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A lot of glee at the prospect of benching #10

exiled : 9/16/2019 4:35 pm
Since I live in Boston, I depend on BBI for Giants news and analysis. And I get the excitement of transitioning to the teamís first-round rookie QB. But man, the contempt for Eli coming from some posters is off the charts.

Me? It breaks my (football) heart. I have nothing but gratitude for Eli Manning. I hate watching this play out.
Not a lot of glee  
jcn56 : 9/16/2019 4:37 pm : link
there are always going to be a few outliers, but the vast majority are less out for Eli to be benched and more anxious to see Jones start getting some reps and experience.
I have no contempt for Eli Manning and I never will  
Jints in Carolina : 9/16/2019 4:37 pm : link
But it's over and Jones needs to play.
too defeated...  
2cents : 9/16/2019 4:38 pm : link
to expand much. but I promise i have zero 'glee' about anything giants football at the moment.
Trolls who watch too much espn  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/16/2019 4:39 pm : link
heck trolls on this site were rooting for the Eagles to win a SB ffs.
I Sense Very Little Glee  
Jeffrey : 9/16/2019 4:41 pm : link
As someone who has wanted the team to move on at QB for some time now, I do not see any "glee" over the benching of one of the classiest players to ever wear a Giants uniform. It is an incredible shame to see how this played out and I blame ownership and management for the bungling that has occurred.
I'm a huge Eli fan  
steve in ky : 9/16/2019 4:41 pm : link
And nothing would have made me happier than he and the team playing well and his remaining the starter all season. It's not playing out that way.

If this was a great and talented team Eli would be more than capable of playing the roll of the aging successful qb leading the team for one last playoff run. But this isn't a very good team and each week it becomes more apparent there is little benefit of Eli starting other than nostalgia and emotions. I don't know when the best time is to make the switch because I don't now if the coaches believe Jones is ready. You don't want to throw him to the wolves but put him in a postilion to if not succeed by winning at least not get overwhelmed and shell shocked. But if they feel he can handle it then they might as well get him in there sooner than later. He gains valuable experience, the organization gets to better gauge what they have in him, and with his added mobility he may actually bring enough dimensions to this offense to where they are more effective. Lean heavily on Barkley and let Jones grow into the position.
there was some glee  
bluepepper : 9/16/2019 4:41 pm : link
when TC got fired. Lots of glee when Reese got fired. It's the nature of the beast. I wish everyone would be more civil and all but it is what it is. And it's not new so don't blame social media or millennials or whatever.
What are you talking about?  
Josh in the City : 9/16/2019 4:41 pm : link
This team has been dreadful on offense for a very long time. There's always another excuse as to why. Poor oline play, poor coaching, not enough weapons, no running game. Through that time there has been one consistent. As much as we can love Eli for what he did almost a decade ago, it's time to move on. You can simultaneously appreciate #10 while also acknowledging that fact.
Rarely ends well in sports  
Oscar : 9/16/2019 4:42 pm : link
Eli will get a big ovation at the 20 year reunion of that 2007 team. Heíll probably have his number retired. Heís got a nice family and a huge bank account. Heís just not very good anymore.
huh.  
Britt in VA : 9/16/2019 4:42 pm : link
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Glee?  
greek13 : 9/16/2019 4:42 pm : link
This is life not just sports - we are late
Why any difference than Simms ? LT?
Retire
Celebrate him
Honor
Move on
cant it be both?  
nygiants16 : 9/16/2019 4:42 pm : link
excited for a new era but also sad anothwr era is ending?
If you ate steak every night  
cjac : 9/16/2019 4:43 pm : link
for 15 years

wouldnt the thought of eating salmon be really exciting?
RE: Trolls who watch too much espn  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 9/16/2019 4:43 pm : link
In comment 14580916 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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heck trolls on this site were rooting for the Eagles to win a SB ffs.


Look whoís talking about trolls a known one!
RE: I have no contempt for Eli Manning and I never will  
Justlurking : 9/16/2019 4:45 pm : link
In comment 14580908 Jints in Carolina said:
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But it's over and Jones needs to play.
I would been been  
greek13 : 9/16/2019 4:45 pm : link
Sad if we did it a few years ago - not after 8-26 or whatever it is
Could happen cause fans want it, and think It will change  
TMS : 9/16/2019 4:47 pm : link
everything. Do not agree. We have a bad defense filled with new faces learning the game. No healthy wide receivers either. We will improve like last year.
Glee  
Thegratefulhead : 9/16/2019 4:48 pm : link
Is way overblown, I haven't seen it. Perhaps you could point directly to one of these gleeful posts that has made you make your post it would put things into perspective better.

I have seen some glee, but that glee revolves specifically around some posters that have been arguing about ELI for a long time. The arguments have far too often gotten personal and the baggage is both deep and long.

I think that has been a great misunderstanding here for more than 5 years. I don't think there is as much hating Eli Manning as people claim.

I think there was a whole bunch of hating some of the people that were defending Eli and the manner in which they were defending him. The reverse is equally true, there were no innocent parties, myself included.

It may not happen this week but we know it's happening. It will be a relief to all of us to no longer be fighting about Eli Manning.
You can blame Management for this  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 9/16/2019 4:49 pm : link
Instead of doing what many thought should happen when we drafted Daniel Jones and cut or try to get Eli to accept a trade, the prolonged the whole thing, so that a change would happen in the middle of a season.

If we are honest about this, we should have cut ties with Eli 2 years ago. Last year we all knew was going to be rough even with management telling us it wasnít going to be.

They tried to correct a perceived wrong by the fans and this is what lead to this messy ending.

Contempt for Eli?  
section125 : 9/16/2019 4:50 pm : link
There comes a point in time when a beloved sports figure is done - unable to do the job for which he is getting paid. Jeter was cooked the year he retired(maybe the year before). Mickey Mantle was done before 1968 and his lifetime BA dropped below .300 because of it. Some guys go out on their own terms. Some are forced to leave.
Eli has a decent line now. Yes his receivers are pedestrian. But he is throwing ducks and quails on many of his throws. He has an All Pro RB and a VG TE. Yesterday he had 3 or 4 balls knocked down at the LoS one of which was intercepted. He made one nice TD pass and even that was wobbling all over the place. He cannot complete a pass on the move anymore.

We all love what Eli did, how tough he still is, the class he has always shown on and off the field, how he stands up for his teammates even when they did not for him. But these past two games he just has not looked like a guy with a purported strengthened arm.

It is not treating Eli with contempt, it is father time and reality. Unless something changes real fast, his days are numbered and that number is a single digit.
Glee?  
DonQuixote : 9/16/2019 4:53 pm : link
You write...

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Me? It breaks my (football) heart. I have nothing but gratitude for Eli Manning. I hate watching this play out.


So would you continue playing Manning? When would that end? Before you go criticizing others, maybe you can tell us how it would be handled better.

Eli is very much done. The Giants are going through the motions. I am really sorry that breaks your football heart, but what is your plan of action here?
Agree  
BBelle21 : 9/16/2019 4:53 pm : link
Itís crass and low class. Even surprising on some level. I understand the frustration with losing and itís clearly Eliís turn on the plank as far as some fans are concerned, but itís still disturbing to watch. Gettleman could have gone for a pass rusher, but he went for Daniel Jones in Eliís final year. I think Eli should be given his weapons back before getting blamed for the inept defense. I donít think itís fair for Jones to come in and have Golden Tate and Sterling to throw to.
Giants fans  
Les in TO : 9/16/2019 4:53 pm : link
Are tired of losing and as the QB is the most important position on the field and as Jones looked great in the preseason, we are ready for the change which in my view is a number of years too late. Itís not meant to be disrespectful to Eli but more so ready to move on to brighter times
Not glee  
5BowlsSoon : 9/16/2019 4:54 pm : link
Just moving forward. Do you remember when a Gmen moved forward with Jeff Hostetler over Simms? Well, Eli will be 39 in January and we have nothing to gain playing him. He had two games and looked mediocre to poor, so why not let the kid get his feet wet? Surely our braintrust now realizes we canít make the playoffs with this defense. Hopefully, they get better each week though.
I think it is probably time to move on  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 9/16/2019 4:54 pm : link
That said, watching the video today at his locker is really kind of sad. Proud guy that has given his all -even if that isn't enough at this point. Hate to see a class act like Eli likely end this way. But these kind of endings are more typical than the guy who wins big and retires.

I know he makes a lot of money and there are some here that will point to that as a reason not to feel sorry for him. I don't share that view. He is human after all and is doing it because he still wants to win. He has been a great representative of the Giants as a man and an athlete. I wish it would end differently.
RE: What are you talking about?  
clatterbuck : 9/16/2019 4:55 pm : link
In comment 14580924 Josh in the City said:
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This team has been dreadful on offense for a very long time. There's always another excuse as to why. Poor oline play, poor coaching, not enough weapons, no running game. Through that time there has been one consistent. As much as we can love Eli for what he did almost a decade ago, it's time to move on. You can simultaneously appreciate #10 while also acknowledging that fact.


Please name the QB that would have been successful with "Poor oline play, poor coaching, not enough weapons, no running game?" Thanks.
After the last 7 years of hell, Giants fans deserve to feel  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/16/2019 4:55 pm : link
something different. It's also not glee. But if that makes you feel better at night, then feel free to believe it's glee. Some of us are actually more concerned with the future of the franchise then one player.

Tough for some to fathom. I know.
RE: Agree  
DonQuixote : 9/16/2019 4:56 pm : link
In comment 14580967 BBelle21 said:
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I donít think itís fair for Jones to come in and have Golden Tate and Sterling to throw to.


Are you saying Eli Manning has not been given a chance with this team??
RE: RE: What are you talking about?  
nygiants16 : 9/16/2019 4:57 pm : link
In comment 14580973 clatterbuck said:
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This team has been dreadful on offense for a very long time. There's always another excuse as to why. Poor oline play, poor coaching, not enough weapons, no running game. Through that time there has been one consistent. As much as we can love Eli for what he did almost a decade ago, it's time to move on. You can simultaneously appreciate #10 while also acknowledging that fact.



Please name the QB that would have been successful with "Poor oline play, poor coaching, not enough weapons, no running game?" Thanks.


do you watch other teams play ot jist giants?
RE: Not glee  
KingBlue : 9/16/2019 4:59 pm : link
In comment 14580970 5BowlsSoon said:
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Just moving forward. Do you remember when a Gmen moved forward with Jeff Hostetler over Simms? Well, Eli will be 39 in January and we have nothing to gain playing him. He had two games and looked mediocre to poor, so why not let the kid get his feet wet? Surely our braintrust now realizes we canít make the playoffs with this defense. Hopefully, they get better each week though.


This never happened. Hostetler filled in for an injured Simms and won the Super Bowl. Perhaps you are referring to Scott Brunner?
John Mara  
MookGiants : 9/16/2019 4:59 pm : link
and the entire organization botched this less than 2 years ago.

They had their easy out, streak was over, McAdoo was thenscape goat, and instead they went all in on Eli in 2018.

John Mara and Gettleman are responsible for this mess. It makes me incredibly sad that Eli, one of the greatest Giants of all time, may not make the hall of fame as a result. Right or wrong, voters will remember how poorly it ended in New York. It didnt have to be this way, but the owner and GM fucked it up royally. The last two years have benefitted no one, not Eli, not John Mara, not the fans, not DG or PS. Not the team. Making the mistake of bringing Eli back in 2018 was bad enough, doubling down on 2019 should have anyone who truly was in favor of doing so fired.

This was remarkably easy to see happening before it even happened. But not to the owner or GM or coach somehow. That scares the hell out of me for our future
I Don't Think  
lax counsel : 9/16/2019 5:00 pm : link
That describes any true Giants fan. What Giants fans see is a qb who no longer serves a purpose in the Giants future. They drafted a qb at #6 overall who showed a lot of promise in the preseason. There is no purpose to pursuing this season with Eli any further.

Fans will thank Eli for everything he has done and when he returns for his ring of honor ceremony, he will be given a hero's welcome. No one will remember the last days of Eli hobbling around and going to the bench, they will remember the escape and throw to Tyree, they will remember the sideline dime to Manningham, they will remember him holding up the trophy. But right now, we are Giants fans first, not Manning fan's first.

There is no good reason to sit Jones anymore. You sit a qb when you have a disaster of an Oline and nothing around him - like David Carr. That will not be the case for Jones. He will have a competent oline (for the first time in forever), a star running back, and competent WRs when Shepard and Tate return. If he falls on his face and you know he won't be the guy, you can move on quicker and potentially strike in what will be two relatively strong upcoming qb classes. If he is the guy he was in the preseason, great you have a star for the next decade plus.

To say any true Giants flee is happy about Manning's impending benching, is simply false. What fans are anxious to see is if Jones is the future.
Maninning deserves the chance to be out there Sunday.  
Since1965 : 9/16/2019 5:00 pm : link
It's still early in the season, geeze just two games. If things aren't going well, can always put Jones in for the second half or fourth quarter or whatever. In times gone by, if a starting QB was going badly, he'd get pulled and the backup was given a change to see if he could improve things. Kind of like a relief pitcher coming in. I don't see that this needs to be an all or nothing proposition.
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BBelle21 : 9/16/2019 5:00 pm : link
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I donít think itís fair for Jones to come in and have Golden Tate and Sterling to throw to.



Are you saying Eli Manning has not been given a chance with this team??


I said he should get to throw to Golden Tate and Sterling. Not sure what youíre insinuating when itís pretty straight forward
RE: RE: Not glee  
steve in ky : 9/16/2019 5:03 pm : link
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Just moving forward. Do you remember when a Gmen moved forward with Jeff Hostetler over Simms? Well, Eli will be 39 in January and we have nothing to gain playing him. He had two games and looked mediocre to poor, so why not let the kid get his feet wet? Surely our braintrust now realizes we canít make the playoffs with this defense. Hopefully, they get better each week though.



This never happened. Hostetler filled in for an injured Simms and won the Super Bowl. Perhaps you are referring to Scott Brunner?


Didn't Handley name Hoss as starter over Simms?
RE: I Don't Think  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/16/2019 5:03 pm : link
In comment 14580988 lax counsel said:
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There is no purpose to pursuing this season with Eli any further.


That is literally all that needs to be said.
Like most opinions nowadays  
aimrocky : 9/16/2019 5:04 pm : link
people tend to dig their heels in. It's amazing to me how a line has been drawn in the sand here, for the most valuable player in our franchises history.

I love Eli and still think he can play, but once Jones was drafted you would have to be clueless to think this would work. It's time to move on, and not ripping the band aid off during the off-season has created this Chinese water torture during the regular season.
Oh FFS  
GiantsRage2007 : 9/16/2019 5:04 pm : link
The name on the front of the jersey is always more important than the name on the back.

Heís an all time great.

Even LT had to hang em up.
I'm happy they're potentially making the switch  
AcesUp : 9/16/2019 5:04 pm : link
If you want to call that glee then it's glee. Eli hasn't been a good QB in recent years and they need upgrade the QB position. Getting your 6th pick game reps is a start. All that doesn't change the fact that he's one of the greatest Giants players of all time.

Also, these posts are childish. Eli has had a very successful career, won a couple of super bowls, made boat loads of money and has a beautiful family. He'll be okay, you don't need to bother yourself worrying about him.
RE: I have no contempt for Eli Manning and I never will  
eli4life : 9/16/2019 5:06 pm : link
In comment 14580908 Jints in Carolina said:
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But it's over and Jones needs to play.


This ...Eli will always have a place in my heart personally and as qb of this team. Unfortunately unless the great ones just walk away like an elway not including winning the sb this is how it goes. Sad to see it play out like this. Whether he can still play or not this team is not good at all and itís time to start playing for the future and if you arenít in the future plans you shouldnít be playing if we have a younger guy to replace them.

Perfect world he gets to play all year we win a bunch of games and contend for the post season but this is anything but perfect.
I think purely wanting to see Jones and it making  
NoGainDayne : 9/16/2019 5:07 pm : link
a lot of strategic sense overall is enough.

But in addition I want Eli to sit down because it pains me to watch a great Giant go out like this. This team has loser written all over it regardless of how my roster turnover weíve seen.

Problem is this stench of failure canít be washed of with a QB that hasnít had it in years. Perhaps the biggest reason I want to see Jones is a new young QB can completely change the energy of a team.

Playing Jones actually would give us a better indication if we might have some players that could look better if there wasnít a palpable frustration on this team.
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KingBlue : 9/16/2019 5:09 pm : link
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Just moving forward. Do you remember when a Gmen moved forward with Jeff Hostetler over Simms? Well, Eli will be 39 in January and we have nothing to gain playing him. He had two games and looked mediocre to poor, so why not let the kid get his feet wet? Surely our braintrust now realizes we canít make the playoffs with this defense. Hopefully, they get better each week though.



This never happened. Hostetler filled in for an injured Simms and won the Super Bowl. Perhaps you are referring to Scott Brunner?



Didn't Handley name Hoss as starter over Simms?


One of Parcells first decisions as coach was to replace Simms as the starting quarterback with Brunner. Simms asked to be traded after the benching, but his request was ignored. During the sixth game of the Giants' 1983 Season, Simms came in to replace the struggling Brunner against the Philadelphia Eagles.
RE: Like most opinions nowadays  
BBelle21 : 9/16/2019 5:10 pm : link
In comment 14580997 aimrocky said:
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people tend to dig their heels in. It's amazing to me how a line has been drawn in the sand here, for the most valuable player in our franchises history.

I love Eli and still think he can play, but once Jones was drafted you would have to be clueless to think this would work. It's time to move on, and not ripping the band aid off during the off-season has created this Chinese water torture during the regular season.


Itís because no one, not Gettleman, Mara, Shurmur, the fanbase, no one, is certain of what Daniel Jones is. Eli remains here as security and he brings his wisdom; and for the fans to show this level of disdain for him is baffling and more than a little nauseating
I think we found jtgiant's dupe account.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/16/2019 5:11 pm : link
Woof.
No glee here  
Torrag : 9/16/2019 5:11 pm : link
Jones is inevitable long term and that's ok. I would wish Eli had a functional WR unit to try and get a good start this season.
What is crazy to me  
rocco8112 : 9/16/2019 5:11 pm : link
is that I am not certain he can not still bring value to a team and win. Doesn't matter though as all he does not is lose.

That said the offense still is the strength of the team, sad as that may be. Eli has left it all out there and is my favorite pro athlete of all time. 2007 was the damn mountain top, that was an immortal run. They he shuts up the fools who called it a fluke with an MVP type 2011 run where he hoisted the team up on his right arm to a title. Setting records for 4th quarter TD's and passing yards in a playoff run. Passing to victory when everyone in the stadium knew the Giants has to air it out. Eli used to be money, the bigger the game the better he plays, and still is the only QB to run a two minute drill to win a Super Bowl when only a TD would do. The only one ever and he did it against the "best team" of all time.

He also has never missed a game due to injury, that is fucking incredible and evidence of undeniable heart and will. He has never played hurt? Please. I fully expect the Giants to get scorched by three scores in Tampa and then Jones to be put in week 4. Within three weeks max Jones will get dinged and immortal Eli will be rolled out again. You can almost bank on it.

This franchise is a joke and the team and HC put out there are losers and to give themselves some breathing room they will go with Jones. Shurmur is chomping at the bit now to make the switch to scapegoat Eli to save his bacon, likely he will be a losing HC with Jones as well. Maybe third time will be the charm to replace TC, who was scapegoated previously.

Why did they even bring Eli back in the first place?

Many are waiting to pop champagne when the plug is pulled on Eli. Careful what you wish for, many have anointed Jones based on preseason, but likely he will not even be a shadow of what Eli was.
It is not a question of Eli's capabilities  
kdog77 : 9/16/2019 5:12 pm : link
But rather of whether he is the right fit for the system.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Not glee  
KingBlue : 9/16/2019 5:13 pm : link
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Just moving forward. Do you remember when a Gmen moved forward with Jeff Hostetler over Simms? Well, Eli will be 39 in January and we have nothing to gain playing him. He had two games and looked mediocre to poor, so why not let the kid get his feet wet? Surely our braintrust now realizes we canít make the playoffs with this defense. Hopefully, they get better each week though.



This never happened. Hostetler filled in for an injured Simms and won the Super Bowl. Perhaps you are referring to Scott Brunner?



Didn't Handley name Hoss as starter over Simms?



One of Parcells first decisions as coach was to replace Simms as the starting quarterback with Brunner. Simms asked to be traded after the benching, but his request was ignored. During the sixth game of the Giants' 1983 Season, Simms came in to replace the struggling Brunner against the Philadelphia Eagles.


Steve, you might be right. I think Simms was coming off of injury...but Hostetler beat Simms out... I think you might be right. I kind of blocked out the Handley years.
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steve in ky : 9/16/2019 5:15 pm : link
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Just moving forward. Do you remember when a Gmen moved forward with Jeff Hostetler over Simms? Well, Eli will be 39 in January and we have nothing to gain playing him. He had two games and looked mediocre to poor, so why not let the kid get his feet wet? Surely our braintrust now realizes we canít make the playoffs with this defense. Hopefully, they get better each week though.



This never happened. Hostetler filled in for an injured Simms and won the Super Bowl. Perhaps you are referring to Scott Brunner?



Didn't Handley name Hoss as starter over Simms?



One of Parcells first decisions as coach was to replace Simms as the starting quarterback with Brunner. Simms asked to be traded after the benching, but his request was ignored. During the sixth game of the Giants' 1983 Season, Simms came in to replace the struggling Brunner against the Philadelphia Eagles.


I'm not talking about in that. 5Bowls mentioned Hoss being replaced for an aging Simms, you corrected him and said it never happened other than Hoss filling in for an injured Simms during the Super Bowl run, and asked if he meant Scott Brunner.

I brought up that I remember Handley indeed benching Simms for Hoss and that may have been what 5Bowls was referring to.
No  
GiantsUA : 9/16/2019 5:15 pm : link
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You know what? Put me in the Glee camp.  
V.I.G. : 9/16/2019 5:16 pm : link
I want this franchise to start winning again. Those that have for years seen that Eli was part of the problem, not part of the solution, yes, are exited to turn the page. If DJ sux, so be it, we can no longer win with Eli.

-I want to feel that optimism again, that we can beat any team, not vice versa
-I want to see a franchise that doesn't make all their roster decisions based on what's best for the Eli myth
-I want to see Barkley on a team that can compete
-I want to see Engram on a team that can compete
-I want to see some YAC
-I want to see a Opposing Ds that respect the pass
-I want to see our D with the confidence in our O, and make a stop

Maybe not 2019, but glee in the hope of 2020. Count me in. TFDJ.

Sorry, not sorry.

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steve in ky : 9/16/2019 5:16 pm : link
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Just moving forward. Do you remember when a Gmen moved forward with Jeff Hostetler over Simms? Well, Eli will be 39 in January and we have nothing to gain playing him. He had two games and looked mediocre to poor, so why not let the kid get his feet wet? Surely our braintrust now realizes we canít make the playoffs with this defense. Hopefully, they get better each week though.



This never happened. Hostetler filled in for an injured Simms and won the Super Bowl. Perhaps you are referring to Scott Brunner?



Didn't Handley name Hoss as starter over Simms?



One of Parcells first decisions as coach was to replace Simms as the starting quarterback with Brunner. Simms asked to be traded after the benching, but his request was ignored. During the sixth game of the Giants' 1983 Season, Simms came in to replace the struggling Brunner against the Philadelphia Eagles.



Steve, you might be right. I think Simms was coming off of injury...but Hostetler beat Simms out... I think you might be right. I kind of blocked out the Handley years.


Sorry I was typing while you already replayed.

We all try and block out the Handley years (grin)
Watching Manning has been incredibly infuriating for so long, with  
MM_in_NYC : 9/16/2019 5:16 pm : link
only brief moments of wild exuberance. I don't feel like I owe him a damn thing at this point. The last $100 million he was paid should be enough. I really don't care about his feelings.
NFL is usually a harsh business  
micky : 9/16/2019 5:19 pm : link
Sentiment is usually brushed aside. Fans can get all emotional for their beloved player, but it's usually far cry from billions of dollars business
RE: I think we found jtgiant's dupe account.  
BBelle21 : 9/16/2019 5:23 pm : link
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Woof.


Like I said, low class
RE: RE: I think we found jtgiant's dupe account.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/16/2019 5:24 pm : link
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Woof.



Like I said, low class


Cry for me.
RE: I have no contempt for Eli Manning and I never will  
mrvax : 9/16/2019 5:25 pm : link
In comment 14580908 Jints in Carolina said:
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But it's over and Jones needs to play.


I agree. The so-called glee probably comes to many posters insistance that Jones takes over and we are stuck with Eli. To me, it's more of an overkill on Eli's faults and some BBIers believe that the more you blast poor old Eli, the sooner Jones comes in.

There is little doubt in my mind that DJ presents a more likely chance to win now.
RE: RE: RE: I think we found jtgiant's dupe account.  
BBelle21 : 9/16/2019 5:26 pm : link
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Woof.



Like I said, low class



Cry for me.


You do more than enough of that, and quite well, on your own
I donít know any Giants fan showing glee  
dpinzow : 9/16/2019 5:26 pm : link
from my perspective it is melancholy because weíre seeing a legend at the end and everyone knows what has to happen now
Not Glee from me, appreciate  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 9/16/2019 5:28 pm : link
How Eli has held himself in this market for 16 years. Appreciate him beating Brady twice when everyone said they couldnít .

But the last 7 years have been painful to watch . They just arenít fun to watch anymore other than to see what Barkley is going to do.

Itís time to turn the page and move forward.

When everyone says we are one of the worst teams in football itís time to change.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I think we found jtgiant's dupe account.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/16/2019 5:29 pm : link
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Woof.



Like I said, low class



Cry for me.



You do more than enough of that, and quite well, on your own


'It's glee, it's crying, it's glee, it'crying.'

God, you guys can't even make up your minds.

And heaven forbid some Giants fans aren't happy with the performance of the team over the past now 7+ years. Guess we should all be happy with the downright embarrassing record this team has over the past 7 years, and the winning of a combined 8 games over the pat 2+ seasons.

Like I said, earlier. Some of us care more about the team than a single player. I'll never feel bad about that, and neither will anyone else who feels the same. Deal with that and accept it.
RE: RE: Like most opinions nowadays  
DonQuixote : 9/16/2019 5:32 pm : link
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people tend to dig their heels in. It's amazing to me how a line has been drawn in the sand here, for the most valuable player in our franchises history.

I love Eli and still think he can play, but once Jones was drafted you would have to be clueless to think this would work. It's time to move on, and not ripping the band aid off during the off-season has created this Chinese water torture during the regular season.



Itís because no one, not Gettleman, Mara, Shurmur, the fanbase, no one, is certain of what Daniel Jones is. ...


Let's find out.
RE: Not Glee from me, appreciate  
mrvax : 9/16/2019 5:33 pm : link
In comment 14581070 Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) said:
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But the last 7 years have been painful to watch . They just arenít fun to watch anymore other than to see what Barkley is going to do...


2012-2018 (7 years)gave Eli the worst Oline to work with. Useless Oline. But now that the Oline is almost average, Eli has slowed down noticeably.
I just want to insert the reality that Eli was not good on Sunday.  
DonQuixote : 9/16/2019 5:36 pm : link
He was outplayed by Josh Allen and Dak Prescott the week before.

Heaven forbid some of us have the temerity to wonder if he might be outplayed by Daniel Jones.

I honestly don't get the hangers on for Eli Manning...great career but it's over.

I root for the Giants over Eli Manning every day of the week.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I think we found jtgiant's dupe account.  
BBelle21 : 9/16/2019 5:38 pm : link
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Woof.



Like I said, low class



Cry for me.



You do more than enough of that, and quite well, on your own



'It's glee, it's crying, it's glee, it'crying.'

God, you guys can't even make up your minds.

And heaven forbid some Giants fans aren't happy with the performance of the team over the past now 7+ years. Guess we should all be happy with the downright embarrassing record this team has over the past 7 years, and the winning of a combined 8 games over the pat 2+ seasons.

Like I said, earlier. Some of us care more about the team than a single player. I'll never feel bad about that, and neither will anyone else who feels the same. Deal with that and accept it.


You singled me out, again, for having a different opinion than yours. You are one of most insecure posters around here. There are many fans who want Eli to go and they talk about it. They donít single posters out like you do, repeatedly. If what I write bothers you so much, ignore it. You notice, I never address you unless you start your nonsense like calling me by a different posters name.

But I will give you credit for something. You are, at least, rooting for a Giants QB. Finally. For long? Will be fun to see.
It's sad but it's the way many of them end. And sadly this is probably  
Blue21 : 9/16/2019 5:39 pm : link
how it will play out here.
He should have been waived or traded in the spring  
Batenhorst : 9/16/2019 5:40 pm : link
His decline is not a sudden occurrence

Its been obvious for quite some time

We could have spent that 20 million or so dollars on a few pass rushers or DBs

The end for any long time QB is never pretty if they hang around too long

Joe Namath, Phil Simms, Joe Montana . its a long list
Lots of losing football  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/16/2019 5:41 pm : link
has led to lots of frustration. Some will say I told you so, some will say he still has it. In time, way more positives will be remembered.

I think he has something left but it would have to be with a very above average line and defense. That is not happening this year. So best to move on.

I definitely disagree with those who said he has been finished for a few years. Eli's skillet needs certain things. Unfortunately the team was unable to support it however hard they thought they tried.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I think we found jtgiant's dupe account.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/16/2019 5:43 pm : link
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Woof.



Like I said, low class



Cry for me.



You do more than enough of that, and quite well, on your own



'It's glee, it's crying, it's glee, it'crying.'

God, you guys can't even make up your minds.

And heaven forbid some Giants fans aren't happy with the performance of the team over the past now 7+ years. Guess we should all be happy with the downright embarrassing record this team has over the past 7 years, and the winning of a combined 8 games over the pat 2+ seasons.

Like I said, earlier. Some of us care more about the team than a single player. I'll never feel bad about that, and neither will anyone else who feels the same. Deal with that and accept it.



You singled me out, again, for having a different opinion than yours. You are one of most insecure posters around here. There are many fans who want Eli to go and they talk about it. They donít single posters out like you do, repeatedly. If what I write bothers you so much, ignore it. You notice, I never address you unless you start your nonsense like calling me by a different posters name.

But I will give you credit for something. You are, at least, rooting for a Giants QB. Finally. For long? Will be fun to see.


And I'll continue to address your posts as I see fit. Post ridiculous, temper-tantrum babyish shit like "Eli deserves to play with Tate and Shepard" and I'll tell you how idiotic that is.

And your last paragraph is the problem with you, and some others. You can be a fan of a player and still be honest enough to place partial blame on a player for 7 straight years of failure.

And when Eli is gone we'll see how long you remain a Giants fan, if at all. That's the real interesting thing to see.
RE: Like most opinions nowadays  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/16/2019 5:44 pm : link
In comment 14580997 aimrocky said:
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people tend to dig their heels in. It's amazing to me how a line has been drawn in the sand here, for the most valuable player in our franchises history.

I love Eli and still think he can play, but once Jones was drafted you would have to be clueless to think this would work. It's time to move on, and not ripping the band aid off during the off-season has created this Chinese water torture during the regular season.


To be fair, there IS a way this could have worked: Eli stops this from being a conversation by playing great football. Nobody would be calling for Jones of the offense was working. Or competitive. But when you have 0 passing yards through almost half of a football game, people start to ask questions. Or they should start to ask questions
RE: Maninning deserves the chance to be out there Sunday.  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2019 5:45 pm : link
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It's still early in the season, geeze just two games. If things aren't going well, can always put Jones in for the second half or fourth quarter or whatever. In times gone by, if a starting QB was going badly, he'd get pulled and the backup was given a change to see if he could improve things. Kind of like a relief pitcher coming in. I don't see that this needs to be an all or nothing proposition.


Two games? This offense hasnít scored in 4 years and thereís one constant.
...  
christian : 9/16/2019 5:46 pm : link
The extent to which "respect" towards a player from fans on a message board means to some is quite weird.

Eli Manning, and as far as I know, Eli Manning's mother do not post on BBI. Eli Manning doesn't know fans on BBI have said some less than nice things about him, and that they don't want him to start games anymore.

I can't think of a single BBIer who wants Manning to sit because they don't like him. BBIers want him to sit because he's not very good, the team is not very good, and neither of those things seem to be getting better.

It's not glee, it's not disrespect. It's not personal. We don't know him, he doesn't know us.

Fans want the Giants to fast forward getting better at football, no matter what.
OP here  
exiled : 9/16/2019 5:49 pm : link
Itís not that I donít support DJ taking over. I trust the professionals making these decisions. (I do, actually, even our head coach.) I just see no need to tar and feather Eli on his way out. These years of epic run of disastrous football have been a team failure.
*epic run of disastrous football  
exiled : 9/16/2019 5:52 pm : link
has been a team failure
RE: OP here  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/16/2019 5:53 pm : link
In comment 14581095 exiled said:
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Itís not that I donít support DJ taking over. I trust the professionals making these decisions. (I do, actually, even our head coach.) I just see no need to tar and feather Eli on his way out. These years of epic run of disastrous football have been a team failure.


And everyone's response to you is where is the 'tar and feathering?' Provide examples.
I'm really tired of the losing, BUT  
Red Dog : 9/16/2019 5:54 pm : link
benching Eli won't change a thing.

This team is still paying the price for Mara hanging on to Reese & Ross way too long, and for firing Major Tom and
hiring McAdoo.

DG has a good start on revitalizing the roster, but there still isn't enough talent and the current coaches are pretty questionable, too. Frankly I've seen better expansion teams that the GIANTS have fielded in recent years. And the teams from the 15 years of lousy football were more fun to watch, too.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I think we found jtgiant's dupe account.  
BBelle21 : 9/16/2019 5:54 pm : link
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Woof.



Like I said, low class



Cry for me.



You do more than enough of that, and quite well, on your own



'It's glee, it's crying, it's glee, it'crying.'

God, you guys can't even make up your minds.

And heaven forbid some Giants fans aren't happy with the performance of the team over the past now 7+ years. Guess we should all be happy with the downright embarrassing record this team has over the past 7 years, and the winning of a combined 8 games over the pat 2+ seasons.

Like I said, earlier. Some of us care more about the team than a single player. I'll never feel bad about that, and neither will anyone else who feels the same. Deal with that and accept it.



You singled me out, again, for having a different opinion than yours. You are one of most insecure posters around here. There are many fans who want Eli to go and they talk about it. They donít single posters out like you do, repeatedly. If what I write bothers you so much, ignore it. You notice, I never address you unless you start your nonsense like calling me by a different posters name.

But I will give you credit for something. You are, at least, rooting for a Giants QB. Finally. For long? Will be fun to see.



And I'll continue to address your posts as I see fit. Post ridiculous, temper-tantrum babyish shit like "Eli deserves to play with Tate and Shepard" and I'll tell you how idiotic that is.

And your last paragraph is the problem with you, and some others. You can be a fan of a player and still be honest enough to place partial blame on a player for 7 straight years of failure.

And when Eli is gone we'll see how long you remain a Giants fan, if at all. That's the real interesting thing to see.


Youíre having a conversation with yourself now. As usual. ďTemper tantrum babyish shitĒ Hereís a little advice. Stop projecting your own emotional garbage onto other posters. It makes you look foolish.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I think we found jtgiant's dupe account.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/16/2019 5:55 pm : link
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Woof.



Like I said, low class



Cry for me.



You do more than enough of that, and quite well, on your own



'It's glee, it's crying, it's glee, it'crying.'

God, you guys can't even make up your minds.

And heaven forbid some Giants fans aren't happy with the performance of the team over the past now 7+ years. Guess we should all be happy with the downright embarrassing record this team has over the past 7 years, and the winning of a combined 8 games over the pat 2+ seasons.

Like I said, earlier. Some of us care more about the team than a single player. I'll never feel bad about that, and neither will anyone else who feels the same. Deal with that and accept it.



You singled me out, again, for having a different opinion than yours. You are one of most insecure posters around here. There are many fans who want Eli to go and they talk about it. They donít single posters out like you do, repeatedly. If what I write bothers you so much, ignore it. You notice, I never address you unless you start your nonsense like calling me by a different posters name.

But I will give you credit for something. You are, at least, rooting for a Giants QB. Finally. For long? Will be fun to see.



And I'll continue to address your posts as I see fit. Post ridiculous, temper-tantrum babyish shit like "Eli deserves to play with Tate and Shepard" and I'll tell you how idiotic that is.

And your last paragraph is the problem with you, and some others. You can be a fan of a player and still be honest enough to place partial blame on a player for 7 straight years of failure.

And when Eli is gone we'll see how long you remain a Giants fan, if at all. That's the real interesting thing to see.



Youíre having a conversation with yourself now. As usual. ďTemper tantrum babyish shitĒ Hereís a little advice. Stop projecting your own emotional garbage onto other posters. It makes you look foolish.


You should've just said, "I concede." Got it.
I don;'t think anyone is feeling glee  
DavidinBMNY : 9/16/2019 5:55 pm : link
It means we are losing and we suck. People are just ready for a change. Manning lost last year, he has been losing consistently. Regardless of anything else people are ready to lose with a new QB.
All offseason we heard how he lost weight and  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 9/16/2019 5:56 pm : link
Worked with a pitching coach.

Honestly I see no difference, heís making or not making the same throws as in the past. Footwork is heavy and heís often flat .

His coaching has been terrible as well the last 3 plus years .
Giants fans were booing Eli after second half yesterday  
Danny Dimes : 9/16/2019 5:59 pm : link
And yall were just booing me last month, glad the pendulum switched. Eli and I didn't think that was possible
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I think we found jtgiant's dupe account.  
BBelle21 : 9/16/2019 6:06 pm : link
You should've just said, "I concede." Got it. [/quote]

Projecting yet again. Fascinating. Youíre denser than the deer crap my dog ate this weekend
RE: I'm really tired of the losing, BUT  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/16/2019 6:07 pm : link
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benching Eli won't change a thing.


Well, at least we'd be able to complete a pass to saquon in the flat.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I think we found jtgiant's dupe account.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/16/2019 6:08 pm : link
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You should've just said, "I concede." Got it.


Projecting yet again. Fascinating. Youíre denser than the deer crap my dog ate this weekend [/quote]

'denser.'

Dear Lord, the irony.
I feel no glee at the end of Manning's career  
markky : 9/16/2019 6:15 pm : link
but we suck and we've sucked for YEARS. I'm excited to see what Jones has. He might be great or he could be Kent Graham, but we won't find out with him on the sideline. the more we know before next Spring the better.

Eli could have gone out on his own terms. he chose not to. there is absolutely zero reason to concern ourselves with his feelings. we should pay tribute but it has no affect on how I feel about making a change.

and if we had drafted Kyler Murray would he be playing? of course he would be. so why not DJ?
...  
christian : 9/16/2019 6:22 pm : link
So just to recap, there's no glee, right?
No glee  
Les in TO : 9/16/2019 6:36 pm : link
No grave pissing or tap dancing

You want to hear a sad story? I got plenty of them.  
GiantsUA : 9/16/2019 6:46 pm : link
The Eli Manning story is not one of them.
It makes many of us sad....  
Kanavis : 9/16/2019 7:08 pm : link
Seeing him loose with this crap talent. I don't want him to finish less than .500 for his career. I defended him constantly over the past few years. And yes, the team really ruined the end of his career with terrible decisions.

However, he is probably a HOF QB who won two Super Bowls. He got to play a lot of his career with a HOF coach and some great players around him. He has fared better than Rivers (but not BR) in terms of his situation. He has made more money than any player in franchise history and perhaps, the NFL. It's sad that it has come to this. But while he has been QB we have all had some serious, real tragedies in our lives. This isn't one of them.

He is no longer athletic enough to run the team and keep the defense off balance. I watched other games yesterday. EVERY QB has to move in the pocket. Every one....the 'running QBs' and the 'pocket passers.' It's not just the QB who runs for first downs. Even Ryan had to run around a lot yesterday. Eli can't move in the pocket anymore. They should not have brought him back. But even if they did, at this time, with this team, in this situation...it is time!
RE: ...  
MM_in_NYC : 9/16/2019 7:27 pm : link
In comment 14581093 christian said:
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The extent to which "respect" towards a player from fans on a message board means to some is quite weird.

Eli Manning, and as far as I know, Eli Manning's mother do not post on BBI. Eli Manning doesn't know fans on BBI have said some less than nice things about him, and that they don't want him to start games anymore.

I can't think of a single BBIer who wants Manning to sit because they don't like him. BBIers want him to sit because he's not very good, the team is not very good, and neither of those things seem to be getting better.

It's not glee, it's not disrespect. It's not personal. We don't know him, he doesn't know us.

Fans want the Giants to fast forward getting better at football, no matter what.


Well said, Christian. I like a lot of what you post.
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NoGainDayne : 9/16/2019 7:28 pm : link
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So just to recap, there's no glee, right?


I don't think this thread has even uncovered an individual instance of glee
I love Eli...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/16/2019 7:31 pm : link
But it's time.
My wife and I shed  
pjcas18 : 9/16/2019 7:32 pm : link
a tear thinking about this and discussing it tonight at the dinner table.
RE: Trolls who watch too much espn  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/16/2019 7:36 pm : link
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heck trolls on this site were rooting for the Eagles to win a SB ffs.

You weren't on this board when the Eagles were in the Super Bowl.
RE: RE: Not glee  
joeinpa : 9/16/2019 8:12 pm : link
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Just moving forward. Do you remember when a Gmen moved forward with Jeff Hostetler over Simms? Well, Eli will be 39 in January and we have nothing to gain playing him. He had two games and looked mediocre to poor, so why not let the kid get his feet wet? Surely our braintrust now realizes we canít make the playoffs with this defense. Hopefully, they get better each week though.



This never happened. Hostetler filled in for an injured Simms and won the Super Bowl. Perhaps you are referring to Scott Brunner?


And Hostetler was named the starting quarterback for the next season
"My wife and I shed a tear"  
Jim in NH : 9/16/2019 8:14 pm : link
Another National Feelings League fan heard from.
RE: RE: Trolls who watch too much espn  
Les in TO : 9/16/2019 9:01 pm : link
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heck trolls on this site were rooting for the Eagles to win a SB ffs.


You weren't on this board when the Eagles were in the Super Bowl.
lol it was his predecessor
RE: My wife and I shed  
Dutch77 : 9/16/2019 11:04 pm : link
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a tear thinking about this and discussing it tonight at the dinner table.

I hope youíre joking.
RE: RE: Not Glee from me, appreciate  
Dutch77 : 9/16/2019 11:08 pm : link
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But the last 7 years have been painful to watch . They just arenít fun to watch anymore other than to see what Barkley is going to do...



2012-2018 (7 years)gave Eli the worst Oline to work with. Useless Oline. But now that the Oline is almost average, Eli has slowed down noticeably.

More excuses.
No glee.  
Matt M. : 9/16/2019 11:09 pm : link
Not happy at all. Add it my dejection that my 10 year old is heartbroken that Eli will be done at any minute. He is the only QB he's known and my boy loves him. He got over OBJ leaving, but he is devastated about the inevitable.
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christian : 9/16/2019 11:15 pm : link
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So just to recap, there's no glee, right?



I don't think this thread has even uncovered an individual instance of glee


I'm quite bummed for Manning. He seems like a good dude. I've enjoyed rooting for him.

There is nothing approaching glee to be felt in any of this.
The worst part is if they just cut his ass we wouldn't have to watch  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/16/2019 11:19 pm : link
what is going to be 100 camera shots a game when he is on the sideline on offense.
RE: Agree  
Junior22 : 9/16/2019 11:20 pm : link
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Itís crass and low class. Even surprising on some level. I understand the frustration with losing and itís clearly Eliís turn on the plank as far as some fans are concerned, but itís still disturbing to watch. Gettleman could have gone for a pass rusher, but he went for Daniel Jones in Eliís final year. I think Eli should be given his weapons back before getting blamed for the inept defense. I donít think itís fair for Jones to come in and have Golden Tate and Sterling to throw to.


Eli has had 7 years of excuses
RE: RE: RE: Not Glee from me, appreciate  
Matt M. : 9/16/2019 11:22 pm : link
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But the last 7 years have been painful to watch . They just arenít fun to watch anymore other than to see what Barkley is going to do...



2012-2018 (7 years)gave Eli the worst Oline to work with. Useless Oline. But now that the Oline is almost average, Eli has slowed down noticeably.


More excuses.
Just to be clear, the last 7 years can't be all painful, especially when talking about Eli. For example, he had two of his best years statistically in McAdoo's offense in '14 and '15 and '16 wasn't pretty good with a playoff berth to boot.
Golden Tate isn't good enough for this kind of take.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/16/2019 11:23 pm : link
We're not in this hole because Golden Tate isn't out there.
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NoGainDayne : 9/16/2019 11:54 pm : link
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So just to recap, there's no glee, right?



I don't think this thread has even uncovered an individual instance of glee



I'm quite bummed for Manning. He seems like a good dude. I've enjoyed rooting for him.

There is nothing approaching glee to be felt in any of this.



I'm with you. Hard to put my finger on exactly what about the team has made me not go to any of the games I've had tickets to since the Saints last year but watching him play like this and on this team is certainly up there. (I've gone to many seasons where they are out of contention until the end) Don't think he goes to the HoF now, if hangs it up earlier or gets to a better situation than this I think he had a good shot. That's sad for someone who put us on his back for those titles including an amazing performance against the best team I've ever seen. For me nothing comes close to that game as a sports memory even being 2nd row for the 41-0 NFC championship game.

I spent a lot of time even before his first SB win defending him because I totally respect the way he carries himself and goes about his job and he was often a target of being underestimated and ridiculed for his demeanor. Seems to be exactly the guy he was when he came into the league (easier coming from where he did) but never got a big ego.

You could put it on him to say maybe he should have retired but he's a competitor, not in his DNA. I honestly think some of the i'll play for another team stuff was to pressure the Giants and fuck with them. Certainly nice if the team aids in helping to guide you out to pasture in a favorable way to your legacy. And who knows if that Geno Smith thing wasn't bungled so hard if he would have been responsive to, hey, we will give you this season and next but if we don't get winning by then you hang it up happily as a Giant? Maybe even at the end of that season. But no, they embarrassed an incredibly competitive guy and we will never know how it could have gone if this team could honestly self assess and form a cohesive plan better.
Time to move on  
DeepBlueJint : 9/17/2019 5:05 am : link
$20+ Million reasons why I do not care. I believe most Giant fans are truly appreciative of what Eli did to carry the team to the two Super Bowl victories. They were average teams with a few good leaders. He deserved the MVP for getting them there as well as his play in those 2 games.

Nevertheless, after 7 years of team hell and lots of money besides, it is time to move on.

I wish him well, but please move on Eli.
RE: Agree  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/17/2019 6:35 am : link
In comment 14580967 BBelle21 said:
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Itís crass and low class. Even surprising on some level. I understand the frustration with losing and itís clearly Eliís turn on the plank as far as some fans are concerned, but itís still disturbing to watch. Gettleman could have gone for a pass rusher, but he went for Daniel Jones in Eliís final year. I think Eli should be given his weapons back before getting blamed for the inept defense. I donít think itís fair for Jones to come in and have Golden Tate and Sterling to throw to.

I know this is difficult for many people to understand, but this is not about blaming Eli.

It's about acknowledging that this team isn't good enough to win this year, and won't be good enough again until after Eli's contract (and likely his career, ultimately) is over. Meanwhile, Jones is waiting in the wings as the #6 overall pick in the draft. If and when the Giants are competitive again, it will most likely be with Jones at QB.

It's just time.
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In comment 14581011 BBelle21 said:
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people tend to dig their heels in. It's amazing to me how a line has been drawn in the sand here, for the most valuable player in our franchises history.

I love Eli and still think he can play, but once Jones was drafted you would have to be clueless to think this would work. It's time to move on, and not ripping the band aid off during the off-season has created this Chinese water torture during the regular season.



Itís because no one, not Gettleman, Mara, Shurmur, the fanbase, no one, is certain of what Daniel Jones is. Eli remains here as security and he brings his wisdom; and for the fans to show this level of disdain for him is baffling and more than a little nauseating

The fact that you're reading it as disdain, while not especially surprising for you, is the problem.
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christian : 9/17/2019 7:34 am : link
I've posted this many, many times over the last years -- I've wanted the Giants to move on after 2017 -- and I will never forgive Mara for using Manning as a stopgap and getting him beat physically in the lame attempt to capture a happy ending.
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