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GMAN4LIFE : 9/17/2019 10:11 am
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It'll be  
crick n NC : 9/17/2019 10:29 am : link
Interesting to see how patient fans will be with Jones. Patients is typically required with a rookie qb, especially on a team like this. This is very exciting anyhow.
I'm sad to see Eli go out this way....  
Britt in VA : 9/17/2019 10:29 am : link
but genuinely excited to start the next chapter of Giants football.
Coaching is still a big problem  
RollBlue : 9/17/2019 10:30 am : link
but the play if Eli is at least as big a problem. Jones is a rookie, there will be growing pains - it took Eli 3-4 years. Hopefully Jones shows promise this season - if not, it can be addressed again next April with a new GM and Coach.
RE: how fucking stupid was it  
Go Terps : 9/17/2019 10:31 am : link
In comment 14582372 jintz4life said:
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to keep eli at his salary for this season


This needs to be the story. In a year this team has:

- Signed Beckham to a massive contact only to trade him
- Opted not to release Eli to save $17M in cap space so he could play two games

Gettleman should be fired fucking today, and Shurmur with him. Idiots.
RE: It'll be  
Greg from LI : 9/17/2019 10:31 am : link
In comment 14582513 crick n NC said:
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Interesting to see how patient fans will be with Jones. Patients is typically required with a rookie qb, especially on a team like this. This is very exciting anyhow.


What??? Didn't you watch him in preseason????
Shurmer just cashed in his 2020 insurance policy  
The_Boss : 9/17/2019 10:31 am : link
Now he’s going nowhere after this season.
I’m surprised  
Les in TO : 9/17/2019 10:31 am : link
They made the move this early. I’m all for it as the stats have shown there is zero benefit to redshirting rookies, he looked great in the preseason and Eli is now a bottom tier starter. But when they traded Odell, paid Eli for this season and Mara made his comments in the offseason I thought it would be only a late season move not just after two games.

Shurmur knows that Handley and McAdoo each lasted two seasons or less and another 5-11 performance with predominantly Eli would lead to a pink slip. So his chance of surviving is showing he can develop Jones and this team can succeed with the right leader

Eli is a nice guy, a mensch even and he worked hard. He delivered some of his best play when it mattered most. But it’s time
RE: I'm sad to see Eli go out this way....  
crick n NC : 9/17/2019 10:31 am : link
In comment 14582520 Britt in VA said:
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but genuinely excited to start the next chapter of Giants football.


Yeah, pretty much the same. Bittersweet
RE: RE: how fucking stupid was it  
Nine-Tails : 9/17/2019 10:32 am : link
In comment 14582537 Go Terps said:
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In comment 14582372 jintz4life said:


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to keep eli at his salary for this season



This needs to be the story. In a year this team has:

- Signed Beckham to a massive contact only to trade him
- Opted not to release Eli to save $17M in cap space so he could play two games

Gettleman should be fired fucking today, and Shurmur with him. Idiots.


But culture and the KC model
QB successions  
Les in TO : 9/17/2019 10:33 am : link
Are rarely graceful. Elway winning B2B Super Bowls and then riding out into the sunset was the exception
Gettleman  
Gruber : 9/17/2019 10:33 am : link
A layer of protection just got removed from Dave Gettleman.
He's a little more in the firing line now.
wow  
giantfan2000 : 9/17/2019 10:33 am : link
yep McAdoo was right
Shurmur's words  
M.S. : 9/17/2019 10:33 am : link

"This move is more about Daniel moving forward than about Eli.”

I think this is very true, well-said and spoken from the heart.

Not  
WestCoastGiant56 : 9/17/2019 10:33 am : link
sure I agree with keeping a qb at 20M if you were expecting to make the switch this early in the season. And considering how bad this roster is, no one should have expected anything but an 0-2 start.
RE: RE: It'll be  
crick n NC : 9/17/2019 10:33 am : link
In comment 14582538 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14582513 crick n NC said:


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Interesting to see how patient fans will be with Jones. Patients is typically required with a rookie qb, especially on a team like this. This is very exciting anyhow.



What??? Didn't you watch him in preseason????


Greg, he was inducted into the preseason HOF following his heroic performance. He is joining the likes of Kent Graham (1999 preseason)
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Amazinz : 9/17/2019 10:34 am : link
I'm excited in a bittersweet way. Love Eli.

But Jones is going to be a good one.

Kind of surprised they chose to do it this early. No turning back now.

Let's go Giants!
RE: Shurmer just cashed in his 2020 insurance policy  
crick n NC : 9/17/2019 10:35 am : link
In comment 14582539 The_Boss said:
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Now he’s going nowhere after this season.


Not necessarily, he will be given some grace on losses, but it will matter in what session the team loses.
RE: RE: how fucking stupid was it  
M.S. : 9/17/2019 10:35 am : link
In comment 14582537 Go Terps said:
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to keep eli at his salary for this season



This needs to be the story. In a year this team has:

- Signed Beckham to a massive contact only to trade him
- Opted not to release Eli to save $17M in cap space so he could play two games

Gettleman should be fired fucking today, and Shurmur with him. Idiots.

Paying Eli was more in recognition of his former contributions than his potential going forward. We may not agree with that tactic, but I believe it is what motivated Mara & Company.
It is very bittersweet  
Greg from LI : 9/17/2019 10:36 am : link
Regardless of the fact that this is overdue, it's a lousy way for a team legend to go out. It sucked when Simms was released in 1994 and this sucks today.

He's just not the guy anymore. Could probably do well enough as a caretaker type on a talented offense, but he simply can't make anyone better anymore.
It's a decision they had to make  
AcesUp : 9/17/2019 10:36 am : link
We all knew where this was going so what is the point of drawing it out? A soft road game vs a bad secondary is one of the best places to start.

Excited to see what the kid has.
Schumer is gone by thanksgiving. Calling it.  
GMAN4LIFE : 9/17/2019 10:36 am : link
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RE: Shurmer just cashed in his 2020 insurance policy  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/17/2019 10:36 am : link
In comment 14582539 The_Boss said:
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Now he’s going nowhere after this season.


It's way too early to say that IMO. These last 14 games are as much about evaluating Shurmur as they are getting Daniel Jones experience.
RE: RE: Shurmer just cashed in his 2020 insurance policy  
crick n NC : 9/17/2019 10:38 am : link
In comment 14582586 crick n NC said:
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Now he’s going nowhere after this season.



Not necessarily, he will be given some grace on losses, but it will matter in what session the team loses.


In what fashion the team loses
so stupid - they made Francesa's point  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 9/17/2019 10:40 am : link
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Chris684 : 9/17/2019 10:40 am : link
"Eli and I spoke this morning," head coach Pat Shurmur said Tuesday, per the team's official website. "I told him that we are making a change and going with Daniel as the starter. I also talked to Daniel. Eli was obviously disappointed, as you would expect, but he said he would be what he has always been, a good teammate, and continue to prepare to help this team win games. Daniel understands the challenge at hand, and he will be ready to play on Sunday."
RE: Schumer is gone by thanksgiving. Calling it.  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 9/17/2019 10:41 am : link
In comment 14582600 GMAN4LIFE said:
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Is there some kind of special election happening in November?
RE: Schumer is gone by thanksgiving. Calling it.  
RDJR : 9/17/2019 10:41 am : link
In comment 14582600 GMAN4LIFE said:
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Noted. But why? The kid has to win immediately?
RE: Schumer is gone by thanksgiving. Calling it.  
giants#1 : 9/17/2019 10:41 am : link
In comment 14582600 GMAN4LIFE said:
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I hope not. That would mean Jones looks like garbage.
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arcarsenal : 9/17/2019 10:43 am : link
Sucks for Eli... this org failed him miserably. And now he gets sent to the bench after playing in a game where his WR's were Cody Latimer, Benny Fowler and Cody Kore against the toughest secondary (or one of) in football with a defense that had zero answers for anything the Bills... yes, the fucking Bills... did.

I don't feel bad for his pockets.. he's made plenty of money and had a pretty successful run.

But from an organizational standpoint... they just did a horrendous job of understanding the type of player he was and putting the right elements in place for him to succeed.

But... such is life. Onto the next chapter.
Any chance Mara is pushing this so Eli doesn’t end his career  
Dave in PA : 9/17/2019 10:44 am : link
With a losing record?
RE: Any chance Mara is pushing this so Eli doesn’t end his career  
SJGiant : 9/17/2019 10:45 am : link
In comment 14582668 Dave in PA said:
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With a losing record?


I was just about to write this.
RE: I'm sad to see Eli go out this way....  
JCin332 : 9/17/2019 10:45 am : link
In comment 14582520 Britt in VA said:
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but genuinely excited to start the next chapter of Giants football.


+1
Eli is my favorite athlete of all time..  
Sean : 9/17/2019 10:45 am : link
We should have moved on after 2017 - he won the finale against WSH. Perfect way to cap his NYG career.
RE: Schumer is gone by thanksgiving. Calling it.  
Canton : 9/17/2019 10:45 am : link
In comment 14582600 GMAN4LIFE said:
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The elections are this November.

Well fuck me with a crowbar.
RE: RE: how fucking stupid was it  
giants#1 : 9/17/2019 10:45 am : link
In comment 14582537 Go Terps said:
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In comment 14582372 jintz4life said:


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to keep eli at his salary for this season



This needs to be the story. In a year this team has:

- Signed Beckham to a massive contact only to trade him
- Opted not to release Eli to save $17M in cap space so he could play two games

Gettleman should be fired fucking today, and Shurmur with him. Idiots.


Got a lot more in return (Lawrence/Peppers+) for OBJ by signing and trading him then they would've if they let him walk. Basically spent $16M in cap space to turn a 3rd round comp pick into much better assets.

I'd bet bringing Eli back with a short leash was a compromise between DG and Mara.

Doesn't matter anymore. DGs legacy will be defined by Jones and whether or not he's a legit starting QB.
Why does everyone keep mentioning the money thing  
ryanmkeane : 9/17/2019 10:47 am : link
with Eli. He was always going to leave after this season anyway. All our dead cap money is tied to this year, with a fresh start next year. The money really makes no difference.
RE: Any chance Mara is pushing this so Eli doesn’t end his career  
Tesla : 9/17/2019 10:47 am : link
In comment 14582668 Dave in PA said:
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With a losing record?


It's pretty clear that it was Shurmur pushing this....but I do think that part of the reason Mara relented was not wanting to see Eli retire with a losing record.

The ultimate irony is that it was McAdoo's decision to start Geno Smith that saved Eli from having a losing record!!!
RE: RE: Schumer is gone by thanksgiving. Calling it.  
GMAN4LIFE : 9/17/2019 10:48 am : link
In comment 14582680 Canton said:
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The elections are this November.

Well fuck me with a crowbar.



haha nah. I just think Jones will do fine but the defense will lose them games
Can we keep the stupid and ignorant  
EricJ : 9/17/2019 10:50 am : link
Comments to just one or two threads please?

Thank you
The Management
RE: Any chance Mara is pushing this so Eli doesn’t end his career  
Les in TO : 9/17/2019 10:50 am : link
In comment 14582668 Dave in PA said:
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With a losing record?
they were cognizant of the consecutive starting streak when Geno-gate happened so possible it factored into the timing.
RE: RE: RE: how fucking stupid was it  
ron mexico : 9/17/2019 10:52 am : link
In comment 14582681 giants#1 said:
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In comment 14582537 Go Terps said:


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In comment 14582372 jintz4life said:


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to keep eli at his salary for this season



This needs to be the story. In a year this team has:

- Signed Beckham to a massive contact only to trade him
- Opted not to release Eli to save $17M in cap space so he could play two games

Gettleman should be fired fucking today, and Shurmur with him. Idiots.



Got a lot more in return (Lawrence/Peppers+) for OBJ by signing and trading him then they would've if they let him walk. Basically spent $16M in cap space to turn a 3rd round comp pick into much better assets.

I'd bet bringing Eli back with a short leash was a compromise between DG and Mara.

Doesn't matter anymore. DGs legacy will be defined by Jones and whether or not he's a legit starting QB.


The thing thats valuable about draft picks are that they are free.

Once you start paying $16-21 mil for them they aren't so great.
Bittersweet for me  
PatersonPlank : 9/17/2019 10:55 am : link
Love Eli, arguably the greatest Giants QB of all time, but every QB has his time to go. He brought us 2 Super Bowls (and MVPS). I hope Jones can match Eli's success.

As an aside, I think they should talk to Eli about going someplace like Jax. They could use him
RE: Why does everyone keep mentioning the money thing  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 9/17/2019 10:55 am : link
In comment 14582687 ryanmkeane said:
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with Eli. He was always going to leave after this season anyway. All our dead cap money is tied to this year, with a fresh start next year. The money really makes no difference.

They had to commit to him before the draft. Before they could draft D Jones or know how ready he would be to play this year. I don't get the argument about money.
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Eman11 : 9/17/2019 10:55 am : link
In comment 14582657 arcarsenal said:
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Sucks for Eli... this org failed him miserably. And now he gets sent to the bench after playing in a game where his WR's were Cody Latimer, Benny Fowler and Cody Kore against the toughest secondary (or one of) in football with a defense that had zero answers for anything the Bills... yes, the fucking Bills... did.

I don't feel bad for his pockets.. he's made plenty of money and had a pretty successful run.

But from an organizational standpoint... they just did a horrendous job of understanding the type of player he was and putting the right elements in place for him to succeed.

But... such is life. Onto the next chapter.


Well said arc and you pretty much summed up my thoughts as well.
RE: RE: RE: RE: how fucking stupid was it  
giants#1 : 9/17/2019 10:57 am : link
In comment 14582727 ron mexico said:
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The thing thats valuable about draft picks are that they are free.

Once you start paying $16-21 mil for them they aren't so great.


They aren't free, they get you players under team control for 4-5 years of below market value. Peppers/Lawrence don't even need to be pro bowlers to be worth $20M (over 4 years) more than a 3rd round comp pick. Granted, Peppers does need to play better than Curtis Riley...
Biitersweet  
GIANTS128 : 9/17/2019 10:57 am : link
I was hoping for a better ending. However the reality is we are not winning and Eli is no longer the future. I feel bad for him but I think its the right thing for the franchise going forward.
It's now the pre-season HOF'ers time to start.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/17/2019 10:58 am : link
Let the anger reign.
RE: RE: Why does everyone keep mentioning the money thing  
giants#1 : 9/17/2019 10:58 am : link
In comment 14582746 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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In comment 14582687 ryanmkeane said:


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with Eli. He was always going to leave after this season anyway. All our dead cap money is tied to this year, with a fresh start next year. The money really makes no difference.


They had to commit to him before the draft. Before they could draft D Jones or know how ready he would be to play this year. I don't get the argument about money.


They could've cut Eli after the draft and still saved $11.5M, though that would've been a pretty dick thing to do to a guy like Eli.
After the statements yesterday  
jeff57 : 9/17/2019 10:59 am : link
You knew it was coming. Sooner rather than later.
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Rjanyg : 9/17/2019 10:59 am : link
In comment 14582748 Eman11 said:
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In comment 14582657 arcarsenal said:


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Sucks for Eli... this org failed him miserably. And now he gets sent to the bench after playing in a game where his WR's were Cody Latimer, Benny Fowler and Cody Kore against the toughest secondary (or one of) in football with a defense that had zero answers for anything the Bills... yes, the fucking Bills... did.

I don't feel bad for his pockets.. he's made plenty of money and had a pretty successful run.

But from an organizational standpoint... they just did a horrendous job of understanding the type of player he was and putting the right elements in place for him to succeed.

But... such is life. Onto the next chapter.



Well said arc and you pretty much summed up my thoughts as well.


Amen to this.
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