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After OBJ's performance last night, what are your thoughts?

GMAN4LIFE : 9/17/2019 9:20 am
alot of analysts are now calling the trade dumb for the Giants based solely on last nights performance.

I think its still too early to say but what are your thoughts now?
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RE: I'd rather be 0-2 without OBJ than with him.  
Sonic Youth : 9/17/2019 9:44 am : link
In comment 14582211 Britt in VA said:
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Does anybody think he would have made a difference these past two weeks for us, overall?
The Bills game absolutely had the potential to turn into a W with Beckham on the Giants. 100%.
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arcarsenal : 9/17/2019 9:45 am : link
My thoughts are that the Giants paid him a lot of money to keep him here. He basically spit in their faces, couldn't even pretend to be happy here, and checks out when the team is losing.

Doesn't mean he's not a really good player. But the Giants were a bad team almost every year he was here aside from the one year we went on a defensive shopping spree and the defense carried the team most of the way.
RE: I'd rather be 0-2 without OBJ than with him.  
family progtitioner : 9/17/2019 9:45 am : link
In comment 14582211 Britt in VA said:
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Does anybody think he would have made a difference these past two weeks for us, overall?


Yes
RE: RE: I'd rather be 0-2 without OBJ than with him.  
Metnut : 9/17/2019 9:46 am : link
In comment 14582237 Sonic Youth said:
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In comment 14582211 Britt in VA said:


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Does anybody think he would have made a difference these past two weeks for us, overall?

The Bills game absolutely had the potential to turn into a W with Beckham on the Giants. 100%.


Especially if you had used Eli's cap room to improve the pass rush.
they play  
cjac : 9/17/2019 9:46 am : link
the

Rams
Ravens
49ers
Seahawks
Patriots

lets see what their record is after the next 5 games and see if that locker room is going to implode...
The way to build a team is  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 9/17/2019 9:46 am : link
through the draft - BBI

After we jettison our home grown talent that deserved second contracts - We’re building a better locker room and culture it doesn’t matter what talent we have as long as we have culture - also BBI

And fuck Pat Shurmur while we are at it. He’s not a strong enough leader to handle great talent. He probably would have asked to trade LT!
I still believe this trade was right,  
BIGbluegermany : 9/17/2019 9:47 am : link
but the Giants could not find a replacement and that was a big fail by DG
My thought is that a poster calling another poster a racist  
Post Time : 9/17/2019 9:47 am : link
based on the former not liking what the latter said about OBJ should be a banable offense.

How is that not worse than a lot of other banable actions? That's a serious allegation to just be thrown around haphazardly...
RE: RE: I'd rather be 0-2 without OBJ than with him.  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 9/17/2019 9:48 am : link
In comment 14582240 family progtitioner said:
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In comment 14582211 Britt in VA said:


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Does anybody think he would have made a difference these past two weeks for us, overall?



Yes


Absolutely. You can win in the modern NFL with an exceptional offense. Look at the Chiefs! Now we are just crappy on both sides of the ball.
RE: The way to build a team is  
arcarsenal : 9/17/2019 9:48 am : link
In comment 14582244 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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through the draft - BBI

After we jettison our home grown talent that deserved second contracts - We’re building a better locker room and culture it doesn’t matter what talent we have as long as we have culture - also BBI

And fuck Pat Shurmur while we are at it. He’s not a strong enough leader to handle great talent. He probably would have asked to trade LT!


These posts are so fucking stupid. "BBI" isn't one person.
You shouldn't trade great players  
since1925 : 9/17/2019 9:49 am : link
You should collect them.
Nobody is surprised that Beckham can play.  
Britt in VA : 9/17/2019 9:51 am : link
Everybody knew that Beckham can play when he was here.

He didn't get traded and net all that he did because he wasn't talented.

He wasn't traded because of his talent.
Sarcastically referencing "culture" over and over again  
Chris684 : 9/17/2019 9:51 am : link
does nothing but point out that the person saying it is not very bright.
Big talent, but not worth the headache here  
BillyM : 9/17/2019 9:53 am : link
And the totality of the trade will not be truly understood until we put his large contract back to work in free agency.

OBJ this year on this team would be a disaster. He'd be sulking every single game with the defense killing us.

He will be awesome for Browns, a team further along than us in all facets of the game.
The man-child is certainly a great talent, no denying it.  
GiantsUA : 9/17/2019 9:53 am : link
Time will tell what kind of career he has. In the meantime I was not sad to see him go.
I'm torn... a little  
Johnny5 : 9/17/2019 9:53 am : link
The guy really seems like a tool. But it's the NFL, if you want great players on your team sometimes you have to put up with the bullshit (somewhat anyway).

I was for the trade mainly because I did not see him having that extra gear anymore after the broken ankle.... but he sure looked to have it back last night.

So yeah, right now? After two games of Jabrill Peppers sucking and watching OBj close to his old form? Yeah I'm definitely bummed.
career - post Giants that is.  
GiantsUA : 9/17/2019 9:53 am : link
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RE: Same as they've been  
The Turk : 9/17/2019 9:54 am : link
In comment 14582157 Greg from LI said:
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The trade sucked and made the Giants significantly worse.


Yep. and anyone who thinks chemistry is so magical or Odell is a bad egg is just plain wrong. Never quit on talent.
RE: Same as they've been  
HomerJones45 : 9/17/2019 9:55 am : link
In comment 14582157 Greg from LI said:
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The trade sucked and made the Giants significantly worse.
Bingo.

Never saw a team trade all its talent away as a way to "re-build". The Giants are essentially an expansion team at the moment.
You can quit on talent  
JonC : 9/17/2019 9:55 am : link
after you reward it and it spits in your face.
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Kyle in NY : 9/17/2019 9:57 am : link
I think any suggestion that he'd lost a step or was less explosive were maybe a bit premature. My thoughts remain mixed on the trade but what's done is done. He looks good though

But there's something off about that team as a whole. Nothing really to do with Odell. Baker looks like he's trying to do too much, the OL is poor, the inexperience of the coach has shown. What were they doing dropping him back to throw with two minutes left up 20 points? Only to have him get hit again. Some really good pass rushes coming up on the schedule. I think they might struggle
All these people in their feelings because OBJ had a good night.  
Brown Recluse : 9/17/2019 9:57 am : link
Some of you are so reactive and emotional I dont know how you manage to navigate life.

OBJ is a great player. Thats no surprise. If you thought he was going to Cleveland and not going to have a good year barring injury, you were kidding yourself.

His talent wasnt the problem though. In the end, no matter what he says, he didnt want to be here anymore. He’s got his money and his buddies in Cleveland and apparently he still has his big mouth based on his comments from last night.

Time to move on.
Everybody saying the team is worse without Beckham....  
Britt in VA : 9/17/2019 9:57 am : link
Are we really?

2014: 6-10
2015: 6-10
2016: 11-5
2017: 3-13
2018: 5-11
RE: Same as they've been  
djstat : 9/17/2019 9:57 am : link
In comment 14582157 Greg from LI said:
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The trade sucked and made the Giants significantly worse.
Get over it
RE: My biggest problem with OBJ is his injury history. He's a great  
V.I.G. : 9/17/2019 9:57 am : link
In comment 14582170 Ira said:
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receiver, but we need a #1 who can stay on the field. We don't have that now, but maybe next season.

^this
So 2 games and we've decided  
Chris684 : 9/17/2019 9:58 am : link
none of the young players the Giants acquired via this trade are a worth a damn huh?

Wow, I wish I had the ability to tell the future the way some of you can!
He played well against a really bad team  
djstat : 9/17/2019 9:58 am : link
Back up QB. Starting MLB out. Etc.
RE: Everybody saying the team is worse without Beckham....  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 9/17/2019 10:00 am : link
In comment 14582274 Britt in VA said:
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Are we really?

2014: 6-10
2015: 6-10
2016: 11-5
2017: 3-13
2018: 5-11


The one winning season we had, you could make an argument that he literally willed that team to the playoffs.
RE: RE: Everybody saying the team is worse without Beckham....  
Britt in VA : 9/17/2019 10:01 am : link
In comment 14582286 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Are we really?

2014: 6-10
2015: 6-10
2016: 11-5
2017: 3-13
2018: 5-11



The one winning season we had, you could make an argument that he literally willed that team to the playoffs.


You could also make an argument that the 200 million we spent on defense helped, as well.
Considering we couldn't break 20 points on offense  
Britt in VA : 9/17/2019 10:02 am : link
for a historic stretch.
RE: RE: Everybody saying the team is worse without Beckham....  
Chris684 : 9/17/2019 10:02 am : link
In comment 14582286 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 14582274 Britt in VA said:


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Are we really?

2014: 6-10
2015: 6-10
2016: 11-5
2017: 3-13
2018: 5-11



The one winning season we had, you could make an argument that he literally willed that team to the playoffs.


Then he shat his pants when he got there.

Big deal!
The media are putting up a strawman argument  
Bill L : 9/17/2019 10:02 am : link
the trade was *never* about his talent. That remains unquestioned.
I feel EXACTLY the same as I always have  
Jim in Tampa : 9/17/2019 10:02 am : link
Giants should have found a way to keep a player that talented.

OBJ is certainly a prima donna but he works hard, wants to win and his teammates loved him. (Except maybe for Eli :>)
That's why you keep him.

Some of the antics were annoying and some were just weird (kicker net hugging) but I don't think the dog pissing political statement or saying mean things about Eli were such a big threat to the "culture" that he had to be traded.

Giants had (arguably) their all-time best WR and RB on the team at the same time as weapons for a young QB to work with and they blew it.

As long as your superstars are playing hard you give them a little leeway if necessary. You gon't trade him.

DG probably would have traded that troublemaker LT too. Parcells and Young found a way to work with him because as DG put it...

You don't give up on talent.
It was a stupid trade at the time...  
Tesla : 9/17/2019 10:03 am : link
and remains a stupid trade. Incredibly stupid. If Jones turns out to be even 80% of the player he was this preseason, imagine having him, Barkley, Beckham and Engram with the solid OL we have now. We'd have the potential for a truly dynamic offense.

Instead we got a mediocre strong safety, a 2 down run stuffer and a 3rd round edge rusher.

Idiotic trade from and idiotic GM who didn't even try to get the best offer cause he felt like doing another deal with his buddy, and didn't want to insult him by shopping the offer.

Hey, but at least we still got Eli.
what were his comments from last night?  
ron mexico : 9/17/2019 10:03 am : link
Only caught the last 5 seconds of the on field interview
RE: RE: Everybody saying the team is worse without Beckham....  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 9/17/2019 10:03 am : link
In comment 14582286 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 14582274 Britt in VA said:


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Are we really?

2014: 6-10
2015: 6-10
2016: 11-5
2017: 3-13
2018: 5-11



The one winning season we had, you could make an argument that he literally willed that team to the playoffs.


Certainly helped, but without OBJ taking slants to the house all season our offense would have been absolute trash and we would have definitely not made the playoffs.
We all knew Odell would have games like this,  
Section331 : 9/17/2019 10:04 am : link
but the trade is defensible. He's a smallish WR who relies on quickness, and gets dinged up a lot. Those guys don't tend to age well.

What is less defensible is signing him to an extension and THEN trading him. All that dead cap money was an enormous waste of resources.
Best WR i've ever seen play the game.  
rasbutant : 9/17/2019 10:04 am : link
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Wish the Giants had a team culture that could handle these strong personalities types. Belichick would never HAD to trade him for the good of the locker room.
Britt, since you keep harping on "moving the needle"  
Greg from LI : 9/17/2019 10:04 am : link
Has Barkley moved the needle any? As brilliant as he's been individually, the team is 5-13 in his young career.

See how silly this exercise is?
RE: I feel EXACTLY the same as I always have  
Britt in VA : 9/17/2019 10:04 am : link
In comment 14582299 Jim in Tampa said:
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Giants should have found a way to keep a player that talented.

OBJ is certainly a prima donna but he works hard, wants to win and his teammates loved him. (Except maybe for Eli :>)
That's why you keep him.

Some of the antics were annoying and some were just weird (kicker net hugging) but I don't think the dog pissing political statement or saying mean things about Eli were such a big threat to the "culture" that he had to be traded.

Giants had (arguably) their all-time best WR and RB on the team at the same time as weapons for a young QB to work with and they blew it.

As long as your superstars are playing hard you give them a little leeway if necessary. You gon't trade him.

DG probably would have traded that troublemaker LT too. Parcells and Young found a way to work with him because as DG put it...

You don't give up on talent.


Even after all that, they paid him 90 million to stay.

4 weeks later he went on ESPN Sunday Morning with Lil Wayne sitting there and when asked directly if he wanted to be wanted to be a Giant he basically said he wasn't sure.
RE: Britt, since you keep harping on  
Britt in VA : 9/17/2019 10:05 am : link
In comment 14582310 Greg from LI said:
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Has Barkley moved the needle any? As brilliant as he's been individually, the team is 5-13 in his young career.

See how silly this exercise is?


Barkley has only played one year. Let's give him the five Beckham had to do it and see what he does.

Silly, right?
RE: Britt, since you keep harping on  
Chris684 : 9/17/2019 10:05 am : link
In comment 14582310 Greg from LI said:
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Has Barkley moved the needle any? As brilliant as he's been individually, the team is 5-13 in his young career.

See how silly this exercise is?


Wake us up when Barkley quits on the fucking team.
RE: Everybody saying the team is worse without Beckham....  
Tesla : 9/17/2019 10:06 am : link
In comment 14582274 Britt in VA said:
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Are we really?

2014: 6-10
2015: 6-10
2016: 11-5
2017: 3-13
2018: 5-11


And you predicted that Eli would actually play better without the need to throw OBJ the ball, and we'd go 10-6.

So settle down here chief and try a slice of humble pie.
RE: RE: Everybody saying the team is worse without Beckham....  
arcarsenal : 9/17/2019 10:06 am : link
In comment 14582286 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 14582274 Britt in VA said:


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Are we really?

2014: 6-10
2015: 6-10
2016: 11-5
2017: 3-13
2018: 5-11



The one winning season we had, you could make an argument that he literally willed that team to the playoffs.


The top 5 defense we fielded that got several stops late in games probably had a little more to do with it than some fictitious narrative about Beckham "willing" the team to win all on his own...but who needs facts.
That too.  
Britt in VA : 9/17/2019 10:06 am : link
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RE: RE: I feel EXACTLY the same as I always have  
Greg from LI : 9/17/2019 10:07 am : link
In comment 14582311 Britt in VA said:
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when asked directly if he wanted to be wanted to be a Giant he basically said he wasn't sure.


Are you aware that Phil Simms and Harry Carson both tried repeatedly to force trades to other teams prior to 1985?
RE: RE: I feel EXACTLY the same as I always have  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 9/17/2019 10:08 am : link
In comment 14582311 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 14582299 Jim in Tampa said:


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Giants should have found a way to keep a player that talented.

OBJ is certainly a prima donna but he works hard, wants to win and his teammates loved him. (Except maybe for Eli :>)
That's why you keep him.

Some of the antics were annoying and some were just weird (kicker net hugging) but I don't think the dog pissing political statement or saying mean things about Eli were such a big threat to the "culture" that he had to be traded.

Giants had (arguably) their all-time best WR and RB on the team at the same time as weapons for a young QB to work with and they blew it.

As long as your superstars are playing hard you give them a little leeway if necessary. You gon't trade him.

DG probably would have traded that troublemaker LT too. Parcells and Young found a way to work with him because as DG put it...

You don't give up on talent.



Even after all that, they paid him 90 million to stay.

4 weeks later he went on ESPN Sunday Morning with Lil Wayne sitting there and when asked directly if he wanted to be wanted to be a Giant he basically said he wasn't sure.


Man are your feelings hurt? The organization has been a disaster and continues to be a disaster.
Seems to me the only one whose feelings are hurt is Beckham.  
Britt in VA : 9/17/2019 10:08 am : link
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RE: Considering we couldn't break 20 points on offense  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/17/2019 10:09 am : link
In comment 14582295 Britt in VA said:
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for a historic stretch.


But...Beckham...
Five years, huh?  
Greg from LI : 9/17/2019 10:09 am : link
Why? Is he going to somehow play significantly better than he did last year? What exactly do you expect to see Barkley do differently that will turn the team's fortunes around?
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