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NGT: Steelers Trade For DB Minkah Fitzpatrick

Saos1n : 9/16/2019 10:11 pm
For a 2020 1st round pick
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horrible  
Mr. Nickels : 9/16/2019 10:18 pm : link
pitt couldve landed a qb
Wow  
ghost718 : 9/16/2019 10:19 pm : link
Type of move that could definitely get you fired,even in Pittsburgh
The Steelers must really believe in Rudolph  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/16/2019 10:20 pm : link
I think he's looked good in the preseason. Maybe this is the last of Big Ben.
RE: Dolphins are hysterical  
jvm52106 : 9/16/2019 10:21 pm : link
In comment 14581635 Jersey Heel said:
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I can see trading away older players who won’t be around for the rebuild, but Fitzpatrick and Tunsil are young players they could build around. They’re getting picks, but creating new holes to fill with those picks. They better hope they hit on every single one. Sheesh.


Fitzpatrick had been playing out of position and has not been happy...
RE: Strange  
bw in dc : 9/16/2019 10:23 pm : link
In comment 14581633 AcidTest said:
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move with Ben out, unless they really believe in Rudolph. As others have noted, that could easily be a top 10 pick.


I think you are onto something here. This could signal that they believe Rudolph is further along that many think and the Steelers will rally around him.

Kevin Colbert is absolutely no dummy.

RE: Dolphins are hysterical  
Nine-Tails : 9/16/2019 10:23 pm : link
In comment 14581635 Jersey Heel said:
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I can see trading away older players who won’t be around for the rebuild, but Fitzpatrick and Tunsil are young players they could build around. They’re getting picks, but creating new holes to fill with those picks. They better hope they hit on every single one. Sheesh.


I applaud their tenacity to suck and accumulate assets. If Minkah yields a top 10 pick, that works. Trading tunsil though, even though the return was great, still might not have been the right move as he was an LT on the rise and having for their next qb would be bital
Not a very smart trade,  
prdave73 : 9/16/2019 10:24 pm : link
But give them respect for making a move.. man if the Giants don’t make a move for Ramsey and some other team acquires him... idk..
RE: Not a very smart trade,  
OdellBeckhamJr : 9/16/2019 10:29 pm : link
In comment 14581654 prdave73 said:
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But give them respect for making a move.. man if the Giants don’t make a move for Ramsey and some other team acquires him... idk..


haha are you joking? nothing this current regime has done since they've gotten here would indicate a first round trade for a dbag corner
The  
AcidTest : 9/16/2019 10:33 pm : link
problem I have with the trade from Pittsburgh's point of view is that even if they think Rudolph will succeed Ben, why trade what will likely be a top 10 pick? Even if you don't want a QB, you could trade that pick for a huge ransom to a team that does.
RE: Questioning the Steelers on personal decision is rarely a wise move  
cokeduplt : 9/16/2019 10:37 pm : link
In comment 14581630 Zeke's Alibi said:
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they generally churn out one of the more talented rosters in the NFL.


Idk this is a bad trade for them
Here  
AcidTest : 9/16/2019 10:40 pm : link
is Goodell next April after being roundly and deservedly booed while opening the draft:

"The 2020 Miami Dolphins, I mean, NFL draft, is now underway."
RE: RE: Questioning the Steelers on personal decision is rarely a wise move  
OdellBeckhamJr : 9/16/2019 10:40 pm : link
In comment 14581734 cokeduplt said:
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In comment 14581630 Zeke's Alibi said:


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they generally churn out one of the more talented rosters in the NFL.



Idk this is a bad trade for them


not as bad as everyone's making it out to be. Minkah is a stud and they got him for 4 years, their first rounder could bust
Ummmmmm...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/16/2019 10:41 pm : link
is this one of those NBA-type conditional 1st round pick trades (protected 1-10)? Otherwise, they might've screwed the pooch on this one.
What are the Steelers thinking?  
bigbluehoya : 9/16/2019 10:43 pm : link
This is poor asset management.
Once again the Steelers have the opportunity to have ONE shitty year  
Mendenhall64 : 9/16/2019 10:45 pm : link
and draft high in a QB rich draft and they give it away??? WOW.
The Steelers traded up to get Mason Rudolph  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/16/2019 10:47 pm : link
They like him a lot. And his preseason was excellent.
some of Miami's first round picks  
Giantsfan79 : 9/16/2019 10:49 pm : link
will look really good when they have trade them to us to move up to #1 to get Tua.
How often are 3rd rounders  
Mendenhall64 : 9/16/2019 10:49 pm : link
franchise QBs?
RE: some of Miami's first round picks  
Nine-Tails : 9/16/2019 10:50 pm : link
In comment 14581778 Giantsfan79 said:
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will look really good when they have trade them to us to move up to #1 to get Tua.


Now this would be something
Steelers have done a great job  
bluepepper : 9/16/2019 10:52 pm : link
talent over the years but I don't recall them trading their first rounders away many times if at all. Remember they sat tight and got their franchise QB in 2004 while we traded quite a bit to get ours. That's been their style and it's worked for them. To give up a one for a safety when the season looks iffy is a wow move.
With Ben out  
Payasdaddy : 9/16/2019 10:54 pm : link
It may be a top ten
Stupid
Now the trick is beat out Miami  
eli4life : 9/16/2019 10:55 pm : link
For the top pick threaten to trade the pick so someone else can get tua and take all Miami’s first round picks next year
Steelers looking a little desperate  
Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2019 10:58 pm : link
you all know the type...
Really weird trade for Pittsburgh  
Anakim : 9/16/2019 11:33 pm : link
I guess they have a ton of faith in Rudolph
RE: Dolphins are hysterical  
blright : 9/16/2019 11:53 pm : link
This.

In comment 14581635 Jersey Heel said:
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I can see trading away older players who won’t be around for the rebuild, but Fitzpatrick and Tunsil are young players they could build around. They’re getting picks, but creating new holes to fill with those picks. They better hope they hit on every single one. Sheesh.
Phins loading up on assets...  
KentGraham : 9/17/2019 12:00 am : link
Maybe the Giants get the #1 pick, Rosen disappoints, and the Phins fall in love with a QB prospect... send those picks over here!
You guys and your assumptions  
HomerJones45 : 9/17/2019 12:17 am : link
teams that have made a mess of the draft over several years and gotten themselves in the position of being league doormats, uh like the Giants and Dolphins, are "smart" for unloading the few good players they have and taking back draft picks when they have demonstrated little to no acumen in using draft picks. Meanwhile, the Steelers who have a demonstrated acumen in personnel matters are stupid for using a draft pick to get a young, premier player for the secondary.

They are only "assets" if the team knows how to use them. Otherwise, they are nothing but opportunities to openly demonstrate their continued fecklessness.
Fitzpatrick is a very good player, if they kept him he would have  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2019 12:19 am : link
Mutinied. Other guys are playing for jobs, he isn't and he was asked to play Swiss army for them getting beat up. He didn't like it. This is about securing a tremendous cheap player for Ben's last two years.
RE: horrible  
Tuckrule : 9/17/2019 5:00 am : link
In comment 14581638 Mr. Nickels said:
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pitt couldve landed a qb


They like mason Rudolph a lot. He played very well all things considered vs Seattle. He’s their future
Better than the Eagles trading for him.  
St. Jimmy : 9/17/2019 5:23 am : link
It is a bonus if the Steelers give away a top 10 pick.
Terrible deal by Pittsburgh  
jeff57 : 9/17/2019 5:36 am : link
I guess Jacksonville should ask for two No. 1s for Ramsey.
RE: Wow.  
DavidinBMNY : 9/17/2019 7:05 am : link
In comment 14581631 justafan said:
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Miami is gonna be loaded with draft picks.
If I was a Miami fan I would just soak up those draft analysts. this year. The talent coming out in the top 10 has great QBs, an elite pass rusher, a great WR and some great tackles. Wow. Miami could fill a number of the most important positions in 1 draft and be a juggernat in 3 years.

They may lose every game this year and will definitely be picking top 3. They should easily get to 2 top 10 picks and if the steelers bomb out, they may even be able to wind up trading up the later 1st rder and getting 3 top 10 picks. Yikes.
RE: Terrible deal by Pittsburgh  
bw in dc : 9/17/2019 7:36 am : link
In comment 14581968 jeff57 said:
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I guess Jacksonville should ask for two No. 1s for Ramsey.


Terrible? Fitzpatrick was drafted #11 in 2018 draft. If he turns out to be a pro bowl caliber player, which isn’t a stretch based on his skills, then why isn’t giving up a first round pick smart? Secondary help is a massive need for the Steelers.

I do agree that Ramsey should cost more in draft capital.
Doesn’t seem stupid to me  
UConn4523 : 9/17/2019 7:45 am : link
they already have a talented roster and having a top D makes it easier for Rudolph. They must also think he can play. The 9th pick in the draft last year was 6-10 so unless they finish around there this pick has no shot of being top 10.
I have zero experience as a scout  
Prude : 9/17/2019 7:45 am : link
But I am fairly confident that if I was hired as a GM I could take Miami to the playoffs by 2022 with the draft capital they are sitting on right now. It's absolutely insane.
Actually feels like a bad trade for both teams  
AcesUp : 9/17/2019 8:13 am : link
It really depends on how the Steelers finish but right now they are an ugly 0-2, their franchise QB just went on IR and potentially played his last snap for their team. They might need what is potentially a Top 10 pick in a top heavy QB draft.

The value of a 1 for a promising 2nd year DB is great value but the way that team is trending it probably wasn't the right move.
RE: Doesn’t seem stupid to me  
giants#1 : 9/17/2019 8:37 am : link
In comment 14582030 UConn4523 said:
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they already have a talented roster and having a top D makes it easier for Rudolph. They must also think he can play. The 9th pick in the draft last year was 6-10 so unless they finish around there this pick has no shot of being top 10.


Well, they're already 0-2 and now have a 2nd year QB starting the rest of the way. I don't know what their schedule is like, but going 6-8 the rest of the way with Rudolph seems like a win for them. I'd sign up for that with Jones in a second (granted our D is much worse).
its also possible they feel Fitzpatrick is better than where he  
UConn4523 : 9/17/2019 8:39 am : link
went last year. I don't know, its an interesting trade, I can see the downside though. If Rudolph stinks and its a top 5 pick, that's a rough pill to swallow.
Rudolph can be 'good' for a rookie  
giants#1 : 9/17/2019 8:52 am : link
like Mayfield last year and still only win 4-5 games while they land a top 10 pick. They also lose a year of cost control with Fitzpatrick, which is substantial (though save some $$ from the SB he earned).
I like the trade  
JonC : 9/17/2019 8:56 am : link
Steelers have two foundation talents in him and Bush, and they're adept at identifying top talent on defense. They clearly like Ben to play a few more seasons, I like the gamble for them.

Giants also liked Rudolph, btw.
Also, to be fair to the Steelers  
Sean : 9/17/2019 9:05 am : link
Draft picks are like cars, they lose a ton of value when you actually pick the player. Steelers may not get a player as good as Fitzpatrick in the draft.
Based on the contract Ben just signed  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/17/2019 9:07 am : link
it's highly unlikely that he's not with the Steelers next season because there's a substantial cap bomb if they part ways. The injury isn't career-threatening and Ben did say in no uncertain terms he has every intention of coming back.
Dolphins  
Professor Falken : 9/17/2019 9:13 am : link
2020 Draft-Three #1s, two #2s.

2021 Draft-Two #1s, two #2s.
The Steelers probably surveyed the field  
jcn56 : 9/17/2019 9:13 am : link
and think even in a worst case scenario they're not picking top 10.

If it's a mid to late round pick, that's a good get for Fitzpatrick. They'll also take the message it sends to the team that they're not running from BR's injury.

It could certainly backfire on them, especially if they were wrong about their own fortunes or the bad teams around the NFL. But it's a sound calculated risk if they really like the player.

Sound calculated risks are ones the Giants stopped taking a long time ago.
Hate this trade  
Bramton1 : 9/17/2019 9:13 am : link
The Steelers can really only have two outcomes to this. Either Rudolph is the future and Ben is done in Pittsburgh, or Ben returns next year and the Steelers don't have their QB of the future on the roster nor a first round pik to draft him.

If Rudolph is your future, you can't play him all season and then dump him back on the bench in 2020 in favor of a 38-year old QB. You just can't.

Just imagine if we turned to Jones within the next few weeks, he did well enough to give us hope for the future, then we resigned Eli and named him the starter in 2020.
How  
AcidTest : 9/17/2019 9:16 am : link
can the Steelers already be so confident in Rudolph that they're willing to give up a potential and likely top 10 pick? Rudolph has hardly played.
RE: Hate this trade  
bw in dc : 9/17/2019 9:23 am : link
In comment 14582134 Bramton1 said:
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The Steelers can really only have two outcomes to this. Either Rudolph is the future and Ben is done in Pittsburgh, or Ben returns next year and the Steelers don't have their QB of the future on the roster nor a first round pik to draft him.


Perhaps Colbert has his draft board for 2020 set-up and he doesn’t like the top ten value vs Fitzpatrick’s value. So he’d rather the take the player with NFL experience, and pro bowl type skills, versus drafting the unknown.
RE: Hate this trade  
giants#1 : 9/17/2019 9:37 am : link
In comment 14582134 Bramton1 said:
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The Steelers can really only have two outcomes to this. Either Rudolph is the future and Ben is done in Pittsburgh, or Ben returns next year and the Steelers don't have their QB of the future on the roster nor a first round pik to draft him.

If Rudolph is your future, you can't play him all season and then dump him back on the bench in 2020 in favor of a 38-year old QB. You just can't.

Just imagine if we turned to Jones within the next few weeks, he did well enough to give us hope for the future, then we resigned Eli and named him the starter in 2020.


To be fair, Ben was playing at a much higher level than Eli, at least if you look at his performance last season.

But I agree with the premise. They're not competing this year with Rudolph which means they're essentially out 2 years of cost control (vs next years 1st round pick). And they can easily pick top 10. Still 4 games left with BAL/CLE, games against the Chargers, Colts, Rams, 49ers, etc. I can certainly see 10 losses for them.
Rudolph played well on Sunday  
Kyle in NY : 9/17/2019 9:45 am : link
the issue was the Steelers couldn't get a stop in the second half. The playoff bubble in the AFC is extremely weak, they're still in contention.
RE: RE: some of Miami's first round picks  
Festina Lente : 9/17/2019 11:11 am : link
In comment 14581787 Nine-Tails said:
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In comment 14581778 Giantsfan79 said:


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will look really good when they have trade them to us to move up to #1 to get Tua.



Now this would be something
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Lol as if the Dolphins would let anyone be worse than them this year
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