I'm just as tired of the Giants being shitty as the next fan (was awesome to see first hand in Dallas last week...NOT)
But let's take a breath here and look at how one more shitty season can really help us moving forward.
We need to play DJ, that is completely obvious to us all.
I love Eli and will always sing his praises, but his time is done here. Daniel Jones is the key to our next 10+ years (hopefully)...play him and let's confirm he is 100% THE guy. This works for us in two ways, first we see if he's got what it takes to succeed and carry us forward. But if for some reason he looks horrible, the losses will still mount and we will be in very good position for the QB rich draft next year.
So, by playing Jones, maybe we go 3-13.... but losses alone won't be on him. Our team still desperately needs an infusion of talent across the board. So Jones can play, have his mistakes/shitty games, but still prove that he's the franchise QB going forward.
Hopefully that's the case and we now have a very valuable draft status going into next season. Absolute WORST case scenario we take one of these elite QB's with the pick (there is a real chance we could have #1 overall, 2nd pick at least is very likely)
What I pray is DJ shows us he's legit and we now can trade next years high pick to a QB needy team for a kings ransom. $$$$
We've seen what teams are willing to give up for top QB's in the draft...sure would be nice to be on the receiving end of one of those deals, huh?
I hate wasted seasons, especially with Barkley in his prime years, but this team sucks currently, so one more shit year could put us in line to clean up next draft...AND with cap space to bring in key vet players as well.
Our turnaround could be accelerated for 2020 and beyond but one more shit season has to be stomached...yuck
But, a difficult to swallow 2019 season will certainly provide more motivation for change. The problem is, it could be another coordinator sacrificed, eg Bettcher is out while Shurmur remains. Rinse and repeat the show we've seen before.
Waiting for the rebound any minute now.
Sorry, sarcastic this morning. Giants.......
Jones is the guy here. Shurmur might not be the coach but I bet a TON of coaches would like to have a shot at having Jones be their young stud QB.
Basically, I'm just trying to look for positives since it looks like we are fucked again this year :(
But, a difficult to swallow 2019 season will certainly provide more motivation for change. The problem is, it could be another coordinator sacrificed, eg Bettcher is out while Shurmur remains. Rinse and repeat the show we've seen before.
Coughlin is one thing. Don’t see that happening for an unproven HC.
If the offense remains listless and lifeless, the team continues to suck (to the tune of 0-4 wins), and you have yet another premium pick at the top of the draft, maybe it's time to truly do the full house-cleaning that they never did.
Bring in a truly (new) GM, let the GM pick the coach, and let that new tandem pick their QB. Perhaps Jones IS their QB and they want to use the high pick elsewhere. But the QB decision should come after the hiring and not be a pre-requisite interview question with only one right answer.
Get the correct people running and coaching the team, and let those people make QB decisions (and all other decisions) of their own accord and on their own tab.
If the offense remains listless and lifeless, the team continues to suck (to the tune of 0-4 wins), and you have yet another premium pick at the top of the draft, maybe it's time to truly do the full house-cleaning that they never did.
Bring in a truly (new) GM, let the GM pick the coach, and let that new tandem pick their QB. Perhaps Jones IS their QB and they want to use the high pick elsewhere. But the QB decision should come after the hiring and not be a pre-requisite interview question with only one right answer.
Get the correct people running and coaching the team, and let those people make QB decisions (and all other decisions) of their own accord and on their own tab.
Well said
But, a difficult to swallow 2019 season will certainly provide more motivation for change. The problem is, it could be another coordinator sacrificed, eg Bettcher is out while Shurmur remains. Rinse and repeat the show we've seen before.
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where I see them drafting a QB high in 2020.
But, a difficult to swallow 2019 season will certainly provide more motivation for change. The problem is, it could be another coordinator sacrificed, eg Bettcher is out while Shurmur remains. Rinse and repeat the show we've seen before.
Only see 1 scenario. Jones gets extended playing time and does not look promising.
This is exactly the reason Jones needs to get an extended look. If he shows to be nothing more than a replacement level player, the Giants need to cut bait quickly. There should be a couple of good QB drafts coming up, potentially featuring Lawerence in 2021, though every qb needy team will be pulling a Dolphins in that draft.
That's enough to pull the switch.
Then you add:
1) Jones gets experience
2) Eli might accept a trade and you get something small to help build the team
3) The team gets a new dimension with a mobile RPO QB who fits Shurmer's system.
It is such a no brainer, it is silly not to do so.
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where I see them drafting a QB high in 2020.
But, a difficult to swallow 2019 season will certainly provide more motivation for change. The problem is, it could be another coordinator sacrificed, eg Bettcher is out while Shurmur remains. Rinse and repeat the show we've seen before.
Only see 1 scenario. Jones gets extended playing time and does not look promising.
It would have to be pretty bad to give up after one year. Mara would question their acumen etc.
This is what’s frustrating about being a Giants fan. IMO the worst case scenario is Eli plays we can to 5-6 wins and we don’t know what we have in Jones.
The Oline isn’t like David Carr’s. Rookies throw picks let him make some tough throws tell him that’s fine.
Hell I don’t even mind Jones having a bad season and us picking near the top of the draft and us getting a ransom because we want to trade to a team that wants a QB. I just don’t want to see him not play enough and the team making that call more blindly.
Eliis lagging in most of these areas, he also just looks like a tired version of his younger self.
You had to feel sorry for Kurt Warner when even though having winning record for us he got permanently benched- only to go to a SB with AZ a few years later.
Many will take Eli's
eventual benching badly. Maybe Eli goes to another team and makes a last chance power drive. Who knows
But we need to get Jones on the field ASAP. The time for sentimentality has passed . this kid looked awful good in pre-season
its time to unwrap our gift and see if its real
If Eli keeps losing he will not only cost us this season but many other players will lose their jobs
My problem with Eli is his inability to convert 3rd downs especially in the other teams area of the field. He is really bad at this aspect of the game. The Eli we see now is the same guy we saw in pre-season
he just cannot move the ball when it counts.
There is something about Jones that its tough to pinpoint. Its likely is incredible quick release and accuracy. The Eli Giants have become impossible to watch. You are just waiting for the next disappointment.
But, a difficult to swallow 2019 season will certainly provide more motivation for change. The problem is, it could be another coordinator sacrificed, eg Bettcher is out while Shurmur remains. Rinse and repeat the show we've seen before.
There is one scenario where it happens. The Giants finish with the worst record in the league, with Jones starting a number of games and showing nothing, and both DG and Shurmur are fired. A new administration would find Tua very hard to pass on.
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where I see them drafting a QB high in 2020.
But, a difficult to swallow 2019 season will certainly provide more motivation for change. The problem is, it could be another coordinator sacrificed, eg Bettcher is out while Shurmur remains. Rinse and repeat the show we've seen before.
There is one scenario where it happens. The Giants finish with the worst record in the league, with Jones starting a number of games and showing nothing, and both DG and Shurmur are fired. A new administration would find Tua very hard to pass on.
IMO that's the best scenario for the Giants to actually rebuild.
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where I see them drafting a QB high in 2020.
But, a difficult to swallow 2019 season will certainly provide more motivation for change. The problem is, it could be another coordinator sacrificed, eg Bettcher is out while Shurmur remains. Rinse and repeat the show we've seen before.
There is one scenario where it happens. The Giants finish with the worst record in the league, with Jones starting a number of games and showing nothing, and both DG and Shurmur are fired. A new administration would find Tua very hard to pass on.
Hard to feel warm and fuzzy about whoever else this ownership would hire. Its failure after failure.