Who else is just beaten down, resigned?

99% of Giants fans feel the same way. We want to see what Jones can do, get him experience. Pray that the defense shows improvement over the course of the season. At least they'll have another high pick to work with to get a good edge rusher..

with absolutely nothing to convince you otherwise, that the Giants are aimless in all aspects of football right now and are completely adrift.

The coaches look lost. Eli is done. The roster is shot. The GM sounds like an idiot. The owner will surface with ill timed, stupid soundbites.

The only proven playmaker on the roster is Barkley, and he isn't used enough.

The entire operation looks like someone should take a flamethrower to it.

I love Eli, but at 38 he is not the future. The franchise needs a spark. If Jones comes in and plays well, it will change the entire energy of the franchise.

Watching for Barkley, and for Jones to get his shot.

I look forward to seeing Saquon play and Jones’ first snap. That’s about it. Shumur just seems out of his element and Eli is a shell of himself. The defense lacks confidence, maturity and resilience. Unlike, much of Giants football in the past. I don’t look forward to games like a used to, but I look forward to the future of the franchise and what could be. It’s bleak, at the moment.

It’s been years and years of horribly boring and sloppy football

In comment 14581663 Sean said:

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I love Eli, but at 38 he is not the future. The franchise needs a spark. If Jones comes in and plays well, it will change the entire energy of the franchise.

this is all we have

To lean against Shurmur. I don't like to see anyone lose their job, so I'm struggling with that and thinking it is wasted time with him as the leader of this team.

I don't think I've been upset about a loss since week 2018.

rudderless.. have been for a while. Stuck with Manning way too long. Time and NFL games are precious and they squander both like it is an unimportant asset.

killed the nerve

since the Polo Grounds. I’ve always been a proponent of going to the games, it’s been special and I myself have been going for over 25 years.

Yesterday, sitting in god awful traffic leaving that shithole of a stadium, I had the thought that we should sell the tickets. Our family company pays for them, and yesterday I finally figured out what should have been obvious since the new stadium was built: it’s a complete waste of money. We are better off selling them and just buying tickets once or twice a year, if there are even that many games we can stomach.

The team sucks, the owners as of now suck, the front office sucks. Worst of all? The stadium SUCKS. It’s a dump in comparison to some of the gems from around the league. I’m a Yankee fan, but going to Citi Field was an eye opener of how shitty that place is. Not to mention the internet and the secondary ticket market has allowed anyone to grab a ticket, which is awesome but it has its downsides. Every week we are surrounded by assholes and a few diehards, but a hell of a lot less than there used to be. Nobody has any idea what’s going on at least in my section, and the Giants sure as hell aren’t giving them a reason to cheer anyway.

Rant over I guess? I don’t think I’m resigned but I’m finally sick and tired of going to games at least. Team isn’t worth our money that’s for sure. Hopefully Jones can turn this shit around and the defense will get some cohesion going.

You don't know what "beaten down, resigned" means until you get screwed in the lottery for the umpteenth year in a row. This is nothing.

In comment 14581716 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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You don't know what "beaten down, resigned" means until you get screwed in the lottery for the umpteenth year in a row. This is nothing.

I too am a Knicks fan.

Thank God for ND. UGA this Saturday.

And now you just highlight it. Go bury your head in the sand. It;s what posters like you have doen the last two years with your homerism with Mara and company. Now you want to quit. Poor baby.

If you can't appreciate Barkley then I don't know what to say. If you can't appreciate Barkley then maybe you need to follow some other sport.

Some of you are just spoiled brats. You can't take any criticism of your team then when it was expected nationally that the team wasn't going to be good turns out to be true you roll up into a little a little ball like a 4 year old.

It seems that Sundays during last season and so far this season have often been great weather, so it's been nice to be able to do other things outdoors than waste time watching this dumpster fire of a franchise.

It's been a long time since I've been mad. I just don't care much anymore.

Yep. I'm losing interest too.

We just suck in every way

And obj is going to year it up in Cleveland so we basically got fucking hosed in that deal.

Teams like Pat's and Dallas have built strong teams.

The icing on this shit cake will be Dallas winning it all

Mara can’t keep hiring The way he does.

It hasn’t worked and you eliminate 90% of the candidates when you look primarily at guys with s connection to the organization

Look forward to football for months, allow yourself to be a little optimistic the team will get going in the right direction, and then 2 lifeless losses to start the season.

I’m going to the Skins game, and the only thing I’m hoping to see is Jones playing by then

Look, they're rebuilding. This is what rebuilding looks like. So I'm not resigned or beaten down. Right now I'm disappointed that we haven't seen more improvement and more scoring on offense. But I am looking forward to seeing what Jones turns into.

Two things though:

1) Really good head coaches don't need years to start showing results. Shurmur has been a very good coordinator but if he's ever going to amount to anything as a head coach, we better start seeing the team step up soon. Otherwise his contribution to the Giants will basically be giving Jones his introduction to pro football, and that's it.

2) People say the one constant in all these years of mediocrity is Eli. To quote Yoda: "There is another." The Mara family, especially John Mara. (I'm going to give Steve Tisch a pass because I don't think he's involved with the management of the team.) And Eli doesn't play defense.

I don't know what kind of bad juju is going on with this team, but it's the same fuckin' thing year after year, regardless of the GM, HC or players: Defenses that can't stop anybody. Offenses that look dull and unathletic. Teams that enter the regular season clearly underprepared and overwhelmed. As a fan, it's boring.

In comment 14581750 Mr. Bungle said:

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It seems that Sundays during last season and so far this season have often been great weather, so it's been nice to be able to do other things outdoors than waste time watching this dumpster fire of a franchise. It's been a long time since I've been mad. I just don't care much anymore.

With all due respect, you care. We’re on a Giants website venting about the trainwreck the franchise is. We all care.

Welcome aboard lots of use have been feeling this way for 2 + years!

Err.....

If we put Jones in, at least there would be a reason to watch even if we’re losing

Is at least you can hope for growth and improvement over time. I thought they’d be more competitive on defense out of the gate, I think I was overly optimistic. It was hard for me to fathom them looking worse on defense than a year ago, but they’ve certainly achieved that, and that’s a bit depressing.

until 1981 I'm not beaten down. I'm disappointed. But If you do not understand that in order to rebuild the team, it has to go through a bad period then you are fooling yourselves. Probably 98% of people here knew that they had to draft new players, sign young guys to get better. You cannot turnover that many players and play that many 1st and 2nd year guys and expect them compete immediately. Unfortunately JR and Mark Ross drove the talent level into the ground. Before DG got here that was 6 years of downturn. So yeah after 7+ years it seems forever. But it will take until the 3rd year to get the pieces in place.

Before jumping out the window, wait until game 8 or 10 and see if they are starting to play better.

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In comment 14581750 Mr. Bungle said: Quote: It seems that Sundays during last season and so far this season have often been great weather, so it's been nice to be able to do other things outdoors than waste time watching this dumpster fire of a franchise. It's been a long time since I've been mad. I just don't care much anymore. With all due respect, you care. We’re on a Giants website venting about the trainwreck the franchise is. We all care.

Not even close to the way I used to. I just don't care much when they lose anymore.

Wouldn’t be as bad if Philly and Dallas weren’t so good. Philly is in a bit of trouble but they got a ring and their window will stay open for some time. And Dallas is fucking loaded. I want to quit football. It’s done nothing but bring me angst and pain lately.

I'd actually consider 0 wins this season an outstanding success because it would mean changes would happen. Third time's the charm...

I had no delusions of a SB this year. But, I honestly thought we could win 7 or 8 games and at least be relevant in November. This season already feels done. Then you throw in feeling terrible to realize Eli is done. At this point, I just want Jones to start beginning this week and see what we have.

Watched the game on TiVo. Actually mowed the lawn before I watched the game. Who knows, maybe the giants will turn it around. Anyway, we’re not Jets fans so count your blessings.

to wasting Barkley's prime years. Not just because they suck, but they refuse to allow him to carry them.

In comment 14581838 trueblueinpw said:

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Watched the game on TiVo. Actually mowed the lawn before I watched the game. Who knows, maybe the giants will turn it around. Anyway, we’re not Jets fans so count your blessings.

The only NY *ets team that seems to actually have a good looking future is the Nets

And the main reason is because the dysfunction starts at the top with jon mara. When you have a clueless owner then there is no hope.

The fans that want to fire gettleman and shurmur are not looking at the big picture. All thats going to happen is mara will replace them with more yes men and people who do things the " giants way " .

Ask mets fans and knicks fans ...when your owner sucks there is no hope no matter how many regime changes you go through. And all those owners have the same thing in common, they are clueless and still insist on meddling in the teams decision making instead of hiring the right people and letting them do their job

For the first time in years I am (truly) optimistic
Let’s see the kid play
Maybe we have the QB for the next 15 years
We have cap space in 2020
Barkley is awesome
This OL is solid and will only improve with drafts
We have a young D with potential
Let’s watch them grow
Let’s add some ERs in FA and the draft
Let’s hope that Mara is out of football decisions
Let’s see what shurmur can do.

Come on guys!!!

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For the first time in years I am (truly) optimistic Let’s see the kid play Maybe we have the QB for the next 15 years We have cap space in 2020 Barkley is awesome This OL is solid and will only improve with drafts We have a young D with potential Let’s watch them grow Let’s add some ERs in FA and the draft Let’s hope that Mara is out of football decisions Let’s see what shurmur can do. Come on guys!!!

Thank You.

In comment 14581871 V.I.G. said:

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For the first time in years I am (truly) optimistic Let’s see the kid play Maybe we have the QB for the next 15 years We have cap space in 2020 Barkley is awesome This OL is solid and will only improve with drafts We have a young D with potential Let’s watch them grow Let’s add some ERs in FA and the draft Let’s hope that Mara is out of football decisions Let’s see what shurmur can do. Come on guys!!!

Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

What am I saying - anyone optimistic about this team's ability to add talent after what they've done to the roster this past year and change is on something a lot stronger than cocaine.

In comment 14581832 Scooter185 said:

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I'd actually consider 0 wins this season an outstanding success because it would mean changes would happen. Third time's the charm...

Do you want to keep doing the same thing over and over every three years? Because that is what will happen if don't let the present group complete the overhaul. The next group will get rid of 40 out of 53 guys, suck and then in 2 1/2 years be fired and replaced. Rinse and repeat...

In comment 14581876 jcn56 said:

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In comment 14581871 V.I.G. said: Quote: For the first time in years I am (truly) optimistic Let’s see the kid play Maybe we have the QB for the next 15 years We have cap space in 2020 Barkley is awesome This OL is solid and will only improve with drafts We have a young D with potential Let’s watch them grow Let’s add some ERs in FA and the draft Let’s hope that Mara is out of football decisions Let’s see what shurmur can do. Come on guys!!! Cocaine is a hell of a drug. What am I saying - anyone optimistic about this team's ability to add talent after what they've done to the roster this past year and change is on something a lot stronger than cocaine.

Then you are on heroin or mushrooms. Two games and the sky is falling.

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Then you are on heroin or mushrooms. Two games and the sky is falling.

Not sure about you, but my opinion is based on watching this FO operate for over a year - and the fruits of a scouting department that has been largely intact for the duration of their ineptitude.

But yeah, it's a new season - so different from the rest! Now, to go along with all the losing, we have new and improved culture!

BUT

There are teams that have gone through much longer bleak periods than we have, and their fans have figured out how to show up every year. We're not going to be bad forever. I'm not saying that it'll be the same as the Rams, but once they figured out a formula, look how quickly things turned around for them. Hell, the Browns are GOOD now (in no small part thanks to Gettleman). You roll with the good AND the bad. Or not, it's your life...but I'm proud to be a Giants fan even if we suck right now. I'd still rather be a Giants fan while the Giants play like ass than be a Cowboys fan while they're playing great. And if you think we have it bad, look at the dumpster fire that is the Redskins.

This is Eli's last season in blue. He's likely not going to make it to the end of the season as a starter. Hell, we might have already seen his last game as a starter. But that guy and this team gave me and my family and friends too many great memories to just hate on them. There are only so many games a year, and I don't think pro football is going to even be a thing in a couple decades. So, good or bad-I'm still bleeding blue.

We're not going to be bad forever.

In comment 14581884 jcn56 said:

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In comment 14581879 section125 said: Quote: Then you are on heroin or mushrooms. Two games and the sky is falling. Not sure about you, but my opinion is based on watching this FO operate for over a year - and the fruits of a scouting department that has been largely intact for the duration of their ineptitude. But yeah, it's a new season - so different from the rest! Now, to go along with all the losing, we have new and improved culture!

So, after two games and a bunch of new guys you throw up your hands and think nothing got better because they did not automatically transform into the 1985 Chicago Bears? I admit I thought they might win 8. While the defense is still in disarray, it was better than the week before on just sacks and pressure on the QB. But how many 1st or 2nd year players did they play? It is going to take a while until they can learn to play together. Remember how much time Baker was out over the summer - and he does look bad. How long was Corey Webster a disaster?

Right now I think Eli is holding the offense back, I also think that Shurmur needs to stop saving Barkley and unleash him. I agree that the WRs are pedestrian, but Tate being out is Tate's fault. Just as Lattimer gets going he gets a cheap shot to the head, as did Shepard the week before.

Not saying things are great - they suck. But the only way to get the team corrected was get rid of the malingerers and malcontents(talented as they might be and aging)

Non-experts in the media, in the fantasy/gambling world, and even on this board have been pointing out the warning signs for YEARS. So how is it that the supposed experts in the building can fuck up so completely key decisions whose implications were so clear from outside perspectives?

And let me save the suspense: Daniel Jones can't save this even if he's really good.

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Right now I think Eli is holding the offense back, I also think that Shurmur needs to stop saving Barkley and unleash him. I agree that the WRs are pedestrian, but Tate being out is Tate's fault. Just as Lattimer gets going he gets a cheap shot to the head, as did Shepard the week before. Not saying things are great - they suck. But the only way to get the team corrected was get rid of the malingerers and malcontents(talented as they might be and aging)

I feel sometimes like some Giants fans have fallen victim to a cult. You've been sold a bill of goods - that there was a roster full of malcontents that had to go to make things better here, and that until that was done nothing would be right in Giants-land.

So, that happened - and things got worse.

I'm not overreacting because I thought the Giants would be better. I expected this. Not tooting my own horn either, since everyone who follows the NFL expected this. I'm disgusted with the team not because they're not winning - they're showing literally no signs of improvement.

They don't look like they're having growing pains. In those cases, you see mistakes here and there as players new to a system or new to the NFL get adjusted. What I'm seeing is a total systemic collapse. Veterans signed to add some stability have looked worse than rookies. Players are constantly out of position. Playcalls are puzzling and predictable. Coaches look completely outclassed, as does the talent.

If you want to chalk it up to youth, be my guest - only time will prove you or me right. But given the moves that can be graded to date - the coaching hires, the FA acquisitions - this team has done a lot more wrong than they have right. That's not something new with the Gettleman/Shurmur regime either. That's been a trend for this team since 2012, with one aberration in between. The arrow looks like it's pointing sideways/down again, and even the most hopeful on BBI are pointing towards another high draft pick and the benefits that will bring.

At some point - someone has to start playing better football. Until that point, the Giants are going nowhere but down.

In comment 14581899 Go Terps said:

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Non-experts in the media, in the fantasy/gambling world, and even on this board have been pointing out the warning signs for YEARS. So how is it that the supposed experts in the building can fuck up so completely key decisions whose implications were so clear from outside perspectives? And let me save the suspense: Daniel Jones can't save this even if he's really good.

I think that's the most frustrating part. It's not as if someone could say 'well, who could have seen *this* coming'?

Because the answer was literally everyone - everyone not rooting for the Giants, and even many who did - could see this slow motion train wreck unfolding. And yet people insisted it was one thing or another, media bias, wanting to see certain players fail.

Mara Dolan'ed up the Giants.

I can't really say I enjoy watching the games much but we are all big fans we know how it goes.

Even seeing Barkley look like the superhuman he is i'm finding myself creeping into thoughts like it's just a shame he found his way into this clusterfuck.

The more this plays out the more it just feels like the people at the top need to wake up and I don't know what will make them. Mara seems much more interested in selling people on an idea that everything is great than actually making any real changes. The longer I see Shurmur coach the more i'm just like, how in gods name did anyone see this man and his record and say this guy should be leading a team?

Hearing him bungle the answer as to why he should be the coach on the WFAN today. Jeez. If you can't even answer that question how the hell can you motivate a team? Well you probably can't and it shows.

so I can look forward to Sundays again.

If we're gonna suck, might as well have the development of hopefully our next franchise QB to look forward to

In comment 14581871 V.I.G. said:

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For the first time in years I am (truly) optimistic Let’s see the kid play Maybe we have the QB for the next 15 years We have cap space in 2020 Barkley is awesome This OL is solid and will only improve with drafts We have a young D with potential Let’s watch them grow Let’s add some ERs in FA and the draft Let’s hope that Mara is out of football decisions Let’s see what shurmur can do. Come on guys!!!

What makes you think for 1 second that Mara is going to be out of football decisions going forward ? That is wishful thinking at best

As Giants fans I think there is some excitement to see if the current trainwreck can improve but watching Barkley is amazing.

And if Jones is the real deal-- I'm sorry but we got something.

And I'm the one who trashes DG - gave him "F Grades' despise the man - and never liked the HC or DC.

It's not that "I'm confident." That means shit. Just see if any of these kids can progress as eventually Jones gets playing time and as of this moment his OL is not disastrous.

If they turn it around for next year we all win. If they suck again next year -- then root for the media to tear into DG with hurricane force winds.

There is no excuse other than major injuries for a GM having 3 straight years of high draft picks (assuming we get next year) along with having cap money to not being in the playoff hunt for next year unless you fucked up along the way.

In comment 14581925 giantstock said:

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As Giants fans I think there is some excitement to see if the current trainwreck can improve but watching Barkley is amazing. And if Jones is the real deal-- I'm sorry but we got something. And I'm the one who trashes DG - gave him "F Grades' despise the man - and never liked the HC or DC. It's not that "I'm confident." That means shit. Just see if any of these kids can progress as eventually Jones gets playing time and as of this moment his OL is not disastrous. If they turn it around for next year we all win. If they suck again next year -- then root for the media to tear into DG with hurricane force winds. There is no excuse other than major injuries for a GM having 3 straight years of high draft picks (assuming we get next year) along with having cap money to not being in the playoff hunt for next year unless you fucked up along the way.

Let me add to the last para having a stud like Barkley which makes the entire offense better.