Interesting to see how patient fans will be with Jones. Patients is typically required with a rookie qb, especially on a team like this. This is very exciting anyhow.
but the play if Eli is at least as big a problem. Jones is a rookie, there will be growing pains - it took Eli 3-4 years. Hopefully Jones shows promise this season - if not, it can be addressed again next April with a new GM and Coach.
Interesting to see how patient fans will be with Jones. Patients is typically required with a rookie qb, especially on a team like this. This is very exciting anyhow.
What??? Didn't you watch him in preseason????
Shurmer just cashed in his 2020 insurance policy Â
They made the move this early. I’m all for it as the stats have shown there is zero benefit to redshirting rookies, he looked great in the preseason and Eli is now a bottom tier starter. But when they traded Odell, paid Eli for this season and Mara made his comments in the offseason I thought it would be only a late season move not just after two games.
Shurmur knows that Handley and McAdoo each lasted two seasons or less and another 5-11 performance with predominantly Eli would lead to a pink slip. So his chance of surviving is showing he can develop Jones and this team can succeed with the right leader
Eli is a nice guy, a mensch even and he worked hard. He delivered some of his best play when it mattered most. But it’s time
sure I agree with keeping a qb at 20M if you were expecting to make the switch this early in the season. And considering how bad this roster is, no one should have expected anything but an 0-2 start.
Interesting to see how patient fans will be with Jones. Patients is typically required with a rookie qb, especially on a team like this. This is very exciting anyhow.
What??? Didn't you watch him in preseason????
Greg, he was inducted into the preseason HOF following his heroic performance. He is joining the likes of Kent Graham (1999 preseason)
This needs to be the story. In a year this team has:
- Signed Beckham to a massive contact only to trade him
- Opted not to release Eli to save $17M in cap space so he could play two games
Gettleman should be fired fucking today, and Shurmur with him. Idiots.
Paying Eli was more in recognition of his former contributions than his potential going forward. We may not agree with that tactic, but I believe it is what motivated Mara & Company.
Regardless of the fact that this is overdue, it's a lousy way for a team legend to go out. It sucked when Simms was released in 1994 and this sucks today.
He's just not the guy anymore. Could probably do well enough as a caretaker type on a talented offense, but he simply can't make anyone better anymore.
"Eli and I spoke this morning," head coach Pat Shurmur said Tuesday, per the team's official website. "I told him that we are making a change and going with Daniel as the starter. I also talked to Daniel. Eli was obviously disappointed, as you would expect, but he said he would be what he has always been, a good teammate, and continue to prepare to help this team win games. Daniel understands the challenge at hand, and he will be ready to play on Sunday."
RE: Schumer is gone by thanksgiving. Calling it. Â
Sucks for Eli... this org failed him miserably. And now he gets sent to the bench after playing in a game where his WR's were Cody Latimer, Benny Fowler and Cody Kore against the toughest secondary (or one of) in football with a defense that had zero answers for anything the Bills... yes, the fucking Bills... did.
I don't feel bad for his pockets.. he's made plenty of money and had a pretty successful run.
But from an organizational standpoint... they just did a horrendous job of understanding the type of player he was and putting the right elements in place for him to succeed.
But... such is life. Onto the next chapter.
Any chance Mara is pushing this so Eli doesn’t end his career Â
This needs to be the story. In a year this team has:
- Signed Beckham to a massive contact only to trade him
- Opted not to release Eli to save $17M in cap space so he could play two games
Gettleman should be fired fucking today, and Shurmur with him. Idiots.
Got a lot more in return (Lawrence/Peppers+) for OBJ by signing and trading him then they would've if they let him walk. Basically spent $16M in cap space to turn a 3rd round comp pick into much better assets.
I'd bet bringing Eli back with a short leash was a compromise between DG and Mara.
Doesn't matter anymore. DGs legacy will be defined by Jones and whether or not he's a legit starting QB.
Why does everyone keep mentioning the money thing Â
with Eli. He was always going to leave after this season anyway. All our dead cap money is tied to this year, with a fresh start next year. The money really makes no difference.
RE: Any chance Mara is pushing this so Eli doesn’t end his career Â
It's pretty clear that it was Shurmur pushing this....but I do think that part of the reason Mara relented was not wanting to see Eli retire with a losing record.
The ultimate irony is that it was McAdoo's decision to start Geno Smith that saved Eli from having a losing record!!!
RE: RE: Schumer is gone by thanksgiving. Calling it. Â
This needs to be the story. In a year this team has:
- Signed Beckham to a massive contact only to trade him
- Opted not to release Eli to save $17M in cap space so he could play two games
Gettleman should be fired fucking today, and Shurmur with him. Idiots.
Got a lot more in return (Lawrence/Peppers+) for OBJ by signing and trading him then they would've if they let him walk. Basically spent $16M in cap space to turn a 3rd round comp pick into much better assets.
I'd bet bringing Eli back with a short leash was a compromise between DG and Mara.
Doesn't matter anymore. DGs legacy will be defined by Jones and whether or not he's a legit starting QB.
The thing thats valuable about draft picks are that they are free.
Once you start paying $16-21 mil for them they aren't so great.
Love Eli, arguably the greatest Giants QB of all time, but every QB has his time to go. He brought us 2 Super Bowls (and MVPS). I hope Jones can match Eli's success.
As an aside, I think they should talk to Eli about going someplace like Jax. They could use him
RE: Why does everyone keep mentioning the money thing Â
with Eli. He was always going to leave after this season anyway. All our dead cap money is tied to this year, with a fresh start next year. The money really makes no difference.
They had to commit to him before the draft. Before they could draft D Jones or know how ready he would be to play this year. I don't get the argument about money.
Sucks for Eli... this org failed him miserably. And now he gets sent to the bench after playing in a game where his WR's were Cody Latimer, Benny Fowler and Cody Kore against the toughest secondary (or one of) in football with a defense that had zero answers for anything the Bills... yes, the fucking Bills... did.
I don't feel bad for his pockets.. he's made plenty of money and had a pretty successful run.
But from an organizational standpoint... they just did a horrendous job of understanding the type of player he was and putting the right elements in place for him to succeed.
But... such is life. Onto the next chapter.
Well said arc and you pretty much summed up my thoughts as well.
The thing thats valuable about draft picks are that they are free.
Once you start paying $16-21 mil for them they aren't so great.
They aren't free, they get you players under team control for 4-5 years of below market value. Peppers/Lawrence don't even need to be pro bowlers to be worth $20M (over 4 years) more than a 3rd round comp pick. Granted, Peppers does need to play better than Curtis Riley...
I was hoping for a better ending. However the reality is we are not winning and Eli is no longer the future. I feel bad for him but I think its the right thing for the franchise going forward.
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with Eli. He was always going to leave after this season anyway. All our dead cap money is tied to this year, with a fresh start next year. The money really makes no difference.
They had to commit to him before the draft. Before they could draft D Jones or know how ready he would be to play this year. I don't get the argument about money.
They could've cut Eli after the draft and still saved $11.5M, though that would've been a pretty dick thing to do to a guy like Eli.
Sucks for Eli... this org failed him miserably. And now he gets sent to the bench after playing in a game where his WR's were Cody Latimer, Benny Fowler and Cody Kore against the toughest secondary (or one of) in football with a defense that had zero answers for anything the Bills... yes, the fucking Bills... did.
I don't feel bad for his pockets.. he's made plenty of money and had a pretty successful run.
But from an organizational standpoint... they just did a horrendous job of understanding the type of player he was and putting the right elements in place for him to succeed.
But... such is life. Onto the next chapter.
Well said arc and you pretty much summed up my thoughts as well.
This needs to be the story. In a year this team has:
- Signed Beckham to a massive contact only to trade him
- Opted not to release Eli to save $17M in cap space so he could play two games
Gettleman should be fired fucking today, and Shurmur with him. Idiots.
What??? Didn't you watch him in preseason????
Shurmur knows that Handley and McAdoo each lasted two seasons or less and another 5-11 performance with predominantly Eli would lead to a pink slip. So his chance of surviving is showing he can develop Jones and this team can succeed with the right leader
Eli is a nice guy, a mensch even and he worked hard. He delivered some of his best play when it mattered most. But it’s time
Yeah, pretty much the same. Bittersweet
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to keep eli at his salary for this season
This needs to be the story. In a year this team has:
- Signed Beckham to a massive contact only to trade him
- Opted not to release Eli to save $17M in cap space so he could play two games
Gettleman should be fired fucking today, and Shurmur with him. Idiots.
But culture and the KC model
He's a little more in the firing line now.
"This move is more about Daniel moving forward than about Eli.”
I think this is very true, well-said and spoken from the heart.
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Interesting to see how patient fans will be with Jones. Patients is typically required with a rookie qb, especially on a team like this. This is very exciting anyhow.
What??? Didn't you watch him in preseason????
Greg, he was inducted into the preseason HOF following his heroic performance. He is joining the likes of Kent Graham (1999 preseason)
But Jones is going to be a good one.
Kind of surprised they chose to do it this early. No turning back now.
Let's go Giants!
Not necessarily, he will be given some grace on losses, but it will matter in what session the team loses.
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to keep eli at his salary for this season
This needs to be the story. In a year this team has:
- Signed Beckham to a massive contact only to trade him
- Opted not to release Eli to save $17M in cap space so he could play two games
Gettleman should be fired fucking today, and Shurmur with him. Idiots.
Paying Eli was more in recognition of his former contributions than his potential going forward. We may not agree with that tactic, but I believe it is what motivated Mara & Company.
He's just not the guy anymore. Could probably do well enough as a caretaker type on a talented offense, but he simply can't make anyone better anymore.
Excited to see what the kid has.
It's way too early to say that IMO. These last 14 games are as much about evaluating Shurmur as they are getting Daniel Jones experience.
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Now he’s going nowhere after this season.
Not necessarily, he will be given some grace on losses, but it will matter in what session the team loses.
In what fashion the team loses
Is there some kind of special election happening in November?
Noted. But why? The kid has to win immediately?
I hope not. That would mean Jones looks like garbage.
I don't feel bad for his pockets.. he's made plenty of money and had a pretty successful run.
But from an organizational standpoint... they just did a horrendous job of understanding the type of player he was and putting the right elements in place for him to succeed.
But... such is life. Onto the next chapter.
I was just about to write this.
+1
The elections are this November.
Well fuck me with a crowbar.
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to keep eli at his salary for this season
This needs to be the story. In a year this team has:
- Signed Beckham to a massive contact only to trade him
- Opted not to release Eli to save $17M in cap space so he could play two games
Gettleman should be fired fucking today, and Shurmur with him. Idiots.
Got a lot more in return (Lawrence/Peppers+) for OBJ by signing and trading him then they would've if they let him walk. Basically spent $16M in cap space to turn a 3rd round comp pick into much better assets.
I'd bet bringing Eli back with a short leash was a compromise between DG and Mara.
Doesn't matter anymore. DGs legacy will be defined by Jones and whether or not he's a legit starting QB.
It's pretty clear that it was Shurmur pushing this....but I do think that part of the reason Mara relented was not wanting to see Eli retire with a losing record.
The ultimate irony is that it was McAdoo's decision to start Geno Smith that saved Eli from having a losing record!!!
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The elections are this November.
Well fuck me with a crowbar.
haha nah. I just think Jones will do fine but the defense will lose them games
Thank you
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to keep eli at his salary for this season
This needs to be the story. In a year this team has:
- Signed Beckham to a massive contact only to trade him
- Opted not to release Eli to save $17M in cap space so he could play two games
Gettleman should be fired fucking today, and Shurmur with him. Idiots.
Got a lot more in return (Lawrence/Peppers+) for OBJ by signing and trading him then they would've if they let him walk. Basically spent $16M in cap space to turn a 3rd round comp pick into much better assets.
I'd bet bringing Eli back with a short leash was a compromise between DG and Mara.
Doesn't matter anymore. DGs legacy will be defined by Jones and whether or not he's a legit starting QB.
The thing thats valuable about draft picks are that they are free.
Once you start paying $16-21 mil for them they aren't so great.
As an aside, I think they should talk to Eli about going someplace like Jax. They could use him
They had to commit to him before the draft. Before they could draft D Jones or know how ready he would be to play this year. I don't get the argument about money.
I don't feel bad for his pockets.. he's made plenty of money and had a pretty successful run.
But from an organizational standpoint... they just did a horrendous job of understanding the type of player he was and putting the right elements in place for him to succeed.
But... such is life. Onto the next chapter.
Well said arc and you pretty much summed up my thoughts as well.
The thing thats valuable about draft picks are that they are free.
Once you start paying $16-21 mil for them they aren't so great.
They aren't free, they get you players under team control for 4-5 years of below market value. Peppers/Lawrence don't even need to be pro bowlers to be worth $20M (over 4 years) more than a 3rd round comp pick. Granted, Peppers does need to play better than Curtis Riley...
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with Eli. He was always going to leave after this season anyway. All our dead cap money is tied to this year, with a fresh start next year. The money really makes no difference.
They had to commit to him before the draft. Before they could draft D Jones or know how ready he would be to play this year. I don't get the argument about money.
They could've cut Eli after the draft and still saved $11.5M, though that would've been a pretty dick thing to do to a guy like Eli.
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Sucks for Eli... this org failed him miserably. And now he gets sent to the bench after playing in a game where his WR's were Cody Latimer, Benny Fowler and Cody Kore against the toughest secondary (or one of) in football with a defense that had zero answers for anything the Bills... yes, the fucking Bills... did.
I don't feel bad for his pockets.. he's made plenty of money and had a pretty successful run.
But from an organizational standpoint... they just did a horrendous job of understanding the type of player he was and putting the right elements in place for him to succeed.
But... such is life. Onto the next chapter.
Well said arc and you pretty much summed up my thoughts as well.
Amen to this.