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Giants waive Paul Perkins & signed TE Kaden Smith

Big Rick in FL : 9/16/2019 5:15 pm
Anybody know anything about Smith?
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IIRC, Smith was regarded as a decent prospect until he ran the 40.  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/16/2019 6:06 pm : link
The Combine didn't do his draft stock any good.
Well, I was wrong about Perkins being gone by Labor Day.  
Red Dog : 9/16/2019 7:05 pm : link
He lasted a couple of weeks longer.
So we're really going with just 2 RBs on the roster?  
FStubbs : 9/16/2019 7:54 pm : link
That's very strange.
No way.  
Carl in CT : 9/16/2019 8:04 pm : link
Another move coming
Why?  
AcidTest : 9/16/2019 8:15 pm : link
"Kind of what you see is what you get. I am cross-checking tight ends and I dont think I would take him until Day 3. Nothing really stands out." -- Area scout for AFC team

This seems like a strange move, especially he's the fifth TE on the roster.
Kaden Smith > Zach Ertz, Coby Fleener and Levine Toilololololo  
Anakim : 9/16/2019 8:38 pm : link
:)
It's not like Perkins is an important piece or has produced anything  
Matt M. : 9/16/2019 9:13 pm : link
But, this is a strange move. We only have 2 RBs on the roster and already had 4 TEs, most of whom can't block. This TE can't block either and needs a lot of coaching for development, which is not a strength of this organization right now.
RE: It's not like Perkins is an important piece or has produced anything  
AcidTest : 9/16/2019 9:32 pm : link
In comment 14581440 Matt M. said:
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But, this is a strange move. We only have 2 RBs on the roster and already had 4 TEs, most of whom can't block. This TE can't block either and needs a lot of coaching for development, which is not a strength of this organization right now.


Yeah, the strange part isn't releasing Perkins, it's signing Smith.
I was hop8mg to see  
5BowlsSoon : 9/16/2019 9:44 pm : link
After his name, one of the following:

ER
LB
CB
S

Not TE! But I guess we could always use another TE to go along with our other 4, right?
if  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/16/2019 9:51 pm : link
you count Conrad, who is on the PS, we are up to six TEs.
Really bizarre.  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/16/2019 9:58 pm : link
Does Shurmur hate Alonzo Russell like he hates Lualetta?

5 TEs, smh
Well since they don't giving the ball to Saquon too much  
ChaChing : 9/16/2019 10:07 pm : link
they don't need many backups RBs...........

*like giving  
ChaChing : 9/16/2019 10:08 pm : link
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RE: Only 22  
aka dbrny : 9/16/2019 10:25 pm : link
In comment 14581037 DanMetroMan said:
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BEST TRAIT - Vertical Receiving

WORST TRAIT - Power at POA

BEST FILM - Washington State (2018)

WORST FILM - Notre Dame (2018)

RED FLAGS - None

Kaden Smith is an intriguing TE prospect, but projects as a player that will need added developmental time before any expectations should be placed on him. Smith is pretty lethargic at the top of his stems and won't inspire as a man beater in routes. Pretty specific skill set for immediate role, wins up seam vs. zone and as a sit-down target vs. soft zone. Smith has skills and promise but shouldn't be tasked to play a large percentage of snaps until he fleshes out his game. Link - ( New Window )


Thank you for the info.
I was just thinking the team needed another short to intermediate target with no deep speed and questionable readiness for the NFL...Ugh
Big  
AcidTest : 9/16/2019 10:37 pm : link
sexy moves!

There must be another roster move tomorrow. Maybe we'll sign someone we work out. Yippee!!!
RE: How about we start running a seam route  
Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2019 10:52 pm : link
In comment 14581053 larryflower37 said:
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With any of our 25 TEs


That was funny
te  
hankb1126 : 9/17/2019 2:44 am : link
when Gloria frontier inherited the rams she said she wanted a team with 53 te's on it
He's kind of slow for a receiving tight end  
Ira : 9/17/2019 6:39 am : link
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6th round pick from Stanford by the 49rs (3rd pick)  
ZogZerg : 9/17/2019 6:46 am : link
I'm guessing the Giants must have liked him in the draft?
But, come on, 5 TEs?
WTF?
Kaden Smith - NFL Draft Profile - ( New Window )
The video had him as a project 3rd round pick  
ZogZerg : 9/17/2019 6:51 am : link
in the 2019 draft.
But, why not cut one of the other TEs then.
Is this like that part in moneyball  
SteelGiant : 9/17/2019 7:00 am : link
Where the Gm wants to play the guy at first who but he has never played first. But the coach won't do it, so he trades every first baseman.

Maybe DG is upset that coach is not running Barkley enough so he is going to get rid of every other RB?
RE: The video had him as a project 3rd round pick  
Ira : 9/17/2019 7:09 am : link
In comment 14581996 ZogZerg said:
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in the 2019 draft.
But, why not cut one of the other TEs then.


They probably will, but they may wait until we get one or two of our receivers back. They're probably planning to run lots of two te sets until then. Also, Dickerson has been out. After some of those guys return, we'll probably cut someone - maybe Smith.
Hard to understand unless they want ot run a lot of two TE sets  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 9/17/2019 7:12 am : link
and want better receivers in that set
Trust the Plan  
Jeffrey : 9/17/2019 7:47 am : link
Please relax--DG has a plan. No one is quite certain what it is but he has told us there is a plan.
RE: 6th round pick from Stanford by the 49rs (3rd pick)  
Anakim : 9/17/2019 8:06 am : link
In comment 14581994 ZogZerg said:
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I'm guessing the Giants must have liked him in the draft?
But, come on, 5 TEs?
WTF? Kaden Smith - NFL Draft Profile - ( New Window )


Giants actually ran his workout
There has to be a RB  
section125 : 9/17/2019 8:15 am : link
coming. Maybe Hilliman is being signed from the practice squad. I liked what I saw in him more than what I saw in Perkins.
They have to keep the TE from the Jets  
DavidinBMNY : 9/17/2019 8:23 am : link
For 1 more week according to waiver wire rules (I believe). Since they know they are going into this game not dressing Perkins anyway, they can afford to add a RB back next week.

I doubt they keep 5 TE and a a FB for more then a few weeks.
RE: They have to keep the TE from the Jets  
ZogZerg : 9/17/2019 8:27 am : link
In comment 14582067 DavidinBMNY said:
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For 1 more week according to waiver wire rules (I believe). Since they know they are going into this game not dressing Perkins anyway, they can afford to add a RB back next week.

I doubt they keep 5 TE and a a FB for more then a few weeks.


Well, that would make some sense then.
RE: They have to keep the TE from the Jets  
Anakim : 9/17/2019 9:02 am : link
In comment 14582067 DavidinBMNY said:
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For 1 more week according to waiver wire rules (I believe). Since they know they are going into this game not dressing Perkins anyway, they can afford to add a RB back next week.

I doubt they keep 5 TE and a a FB for more then a few weeks.


I think you're mistaken (no offense). It's that players signed off of other teams' practice squads must be kept on the roster for at least 3 weeks. Tomlinson was signed as a FA. He can be cut anytime.
We ran  
Joey in VA : 9/17/2019 9:10 am : link
Too much 11 Personnel against the Bills, we need a second TE for the base offense and Dickerson isn't healthy. This isn't rocket surgery you dinks.
there  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/17/2019 9:12 am : link
are a number of very positive draft reports on Kaden Smith. People were all over the place with him. Ourlads had him rated very high.

If you check out the 49er fan boards, some fans were pissed they let him go. Others said no big loss.

He made the final 53. Giants are going to take a look.
Remember  
AcidTest : 9/17/2019 9:20 am : link
that since Perkins was on the final 53 as of week one, his salary for the entire year is guaranteed. That means the Giants, unless he's signed by another team before the end of the season.
RE: Remember  
Fred in Atlanta : 9/17/2019 9:27 am : link
In comment 14582151 AcidTest said:
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that since Perkins was on the final 53 as of week one, his salary for the entire year is guaranteed. That means the Giants, unless he's signed by another team before the end of the season.

I don't think he has enough time for that to be the case, I believe you need at least 3 years in NFL.
RE: Remember  
Fred in Atlanta : 9/17/2019 9:30 am : link
https://www.profootballrumors.com/2018/10/vested-veteran-salary-guarantees-nfl
Looked it up at least 4 years.

In comment 14582151 AcidTest said:
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that since Perkins was on the final 53 as of week one, his salary for the entire year is guaranteed. That means the Giants, unless he's signed by another team before the end of the season.
RE: if  
HomerJones45 : 9/17/2019 9:53 am : link
In comment 14581563 Eric from BBI said:
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you count Conrad, who is on the PS, we are up to six TEs.
Good. This is what you need to do if you want to find players- shift through lots of chaff. Our TE's suck outside of Engram who is more of a tweener than a TE.
Just remember  
gmenrule : 9/17/2019 9:55 am : link
it is all Jerry Reach's fault for drafting players that sucked.
RE: RE: Remember  
AcidTest : 9/17/2019 9:59 am : link
In comment 14582187 Fred in Atlanta said:
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https://www.profootballrumors.com/2018/10/vested-veteran-salary-guarantees-nfl
Looked it up at least 4 years.

In comment 14582151 AcidTest said:


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that since Perkins was on the final 53 as of week one, his salary for the entire year is guaranteed. That means the Giants, unless he's signed by another team before the end of the season.



Good catch.
RE: Anyone from the Reese era is at risk  
GeofromNJ : 9/17/2019 10:08 am : link
In comment 14581102 Vanzetti said:
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True that.
Perkins  
DonQuixote : 9/17/2019 10:12 am : link
I am just a fan but I think Perkins showed a lot more than Gallman. Then there is the fact that wed have roster spots to keep him if not for our third QB.


Just hoping SB does not go down.
DG wants his own Brandon Myers  
GeofromNJ : 9/17/2019 10:12 am : link
Kaden Smith could be his clone. Not good.
RE: DG wants his own Brandon Myers  
Jay on the Island : 9/17/2019 10:23 am : link
In comment 14582348 GeofromNJ said:
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Kaden Smith could be his clone. Not good.

Except for the fact that Smith is the 5th TE while Myers was the #1.
RE: RE: DG wants his own Brandon Myers  
GeofromNJ : 9/17/2019 10:32 am : link
In comment 14582459 Jay on the Island said:
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Kaden Smith could be his clone. Not good.


Except for the fact that Smith is the 5th TE while Myers was the #1.

Myers played like a 5th.
RE: RE: RE: DG wants his own Brandon Myers  
Jay on the Island : 9/17/2019 10:35 am : link
In comment 14582553 GeofromNJ said:
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Kaden Smith could be his clone. Not good.


Except for the fact that Smith is the 5th TE while Myers was the #1.


Myers played like a 5th.

That's being generous.
I think we see Tomlinson released  
Jay on the Island : 9/17/2019 10:36 am : link
after week 3, if Dickerson is healthy, and Hilliman added to the active roster.
RE: I think we see Tomlinson released  
Anakim : 9/17/2019 11:14 am : link
In comment 14582598 Jay on the Island said:
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after week 3, if Dickerson is healthy, and Hilliman added to the active roster.


Why after week 3? He should be released now. Tomlinson is terrible. He's solely a blocker.
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Jay on the Island : 9/17/2019 11:20 am : link
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after week 3, if Dickerson is healthy, and Hilliman added to the active roster.



Why after week 3? He should be released now. Tomlinson is terrible. He's solely a blocker.

Because Dickerson is still out and Smith needs time to learn the offense.
RE: RE: RE: I think we see Tomlinson released  
Anakim : 9/17/2019 11:22 am : link
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after week 3, if Dickerson is healthy, and Hilliman added to the active roster.



Why after week 3? He should be released now. Tomlinson is terrible. He's solely a blocker.


Because Dickerson is still out and Smith needs time to learn the offense.


Yeah, but they have Engram and Ellison as TEs. They could roll with those 2 and have Smith play spot-up duty if need be.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I think we see Tomlinson released  
Jay on the Island : 9/17/2019 11:24 am : link
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after week 3, if Dickerson is healthy, and Hilliman added to the active roster.



Why after week 3? He should be released now. Tomlinson is terrible. He's solely a blocker.


Because Dickerson is still out and Smith needs time to learn the offense.



Yeah, but they have Engram and Ellison as TEs. They could roll with those 2 and have Smith play spot-up duty if need be.

I saw Tomlinson several times on Sunday so Shurmur must not feel comfortable with only two active TEs.
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Anakim : 9/17/2019 11:29 am : link
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after week 3, if Dickerson is healthy, and Hilliman added to the active roster.



Why after week 3? He should be released now. Tomlinson is terrible. He's solely a blocker.


Because Dickerson is still out and Smith needs time to learn the offense.



Yeah, but they have Engram and Ellison as TEs. They could roll with those 2 and have Smith play spot-up duty if need be.


I saw Tomlinson several times on Sunday so Shurmur must not feel comfortable with only two active TEs.


I only saw him on special teams, so I'll defer to you
Anak  
Jay on the Island : 9/17/2019 11:32 am : link
Im not a fan of Tomlinson at all. I hope hes released today as I would rather promote CJ Conrad to the active roster than keep the one dimensional Tomlinson.
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