A lot of glee at the prospect of benching #10

In comment 14581230 NoGainDayne said:

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In comment 14581157 christian said: Quote: So just to recap, there's no glee, right? I don't think this thread has even uncovered an individual instance of glee

I'm quite bummed for Manning. He seems like a good dude. I've enjoyed rooting for him.

There is nothing approaching glee to be felt in any of this.

what is going to be 100 camera shots a game when he is on the sideline on offense.

In comment 14580967 BBelle21 said:

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It’s crass and low class. Even surprising on some level. I understand the frustration with losing and it’s clearly Eli’s turn on the plank as far as some fans are concerned, but it’s still disturbing to watch. Gettleman could have gone for a pass rusher, but he went for Daniel Jones in Eli’s final year. I think Eli should be given his weapons back before getting blamed for the inept defense. I don’t think it’s fair for Jones to come in and have Golden Tate and Sterling to throw to.

Eli has had 7 years of excuses

In comment 14581834 Dutch77 said:

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In comment 14581077 mrvax said: Quote: In comment 14581070 Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) said: Quote: ... But the last 7 years have been painful to watch . They just aren’t fun to watch anymore other than to see what Barkley is going to do... 2012-2018 (7 years)gave Eli the worst Oline to work with. Useless Oline. But now that the Oline is almost average, Eli has slowed down noticeably. More excuses.

Just to be clear, the last 7 years can't be all painful, especially when talking about Eli. For example, he had two of his best years statistically in McAdoo's offense in '14 and '15 and '16 wasn't pretty good with a playoff berth to boot.

We're not in this hole because Golden Tate isn't out there.

In comment 14581858 christian said:

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In comment 14581230 NoGainDayne said: Quote: In comment 14581157 christian said: Quote: So just to recap, there's no glee, right? I don't think this thread has even uncovered an individual instance of glee I'm quite bummed for Manning. He seems like a good dude. I've enjoyed rooting for him. There is nothing approaching glee to be felt in any of this.

I'm with you. Hard to put my finger on exactly what about the team has made me not go to any of the games I've had tickets to since the Saints last year but watching him play like this and on this team is certainly up there. (I've gone to many seasons where they are out of contention until the end) Don't think he goes to the HoF now, if hangs it up earlier or gets to a better situation than this I think he had a good shot. That's sad for someone who put us on his back for those titles including an amazing performance against the best team I've ever seen. For me nothing comes close to that game as a sports memory even being 2nd row for the 41-0 NFC championship game.

I spent a lot of time even before his first SB win defending him because I totally respect the way he carries himself and goes about his job and he was often a target of being underestimated and ridiculed for his demeanor. Seems to be exactly the guy he was when he came into the league (easier coming from where he did) but never got a big ego.

You could put it on him to say maybe he should have retired but he's a competitor, not in his DNA. I honestly think some of the i'll play for another team stuff was to pressure the Giants and fuck with them. Certainly nice if the team aids in helping to guide you out to pasture in a favorable way to your legacy. And who knows if that Geno Smith thing wasn't bungled so hard if he would have been responsive to, hey, we will give you this season and next but if we don't get winning by then you hang it up happily as a Giant? Maybe even at the end of that season. But no, they embarrassed an incredibly competitive guy and we will never know how it could have gone if this team could honestly self assess and form a cohesive plan better.

$20+ Million reasons why I do not care. I believe most Giant fans are truly appreciative of what Eli did to carry the team to the two Super Bowl victories. They were average teams with a few good leaders. He deserved the MVP for getting them there as well as his play in those 2 games.

Nevertheless, after 7 years of team hell and lots of money besides, it is time to move on.

I wish him well, but please move on Eli.

In comment 14580967 BBelle21 said:

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It’s crass and low class. Even surprising on some level. I understand the frustration with losing and it’s clearly Eli’s turn on the plank as far as some fans are concerned, but it’s still disturbing to watch. Gettleman could have gone for a pass rusher, but he went for Daniel Jones in Eli’s final year. I think Eli should be given his weapons back before getting blamed for the inept defense. I don’t think it’s fair for Jones to come in and have Golden Tate and Sterling to throw to.

I know this is difficult for many people to understand, but this is not about blaming Eli.

It's about acknowledging that this team isn't good enough to win this year, and won't be good enough again until after Eli's contract (and likely his career, ultimately) is over. Meanwhile, Jones is waiting in the wings as the #6 overall pick in the draft. If and when the Giants are competitive again, it will most likely be with Jones at QB.

It's just time.

In comment 14581011 BBelle21 said:

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In comment 14580997 aimrocky said: Quote: people tend to dig their heels in. It's amazing to me how a line has been drawn in the sand here, for the most valuable player in our franchises history. I love Eli and still think he can play, but once Jones was drafted you would have to be clueless to think this would work. It's time to move on, and not ripping the band aid off during the off-season has created this Chinese water torture during the regular season. It’s because no one, not Gettleman, Mara, Shurmur, the fanbase, no one, is certain of what Daniel Jones is. Eli remains here as security and he brings his wisdom; and for the fans to show this level of disdain for him is baffling and more than a little nauseating

The fact that you're reading it as disdain, while not especially surprising for you, is the problem.

I've posted this many, many times over the last years -- I've wanted the Giants to move on after 2017 -- and I will never forgive Mara for using Manning as a stopgap and getting him beat physically in the lame attempt to capture a happy ending.