Rather than later. Listening to Shurmur makes me think Eli is going to the bench.
If in fact Eli is benched after a game in which he played without his top four receivers that would be a shame. Not saying its not time but Eli just seems to be dealt a shit hand at every turn.
Like Phil Simms said, "The NFL sh*ts on everyone no matter who you are".
There are very few players who go out on their own terms.
instead of prodding information about the biggest story in NY sports (the replacement of Eli Manning) he decided his time was better beating up Shurmur because his team stinks. That might be what his audience wants, which is fine, but I am not giving him credit for anything. It was a giant, no pun intended, waste of time.
Clearly the ownership is incompetent. They cited a target of 70% passing completiong AGAIN and hired another wco HC. Incompetent orgs and their metric based goals, someone in the org has Mara and/or Tisch's ear with the analaytics bullcrap.
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Rather than later. Listening to Shurmur makes me think Eli is going to the bench.
If in fact Eli is benched after a game in which he played without his top four receivers that would be a shame. Not saying its not time but Eli just seems to be dealt a shit hand at every turn.
Dude, he's not closing.
You need an GlenGary refresher.
And Eli needs to sit.
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25 million to start two fucking games, i really hope - if hope is the right word- that the directive came from mara, and that gettleman knew better but went along to placate mara. right now it's preferable to believe that gettleman is reasonably competent at what he does, and that he's been held back by a sentimental, meddling owner in addition to walking into a grim situation (this is the worst i recall the team looking since i've been old enough to pay attention in the mid 80s).
i've read here from credible posters that shurmur was not their first choice as HC and that either others turned them down or mara intervened to push shurmur, since giants are known for this.
plenty of gettlemans personnel decisions have flopped so far (omameh, stewart, lauletta, kennard, etc), but theres been a talent infusion at OL and RB. unfortunately seemingly every other position on the team has gotten worse, and combined with a coach who was not the first choice, and it's no surprise things haven't started to turn around quicker.
should've pulled the plug on eli and blown it all up after 2017, but it is what it is at this point. sad that barkley's prime years will be wasted with shurmur.
25 million to start two fucking games, i really hope - if hope is the right word- that the directive came from mara, and that gettleman knew better but went along to placate mara. right now it's preferable to believe that gettleman is reasonably competent at what he does, and that he's been held back by a sentimental, meddling owner in addition to walking into a grim situation (this is the worst i recall the team looking since i've been old enough to pay attention in the mid 80s).
i've read here from credible posters that shurmur was not their first choice as HC and that either others turned them down or mara intervened to push shurmur, since giants are known for this.
plenty of gettlemans personnel decisions have flopped so far (omameh, stewart, lauletta, kennard, etc), but theres been a talent infusion at OL and RB. unfortunately seemingly every other position on the team has gotten worse, and combined with a coach who was not the first choice, and it's no surprise things haven't started to turn around quicker.
should've pulled the plug on eli and blown it all up after 2017, but it is what it is at this point. sad that barkley's prime years will be wasted with shurmur.
If your scenario is correct, this would be perhaps the third 3rd time Gettleman made a decision to placate Mara.
At that point, I have to wonder if he is nothing more than a seat warmer who is just happy to be collecting a salary.
His comments on the defense are legit, the rest of the time should be about QB of the future. What the next 14 games look like for DJ if he's playing...what a successful year now that we're 0-2.
What do people expect him to say. I give him credit for keeping his composure in the face of those questions.
Not a Shumur fan at all, but these interviews are so stupid. Yeah, he is going to say "we stink, we are not getting better, don't show up anymore." If you are going to interview and try to probe the mindset and decision making then they can be interesting (depending on the coach), but if you just want to humiliate someone, it is rather easy to do to unsuccessful coaches. But, at the same time, it does not take great skills to do that other than a big mouth.
I'd bet my mortgage the Giants will never finish above .500 in any season during which Shurmur is the head coach.
Between him and Gettleman this team is fucking lost. Utterly and completely lost.
Good to see you back. I know you're on the record about your feelings on Shurmur but I'm surprised to hear you say that about Gettlemen. It seemed like you were a big fan of his bigger moves this offseason (letting Collins walk, drafting DJ, trading Beckham, etc.). What changed? Starting and keeping Eli?
is in desperate need of media training. Lots of clumsy answers to questions over the years. Holmgren was right about him, very smart but lacking a bit in how he projects himself in public
Shurmur is so reactionary and spineless to everything Mike says. Watch, they'll all be playing press this week. And Shurmur will point it out in the press conference like he made sure everyone knew Saquon got alot of touches, even with the score the way it was.
This is one of the major reasons I hate the guy as the coach. I said it to my brother during the game that Shurmur being the petty prick that he is will give Saquon the touches in this weeks game just so he can call out in the presser that he did what the media asked for last week and it got no results. Of course as we were leaving the game within the first freaking sentence of his presser he needs to point out that Saquon got his touches and they lost the game. I lost it with him and feeling like he had the right personality as a coach during last years post game presser when he basically shat all over Lauletta as a player killing any value of his just so he can throw it in the media's face that he knows better than them in keeping Lauletta inactive. A coach of his career record has no ground to stand on to be that petty.
25 million to start two fucking games, i really hope - if hope is the right word- that the directive came from mara, and that gettleman knew better but went along to placate mara.
I doubt this was the conversation:
DG: Line is fixed. Old Eli in 2019!
Mara: Are you sure? He looks done...
DG: Positive - Eli will be good as new. Clubhouse fixed.
Mara: O...K... If you're sure.
in your assessment of this interview. This was filled with Mike's self stroking and interrupting PS. I am not impressed with this interview at all.
How can you can you call this an interview?? This is mike not letting explanations happen, they are just let me put you on the spot and then bash a little more.
You can do exactly what Mike was doing by asking questions, not making YOUR opinion statements in a veiled question that you follow up with (while PS tries to answer) with more shots...
I didn't hear anything from Pat Shurmur that was negative or a sign he is incapable. These interviews, if any of you find them a sign of his coaching ability, is akin to Mara listening to the fans opinions before making decisions..
They cannot admit that playing without the guys who were brought in to be receivers number 1 thru 4 (5 once Latimer went out) on the depth chart is a shitty hand?
If you think Jones succeeds with Fowler and TJ Jones as his top two receivers I would suggest you re-think things. In fact I would rather they roll Eli out there with these guys until Tate and Shep come back so Jones has a shot to get off on the right foot.
And if you re-read what I originally said I did admit its time to see Jones.
In these types of interviews, is he asks a great question, but doesn't allow the interviewee to answer before he chimes back in.
Let Pat answer the question you just asked!!!!
Agreed and he does it with everyone. Even guys he likes like Eli, Aikman, and Danielson. Let alone guys he doesn't like lol.
He's got an absolutely terrible interview style and has been that way for years. He'll come up with some good questions and isn't afraid to ask the tough ones but what good is it if you don't let them answer them?
in your assessment of this interview. This was filled with Mike's self stroking and interrupting PS. I am not impressed with this interview at all.
How can you can you call this an interview?? This is mike not letting explanations happen, they are just let me put you on the spot and then bash a little more.
You can do exactly what Mike was doing by asking questions, not making YOUR opinion statements in a veiled question that you follow up with (while PS tries to answer) with more shots...
I didn't hear anything from Pat Shurmur that was negative or a sign he is incapable. These interviews, if any of you find them a sign of his coaching ability, is akin to Mara listening to the fans opinions before making decisions..
Shurmur was trying to say yesterdays game was closer than it appeared AKA asking for a moral victory. He also didn't have an answer for why he should be the coach moving forward. You don't view that as a problem?
"Well actually Barkley touched the ball a lot"
"Well actually the game was closer than it looked"
"Well actually remember that this was a 5 win team last year."
is in desperate need of media training. Lots of clumsy answers to questions over the years. Holmgren was right about him, very smart but lacking a bit in how he projects himself in public
Did you hear that Buffalo used Shurmur's comment about Allen having a "chance to be starting QB" in the NFL as actual bulletin board material?
They were apparently pretty pissed about the comment...
is in desperate need of media training. Lots of clumsy answers to questions over the years. Holmgren was right about him, very smart but lacking a bit in how he projects himself in public
And to think, the Giants just fired a coach two years ago who had the exact same communication issues.
Thought Mikes questions were fair. Thought PS handled well. Mike to me essentially was saying second year and what is the team better at? PS said the OL.
It seems PS was saying without being allowed to that this is a very young team....cut off......and probably wanted to say let's see how they progress.
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in your assessment of this interview. This was filled with Mike's self stroking and interrupting PS. I am not impressed with this interview at all.
How can you can you call this an interview?? This is mike not letting explanations happen, they are just let me put you on the spot and then bash a little more.
You can do exactly what Mike was doing by asking questions, not making YOUR opinion statements in a veiled question that you follow up with (while PS tries to answer) with more shots...
I didn't hear anything from Pat Shurmur that was negative or a sign he is incapable. These interviews, if any of you find them a sign of his coaching ability, is akin to Mara listening to the fans opinions before making decisions..
Shurmur was trying to say yesterdays game was closer than it appeared AKA asking for a moral victory. He also didn't have an answer for why he should be the coach moving forward. You don't view that as a problem? [/quote
NOPE... And, that is your interpretation of what he said. He didnt say it was a moral victory, he countered MF's assessment that the Giants were not in the game and were flat out beaten. Shurmurs points were valid.
They were in the game for the opening 5 minutes. Â
Shurmur is basically saying that we really did play closer in these games mentioning “one score games” and how we almost did this or that and it would have been “closer on the scoreboard” but really was close on the field and how the Bills really are very good.
Here is the truth: the Bills are a 6 win team and a perennial loser who have beaten 2 of the 6 worst records from last year. They have the a 2nd year struggling QB and were on the road. And they had a 21-7 halftime lead and win a relatively easy 28-14 victory.
This Bills team is not a contender and likely not a playoff team either.
They cannot admit that playing without the guys who were brought in to be receivers number 1 thru 4 (5 once Latimer went out) on the depth chart is a shitty hand?
If you think Jones succeeds with Fowler and TJ Jones as his top two receivers I would suggest you re-think things. In fact I would rather they roll Eli out there with these guys until Tate and Shep come back so Jones has a shot to get off on the right foot.
And if you re-read what I originally said I did admit its time to see Jones.
Not every QB needs big name receivers, an all pro offensive line and an all pro running back to be successful. Stop making excuses for Eli, it’s something every year. When Odel was here he still couldn’t function. It’s always something.
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Rather than later. Listening to Shurmur makes me think Eli is going to the bench.
If in fact Eli is benched after a game in which he played without his top four receivers that would be a shame. Not saying its not time but Eli just seems to be dealt a shit hand at every turn.
I’ll always believe that as well. Yes he hasn’t been the solution here the last few years there’s no denying that but his teams fucking SUCKED lately. Eli did so much more good than bad here even leaving out the super bowl wins.
If the team was good enough, Eli was good enough. And you can’t say that about a lot of QBs throughout history. It’s as simple as that. He wasn’t perfect but Eli was better than this. I have no doubts.
Shurmur is basically saying that we really did play closer in these games mentioning “one score games” and how we almost did this or that and it would have been “closer on the scoreboard” but really was close on the field and how the Bills really are very good.
Here is the truth: the Bills are a 6 win team and a perennial loser who have beaten 2 of the 6 worst records from last year. They have the a 2nd year struggling QB and were on the road. And they had a 21-7 halftime lead and win a relatively easy 28-14 victory.
This Bills team is not a contender and likely not a playoff team either.
the bills made the playoffs in 2017. they have a lot of talent on that team and a tough defense. sure, it's tough being in a division w the pats, but buffalo is not some shit team like the giants or miami. if allen tanks it will obv set them back but he hasn't even played 16 games yet so jury is out. so far they team is 2-0 with two road wins. sure the giants defense can make any shit QB look like a star, but allen made some nice plays to keep drives alive this past sunday.
is in desperate need of media training. Lots of clumsy answers to questions over the years. Holmgren was right about him, very smart but lacking a bit in how he projects himself in public
Did you hear that Buffalo used Shurmur's comment about Allen having a "chance to be starting QB" in the NFL as actual bulletin board material?
They were apparently pretty pissed about the comment...
be, that's really pathetic that you would use this as some sort of indictment on PS. It was a benign comment that the sensitive little Bill's tried to blow out of proportion, and frankly was the saddest example of bulletin board material I've ever heard of.
PS is 5-13 as HC of the Giants. He is going to get the next 30 games to turn that around, and we'll know if he will develop into a winner. We'll see...but I give 2 craps if some 2nd rate team and city is offended by a nothing comment, and frankly am shocked you would bring this up as proof of anything.
You know there are some great valid points made in this thread Â
Posts I disagree with but done by many by posters I have respect for and who have been on BBi for at least a couple of years. Posters who have laid it out here either right or wrong
But for the life of me, you fucks who just showed up the last two weeks are about the biggest group of assbags I have ever seen on here! You run your mouths in troubling times but are too pussified to be on here year round
is in desperate need of media training. Lots of clumsy answers to questions over the years. Holmgren was right about him, very smart but lacking a bit in how he projects himself in public
Did you hear that Buffalo used Shurmur's comment about Allen having a "chance to be starting QB" in the NFL as actual bulletin board material?
They were apparently pretty pissed about the comment...
be, that's really pathetic that you would use this as some sort of indictment on PS. It was a benign comment that the sensitive little Bill's tried to blow out of proportion, and frankly was the saddest example of bulletin board material I've ever heard of.
PS is 5-13 as HC of the Giants. He is going to get the next 30 games to turn that around, and we'll know if he will develop into a winner. We'll see...but I give 2 craps if some 2nd rate team and city is offended by a nothing comment, and frankly am shocked you would bring this up as proof of anything.
Shurmur is basically saying that we really did play closer in these games mentioning “one score games” and how we almost did this or that and it would have been “closer on the scoreboard” but really was close on the field and how the Bills really are very good.
Here is the truth: the Bills are a 6 win team and a perennial loser who have beaten 2 of the 6 worst records from last year. They have the a 2nd year struggling QB and were on the road. And they had a 21-7 halftime lead and win a relatively easy 28-14 victory.
This Bills team is not a contender and likely not a playoff team either.
the bills made the playoffs in 2017. they have a lot of talent on that team and a tough defense. sure, it's tough being in a division w the pats, but buffalo is not some shit team like the giants or miami. if allen tanks it will obv set them back but he hasn't even played 16 games yet so jury is out. so far they team is 2-0 with two road wins. sure the giants defense can make any shit QB look like a star, but allen made some nice plays to keep drives alive this past sunday.
I don't understand the point of your comment. The poster you're responding to was just saying that the Bills are "a 6 win team... not a contender and likely not a playoff team" which is why the Giants losing to them looked really bad. I mean the Bills were 6-10 last year, that was just a true statement. You try to come back saying they're not such a bad team, and at first I thought you were saying that to make the point that the Giants have lost to 2 good teams so let's not rush to judge NYG so quickly. But then in the same post you say the Giants are one of the worst 2 teams in the league along with Miami. So you agree the Giants are an awful team with no direction (I assume you think this considering you're lumping them in with Miami), so what were you trying to say in your post? Were you just defending the Bills' honor? I mean the guy said "likely not a playoff team", they aren't bottom of the barrel bad like the Giants or Miami (like you said), but no one was saying they're bottom of the barrel bad. So, what was the purpose of your post (is all I'm asking, and I'm asking seriously not trying to be a dick).
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Not saying its not time but Eli just seems to be dealt a shit hand at every turn.
I mean he's at the end of his career with two rings, over a quarter of a billion dollars in take home pay, his health, and a shot at the hall of fame. Can we not make him out to be a sad story?
Did you hear that Buffalo used Shurmur's comment about Allen having a "chance to be starting QB" in the NFL as actual bulletin board material?
They were apparently pretty pissed about the comment...
be, that's really pathetic that you would use this as some sort of indictment on PS. It was a benign comment that the sensitive little Bill's tried to blow out of proportion, and frankly was the saddest example of bulletin board material I've ever heard of.
PS is 5-13 as HC of the Giants. He is going to get the next 30 games to turn that around, and we'll know if he will develop into a winner. We'll see...but I give 2 craps if some 2nd rate team and city is offended by a nothing comment, and frankly am shocked you would bring this up as proof of anything.
Let me introduce you to Coaching 101, and perhaps this will alleviate your state of shock.
Never say anything about an opponent that can be construed as negative or insulting. Never.
We have a coach who can’t even get that right. Despite how refreshing his “honesty” might sound to the uninformed.
It’s pretty clear he’s not
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and think "this is the guy to run my team".
When you hear him communicate some of these answers and in general, you have to wonder how exactly he has gotten two head coaching jobs.
NFL legacy hire - his uncle was a long time DC and HC.
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and think "this is the guy to run my team".
When you hear him communicate some of these answers and in general, you have to wonder how exactly he has gotten two head coaching jobs.
He's good in the room.
Lol makes you wonder what the hell these guys are doing in the room
If in fact Eli is benched after a game in which he played without his top four receivers that would be a shame. Not saying its not time but Eli just seems to be dealt a shit hand at every turn.
Like Phil Simms said, "The NFL sh*ts on everyone no matter who you are".
There are very few players who go out on their own terms.
All we heard about how the offense was better without Odell and Eli would thrive being able to spread it around.
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and think "this is the guy to run my team".
It’s pretty clear he’s not
Clearly the ownership is incompetent. They cited a target of 70% passing completiong AGAIN and hired another wco HC. Incompetent orgs and their metric based goals, someone in the org has Mara and/or Tisch's ear with the analaytics bullcrap.
If in fact Eli is benched after a game in which he played without his top four receivers that would be a shame. Not saying its not time but Eli just seems to be dealt a shit hand at every turn.
Dude, he's not closing.
You need an GlenGary refresher.
And Eli needs to sit.
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His answer to that was pathetic.
i've read here from credible posters that shurmur was not their first choice as HC and that either others turned them down or mara intervened to push shurmur, since giants are known for this.
plenty of gettlemans personnel decisions have flopped so far (omameh, stewart, lauletta, kennard, etc), but theres been a talent infusion at OL and RB. unfortunately seemingly every other position on the team has gotten worse, and combined with a coach who was not the first choice, and it's no surprise things haven't started to turn around quicker.
should've pulled the plug on eli and blown it all up after 2017, but it is what it is at this point. sad that barkley's prime years will be wasted with shurmur.
All we heard about how the offense was better without Odell and Eli would thrive being able to spread it around.
Stop
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You are 15-36 as HC, why are you the guy to turn this around?
His answer to that was pathetic.
That was the worst part.
He was basically given an open question that said, "sell yourself."
He could not do it. How he could not was odd and it speaks to his own abilities to lead.
He will scapegoat his DC after this year. And when next year goes south, he will get his pink slip.
i've read here from credible posters that shurmur was not their first choice as HC and that either others turned them down or mara intervened to push shurmur, since giants are known for this.
plenty of gettlemans personnel decisions have flopped so far (omameh, stewart, lauletta, kennard, etc), but theres been a talent infusion at OL and RB. unfortunately seemingly every other position on the team has gotten worse, and combined with a coach who was not the first choice, and it's no surprise things haven't started to turn around quicker.
should've pulled the plug on eli and blown it all up after 2017, but it is what it is at this point. sad that barkley's prime years will be wasted with shurmur.
If your scenario is correct, this would be perhaps the third 3rd time Gettleman made a decision to placate Mara.
At that point, I have to wonder if he is nothing more than a seat warmer who is just happy to be collecting a salary.
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You are 15-36 as HC, why are you the guy to turn this around?
His answer to that was pathetic.
What was his answer
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Not a Shumur fan at all, but these interviews are so stupid. Yeah, he is going to say "we stink, we are not getting better, don't show up anymore." If you are going to interview and try to probe the mindset and decision making then they can be interesting (depending on the coach), but if you just want to humiliate someone, it is rather easy to do to unsuccessful coaches. But, at the same time, it does not take great skills to do that other than a big mouth.
Between him and Gettleman this team is fucking lost. Utterly and completely lost.
Good to see you back. I know you're on the record about your feelings on Shurmur but I'm surprised to hear you say that about Gettlemen. It seemed like you were a big fan of his bigger moves this offseason (letting Collins walk, drafting DJ, trading Beckham, etc.). What changed? Starting and keeping Eli?
This is one of the major reasons I hate the guy as the coach. I said it to my brother during the game that Shurmur being the petty prick that he is will give Saquon the touches in this weeks game just so he can call out in the presser that he did what the media asked for last week and it got no results. Of course as we were leaving the game within the first freaking sentence of his presser he needs to point out that Saquon got his touches and they lost the game. I lost it with him and feeling like he had the right personality as a coach during last years post game presser when he basically shat all over Lauletta as a player killing any value of his just so he can throw it in the media's face that he knows better than them in keeping Lauletta inactive. A coach of his career record has no ground to stand on to be that petty.
Between him and Gettleman this team is fucking lost. Utterly and completely lost.
They did trade OBJ tho
BTW, welcome back
I doubt this was the conversation:
DG: Line is fixed. Old Eli in 2019!
Mara: Are you sure? He looks done...
DG: Positive - Eli will be good as new. Clubhouse fixed.
Mara: O...K... If you're sure.
How can you can you call this an interview?? This is mike not letting explanations happen, they are just let me put you on the spot and then bash a little more.
You can do exactly what Mike was doing by asking questions, not making YOUR opinion statements in a veiled question that you follow up with (while PS tries to answer) with more shots...
I didn't hear anything from Pat Shurmur that was negative or a sign he is incapable. These interviews, if any of you find them a sign of his coaching ability, is akin to Mara listening to the fans opinions before making decisions..
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and think "this is the guy to run my team".
When you hear him communicate some of these answers and in general, you have to wonder how exactly he has gotten two head coaching jobs.
NFL legacy hire - his uncle was a long time DC and HC.
got his son Kyle a job on Andy Reid's practice squad too
If you think Jones succeeds with Fowler and TJ Jones as his top two receivers I would suggest you re-think things. In fact I would rather they roll Eli out there with these guys until Tate and Shep come back so Jones has a shot to get off on the right foot.
And if you re-read what I originally said I did admit its time to see Jones.
Let Pat answer the question you just asked!!!!
Agreed and he does it with everyone. Even guys he likes like Eli, Aikman, and Danielson. Let alone guys he doesn't like lol.
He's got an absolutely terrible interview style and has been that way for years. He'll come up with some good questions and isn't afraid to ask the tough ones but what good is it if you don't let them answer them?
How can you can you call this an interview?? This is mike not letting explanations happen, they are just let me put you on the spot and then bash a little more.
You can do exactly what Mike was doing by asking questions, not making YOUR opinion statements in a veiled question that you follow up with (while PS tries to answer) with more shots...
I didn't hear anything from Pat Shurmur that was negative or a sign he is incapable. These interviews, if any of you find them a sign of his coaching ability, is akin to Mara listening to the fans opinions before making decisions..
Shurmur was trying to say yesterdays game was closer than it appeared AKA asking for a moral victory. He also didn't have an answer for why he should be the coach moving forward. You don't view that as a problem?
"Well actually Barkley touched the ball a lot"
"Well actually the game was closer than it looked"
"Well actually remember that this was a 5 win team last year."
Did you hear that Buffalo used Shurmur's comment about Allen having a "chance to be starting QB" in the NFL as actual bulletin board material?
They were apparently pretty pissed about the comment...
And to think, the Giants just fired a coach two years ago who had the exact same communication issues.
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and think "this is the guy to run my team".
When you hear him communicate some of these answers and in general, you have to wonder how exactly he has gotten two head coaching jobs.
Nepotism
Fritz Shurmur was a great DC
Maybe that is more family name than nepotism
It seems PS was saying without being allowed to that this is a very young team....cut off......and probably wanted to say let's see how they progress.
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in your assessment of this interview. This was filled with Mike's self stroking and interrupting PS. I am not impressed with this interview at all.
How can you can you call this an interview?? This is mike not letting explanations happen, they are just let me put you on the spot and then bash a little more.
You can do exactly what Mike was doing by asking questions, not making YOUR opinion statements in a veiled question that you follow up with (while PS tries to answer) with more shots...
I didn't hear anything from Pat Shurmur that was negative or a sign he is incapable. These interviews, if any of you find them a sign of his coaching ability, is akin to Mara listening to the fans opinions before making decisions..
Shurmur was trying to say yesterdays game was closer than it appeared AKA asking for a moral victory. He also didn't have an answer for why he should be the coach moving forward. You don't view that as a problem? [/quote
NOPE... And, that is your interpretation of what he said. He didnt say it was a moral victory, he countered MF's assessment that the Giants were not in the game and were flat out beaten. Shurmurs points were valid.
Really.......... This was the wrong coach to hire, IMO
Here is the truth: the Bills are a 6 win team and a perennial loser who have beaten 2 of the 6 worst records from last year. They have the a 2nd year struggling QB and were on the road. And they had a 21-7 halftime lead and win a relatively easy 28-14 victory.
This Bills team is not a contender and likely not a playoff team either.
If you think Jones succeeds with Fowler and TJ Jones as his top two receivers I would suggest you re-think things. In fact I would rather they roll Eli out there with these guys until Tate and Shep come back so Jones has a shot to get off on the right foot.
And if you re-read what I originally said I did admit its time to see Jones.
Not every QB needs big name receivers, an all pro offensive line and an all pro running back to be successful. Stop making excuses for Eli, it’s something every year. When Odel was here he still couldn’t function. It’s always something.
If in fact Eli is benched after a game in which he played without his top four receivers that would be a shame. Not saying its not time but Eli just seems to be dealt a shit hand at every turn.
I’ll always believe that as well. Yes he hasn’t been the solution here the last few years there’s no denying that but his teams fucking SUCKED lately. Eli did so much more good than bad here even leaving out the super bowl wins.
If the team was good enough, Eli was good enough. And you can’t say that about a lot of QBs throughout history. It’s as simple as that. He wasn’t perfect but Eli was better than this. I have no doubts.
Here is the truth: the Bills are a 6 win team and a perennial loser who have beaten 2 of the 6 worst records from last year. They have the a 2nd year struggling QB and were on the road. And they had a 21-7 halftime lead and win a relatively easy 28-14 victory.
This Bills team is not a contender and likely not a playoff team either.
the bills made the playoffs in 2017. they have a lot of talent on that team and a tough defense. sure, it's tough being in a division w the pats, but buffalo is not some shit team like the giants or miami. if allen tanks it will obv set them back but he hasn't even played 16 games yet so jury is out. so far they team is 2-0 with two road wins. sure the giants defense can make any shit QB look like a star, but allen made some nice plays to keep drives alive this past sunday.
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is in desperate need of media training. Lots of clumsy answers to questions over the years. Holmgren was right about him, very smart but lacking a bit in how he projects himself in public
Did you hear that Buffalo used Shurmur's comment about Allen having a "chance to be starting QB" in the NFL as actual bulletin board material?
They were apparently pretty pissed about the comment...
be, that's really pathetic that you would use this as some sort of indictment on PS. It was a benign comment that the sensitive little Bill's tried to blow out of proportion, and frankly was the saddest example of bulletin board material I've ever heard of.
PS is 5-13 as HC of the Giants. He is going to get the next 30 games to turn that around, and we'll know if he will develop into a winner. We'll see...but I give 2 craps if some 2nd rate team and city is offended by a nothing comment, and frankly am shocked you would bring this up as proof of anything.
But for the life of me, you fucks who just showed up the last two weeks are about the biggest group of assbags I have ever seen on here! You run your mouths in troubling times but are too pussified to be on here year round
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In comment 14580885 Les in TO said:
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is in desperate need of media training. Lots of clumsy answers to questions over the years. Holmgren was right about him, very smart but lacking a bit in how he projects himself in public
Did you hear that Buffalo used Shurmur's comment about Allen having a "chance to be starting QB" in the NFL as actual bulletin board material?
They were apparently pretty pissed about the comment...
be, that's really pathetic that you would use this as some sort of indictment on PS. It was a benign comment that the sensitive little Bill's tried to blow out of proportion, and frankly was the saddest example of bulletin board material I've ever heard of.
PS is 5-13 as HC of the Giants. He is going to get the next 30 games to turn that around, and we'll know if he will develop into a winner. We'll see...but I give 2 craps if some 2nd rate team and city is offended by a nothing comment, and frankly am shocked you would bring this up as proof of anything.
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Shurmur is basically saying that we really did play closer in these games mentioning “one score games” and how we almost did this or that and it would have been “closer on the scoreboard” but really was close on the field and how the Bills really are very good.
Here is the truth: the Bills are a 6 win team and a perennial loser who have beaten 2 of the 6 worst records from last year. They have the a 2nd year struggling QB and were on the road. And they had a 21-7 halftime lead and win a relatively easy 28-14 victory.
This Bills team is not a contender and likely not a playoff team either.
the bills made the playoffs in 2017. they have a lot of talent on that team and a tough defense. sure, it's tough being in a division w the pats, but buffalo is not some shit team like the giants or miami. if allen tanks it will obv set them back but he hasn't even played 16 games yet so jury is out. so far they team is 2-0 with two road wins. sure the giants defense can make any shit QB look like a star, but allen made some nice plays to keep drives alive this past sunday.
I don't understand the point of your comment. The poster you're responding to was just saying that the Bills are "a 6 win team... not a contender and likely not a playoff team" which is why the Giants losing to them looked really bad. I mean the Bills were 6-10 last year, that was just a true statement. You try to come back saying they're not such a bad team, and at first I thought you were saying that to make the point that the Giants have lost to 2 good teams so let's not rush to judge NYG so quickly. But then in the same post you say the Giants are one of the worst 2 teams in the league along with Miami. So you agree the Giants are an awful team with no direction (I assume you think this considering you're lumping them in with Miami), so what were you trying to say in your post? Were you just defending the Bills' honor? I mean the guy said "likely not a playoff team", they aren't bottom of the barrel bad like the Giants or Miami (like you said), but no one was saying they're bottom of the barrel bad. So, what was the purpose of your post (is all I'm asking, and I'm asking seriously not trying to be a dick).
I mean he's at the end of his career with two rings, over a quarter of a billion dollars in take home pay, his health, and a shot at the hall of fame. Can we not make him out to be a sad story?
Did you hear that Buffalo used Shurmur's comment about Allen having a "chance to be starting QB" in the NFL as actual bulletin board material?
They were apparently pretty pissed about the comment...
be, that's really pathetic that you would use this as some sort of indictment on PS. It was a benign comment that the sensitive little Bill's tried to blow out of proportion, and frankly was the saddest example of bulletin board material I've ever heard of.
PS is 5-13 as HC of the Giants. He is going to get the next 30 games to turn that around, and we'll know if he will develop into a winner. We'll see...but I give 2 craps if some 2nd rate team and city is offended by a nothing comment, and frankly am shocked you would bring this up as proof of anything.
Let me introduce you to Coaching 101, and perhaps this will alleviate your state of shock.
Never say anything about an opponent that can be construed as negative or insulting. Never.
We have a coach who can’t even get that right. Despite how refreshing his “honesty” might sound to the uninformed.
You’re welcome.