If we go 5-11 and worse (which seems very likely), do you think the Maras clean house and replace both the coaching staff and Gettleman?
I think they absolutely *should*. I have no confidence in Shurmer as a coach whatsoever. Whether they do remains to be seen.
Thoughts?
Which in turn would help Gettleman. But I think Gettleman is super safe - unfortunately. I wouldn't say he's Supreme Court Justice safe, but having Accorsi hand pick and recommend him to Mara is a huge safety net for DG.
His FAs have been bad but hopefully they are just stop gaps while we develop drafted players. For those that said we cleaned house last season of all of our good players, none of those players are doing shit in their new homes or are injured as usual.
We MAY fire Betcher though. The question is... who else is out there at this point. Most quality DCs are already working. Did you want Pepper Johnson? lol
Gettleman no fucking way. Why would they? It's been two years of complete roster turnover. Much like we can't tell for a little while if the rookie and second years are busts, we can't judge DG.
Shurmur we see him in action daily. DG 100% stays regardless of what happens with shurmur
very few were thinking playoffs but the first two games
myself the Dallas game and the score is about what I
expected Cowboys are for real . I did however expect
better defensive play vs the Bills knowing there defense
was gonna be a tough matchup I expected a low scoring
game I din't think we would give up 4 TD's .
DG has done a decent job drafting and putting some pieces
in place the coaching so far not so much on all levels .
They rarely if ever fire coaches mid-season .
We look like crap, but this IS part of the house cleaning process
He is doing what needs to be done to remake the franchise while following the instructions of the Ownership. He has to tear down and rebuild while playing Eli and not ever giving up on the season.
He has made this team young, cleaned up the character, has drafted well and aqquired extra draft capital. He has tansformed the lines on both sides and added depth with eye towards buliding outstanding special teams.
as for the coaching we needed a profesional in here to handle the circus left behind and while shurmur hasnt wowed he is at least acting like a head coach. I dont know if he will be the one to coach the team on their way back up but he is gonna push it through the turnaround.
If Jones is the goods and the cp space is there to play with we may be able to lure a big time candidate
We look like crap, but this IS part of the house cleaning process
Unfortunately the Giant's ownership has been cleaning with bleach and ammonia....
As evidenced by the Eli benching fiasco, Mara doesn't like being embarrassed, so hopefully 16 games of embarrassment will be a wake up call.
However my confidence in ownership hiring the right type of people to actually build a modern NFL roster is basically 0%
He is doing what needs to be done to remake the franchise while following the instructions of the Ownership. He has to tear down and rebuild while playing Eli and not ever giving up on the season.
He has made this team young, cleaned up the character, has drafted well and aqquired extra draft capital. He has tansformed the lines on both sides and added depth with eye towards buliding outstanding special teams.
as for the coaching we needed a profesional in here to handle the circus left behind and while shurmur hasnt wowed he is at least acting like a head coach. I dont know if he will be the one to coach the team on their way back up but he is gonna push it through the turnaround.
If Jones is the goods and the cp space is there to play with we may be able to lure a big time candidate
i agree with all of this but the jurys out on whether he has drafted well...so far other than barkley don't see anyone else really standing out but it's still too early to tell.
below 4 wins and it would be hard to justify keeping this crew the next year
Right now the Giants, Jets and Dolphins have legitimate shots at the #1 pick.
This isn't the Giants of old. Another terrible record might put Shurmer's head in the noose given his current coaching record.
I certainly don't think it's out of the realm of possibility.
I really want to see guys like Hernandez and Hill take that next step in year 2. Jury is still out on Lorenzo Carter and who knows what you have in Beal.
Let's not forget that this is the current regime's second season, not it's first. They already had an entire offseason where critical decisions were made. The fact that they waited a year before taking a quarterback and fully embracing the "rebuild" should not extend their leash. That was their decision. If the team is awful and not progressing after two seasons, then serious consideration needs to be given as to whether this the correct direction for the franchise. You probably need a third season to fairly assess the regime, but if this is another 5 or less win season, then no one should be automatically safe.
This isn't the Giants of old. Another terrible record might put Shurmer's head in the noose given his current coaching record.
I certainly don't think it's out of the realm of possibility.
I was pissed at the McADooDoo hire as HC the second it was announced, but what did him and Reese in was playing Geno Smith.
Let's not forget that this is the current regime's second season, not it's first. They already had an entire offseason where critical decisions were made. The fact that they waited a year before taking a quarterback and fully embracing the "rebuild" should not extend their leash. That was their decision. If the team is awful and not progressing after two seasons, then serious consideration needs to be given as to whether this the correct direction for the franchise. You probably need a third season to fairly assess the regime, but if this is another 5 or less win season, then no one should be automatically safe.
In terms of prediction, if things continue to be bad, I think the defensive coordinator will be fired after this season. Shurmur will be fired after the following season. Gettleman will be fired the season after that. The Giants don't "clean house," they begrudgingly let go of one piece at a time.
Most accurate statement on how the Giants operate. Well said
i agree with all of this but the jurys out on whether he has drafted well...so far other than barkley don't see anyone else really standing out but it's still too early to tell.
Its not standing out but hernadez, Hill,Carter,Lawerence,Baker have all accended into starters and havent had anybody look like a bust yet. The bottom of the roster is light years ahead of the last 8 or 9 years
They might dump the coordinators though. That I could see.
I know you're half kidding around but this is still nightmare food.
Ernie will lead the interview process and ask the candidates their opinion on how Johnny Unitas gripped the ball and what they thought of the 1972 Baltimore Colts offensive line.
Not satisfied with any of the answers he will recommend himself to Mara.
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will be fired, they will talk to 3-4 hot shot names and then re-hire Ernie.
Ernie will lead the interview process and ask the candidates their opinion on how Johnny Unitas gripped the ball and what they thought of the 1972 Baltimore Colts offensive line.
Not satisfied with any of the answers he will recommend himself to Mara.
That was an LOL moment. Well done.
Fucking finally! You're back!
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They're too stupid not to.
Fucking finally! You're back!
It was either vent here or shower my office with blood out of my temples over this stupid team.
But the Giants are the equivalent of a fat old man passed out in a La-Z-Boy...they'll probably keep Gettleman and have him hire someone from his or their long-ago past to be the next coach, then someday that coach will pick his old boss from 100 years ago to be the next GM, and this fucking boring-ass team will just continue to lurch forward, half-dead, year after year.
No edge rushers and bad LBs - you know the guys who are currently running the show are the ones who brought these players in, right?
We have all asked for the deadwood to be cut, the young guys to play and eat whatever happens because of all the young guys playing.
Well, they are playing. 1st game was an unmitigated disaster. Yesterday was actually a bit better - they actually got sacks - but the offense was bad.
There are still huge holes in the team that will require a good draft next year.
So no, unless Shurmur does something nutso, he a Gettleman will be here next year.
We have all asked for the deadwood to be cut, the young guys to play and eat whatever happens because of all the young guys playing.
Well, they are playing. 1st game was an unmitigated disaster. Yesterday was actually a bit better - they actually got sacks - but the offense was bad.
There are still huge holes in the team that will require a good draft next year.
So no, unless Shurmur does something nutso, he a Gettleman will be here next year.
Good summary of the current situation.
I’m glad it took this thread to get Go Terps out of hiding.
W-L is not as important as direction the team is headed. The coaching staff has to develop the youngsters and cohesive units. We are going to lose while this is happening, but we'll be set up for success next year. If it doesn't happen, the Giants should clean out the coaching staff, but I have doubts as to whether they will. If the team still doesn't advance next year, coaches will be canned.
IF the replacement coaches don't have success, maybe management will be replaced. by then, the Giants will be even more of a laughing stock than they are now, and firmly entrenched in a culture of losing.
Pray Gettleman and company know what they're doing, because if not, we could be facing a decade of pathetic awfulness. People were arguing about how picking the wrong QB could set a team back 3-5 years. Picking the wrong GM can set you back 2 or 3 times that.
W-L is not as important as direction the team is headed. The coaching staff has to develop the youngsters and cohesive units. We are going to lose while this is happening, but we'll be set up for success next year. If it doesn't happen, the Giants should clean out the coaching staff, but I have doubts as to whether they will. If the team still doesn't advance next year, coaches will be canned.
IF the replacement coaches don't have success, maybe management will be replaced. by then, the Giants will be even more of a laughing stock than they are now, and firmly entrenched in a culture of losing.
Pray Gettleman and company know what they're doing, because if not, we could be facing a decade of pathetic awfulness. People were arguing about how picking the wrong QB could set a team back 3-5 years. Picking the wrong GM can set you back 2 or 3 times that.
On O, it is more about the playcalling and scheme. This offense is horrible beyond just these 2 games. There is no cohesion, there is a strange reluctance to give the best player in the league 25+ touches every game. I mean is it a crime to throw the ball beyond 4 yards on 3rd down? Last week not handing it to Barkley once in 3 short yardage situations is insane? Then to elect for Penny and Eli on the move makes it beyond imaginable. Coaching.
IF we have talent, I have no confidence right now that this staff will develop it and make them any better.