A lot of glee at the prospect of benching #10

there are always going to be a few outliers, but the vast majority are less out for Eli to be benched and more anxious to see Jones start getting some reps and experience.

But it's over and Jones needs to play.

to expand much. but I promise i have zero 'glee' about anything giants football at the moment.

heck trolls on this site were rooting for the Eagles to win a SB ffs.

As someone who has wanted the team to move on at QB for some time now, I do not see any "glee" over the benching of one of the classiest players to ever wear a Giants uniform. It is an incredible shame to see how this played out and I blame ownership and management for the bungling that has occurred.

And nothing would have made me happier than he and the team playing well and his remaining the starter all season. It's not playing out that way.

If this was a great and talented team Eli would be more than capable of playing the roll of the aging successful qb leading the team for one last playoff run. But this isn't a very good team and each week it becomes more apparent there is little benefit of Eli starting other than nostalgia and emotions. I don't know when the best time is to make the switch because I don't now if the coaches believe Jones is ready. You don't want to throw him to the wolves but put him in a postilion to if not succeed by winning at least not get overwhelmed and shell shocked. But if they feel he can handle it then they might as well get him in there sooner than later. He gains valuable experience, the organization gets to better gauge what they have in him, and with his added mobility he may actually bring enough dimensions to this offense to where they are more effective. Lean heavily on Barkley and let Jones grow into the position.

when TC got fired. Lots of glee when Reese got fired. It's the nature of the beast. I wish everyone would be more civil and all but it is what it is. And it's not new so don't blame social media or millennials or whatever.

This team has been dreadful on offense for a very long time. There's always another excuse as to why. Poor oline play, poor coaching, not enough weapons, no running game. Through that time there has been one consistent. As much as we can love Eli for what he did almost a decade ago, it's time to move on. You can simultaneously appreciate #10 while also acknowledging that fact.

Eli will get a big ovation at the 20 year reunion of that 2007 team. He’ll probably have his number retired. He’s got a nice family and a huge bank account. He’s just not very good anymore.

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This is life not just sports - we are late
Why any difference than Simms ? LT?
Retire
Celebrate him
Honor
Move on

excited for a new era but also sad anothwr era is ending?

for 15 years

wouldnt the thought of eating salmon be really exciting?

In comment 14580916 Coach Red Beaulieu said:

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heck trolls on this site were rooting for the Eagles to win a SB ffs.

Look who’s talking about trolls a known one!

In comment 14580908 Jints in Carolina said:

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But it's over and Jones needs to play.

Sad if we did it a few years ago - not after 8-26 or whatever it is

everything. Do not agree. We have a bad defense filled with new faces learning the game. No healthy wide receivers either. We will improve like last year.

Is way overblown, I haven't seen it. Perhaps you could point directly to one of these gleeful posts that has made you make your post it would put things into perspective better.

I have seen some glee, but that glee revolves specifically around some posters that have been arguing about ELI for a long time. The arguments have far too often gotten personal and the baggage is both deep and long.

I think that has been a great misunderstanding here for more than 5 years. I don't think there is as much hating Eli Manning as people claim.

I think there was a whole bunch of hating some of the people that were defending Eli and the manner in which they were defending him. The reverse is equally true, there were no innocent parties, myself included.

It may not happen this week but we know it's happening. It will be a relief to all of us to no longer be fighting about Eli Manning.

Instead of doing what many thought should happen when we drafted Daniel Jones and cut or try to get Eli to accept a trade, the prolonged the whole thing, so that a change would happen in the middle of a season.

If we are honest about this, we should have cut ties with Eli 2 years ago. Last year we all knew was going to be rough even with management telling us it wasn’t going to be.

They tried to correct a perceived wrong by the fans and this is what lead to this messy ending.

There comes a point in time when a beloved sports figure is done - unable to do the job for which he is getting paid. Jeter was cooked the year he retired(maybe the year before). Mickey Mantle was done before 1968 and his lifetime BA dropped below .300 because of it. Some guys go out on their own terms. Some are forced to leave.
Eli has a decent line now. Yes his receivers are pedestrian. But he is throwing ducks and quails on many of his throws. He has an All Pro RB and a VG TE. Yesterday he had 3 or 4 balls knocked down at the LoS one of which was intercepted. He made one nice TD pass and even that was wobbling all over the place. He cannot complete a pass on the move anymore.

We all love what Eli did, how tough he still is, the class he has always shown on and off the field, how he stands up for his teammates even when they did not for him. But these past two games he just has not looked like a guy with a purported strengthened arm.

It is not treating Eli with contempt, it is father time and reality. Unless something changes real fast, his days are numbered and that number is a single digit.

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Me? It breaks my (football) heart. I have nothing but gratitude for Eli Manning. I hate watching this play out.

So would you continue playing Manning? When would that end? Before you go criticizing others, maybe you can tell us how it would be handled better.

Eli is very much done. The Giants are going through the motions. I am really sorry that breaks your football heart, but what is your plan of action here?

It’s crass and low class. Even surprising on some level. I understand the frustration with losing and it’s clearly Eli’s turn on the plank as far as some fans are concerned, but it’s still disturbing to watch. Gettleman could have gone for a pass rusher, but he went for Daniel Jones in Eli’s final year. I think Eli should be given his weapons back before getting blamed for the inept defense. I don’t think it’s fair for Jones to come in and have Golden Tate and Sterling to throw to.

Are tired of losing and as the QB is the most important position on the field and as Jones looked great in the preseason, we are ready for the change which in my view is a number of years too late. It’s not meant to be disrespectful to Eli but more so ready to move on to brighter times

Just moving forward. Do you remember when a Gmen moved forward with Jeff Hostetler over Simms? Well, Eli will be 39 in January and we have nothing to gain playing him. He had two games and looked mediocre to poor, so why not let the kid get his feet wet? Surely our braintrust now realizes we can’t make the playoffs with this defense. Hopefully, they get better each week though.

That said, watching the video today at his locker is really kind of sad. Proud guy that has given his all -even if that isn't enough at this point. Hate to see a class act like Eli likely end this way. But these kind of endings are more typical than the guy who wins big and retires.

I know he makes a lot of money and there are some here that will point to that as a reason not to feel sorry for him. I don't share that view. He is human after all and is doing it because he still wants to win. He has been a great representative of the Giants as a man and an athlete. I wish it would end differently.

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This team has been dreadful on offense for a very long time. There's always another excuse as to why. Poor oline play, poor coaching, not enough weapons, no running game. Through that time there has been one consistent. As much as we can love Eli for what he did almost a decade ago, it's time to move on. You can simultaneously appreciate #10 while also acknowledging that fact.

Please name the QB that would have been successful with "Poor oline play, poor coaching, not enough weapons, no running game?" Thanks.

something different. It's also not glee. But if that makes you feel better at night, then feel free to believe it's glee. Some of us are actually more concerned with the future of the franchise then one player.

Tough for some to fathom. I know.

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I don’t think it’s fair for Jones to come in and have Golden Tate and Sterling to throw to.

Are you saying Eli Manning has not been given a chance with this team??

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In comment 14580924 Josh in the City said: Quote: This team has been dreadful on offense for a very long time. There's always another excuse as to why. Poor oline play, poor coaching, not enough weapons, no running game. Through that time there has been one consistent. As much as we can love Eli for what he did almost a decade ago, it's time to move on. You can simultaneously appreciate #10 while also acknowledging that fact. Please name the QB that would have been successful with "Poor oline play, poor coaching, not enough weapons, no running game?" Thanks.

do you watch other teams play ot jist giants?

In comment 14580970 5BowlsSoon said:

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Just moving forward. Do you remember when a Gmen moved forward with Jeff Hostetler over Simms? Well, Eli will be 39 in January and we have nothing to gain playing him. He had two games and looked mediocre to poor, so why not let the kid get his feet wet? Surely our braintrust now realizes we can’t make the playoffs with this defense. Hopefully, they get better each week though.

This never happened. Hostetler filled in for an injured Simms and won the Super Bowl. Perhaps you are referring to Scott Brunner?

and the entire organization botched this less than 2 years ago.

They had their easy out, streak was over, McAdoo was thenscape goat, and instead they went all in on Eli in 2018.

John Mara and Gettleman are responsible for this mess. It makes me incredibly sad that Eli, one of the greatest Giants of all time, may not make the hall of fame as a result. Right or wrong, voters will remember how poorly it ended in New York. It didnt have to be this way, but the owner and GM fucked it up royally. The last two years have benefitted no one, not Eli, not John Mara, not the fans, not DG or PS. Not the team. Making the mistake of bringing Eli back in 2018 was bad enough, doubling down on 2019 should have anyone who truly was in favor of doing so fired.

This was remarkably easy to see happening before it even happened. But not to the owner or GM or coach somehow. That scares the hell out of me for our future

That describes any true Giants fan. What Giants fans see is a qb who no longer serves a purpose in the Giants future. They drafted a qb at #6 overall who showed a lot of promise in the preseason. There is no purpose to pursuing this season with Eli any further.

Fans will thank Eli for everything he has done and when he returns for his ring of honor ceremony, he will be given a hero's welcome. No one will remember the last days of Eli hobbling around and going to the bench, they will remember the escape and throw to Tyree, they will remember the sideline dime to Manningham, they will remember him holding up the trophy. But right now, we are Giants fans first, not Manning fan's first.

There is no good reason to sit Jones anymore. You sit a qb when you have a disaster of an Oline and nothing around him - like David Carr. That will not be the case for Jones. He will have a competent oline (for the first time in forever), a star running back, and competent WRs when Shepard and Tate return. If he falls on his face and you know he won't be the guy, you can move on quicker and potentially strike in what will be two relatively strong upcoming qb classes. If he is the guy he was in the preseason, great you have a star for the next decade plus.

To say any true Giants flee is happy about Manning's impending benching, is simply false. What fans are anxious to see is if Jones is the future.

It's still early in the season, geeze just two games. If things aren't going well, can always put Jones in for the second half or fourth quarter or whatever. In times gone by, if a starting QB was going badly, he'd get pulled and the backup was given a change to see if he could improve things. Kind of like a relief pitcher coming in. I don't see that this needs to be an all or nothing proposition.

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In comment 14580967 BBelle21 said: Quote: I don’t think it’s fair for Jones to come in and have Golden Tate and Sterling to throw to. Are you saying Eli Manning has not been given a chance with this team??

I said he should get to throw to Golden Tate and Sterling. Not sure what you’re insinuating when it’s pretty straight forward

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In comment 14580970 5BowlsSoon said: Quote: Just moving forward. Do you remember when a Gmen moved forward with Jeff Hostetler over Simms? Well, Eli will be 39 in January and we have nothing to gain playing him. He had two games and looked mediocre to poor, so why not let the kid get his feet wet? Surely our braintrust now realizes we can’t make the playoffs with this defense. Hopefully, they get better each week though. This never happened. Hostetler filled in for an injured Simms and won the Super Bowl. Perhaps you are referring to Scott Brunner?

Didn't Handley name Hoss as starter over Simms?

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There is no purpose to pursuing this season with Eli any further.

That is literally all that needs to be said.

people tend to dig their heels in. It's amazing to me how a line has been drawn in the sand here, for the most valuable player in our franchises history.

I love Eli and still think he can play, but once Jones was drafted you would have to be clueless to think this would work. It's time to move on, and not ripping the band aid off during the off-season has created this Chinese water torture during the regular season.

The name on the front of the jersey is always more important than the name on the back.

He’s an all time great.

Even LT had to hang em up.

If you want to call that glee then it's glee. Eli hasn't been a good QB in recent years and they need upgrade the QB position. Getting your 6th pick game reps is a start. All that doesn't change the fact that he's one of the greatest Giants players of all time.

Also, these posts are childish. Eli has had a very successful career, won a couple of super bowls, made boat loads of money and has a beautiful family. He'll be okay, you don't need to bother yourself worrying about him.

In comment 14580908 Jints in Carolina said:

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But it's over and Jones needs to play.

This ...Eli will always have a place in my heart personally and as qb of this team. Unfortunately unless the great ones just walk away like an elway not including winning the sb this is how it goes. Sad to see it play out like this. Whether he can still play or not this team is not good at all and it’s time to start playing for the future and if you aren’t in the future plans you shouldn’t be playing if we have a younger guy to replace them.

Perfect world he gets to play all year we win a bunch of games and contend for the post season but this is anything but perfect.

a lot of strategic sense overall is enough.

But in addition I want Eli to sit down because it pains me to watch a great Giant go out like this. This team has loser written all over it regardless of how my roster turnover we’ve seen.

Problem is this stench of failure can’t be washed of with a QB that hasn’t had it in years. Perhaps the biggest reason I want to see Jones is a new young QB can completely change the energy of a team.

Playing Jones actually would give us a better indication if we might have some players that could look better if there wasn’t a palpable frustration on this team.

In comment 14580993 steve in ky said:

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In comment 14580985 KingBlue said: Quote: In comment 14580970 5BowlsSoon said: Quote: Just moving forward. Do you remember when a Gmen moved forward with Jeff Hostetler over Simms? Well, Eli will be 39 in January and we have nothing to gain playing him. He had two games and looked mediocre to poor, so why not let the kid get his feet wet? Surely our braintrust now realizes we can’t make the playoffs with this defense. Hopefully, they get better each week though. This never happened. Hostetler filled in for an injured Simms and won the Super Bowl. Perhaps you are referring to Scott Brunner? Didn't Handley name Hoss as starter over Simms?

One of Parcells first decisions as coach was to replace Simms as the starting quarterback with Brunner. Simms asked to be traded after the benching, but his request was ignored. During the sixth game of the Giants' 1983 Season, Simms came in to replace the struggling Brunner against the Philadelphia Eagles.

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people tend to dig their heels in. It's amazing to me how a line has been drawn in the sand here, for the most valuable player in our franchises history. I love Eli and still think he can play, but once Jones was drafted you would have to be clueless to think this would work. It's time to move on, and not ripping the band aid off during the off-season has created this Chinese water torture during the regular season.

It’s because no one, not Gettleman, Mara, Shurmur, the fanbase, no one, is certain of what Daniel Jones is. Eli remains here as security and he brings his wisdom; and for the fans to show this level of disdain for him is baffling and more than a little nauseating

Woof.

Jones is inevitable long term and that's ok. I would wish Eli had a functional WR unit to try and get a good start this season.

is that I am not certain he can not still bring value to a team and win. Doesn't matter though as all he does not is lose.

That said the offense still is the strength of the team, sad as that may be. Eli has left it all out there and is my favorite pro athlete of all time. 2007 was the damn mountain top, that was an immortal run. They he shuts up the fools who called it a fluke with an MVP type 2011 run where he hoisted the team up on his right arm to a title. Setting records for 4th quarter TD's and passing yards in a playoff run. Passing to victory when everyone in the stadium knew the Giants has to air it out. Eli used to be money, the bigger the game the better he plays, and still is the only QB to run a two minute drill to win a Super Bowl when only a TD would do. The only one ever and he did it against the "best team" of all time.

He also has never missed a game due to injury, that is fucking incredible and evidence of undeniable heart and will. He has never played hurt? Please. I fully expect the Giants to get scorched by three scores in Tampa and then Jones to be put in week 4. Within three weeks max Jones will get dinged and immortal Eli will be rolled out again. You can almost bank on it.

This franchise is a joke and the team and HC put out there are losers and to give themselves some breathing room they will go with Jones. Shurmur is chomping at the bit now to make the switch to scapegoat Eli to save his bacon, likely he will be a losing HC with Jones as well. Maybe third time will be the charm to replace TC, who was scapegoated previously.

Why did they even bring Eli back in the first place?

Many are waiting to pop champagne when the plug is pulled on Eli. Careful what you wish for, many have anointed Jones based on preseason, but likely he will not even be a shadow of what Eli was.

But rather of whether he is the right fit for the system.

In comment 14581008 KingBlue said:

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In comment 14580993 steve in ky said: Quote: In comment 14580985 KingBlue said: Quote: In comment 14580970 5BowlsSoon said: Quote: Just moving forward. Do you remember when a Gmen moved forward with Jeff Hostetler over Simms? Well, Eli will be 39 in January and we have nothing to gain playing him. He had two games and looked mediocre to poor, so why not let the kid get his feet wet? Surely our braintrust now realizes we can’t make the playoffs with this defense. Hopefully, they get better each week though. This never happened. Hostetler filled in for an injured Simms and won the Super Bowl. Perhaps you are referring to Scott Brunner? Didn't Handley name Hoss as starter over Simms? One of Parcells first decisions as coach was to replace Simms as the starting quarterback with Brunner. Simms asked to be traded after the benching, but his request was ignored. During the sixth game of the Giants' 1983 Season, Simms came in to replace the struggling Brunner against the Philadelphia Eagles.

Steve, you might be right. I think Simms was coming off of injury...but Hostetler beat Simms out... I think you might be right. I kind of blocked out the Handley years.

In comment 14581008 KingBlue said:

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In comment 14580993 steve in ky said: Quote: In comment 14580985 KingBlue said: Quote: In comment 14580970 5BowlsSoon said: Quote: Just moving forward. Do you remember when a Gmen moved forward with Jeff Hostetler over Simms? Well, Eli will be 39 in January and we have nothing to gain playing him. He had two games and looked mediocre to poor, so why not let the kid get his feet wet? Surely our braintrust now realizes we can’t make the playoffs with this defense. Hopefully, they get better each week though. This never happened. Hostetler filled in for an injured Simms and won the Super Bowl. Perhaps you are referring to Scott Brunner? Didn't Handley name Hoss as starter over Simms? One of Parcells first decisions as coach was to replace Simms as the starting quarterback with Brunner. Simms asked to be traded after the benching, but his request was ignored. During the sixth game of the Giants' 1983 Season, Simms came in to replace the struggling Brunner against the Philadelphia Eagles.

I'm not talking about in that. 5Bowls mentioned Hoss being replaced for an aging Simms, you corrected him and said it never happened other than Hoss filling in for an injured Simms during the Super Bowl run, and asked if he meant Scott Brunner.

I brought up that I remember Handley indeed benching Simms for Hoss and that may have been what 5Bowls was referring to.

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