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Disparity between this year's offense and last year's...

M.S. : 9/17/2019 7:48 am
...admittedly a very small sample after just two games, but what sticks out is that our 2019 offense is churning out a lot more yardage (420 vs 290 per game), but its third down conversion rate this season (21.7%) is significantly lower than last season's (40.0%).

Indeed, last season's better 3rd down conversion rate is one of the reasons why the Giants had a significantly higher time of possession (31:21 vs 27:32).

The greater yardage this season has yielded significantly more first downs (23 vs. 16), but even that hasn't been able to drive up our Time of Possession!

After Two Games

First Downs
2018: 32 (16 per game)
2019: 46 (23 per game)

Third Down Efficiency
2018: 12 -30 (40.0%)
2019: 5 - 23 (21.7%)

Net Rushing Yardage
2018: 149 (74.5 per game)
2019: 280 (140.0 per game)

Net Passing Yardage
2018: 430 (215.0 per game)
2019: 560 (280.0 per game)

Total Net Yardage
2018: 579 (289.5 per game)
2019: 840 (420.0 per game)

Average Time of Possession
2018: 31:21
2019: 27:32
all comes down to third downs  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 9/17/2019 7:50 am : link
if that reverts to the mean, should be a fairly effective offense. If not, we will score 14 points per game.
That's playcalling and execution  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/17/2019 7:53 am : link
Just by eye, they're going for these 3rd downs though the air and it's not working.
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christian : 9/17/2019 7:54 am : link
In all seriousness the offense is working. It's a dink and dunk offense, built on quick hits. When Tate and Shepard are back, don't expect anything different. They are both low YPC, high volume catch guys too.

The question is whether that's a successful philosophy in today's NFL.

The Bills and Cowboys have played bend don't break types of games and the Giants have 1) not been able to score enough to keep up and 2) self destructed when they had the opportunities.
You're comparing 2 games vs a full 16 games - like you said  
GiantsRage2007 : 9/17/2019 8:05 am : link
You can't compare things like that

We've lost 2x, by 2td or more each game - Lots of prevent and garbage time stats in those 2 games. Hell Dallas pulled their starters in the 3rd qtr.
We've played two of the better defenses in the NFL  
WillieYoung : 9/17/2019 8:05 am : link
At this point in his career Eli is not equipped to challenge good defenses.
I guess that it's hard to convert third downs  
Karl Hungus : 9/17/2019 8:09 am : link
With 3 undrafted starting wide receivers?
RE: We've played two of the better defenses in the NFL  
Tuckrule : 9/17/2019 8:21 am : link
In comment 14582049 WillieYoung said:
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At this point in his career Eli is not equipped to challenge good defenses.


Yea with the likes of Fowler Cody core and latimer. Go find me a qb that could make this work. This answer is Russell Wilson or mahomes
As suggested, small  
Gmen703 : 9/17/2019 8:32 am : link
Sample size. I pray that the offense does better than last year.
Hard to convert with 3 undrafted receivers  
RollBlue : 9/17/2019 8:35 am : link
yet I heard frequently in the off season how much better our offense was without OBJ the last four games (garbage time) last year. With all the defense talent we drafted in the OBJ trade you'd think the D would be average. Watching OBJ torch the Jets last night was hard to watch.
3rd down is the difference between a game manager QB...  
penkap75 : 9/17/2019 8:37 am : link
who checks down, vs play-making qb.

I get that Eli has no real WRs to throw to, but he is out of excuses.
1st half only stats  
ij_reilly : 9/17/2019 8:39 am : link
Might be more telling.

For the most part, it’s been game over for the Giants by halftime.

Including second half stats is going to reflect playing from behind and garbage time .
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christian : 9/17/2019 8:45 am : link
Garbage time yards definitely need to be accounted for -- in both games the Giants wracked up a bunch of yards with the game well out of hand.

Also the Giants WR issues are real. These are career bottom-of-the-roster of the roster players. Even when the starters return don't expect a renaissance of productivity, these are low YPC guys.
It’s almost like a key component of last year’s team...  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/17/2019 9:08 am : link
...isn’t on the team this year 😉
Time of possession.....  
Britt in VA : 9/17/2019 9:16 am : link
There have been 9 70+ yard TD drives on our defense in two weeks. One was 98 yards.

That's time consuming.
Think about that. 9 TD's on our defense in two games.  
Britt in VA : 9/17/2019 9:18 am : link
All of them long, grinding, scoring drives.

Oh, and on that 98 yard TD drive the other day, they converted a 1st and 20 on the first try.
That's not to discount our dreadful 3rd down conversion %.....  
Britt in VA : 9/17/2019 9:19 am : link
But the ball is being kept away from our offense for Loooooong periods of time.
RE: ...  
Les in TO : 9/17/2019 9:21 am : link
In comment 14582094 christian said:
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Garbage time yards definitely need to be accounted for -- in both games the Giants wracked up a bunch of yards with the game well out of hand.

Also the Giants WR issues are real. These are career bottom-of-the-roster of the roster players. Even when the starters return don't expect a renaissance of productivity, these are low YPC guys.
yup. We had a real receiver but he was traded and his replacement who is nowhere near as good made a bonehead medication decision
It may have something to do with playing two very good defenses  
Ira : 9/17/2019 9:52 am : link
in our first two games.
RE: 3rd down is the difference between a game manager QB...  
Bill L : 9/17/2019 9:55 am : link
In comment 14582085 penkap75 said:
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who checks down, vs play-making qb.

I get that Eli has no real WRs to throw to, but he is out of excuses.


LOL.

That's quite a paradox
RE: ...  
Bill L : 9/17/2019 9:56 am : link
In comment 14582039 christian said:
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In all seriousness the offense is working. It's a dink and dunk offense, built on quick hits. When Tate and Shepard are back, don't expect anything different. They are both low YPC, high volume catch guys too.

The question is whether that's a successful philosophy in today's NFL.

The Bills and Cowboys have played bend don't break types of games and the Giants have 1) not been able to score enough to keep up and 2) self destructed when they had the opportunities.


I thought Tate's rep was being a high YAC guy?
I don't think YAC means what you think it means  
bigbluehoya : 9/17/2019 10:00 am : link
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RE: all comes down to third downs  
KeoweeFan : 9/17/2019 10:01 am : link
In comment 14582037 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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if that reverts to the mean, should be a fairly effective offense. If not, we will score 14 points per game.

I know this is nit-picking, but "reverting to the mean" only applies if the events are random. If you can identify a cause or two (cough-cough), they ain't random.
RE: I don't think YAC means what you think it means  
Bill L : 9/17/2019 10:04 am : link
In comment 14582284 bigbluehoya said:
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Probably not. I thought it mean Yards After Catch?

Are you're insinuating it's some sort of Himalayan moose? A wretching sound?
YAC  
bigbluehoya : 9/17/2019 10:06 am : link
is Yards after Contact, and is a stat mostly associated with RBs.

I think you are referring to RAC, which is Running after Catch.
RE: YAC  
Bill L : 9/17/2019 10:07 am : link
In comment 14582320 bigbluehoya said:
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is Yards after Contact, and is a stat mostly associated with RBs.

I think you are referring to RAC, which is Running after Catch.


Okay. RAC then. Either way, isn't that Tate's supposed forte? Shouldn't that help this kind of offense?
It could  
bigbluehoya : 9/17/2019 10:11 am : link
but he's not really an electric athlete at this point. I think a lot of his RAC history was a function of his role/usage/offense. He was the slot guy on teams that could actually throw the ball downfield.

I don't think he's even remotely a game-changer. Maybe a nice reliable target for the dink and dunk and checkdown-fest that is the NYG offense right now.
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