appear to have a plan at any time.
Actually  
jvm52106 : 9/16/2019 12:31 pm : link
it kind of makes sense for what has happened to this team under PS. The plays are set and we run what we want- which is a lot of Barkley.

The other team adjusts and we get away from what we should be doing. I am still fucking confused on why Gallman comes into the game when he does. Even if you think Barkley is tired, leave him as his presence alone changes the defense. Nobody freaks out that Wayne Gallman is the game!
Well in the NFL, good teams  
figgy2989 : 9/16/2019 12:31 pm : link
Will make in game adjustments, which is what you saw in Dallas and yesterday with Buffalo and their defenses.

Too bad the Giants can't say the same.

Play script  
Go Terps : 9/16/2019 12:32 pm : link
This has been a theme with Shurmur. Go back to when he was the Vikings' OC in the NFC title game in Philly a couple years back.

Once he gets away from the script he's lost.
Shurmur can: Gameplan a first drive off of film  
Giants in 07 : 9/16/2019 12:32 pm : link
Shurmur can't: Adjust when defense adjusts.
Last  
Toth029 : 9/16/2019 12:32 pm : link
Year, in the final four game, they ran the offense thru Saquon.

They haven't been doing that and I can't understand for the life of me why.
RE: Play script  
Greg from LI : 9/16/2019 12:32 pm : link
In comment 14580216 Go Terps said:
Quote:
This has been a theme with Shurmur. Go back to when he was the Vikings' OC in the NFC title game in Philly a couple years back.

Once he gets away from the script he's lost.


Yep. It's become a depressing pattern. As the game goes on, his offenses get less and less effective.
RE: Play script  
Britt in VA : 9/16/2019 12:33 pm : link
In comment 14580216 Go Terps said:
Quote:
This has been a theme with Shurmur. Go back to when he was the Vikings' OC in the NFC title game in Philly a couple years back.

Once he gets away from the script he's lost.


It does seem this way.
The other guys get paid too  
HomerJones45 : 9/16/2019 12:33 pm : link
they get a handle on what we are doing and blow it up for the rest of the game. My guess is that they realize after the first drive that our receivers are worse than what they thought, that they can be single-covered and no one needs to worry about these characters blowing past them deep and the other team proceeds to squeeze the life out of the offense.
We had some good runs  
justafan : 9/16/2019 12:34 pm : link
On that opening drive. Next drive started with a 5 yard run by Barkley. Then an incompletion by Manning, a 5-yard penalty, and an incompletion by Manning.

Buffalo seemed to get stingy on runs from there and Manning couldn't get it done. His WRs weren't getting much seperation either.

We suck.
Eli's missed throw to Engram on the 2nd drive...  
Tesla : 9/16/2019 12:35 pm : link
was a big play in the game. He connects there and it's 1st down at our 48, we're up 7-0 and moving the ball.

Instead, Eli misses the throw, Jones has a false start, and Eli checks down on 3rd and long.
ever scarier how much I agree with Gene these days  
Greg from LI : 9/16/2019 12:37 pm : link
No one on the offense but Barkley scares anyone even a little bit. The people who promoted the "well, it's OK that none of the receivers are good because they'll spread it around" were kidding themselves.
its easy to gear up on the run  
2cents : 9/16/2019 12:37 pm : link
when your qb starts the game 1 for 7, missing wide open receivers.
O-line good at pass protect  
gmenatlarge : 9/16/2019 12:41 pm : link
Not so good at run blocking after first drive.
I have a theory!  
Dave : 9/16/2019 12:42 pm : link
teams, by now, know how Eli will react at the LOS, so they are able to bait him into certain plays by showing certain defensive looks...

when the opening drive is scripted, the offense doesn't adjust to the defense as much as just run the (damn) play.

explains why the defenses seem to know what they have to defend on any given play?
RE: Eli's missed throw to Engram on the 2nd drive...  
jestersdead : 9/16/2019 12:43 pm : link
In comment 14580227 Tesla said:
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was a big play in the game. He connects there and it's 1st down at our 48, we're up 7-0 and moving the ball.

Instead, Eli misses the throw, Jones has a false start, and Eli checks down on 3rd and long.


Was that the crossing route where the d lineman got an arm up and Eli threw around his arm?
yes, just missed EE  
Dave : 9/16/2019 12:44 pm : link
(who I thought mighta made a better effort at the pass)
RE: I have a theory!  
ron mexico : 9/16/2019 12:46 pm : link
In comment 14580254 Dave said:
Quote:
teams, by now, know how Eli will react at the LOS, so they are able to bait him into certain plays by showing certain defensive looks...

when the opening drive is scripted, the offense doesn't adjust to the defense as much as just run the (damn) play.

explains why the defenses seem to know what they have to defend on any given play?


I think there may be some truth to this.
RE: RE: I have a theory!  
HoustonGiant : 9/16/2019 12:49 pm : link
In comment 14580267 ron mexico said:
Quote:
In comment 14580254 Dave said:


Quote:


teams, by now, know how Eli will react at the LOS, so they are able to bait him into certain plays by showing certain defensive looks...

when the opening drive is scripted, the offense doesn't adjust to the defense as much as just run the (damn) play.

explains why the defenses seem to know what they have to defend on any given play?



I think there may be some truth to this.


I'd say, for the past 3-4 years this was the case. We look good on opening drives and then...

Also, until this year, we'd hang with teams until the D was on the field 80% of the game, and then they'd collapse.

Now we don't even get that....
'too smart for his own britches'  
Dave : 9/16/2019 12:50 pm : link
remember that phrase?
It's almost like the play caller  
pjcas18 : 9/16/2019 12:52 pm : link
outsmarts himself into being stupid.

"Ok that works. they can't stop Barkley". Now let's see if they can handle this. Ok that failed, how about this? Ok, that failed too, how about this.

seems so simple to me, the fan, just keep doing what works until it doesn't work.
My theory:  
CT Charlie : 9/16/2019 1:13 pm : link
Shurmur is not particularly good at focusing or multi-tasking. While the defense is on the field, he's paying attention to them rather than analyzing what will work for the next series on offense. I would much rather have Shula or even Eli calling the plays from start to finish.

There are a few brilliant head coaches who can simultaneously call plays -- by instinct or by analysis -- but, without any discredit to Shurmur, he is not one of them.
RE: I have a theory!  
PatersonPlank : 9/16/2019 1:48 pm : link
In comment 14580254 Dave said:
Quote:
teams, by now, know how Eli will react at the LOS, so they are able to bait him into certain plays by showing certain defensive looks...

when the opening drive is scripted, the offense doesn't adjust to the defense as much as just run the (damn) play.

explains why the defenses seem to know what they have to defend on any given play?


I believe teams try to do this to every QB. They watch the film and look for tendencies
I screamed at the TV  
Thegratefulhead : 9/16/2019 3:05 pm : link
for 2 entire games.

RUN THE FUCKING BALL

My game plan is.

Run on 1st down.

If SB does not get first down.

Run on second down.

If SB does not get first down

Throw short pass and convert 3rd down(posibly throw to Barkley)

If Barkley touches ball enough he will score long touchdown or break off big play.

Handing ball to Barkley is the safest, best play in all of football.

Only a fucking stupid person stops doing this...


WHEN IT IS FUCKING WORKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You cannot give me a good reason why Shurmur stopped handing the ball off 2 games in a row. Shoot him(not really)
3rd down  
Thegratefulhead : 9/16/2019 3:09 pm : link
Fuck it, run him 3 times, good things might happen.
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