Since I live in Boston, I depend on BBI for Giants news and analysis. And I get the excitement of transitioning to the team’s first-round rookie QB. But man, the contempt for Eli coming from some posters is off the charts.
Me? It breaks my (football) heart. I have nothing but gratitude for Eli Manning. I hate watching this play out.
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Woof.
Like I said, low class
Cry for me.
You do more than enough of that, and quite well, on your own
'It's glee, it's crying, it's glee, it'crying.'
God, you guys can't even make up your minds.
And heaven forbid some Giants fans aren't happy with the performance of the team over the past now 7+ years. Guess we should all be happy with the downright embarrassing record this team has over the past 7 years, and the winning of a combined 8 games over the pat 2+ seasons.
Like I said, earlier. Some of us care more about the team than a single player. I'll never feel bad about that, and neither will anyone else who feels the same. Deal with that and accept it.
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people tend to dig their heels in. It's amazing to me how a line has been drawn in the sand here, for the most valuable player in our franchises history.
I love Eli and still think he can play, but once Jones was drafted you would have to be clueless to think this would work. It's time to move on, and not ripping the band aid off during the off-season has created this Chinese water torture during the regular season.
It’s because no one, not Gettleman, Mara, Shurmur, the fanbase, no one, is certain of what Daniel Jones is. ...
Let's find out.
But the last 7 years have been painful to watch . They just aren’t fun to watch anymore other than to see what Barkley is going to do...
2012-2018 (7 years)gave Eli the worst Oline to work with. Useless Oline. But now that the Oline is almost average, Eli has slowed down noticeably.
Heaven forbid some of us have the temerity to wonder if he might be outplayed by Daniel Jones.
I honestly don't get the hangers on for Eli Manning...great career but it's over.
I root for the Giants over Eli Manning every day of the week.
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Woof.
Like I said, low class
Cry for me.
You do more than enough of that, and quite well, on your own
'It's glee, it's crying, it's glee, it'crying.'
God, you guys can't even make up your minds.
And heaven forbid some Giants fans aren't happy with the performance of the team over the past now 7+ years. Guess we should all be happy with the downright embarrassing record this team has over the past 7 years, and the winning of a combined 8 games over the pat 2+ seasons.
Like I said, earlier. Some of us care more about the team than a single player. I'll never feel bad about that, and neither will anyone else who feels the same. Deal with that and accept it.
You singled me out, again, for having a different opinion than yours. You are one of most insecure posters around here. There are many fans who want Eli to go and they talk about it. They don’t single posters out like you do, repeatedly. If what I write bothers you so much, ignore it. You notice, I never address you unless you start your nonsense like calling me by a different posters name.
But I will give you credit for something. You are, at least, rooting for a Giants QB. Finally. For long? Will be fun to see.
Its been obvious for quite some time
We could have spent that 20 million or so dollars on a few pass rushers or DBs
The end for any long time QB is never pretty if they hang around too long
Joe Namath, Phil Simms, Joe Montana . its a long list
I think he has something left but it would have to be with a very above average line and defense. That is not happening this year. So best to move on.
I definitely disagree with those who said he has been finished for a few years. Eli's skillet needs certain things. Unfortunately the team was unable to support it however hard they thought they tried.
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Woof.
Like I said, low class
Cry for me.
You do more than enough of that, and quite well, on your own
'It's glee, it's crying, it's glee, it'crying.'
God, you guys can't even make up your minds.
And heaven forbid some Giants fans aren't happy with the performance of the team over the past now 7+ years. Guess we should all be happy with the downright embarrassing record this team has over the past 7 years, and the winning of a combined 8 games over the pat 2+ seasons.
Like I said, earlier. Some of us care more about the team than a single player. I'll never feel bad about that, and neither will anyone else who feels the same. Deal with that and accept it.
You singled me out, again, for having a different opinion than yours. You are one of most insecure posters around here. There are many fans who want Eli to go and they talk about it. They don’t single posters out like you do, repeatedly. If what I write bothers you so much, ignore it. You notice, I never address you unless you start your nonsense like calling me by a different posters name.
But I will give you credit for something. You are, at least, rooting for a Giants QB. Finally. For long? Will be fun to see.
And I'll continue to address your posts as I see fit. Post ridiculous, temper-tantrum babyish shit like "Eli deserves to play with Tate and Shepard" and I'll tell you how idiotic that is.
And your last paragraph is the problem with you, and some others. You can be a fan of a player and still be honest enough to place partial blame on a player for 7 straight years of failure.
And when Eli is gone we'll see how long you remain a Giants fan, if at all. That's the real interesting thing to see.
I love Eli and still think he can play, but once Jones was drafted you would have to be clueless to think this would work. It's time to move on, and not ripping the band aid off during the off-season has created this Chinese water torture during the regular season.
To be fair, there IS a way this could have worked: Eli stops this from being a conversation by playing great football. Nobody would be calling for Jones of the offense was working. Or competitive. But when you have 0 passing yards through almost half of a football game, people start to ask questions. Or they should start to ask questions
Two games? This offense hasn’t scored in 4 years and there’s one constant.
Eli Manning, and as far as I know, Eli Manning's mother do not post on BBI. Eli Manning doesn't know fans on BBI have said some less than nice things about him, and that they don't want him to start games anymore.
I can't think of a single BBIer who wants Manning to sit because they don't like him. BBIers want him to sit because he's not very good, the team is not very good, and neither of those things seem to be getting better.
It's not glee, it's not disrespect. It's not personal. We don't know him, he doesn't know us.
Fans want the Giants to fast forward getting better at football, no matter what.
And everyone's response to you is where is the 'tar and feathering?' Provide examples.
This team is still paying the price for Mara hanging on to Reese & Ross way too long, and for firing Major Tom and
hiring McAdoo.
DG has a good start on revitalizing the roster, but there still isn't enough talent and the current coaches are pretty questionable, too. Frankly I've seen better expansion teams that the GIANTS have fielded in recent years. And the teams from the 15 years of lousy football were more fun to watch, too.
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Woof.
Like I said, low class
Cry for me.
You do more than enough of that, and quite well, on your own
'It's glee, it's crying, it's glee, it'crying.'
God, you guys can't even make up your minds.
And heaven forbid some Giants fans aren't happy with the performance of the team over the past now 7+ years. Guess we should all be happy with the downright embarrassing record this team has over the past 7 years, and the winning of a combined 8 games over the pat 2+ seasons.
Like I said, earlier. Some of us care more about the team than a single player. I'll never feel bad about that, and neither will anyone else who feels the same. Deal with that and accept it.
You singled me out, again, for having a different opinion than yours. You are one of most insecure posters around here. There are many fans who want Eli to go and they talk about it. They don’t single posters out like you do, repeatedly. If what I write bothers you so much, ignore it. You notice, I never address you unless you start your nonsense like calling me by a different posters name.
But I will give you credit for something. You are, at least, rooting for a Giants QB. Finally. For long? Will be fun to see.
And I'll continue to address your posts as I see fit. Post ridiculous, temper-tantrum babyish shit like "Eli deserves to play with Tate and Shepard" and I'll tell you how idiotic that is.
And your last paragraph is the problem with you, and some others. You can be a fan of a player and still be honest enough to place partial blame on a player for 7 straight years of failure.
And when Eli is gone we'll see how long you remain a Giants fan, if at all. That's the real interesting thing to see.
You’re having a conversation with yourself now. As usual. “Temper tantrum babyish shit” Here’s a little advice. Stop projecting your own emotional garbage onto other posters. It makes you look foolish.
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Woof.
Like I said, low class
Cry for me.
You do more than enough of that, and quite well, on your own
'It's glee, it's crying, it's glee, it'crying.'
God, you guys can't even make up your minds.
And heaven forbid some Giants fans aren't happy with the performance of the team over the past now 7+ years. Guess we should all be happy with the downright embarrassing record this team has over the past 7 years, and the winning of a combined 8 games over the pat 2+ seasons.
Like I said, earlier. Some of us care more about the team than a single player. I'll never feel bad about that, and neither will anyone else who feels the same. Deal with that and accept it.
You singled me out, again, for having a different opinion than yours. You are one of most insecure posters around here. There are many fans who want Eli to go and they talk about it. They don’t single posters out like you do, repeatedly. If what I write bothers you so much, ignore it. You notice, I never address you unless you start your nonsense like calling me by a different posters name.
But I will give you credit for something. You are, at least, rooting for a Giants QB. Finally. For long? Will be fun to see.
And I'll continue to address your posts as I see fit. Post ridiculous, temper-tantrum babyish shit like "Eli deserves to play with Tate and Shepard" and I'll tell you how idiotic that is.
And your last paragraph is the problem with you, and some others. You can be a fan of a player and still be honest enough to place partial blame on a player for 7 straight years of failure.
And when Eli is gone we'll see how long you remain a Giants fan, if at all. That's the real interesting thing to see.
You’re having a conversation with yourself now. As usual. “Temper tantrum babyish shit” Here’s a little advice. Stop projecting your own emotional garbage onto other posters. It makes you look foolish.
You should've just said, "I concede." Got it.
Honestly I see no difference, he’s making or not making the same throws as in the past. Footwork is heavy and he’s often flat .
His coaching has been terrible as well the last 3 plus years .
Projecting yet again. Fascinating. You’re denser than the deer crap my dog ate this weekend
Well, at least we'd be able to complete a pass to saquon in the flat.
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'denser.'
Dear Lord, the irony.
Eli could have gone out on his own terms. he chose not to. there is absolutely zero reason to concern ourselves with his feelings. we should pay tribute but it has no affect on how I feel about making a change.
and if we had drafted Kyler Murray would he be playing? of course he would be. so why not DJ?
However, he is probably a HOF QB who won two Super Bowls. He got to play a lot of his career with a HOF coach and some great players around him. He has fared better than Rivers (but not BR) in terms of his situation. He has made more money than any player in franchise history and perhaps, the NFL. It's sad that it has come to this. But while he has been QB we have all had some serious, real tragedies in our lives. This isn't one of them.
He is no longer athletic enough to run the team and keep the defense off balance. I watched other games yesterday. EVERY QB has to move in the pocket. Every one....the 'running QBs' and the 'pocket passers.' It's not just the QB who runs for first downs. Even Ryan had to run around a lot yesterday. Eli can't move in the pocket anymore. They should not have brought him back. But even if they did, at this time, with this team, in this situation...it is time!
Eli Manning, and as far as I know, Eli Manning's mother do not post on BBI. Eli Manning doesn't know fans on BBI have said some less than nice things about him, and that they don't want him to start games anymore.
I can't think of a single BBIer who wants Manning to sit because they don't like him. BBIers want him to sit because he's not very good, the team is not very good, and neither of those things seem to be getting better.
It's not glee, it's not disrespect. It's not personal. We don't know him, he doesn't know us.
Fans want the Giants to fast forward getting better at football, no matter what.
Well said, Christian. I like a lot of what you post.
I don't think this thread has even uncovered an individual instance of glee
You weren't on this board when the Eagles were in the Super Bowl.
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Just moving forward. Do you remember when a Gmen moved forward with Jeff Hostetler over Simms? Well, Eli will be 39 in January and we have nothing to gain playing him. He had two games and looked mediocre to poor, so why not let the kid get his feet wet? Surely our braintrust now realizes we can’t make the playoffs with this defense. Hopefully, they get better each week though.
This never happened. Hostetler filled in for an injured Simms and won the Super Bowl. Perhaps you are referring to Scott Brunner?
And Hostetler was named the starting quarterback for the next season
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heck trolls on this site were rooting for the Eagles to win a SB ffs.
You weren't on this board when the Eagles were in the Super Bowl.
I hope you’re joking.
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But the last 7 years have been painful to watch . They just aren’t fun to watch anymore other than to see what Barkley is going to do...
2012-2018 (7 years)gave Eli the worst Oline to work with. Useless Oline. But now that the Oline is almost average, Eli has slowed down noticeably.
More excuses.
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So just to recap, there's no glee, right?
I don't think this thread has even uncovered an individual instance of glee
I'm quite bummed for Manning. He seems like a good dude. I've enjoyed rooting for him.
There is nothing approaching glee to be felt in any of this.
Eli has had 7 years of excuses
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But the last 7 years have been painful to watch . They just aren’t fun to watch anymore other than to see what Barkley is going to do...
2012-2018 (7 years)gave Eli the worst Oline to work with. Useless Oline. But now that the Oline is almost average, Eli has slowed down noticeably.
More excuses.
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So just to recap, there's no glee, right?
I don't think this thread has even uncovered an individual instance of glee
I'm quite bummed for Manning. He seems like a good dude. I've enjoyed rooting for him.
There is nothing approaching glee to be felt in any of this.
I'm with you. Hard to put my finger on exactly what about the team has made me not go to any of the games I've had tickets to since the Saints last year but watching him play like this and on this team is certainly up there. (I've gone to many seasons where they are out of contention until the end) Don't think he goes to the HoF now, if hangs it up earlier or gets to a better situation than this I think he had a good shot. That's sad for someone who put us on his back for those titles including an amazing performance against the best team I've ever seen. For me nothing comes close to that game as a sports memory even being 2nd row for the 41-0 NFC championship game.
I spent a lot of time even before his first SB win defending him because I totally respect the way he carries himself and goes about his job and he was often a target of being underestimated and ridiculed for his demeanor. Seems to be exactly the guy he was when he came into the league (easier coming from where he did) but never got a big ego.
You could put it on him to say maybe he should have retired but he's a competitor, not in his DNA. I honestly think some of the i'll play for another team stuff was to pressure the Giants and fuck with them. Certainly nice if the team aids in helping to guide you out to pasture in a favorable way to your legacy. And who knows if that Geno Smith thing wasn't bungled so hard if he would have been responsive to, hey, we will give you this season and next but if we don't get winning by then you hang it up happily as a Giant? Maybe even at the end of that season. But no, they embarrassed an incredibly competitive guy and we will never know how it could have gone if this team could honestly self assess and form a cohesive plan better.
Nevertheless, after 7 years of team hell and lots of money besides, it is time to move on.
I wish him well, but please move on Eli.
I know this is difficult for many people to understand, but this is not about blaming Eli.
It's about acknowledging that this team isn't good enough to win this year, and won't be good enough again until after Eli's contract (and likely his career, ultimately) is over. Meanwhile, Jones is waiting in the wings as the #6 overall pick in the draft. If and when the Giants are competitive again, it will most likely be with Jones at QB.
It's just time.
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people tend to dig their heels in. It's amazing to me how a line has been drawn in the sand here, for the most valuable player in our franchises history.
I love Eli and still think he can play, but once Jones was drafted you would have to be clueless to think this would work. It's time to move on, and not ripping the band aid off during the off-season has created this Chinese water torture during the regular season.
It’s because no one, not Gettleman, Mara, Shurmur, the fanbase, no one, is certain of what Daniel Jones is. Eli remains here as security and he brings his wisdom; and for the fans to show this level of disdain for him is baffling and more than a little nauseating
The fact that you're reading it as disdain, while not especially surprising for you, is the problem.