Make your prediction now: do we clean house?

I rearranges and takes furniture out of storage.

the entire near future of this franchise rests on his shoulders

In comment 14580337 ron mexico said:

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the entire near future of this franchise rests on his shoulders

Agree with that.

They won't.
QB controversy is the new distraction, and judging from the content on this board it's working like a charm.

And their seemingly nepotistic tendency to stay with what and who they know rather then to look for the most qualified and forward thinking coaches and managers. We have been mired in retreads for a decade now.

We're going nowhere fast with our current coaching staff.

will be made after year three. We will have a lot of cap space next year. That and another draft should give everyone, including management, a clear indication of the direction of this team. 'Cleaning house' after year two is not fair to anyone involved.

The Giants will wait at least another year.

They're too stupid not to.

even at 2 wins I doubt Gettleman would go. As many have said already the DC will be fired. We've been down this road with the Mara brothers for a decade. Coughlin before and after the Super Bowls was forced to fire his coordinators. This is nothing new.

They all get one more season after this one, unless the GIANTS lose almost every game, and lose most or all of them badly.

Draft all D, lbs and free safeties such as 3 or each, plus maybe the best tight end. Following year you get the wrs.

they will go at least another year. Unless Shurmur loses the team. I don't think that is likely given the personalities.

Doubt even Shurmur gets canned. At most, the coordinators will take the fall.

If he's legitimately good, no one goes anywhere, for likely quite a while. But also, him being good may also mask a lot of organizational deficiencies that have weighed them down the past decade. If he's bad, they may fire people, but it won't be a house cleaning, it will simply be retreads trusted by the organization (i.e, the hiring of DG).

can save his job if he plays Jones and Jones shines. So the sooner he gets into the project, the more his job security is in his hands.

Which in turn would help Gettleman. But I think Gettleman is super safe - unfortunately. I wouldn't say he's Supreme Court Justice safe, but having Accorsi hand pick and recommend him to Mara is a huge safety net for DG.

how can you say DG has done a bad job? His drafts with DJ as a good QB can be seen as all positive. We lost with OBJ so there is no difference. He drafted a future HOFer in year 1 and then DJ and some other good players.

His FAs have been bad but hopefully they are just stop gaps while we develop drafted players. For those that said we cleaned house last season of all of our good players, none of those players are doing shit in their new homes or are injured as usual.

at the end of this year. Maybe after next season.

We MAY fire Betcher though. The question is... who else is out there at this point. Most quality DCs are already working. Did you want Pepper Johnson? lol

This franchise was decimated by the previous front office but the new FO gets two years and done. I think that's only asking for even more problems.

won a Super Bowl in it's first year, and then another one 4 years later - just a bit different senario would you say? McAdoo went 11-5 and was canned 12 games into year 2 - mainly for having the foresight that they needed to move on from Eli. Gettleman came in boasting he was going to kick ass - looks to me like he's getting his ass cooked, trading away good players w/o much to show for it.

Coaching staff sure.

Gettleman no fucking way. Why would they? It's been two years of complete roster turnover. Much like we can't tell for a little while if the rookie and second years are busts, we can't judge DG.
Shurmur we see him in action daily. DG 100% stays regardless of what happens with shurmur

have To play the season out we all expect to see some growth
very few were thinking playoffs but the first two games
myself the Dallas game and the score is about what I
expected Cowboys are for real . I did however expect
better defensive play vs the Bills knowing there defense
was gonna be a tough matchup I expected a low scoring
game I din't think we would give up 4 TD's .
DG has done a decent job drafting and putting some pieces
in place the coaching so far not so much on all levels .
They rarely if ever fire coaches mid-season .

Most players gone, coaches gone, GM gone.

We look like crap, but this IS part of the house cleaning process

very safe.

He is doing what needs to be done to remake the franchise while following the instructions of the Ownership. He has to tear down and rebuild while playing Eli and not ever giving up on the season.

He has made this team young, cleaned up the character, has drafted well and aqquired extra draft capital. He has tansformed the lines on both sides and added depth with eye towards buliding outstanding special teams.

as for the coaching we needed a profesional in here to handle the circus left behind and while shurmur hasnt wowed he is at least acting like a head coach. I dont know if he will be the one to coach the team on their way back up but he is gonna push it through the turnaround.

If Jones is the goods and the cp space is there to play with we may be able to lure a big time candidate

In comment 14580455 PatersonPlank said:

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Most players gone, coaches gone, GM gone. We look like crap, but this IS part of the house cleaning process

Unfortunately the Giant's ownership has been cleaning with bleach and ammonia....

As evidenced by the Eli benching fiasco, Mara doesn't like being embarrassed, so hopefully 16 games of embarrassment will be a wake up call.

However my confidence in ownership hiring the right type of people to actually build a modern NFL roster is basically 0%

In comment 14580468 Dankbeerman said:

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very safe. He is doing what needs to be done to remake the franchise while following the instructions of the Ownership. He has to tear down and rebuild while playing Eli and not ever giving up on the season. He has made this team young, cleaned up the character, has drafted well and aqquired extra draft capital. He has tansformed the lines on both sides and added depth with eye towards buliding outstanding special teams. as for the coaching we needed a profesional in here to handle the circus left behind and while shurmur hasnt wowed he is at least acting like a head coach. I dont know if he will be the one to coach the team on their way back up but he is gonna push it through the turnaround. If Jones is the goods and the cp space is there to play with we may be able to lure a big time candidate

i agree with all of this but the jurys out on whether he has drafted well...so far other than barkley don't see anyone else really standing out but it's still too early to tell.

below 5 wins and there has to be talk of change
below 4 wins and it would be hard to justify keeping this crew the next year

if the Giants are so bad that they have a top 3 pick. Do you go QB and trade Jones or try and trade the pick for a haul?

Right now the Giants, Jets and Dolphins have legitimate shots at the #1 pick.

about McAdoo, and the usual suspects were saying that the Giants eould never fire a coach after 2 years.

This isn't the Giants of old. Another terrible record might put Shurmer's head in the noose given his current coaching record.

I certainly don't think it's out of the realm of possibility.

compared to Reese's, we need to see more out of some of these guys. Obviously, Barkley is a home run thus far, but Reese had a home run in Beckham too.

I really want to see guys like Hernandez and Hill take that next step in year 2. Jury is still out on Lorenzo Carter and who knows what you have in Beal.

fuck

is so dependent on Daniel Jones, then don't they have an incentive to sit him as long as possible? Why should Jones get to be their get out of jail free card this year? It starts to feel like taking a qb that high is some sort of scam to buy yourself extra time.

Let's not forget that this is the current regime's second season, not it's first. They already had an entire offseason where critical decisions were made. The fact that they waited a year before taking a quarterback and fully embracing the "rebuild" should not extend their leash. That was their decision. If the team is awful and not progressing after two seasons, then serious consideration needs to be given as to whether this the correct direction for the franchise. You probably need a third season to fairly assess the regime, but if this is another 5 or less win season, then no one should be automatically safe.

for another year. I think that would be a huge mistake, but it is what it is.

In comment 14580559 LakeGeorgeGiant said:

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about McAdoo, and the usual suspects were saying that the Giants eould never fire a coach after 2 years. This isn't the Giants of old. Another terrible record might put Shurmer's head in the noose given his current coaching record. I certainly don't think it's out of the realm of possibility.

I was pissed at the McADooDoo hire as HC the second it was announced, but what did him and Reese in was playing Geno Smith.

In comment 14580566 eugibs said:

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is so dependent on Daniel Jones, then don't they have an incentive to sit him as long as possible? Why should Jones get to be their get out of jail free card this year? It starts to feel like taking a qb that high is some sort of scam to buy yourself extra time. Let's not forget that this is the current regime's second season, not it's first. They already had an entire offseason where critical decisions were made. The fact that they waited a year before taking a quarterback and fully embracing the "rebuild" should not extend their leash. That was their decision. If the team is awful and not progressing after two seasons, then serious consideration needs to be given as to whether this the correct direction for the franchise. You probably need a third season to fairly assess the regime, but if this is another 5 or less win season, then no one should be automatically safe.

In terms of prediction, if things continue to be bad, I think the defensive coordinator will be fired after this season. Shurmur will be fired after the following season. Gettleman will be fired the season after that. The Giants don't "clean house," they begrudgingly let go of one piece at a time.

In comment 14580333 Default said:

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I rearranges and takes furniture out of storage.

Most accurate statement on how the Giants operate. Well said

In comment 14580540 peteschweaty said:

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i agree with all of this but the jurys out on whether he has drafted well...so far other than barkley don't see anyone else really standing out but it's still too early to tell.

Its not standing out but hernadez, Hill,Carter,Lawerence,Baker have all accended into starters and havent had anybody look like a bust yet. The bottom of the roster is light years ahead of the last 8 or 9 years

With DJ

Mara will say Shurmur and by extension DG deserve a full season with Jones as QB. Perhaps that is fair, even though I doubt it is likely to help.

They might dump the coordinators though. That I could see.

will be fired, they will talk to 3-4 hot shot names and then re-hire Ernie.

In comment 14580668 DanMetroMan said:

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will be fired, they will talk to 3-4 hot shot names and then re-hire Ernie.

I know you're half kidding around but this is still nightmare food.

completely falls out. The entire D roster is geared towards Betcher's scheme. He goes then what?

In comment 14580668 DanMetroMan said:

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will be fired, they will talk to 3-4 hot shot names and then re-hire Ernie.

Ernie will lead the interview process and ask the candidates their opinion on how Johnny Unitas gripped the ball and what they thought of the 1972 Baltimore Colts offensive line.

Not satisfied with any of the answers he will recommend himself to Mara.

In comment 14580684 moespree said:

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In comment 14580668 DanMetroMan said: Quote: will be fired, they will talk to 3-4 hot shot names and then re-hire Ernie. Ernie will lead the interview process and ask the candidates their opinion on how Johnny Unitas gripped the ball and what they thought of the 1972 Baltimore Colts offensive line. Not satisfied with any of the answers he will recommend himself to Mara.

That was an LOL moment. Well done.

That's been my position. 2 games into year 2 is too early for this conversation.

... that we had drafted just about next to Buffalo the past two years, starting from similar season results before that (<< all my words), their point, of course, being that the Bills have already revitalized their franchise and the Giants ... you can guess the rest. I thought we already DID clean house. How TF clean does it have to get?

They've been sweeping the dirst from one corner to the other corner over there! Jeez

In comment 14580360 Go Terps said:

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They're too stupid not to.

Fucking finally! You're back!

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It comes down to Jones. If he plays like he did in preseason and we start winning some games I think there will be continuity. If he’s a bust Shurmur will be canned and Gettleman will get a Coughlin retirement